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[fatum679]

Aemond is so calm because he heard Helaena and recognized by her walk and turned around only when she stopped.

[helaenasaegon]

Remember how the narrative from certain shippers for the last 2 years has been that Aegon is a Bad Bad Abuser and Prince Charming Aemond has to save Poor Victimized Damsel Helaena? 🥺

Well, well, well... 😏

[uluthrek]

“i love helaena so much! helaemond/helaegon forever!” i am projectile vomiting into your face at a velocity so strong you are thrown backwards through a brick wall.

[darklinaforever]

So yes, Aemond is responsible for the loss of Helaena's child for which she suffers but...

I just don't understand how some people can ship Helaena and Aegon II ?

Yes, it's her husband, but from an arranged marriage.

Yes, he is the father of her children, but the product of marital rape.

Yes, she's his queen but... does she officially have any real importance for Aegon II in this sense ? No.

So what exactly are Helaegon fans raving about ? Simple titles ? Really ? Is that all you need ?

We don't even really see any chemistry between the actors since they barely share scenes together (and seeing the interviews I'm sure the actors could have great chemistry on screen if the writers were willing), and he never seems to respect her when he's in her company.

Is Helaegon real ? Purely on paper, yes. But in reality (so relationally and emotionally speaking) ? No.

I don't understand.

But well... then everyone has their own thing after all !

But the fact is that I still don't understand... 🤷‍♀️

In addition, Helaena's scene with Aemond is probably still simply a reminder of the concept of greed for the throne / coveting what is someone else's as she said in season 1, in addition to probably playing on the kind of relationship these two can have in HOTD. I really doubt Helaena asked Aemond if it was worth it because she really cares about Aegon II. Especially with what the actress herself said :

I'm not a big fan of Helaemond.

Anyway, I'm not a big fan of anything that diverges from the Fire and Blood canon in HOTD...

But between Helaegon and Helaemond ?!

Helaemond wins hands down !

[angrylittletrashpanda]

Why the heck people are cheering for Aemond and the Madam s*x scene(s)?

To start with, I don’t understand how did the fans arrive at the rock-solid certainty there will be such scenes in the show? As far as I know, nothing is confirmed (yet). AFAIK in one interview, Michelle Bonard (the Madam’s actress) said she “got a little naked” and some believe it means she filmed a sex scene. Given Michelle is playing a sex worker, I doubt she meant we’re going simply see her changing her dress or bathing, but does “getting a little naked” or filming a nude scene actually mean having a sex scene? In GoT, we saw a bunch of Littlefinger scenes, which took place in pleasure houses he owned. In the background, we could then easily spot his more or less underdressed “employees” . I think it’s entirely possible we *may* actually see a déshabillé Michelle in any tavern/brothel scene (for instance at one of Aegon’s wild parties). ATP we can’t even rule out she could be involved in the BnC subplot. Frankly, there is something quite appealing about two lowly born women, like the Madam and Mysaria, teaming up for the “Team Smallfolk’s” sake. Don’t get me wrong, I am not cheering about BnC, but I think the Madam could not be Aegon’s greatest fan and condemn his taste for watching children fighting in pits.

Moreover, even if in this case, “getting a little naked” means “filming a s*x scene” indeed, we can’t be 100% certain it was a love scene with Ewan/Aemond specifically. Come on, Michelle plays a literal sex worker, and not Aemond’s secret girlfriend.

I know there is a popular theory that the Madam is actually Mystery Lady on whose lap Aemond pillows his head on, since we can spot the same vein protrusion on Michelle’s hand and there’s a strand of dark hair around that woman’s neck. In my view, the vein protrusion doesn’t prove anything – we could easily find a very same one on almost every woman’s flexed hand, including HOTD actresses’. And as for the strands of hair – I initially failed to spot them, and now, I think they look quite like a chain Alicent used to wear in SE1. But enough about the Mystery Lady theories.

