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[petitprincess1]

HEAVY SPOILERS!!!!

VOX AND ALASTOR DUET! "Stayed Gone"

[suni-buni]

This place reeks of death, there's a chill in the air And I barely escaped being killed by a hair "Great Alastor Altruist died for his friends" Sorry to disappoint, that is not where this ends I'm hungry for freedom like never before The constraints of my deal surely have a back door Once I figure out how to unclip my wings Guess who will be pulling all the strings!

[drama-glob]

You bet your ass he deserves to be in Heaven!!! ^_^<3<3<3 Take that everyone who ever doubted him or said he was nothing/a failure! He looks great as an angel and he's still so adorable!!! ^_^<3<3<3

*I think we were all like Emily here if not even more elated. ^_^<3<3<3 Sera's face just screams horror and regret. ;)

[rainyday-deer]

He's not impressed but he IS surprised he managed to do something useful for once

[waggledoogledoggle]

⚠️Spoilers for Hazbin ep 4⚠️

⚠️Also, this post will talk about Abuse and SA, it is briefly mentioned a few times throughout the rest of this… whole long thingy I wrote⚠️

⚠️Also, brief mention of the scene where someone tried to drug Angel⚠️

Ok, I am just genuinely baffled at the people who somehow find a way to hate on 'Loser, Baby'.

Like, if you don't like Huskerdust that's fine... but 'Loser, Baby' is not overshadowing/brushing off Angel's SA. It's not victim blaming. And it's not Husk telling Angel to just shut up and get over it.

Like I've seen it so much, and you know what? Fuck it. Welcome to my TedTalk on why it's not all of those things.

For starters: Husk doesn't know about Angel's SA

When Angel has his vulnerable outburst (Side note, props to Blake I mean, they said 'take 5' he heard 'change lives') he talks about how he feels like he has to act the way he does to keep Valentino happy because he stupidly sold his soul to him. That he wants to get drugged up because that’s his escape. That he wants to be broken because maybe, just maybe Val will let him go. He wants to be free, but he can't and he has no one to blame but himself.

"What's the worst part of this hell, I can only blame myself" is literally the pre chorus to his song (Poison), and that is what he shares with Husk.

Not once does he bring up his abuse or SA. If he did, do you think a song would have even happened? Look how Husk reacted when someone tried to drug Angel's drink! Now that Husk actually genuinely cares about him? Dead. Dead. Valentino would be dead.

We as the audience know more than the other characters. We were given the insight of Angel's true trauma.l that he deals with on the daily. You can't get upset at a character for not knowing something they would have no way of knowing unless it was shared with them.

Moving onto the song itself, it's a song of empathy.

Allow me to explain.

Husk pinpoints perfectly what Angel is feeling in this moment:

"So things look bad, and your back's against the wall Your whole existence seems fuckin' hopeless You're feelin' filthy as a dive bar bathroom stall Can't face the world sober and dopeless You've lost your way, you think your life is wrecked"

When Husk starts singing, you can tell that Angel is expecting Husk to pull the whole "But that's not true! It's not hopeless! You're life's not wrecked!" and is very surprised when Husk doesn't.

Instead, Husks says "Yeah. You're right." And this is when a lot of the haters get angry- but hold on a second.

When someone is feeling all of those things, saying things like "That's not true! You'll be ok!" aren't helpful at all. That's brushing it off. Even if it may be true, that doesn't help anyone when they're feeling like hopeless, lost, losers.

Because that's sympathy, not empathy. Sympathy is feeling for someone, and trying to make them feel better. Empathy, is not trying to make them feel any certain way- better or worse- empathy is simply feeling with someone. And that's what Husk does.

During the first chorus, Husk is clearly teasing Angel a bit while doing so, but not without good reason. It's keeping Angel from closing back up again, he's being a little bit silly with him and teasing him. I mean, did you see the silly lil walk he did crossing in front of Angel? And Angel is super confused because he's like "how tf is this supposed to make me feel better??"

That's the thing. It's not. That's sympathy's job, not empathy's. Empathy just want's you to feel felt with, it doesn't want to tell you how to feel. And adding that bit of silliness gives Angel's vulnerability a chance to breathe and it prevents Angel from closing in on himself.

The next verse, pre-chorus, and chorus is when the empathy though really kicks in.

The next verse, is the first part of empathy: Sharing about a similar experience you went through.

In this verse, now that Angel is listening not just hearing, Husk shares that he has been gruesomely damaged. Calling back to what he shared literally seconds before the song. That he knows what it's like to sign away your soul, and constantly look back at it with huge amounts of regret. That knowing that moment is what turned him into the mess he is today, and that he has no one to blame but himself. Just like Angel.

Then in the pre-chorus where there's the whole:

"I sold my soul to a psychopathic freak Haha! And you think that makes you unique? Get outta here, man!"

That isn't Husk telling Angel to get over himself and this isn’t him undermining what Angel’s been through. That's him saying 'I did too, you're not alone’

And then the very simple word change from "you're" to "we're" in the chorus is SO FREAKING HUGE. Because Husk is essentially saying "You feel like a total loser right now. Ok. Then if what happened to you/what you went through makes you a loser, then I'm a loser too. Let's be loser's together." Instead of trying to make Angel stop feeling like he's a hopeless loser, he decides that he is too.

He meets Angel where he is.

Aka: ✨empathy✨

Angel finally feels seen, understood, felt with. All the goals of empathy. He no longer feels alone in what he is struggling with, which is HUGE! Especially for people going through/dealing with SA and abuse.

The bridge of the song, is also extremely important, because this is where they acknowledge the differences in what they're going through. Their root problem is the same, but how it messed up their lives and created the problems they deal with now are completely different

And that's around when the song begins to shift from just Husk showing empathy and comforting Angel, to them both finding comfort in each other.

Which you can clearly see by the chorus under the umbrella, where it's not just one of them singing the chorus, but it's both of them. Because they have found a place to go to and confide in, a place of comfort, with each other.

Like, I am genuinely concerned that people find this song toxic like... have- have you never experienced empathy before? Are you ok?

So yeah, to wrap this up, if you don’t like ‘Loser, Baby’ just because you don’t like the song in general? That’s fine (odd, but fine)

But if you hate it because it “undermines Angel’s experience and what he goes through” I…

words.

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk

[420technoblazeit]

oh ok so angel is DOWN BAD for husk huh. i mean i knew it before but the way he's looking at him??? holy shit

[phddyke]

[peachhoneii]

Just hit me that Charlie’s eyeliner is shaped as a butterfly. Each eye is a butterfly wing.

Vaggie is a moth demon.

Charlie has eyes only for Vaggie.

That is adorable.

[demigoddessqueens]

Lilith???!! What’s going on???