I just wanna say I fail to understand why so many “Aemond fans” seem to be really excited about the possible Aemond x the Madam s*x scene(s)? From season one, we learn Aemond was dragged to the brothel when he was 13. In 09x01, we see he’s really uncomfortable around that woman. Which indicates his experience in the pleasure house wasn’t an enjoyable one, to say the least. Why Aemond, who “has no taste for depravity” and doesn’t want to be like his pervy brother would seek comfort in the arms of a sex worker? It sounds rather ooc for him ,tbf. I get it that in SE 2, we’re probably gonna see Aemond at his lowest. We all know excessive drinking and debauchery are Aegon’s copying mechanisms, but wouldn’t it be more interesting if Aemond’s were different from his brother’s?

In my view, Aemond’s “relationship”w/the Madam doesn’t foreshadow his relationship with Alys, since the Witch of Harenhall never forced herself on him. The actresses don’t even look alike.

To my knowledge, a bunch of people are happy about the Aemond x the Madam thing, since they believe it would be helaemond erasure. But can’t Aemond’s feelings for Helaena  be brotherly (in the non-Targaryen way) even without him sleeping with sex workers? In addition, helaemond is widely disliked for its hypocrisy. This ship is deemed OOC, since the dutiful Aemond would never cuck the crown prince and neither would he dishonor his sister. Plus, he takes pride in being different than Aegon. In season 2, Aemond is already engaged. So, wouldn’t frequenting brothels mean Aemond dishonors his fiancée Floris the very same way Aegon dishonors his wife Helaena?

[ladymorghul]

Idk if the Helaemond leaks are real, but it’s been funny to see all the accounts who first posted about how badly they want Helaena to have a story and then about how much they think she’ll be killed off soon, now start posting how wrong it is for her to have scenes with Aemond, because she should have them with Aegon instead. I wish we had more Greens fam scenes overall, it’s clearly missed opportunity, but it is just funny to me how they can’t conceive of her having screentime or any role in the story outside of being Aegon’s wife. Tom and Phia were clear about this relationship and the lack of connection there 😭 how did this not occur to you earlier

but you see... if she's with aemond / if we want her to have scenes with aemond it means we want to see her as as "accessory" to aemond but they're all just fine when it's scenes with aegon / the possibility of scenes with aegon. and they cling to the idea that they're married as if that is a definitive thing that 100% dictates helaeg*n's relationship as well as helaena's relationship and feelings with anyone else. they also want her to hate aemond so badly.

it's just so funny and transparent. first there were some constantly bringing up how she'll die (a lot of them alysm*nds who wanted her out of the way) and then helaeg*ns started throwing a fit that she /might/ share scenes with aemond. it's relentless.

[horizon-verizon]

the helaena and aemond thing is pathetic, they are still swearing that this ship will happen, and that maelor will be their children even though they had it right in front of them that Aemond practically threatened Helaena with death(??)

jaehaera and aegon ship will become the new helaena and aemond both will never happen lol

🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

It can be aggravating, but I usually ignore these people. They will always stew in their own wrongness until they themselves don't feel their headcanon can be real anymore.

[helaelaemond]

Neuro-divergent queen > femme fatale witch GF.

Sorry Alys stans I said what I said. Stalest character trope ever.

OOPS TOO REAL

I really hope they go with the particular interpretation of Alys that she just did what she had to do to save her life and she manipulated him and played him and deliberately sent Aemond to his death 💚🖤

Meanwhile Helaena is the true love of his life, no matter how messed up and dysfunctional that may be. With her, he experiences true and pure love, and when he’s apart from her, he loses the best part of himself and descends into unbridled cruelty and malice 🐉🔥

[aniseya]

i’m teetering back and forth between how helaemond was dealt with in the finale.

on one hand, i hate that they made him go there and yank her around. it’s not what i consider the same domestic abuse as daemyra, but it’s a form of abuse that is expected when a man descending into madness from trauma, power, grief, and the hunger to be good enough. he tried to drag her in a fit of rage and then the next time she threatened him with accusations and told him of his death, he couldn’t even bring himself to show the same rage.

i never expected helaemond to be healthy, because incest is NEVER healthy. but i feel like with the way they’ve been treating aemond this season to seem like the true villain of team green, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. like i love toxic pairings, but this just isn’t something natural for aemond to do, so it feels disappointing. it’s just there to reinforce that aemond is now the big bad and everyone else on team green aren’t as bad compared to him now. helaena is by the general audience’s opinion the purest character, so to have aemond hurt her feels like a way to hammer that home to the audience. not organic at all, not something in his character, just there.

which is why i’m thankful ewan played into helaemond in that moment on the balcony. aemond seems to regret what he did and the only time he’s shown properly crying is when he’s begging her to come with him. trying to appeal to the fact that they are same blood, that they understand each other when others might not. it’s acted and written like a proposal to fuck off to the ends of the earth together, phantom of the opera, anakin and padme, and gothic romance and all. and even when helaena refuses he still is crying, giving paper thin threats that he doesn’t mean, but just because he’s hurt by her rejection.

istg that balcony scene was perfect imo, in the sense that if it was just written a little bit better and didn’t have the looming connotation that aemond is mr villainous prototype used to make everyone who loved aemond from s1 feel humiliated for loving him and poke fun at helaemonds for enjoying their pairing. and now aegon is being propped up for god knows what, whitewashed in the sense that he’s given more development than aemond, helaena, and more characters above all. like nothing is coming from this, i don’t expect the writers to touch upon helaemond and that scene going forward whatsoever. it all felt like a way to get aemond stans to finally turn against him and to make helaemonds feel bad for enjoying the pairing to the point of making it popular. i’d say helaemond deserved better, but truly the entirety of the characters and the show itself deserved better.

so in the end, i may ship helaemond out of spite for what feels like a slap, simply because ewan delivered so hard for it. and i might not, because my efforts feel just so dull and fruitless that idk if i have the will to carry this energy and love for something that went so so wrong. it feels like got s8 where i needed time to recuperate and process everything before deciding what i wanted to take from it as a fan.

[bl00dlight]

Hotd stans: HBO, can we get Helaemond?

HBO: We have Helaemond at home.

The "helaemond" at home:

[witchqueenvisenya]

i desperately need all the helaemond fuckers and rhaenyra stans to learn how to use a fucking tag and get out of #daenerys targaryen

[fatum679]

Aemond's room next to Helaena's room and next children's room

I see Aemond coming to Helaena and spending time with her and the twins.

Aemond should come to her after b&c

I'm waiting for Aemond's reflection that he should have been there for Helaena and protected her and the kids.

[helaenasaegon]

The funny thing is: The worst Aegon II haters aren't Team Blacks, they're Team Greens. Usually Aemond stans.

TBs who hate Aegon hate him, but they're usually (usually) normal about it. TG Aegon haters? They're literally out here writing fanfics about him raping his wife (so Aemond can save her, uwu 🥺), his daughter, his mother, his sons (probably), his brothers, and his nephews. They're disturbingly feral about it, it's like crack to them.

[atopcat]

I really liked your post about Rhaenicent. What do you think of Olivia’s recent interviews in regards to Alicent’s character, she seems to be really pushing for Rhaenicent despite everything.

Just to start I want to make it clear that this isn’t an attack against Olivia Cooke, she’s a brilliant actress who is entitled to her opinions. As a fan however I don’t like her interpretation of Alicent simply because she’s made it abundantly clear she’s more invested in Rhaenicent than Alicent herself.

Olivia could’ve done a Lena Headey and unapologetically supported her character despite not being popular with the general audience, who cares if people think she’s a bitch, she’s your bitch and that’s all that matters. Instead she sought out the one part of the fanbase who supposedly like Alicent but also has a large universal following: Rhaenicent.

Here’s where it gets tricky, when it comes to ships such as Rhaewin, Jacegan, Laenyra, Daemyra, Jace/Baela, Alicole, Aemond/Alys, Helaemond etc. it’s pretty straightforward: you’re a fan of both characters, maybe one more than the other but you do genuinely like both. Rhaenicent doesn’t have this, it’s a lot more complicated mainly because it’s the only one that doesn’t exist in book canon.

The Rhaenicent fan base is split into three unequally distributed categories:

>1% who are genuine fans of both Rhaenyra and Alicent, emphasis on the genuine because although some claim to be they end up in either of the latter two. The problem with these fans is that they’ve succumbed to the trap of “benevolent misogyny”, reducing both women to being nothing more than 24/7 victims of evil men. They rob Alicent of her ambition, Rhaenyra of her agency, they think these women will abandon everything and run off on dragon back because they’re still silly teenage girls who only care about cake and clothes.

14% are Alicent stans, the majority of them don’t actually like Rhaenyra she’s simply a self insert because there is no one else you can ship her with other than Criston but Alicole is nowhere near as popular because it doesn’t include a fan favourite. In Rhaenicent’s case the fan favourite is Rhaenyra not Alicent.

85% are all Team Rhaenyra, the only version of Alicent they’re interested in is one who is nothing more than a personal cheerleader for the Black Queen. They don’t want to hear about how Rhaenyra’s actions negatively affected Alicent, only how Alicent still cares about her and will do anything for her despite everything.

Both Olivia and Emily Carey faced a lot of harassment on social media, someone even came up to Olivia in real life and called Alicent a c*nt to her face. I know when you’re in a fandom bubble it’s easy to think Alicent and Team Green are just as popular as Rhaenyra and Team Black but that’s far from the truth. So although the vast majority of Rhaenicents are first and foremost Rhaenyra stans, they’re also the ones most welcoming to the actresses who are having a hard time because of stupid trolls who can’t differentiate between a character and the actor playing them.

Then it makes sense why Olivia will jump on board the Rhaenicent train, but it comes at the expense of her character. I’ve read some of her recent interviews, she’s throwing not just Alicent under the bus but also the entirety of Team Green just to maintain the illusion that Alicent’s no.1 priority will always be Rhaenyra Targaryen.

“Alicent is scared of Criston”, he’s her right hand man, the only one who has her back, he’s loyal to a fault and President of the Alicent Fan Club. But he’s also disliked by Team Black for this very reason, he’s openly antagonistic to Rhaenyra calling her a “spoiled c*nt” so Olivia wants to distance herself from Alicent’s most ardent supporter.

“she’s watching him [Aemond] grow up into an absolute killer, which is terrifying for her”, if Criston is President of the Team Alicent club then Aemond is Vice President. You see throughout Season 1 how close she is to her second son, how she relies on him for support, how he truly loves and respects her. He said he wants Luke’s eye as a gift for his mother, from Alicent’s four children she is definitely closest to Aemond but he’s also the one who killed Nyra’s precious baby so fans don’t like him. Again, Olivia is detaching Alicent from her own children so she can appeal to Rhaenicents who mourned their sweet boy Luke.

“That’s what the whole series has been about: trying to get back to each other” this coupled with her saying she pushed for a Rhaenicent reunion at the end of S2 really emphasises just how willing she is to destroy everything about Alicent’s character in order to warp her into the sanitised version of a Rhaenicent wet dream.

Alicent doesn’t care her grandson was slaughtered right in front of her.

Alicent doesn’t care her 6 year old granddaughter was threatened with r*pe.

Alicent doesn’t care her daughter went insane.

Alicent doesn’t care Team Black almost killed her sons in battle.

Olivia’s version of Alicent doesn’t care about anything that doesn’t revolve around worshiping the ground Rhaenyra walks on. So as far as she’s concerned there is “still hope” because her ideal ending is one where Alicent abandons her family, agency and ambition just so she can be Rhaenyra’s personal cheerleader for the rest of her life. The Alicent she’s envisioning is one who will set her own children on fire just to keep Nyra warm.

[darklinaforever]

Why do u think of the theory that Aemond actually cares for Helena and the kids are his? I actually wouldn’t mind it because he might be more tolerable. Helena is the only likable green at all. Like it would add some humanity to him that wouldn’t be annoying or bad writing. Maybe… and the irony that he killed Luc and we don’t know if the Blacks would know the son is Aeomond’s… Team Black ONLY: thoughts??

Frankly, for the book, this theory is clearly a throwaway.

But it could be possible in the show given how these writers do anything, and the fact that technically it could clearly work with what was briefly shown in season 1.

Already there is the fact that it was Helaena specifically who prophesied that Aemond would lose an eye. We are introduced that she is a dreamer through Aemond.

Also Aemond did not seem at all against the idea of ​​marrying Helaena and did not seem to like how Aegon II spoke of her.

Generally speaking, Helaena is always placed next to Aemond.

Without forgetting the moment where Jace invites Helaena to dance which seems to annoy him, even if this is also the case for Aegon II and it is probably due to a simple rivalry between Aemond and the Velaryon boys, but compiled by the rest that may raise questions.

There are also these weird scenes in episode 9 where Helaena catches Aemond's look when he enters the room.

And then she always seems close to him during the coronation of Aegon II, still leaning towards Aemond.

Plus the fact that she seems to caress / touch his arm when Rhaenys attacks.

It could clearly make it into the show.

I am both for and against. Already I am against because of the book. More whitewashing for Aemond in the show...

But on the other hand, I could agree that already, at least Helaena could have had a little respite by having her children with someone 'one she likes.

And then also, the Green stans could no longer open up about the fact that the Velaryons boys are illegitimate children or about the fact that there is no incest in their team (at least consented and therefore abominable according to their term, even if Aegon II has already made sexual advances towards Baela who is his family, so still incest, but hey, apparently Aegon II is against incest ! 😂).

Honestly, I think if that happened it would just make me laugh.

And I would love to see Alicent's reaction to this, she who harassed Rhaenyra for years for not having her children with Laenor when her own daughter would have done the same.

That would be delicious.

Although I know some green stans would love to see Helaena & Aemond perform. Again, not really consistent with most of their initial comments but hey ! It's not like we should look for logic in the Green stans after all, or even in the basic HOTD show...

In any case, I will always choose Helaemond if they want to do something "romantic" with the character of Aemond, to avoid dealing with the romanticization of Alysmond... Definitely a woman that Aemond raped, since he took her as a prize of war, and it disgusts me to see this being romanticized.

But anyway, in the sole context of HOTD with what season 1 gave us, yes, Aemond being the father of Helaena's children could totally pass if that's what the writers want to do.

But honestly, Helaemond shp is just a pale copy of the Aemon & Naerys relationship in my eyes.

[angrylittletrashpanda]

what's wrong with helaemond?

As far as I know , helaemond isn't the first out of canon ship fans have ever come up with and it surely won't be the last. You may say helaemond stans are hella annoying cos they want to "their" ship confirmed as show canon, but I think fans of any other, more or less ooc ship , vaguely possible to become canon of any other show based on book series or not, would wish it confirmed. Also, it isn't out of usual for readers of not yet finished book series to ship their favorite character and enthuse about the slightest possibility of them , getting romantically involved, even if the only thing the said characters have in common is that they exist in the same universe and never shared a single line of dialogue (but fans of the ship claim they would make a fine couple because of *reasons*).

As far as helaemond is concerned, I think numerous watchers of hotd simply like the character of Helaena Targaryen and either wish to see more of her (love affair w/Aemond would automatically mean more screen time for Helaena), or, given her marriage to Aegon is portrayed as an abusive, unhappy one, want Helaena to be given some (semblance of)reproductive and sexual freedom. It just so happenes that Aemond appears to have some respect for his sister, and, since Targaryen incest is now integral part of HOTD lore, so some fans came up with the idea of shipping Helaena with Aemond. They're surely not the very first people who find the forbidden love trope enjoyable, I guess 🤡

I personally like this ship, although it seems to me it's not going to be confirmed in the show. In my view, sometimes helaemonds are a bit overly optimistic about the queen's affair with her brother becoming canon. But if that people and their ship piss you off that much, why won't you block all helaemond tags instead of bullying people whose only fault is enjoying a stupid fictional ship they'll probably forget about sooner or later?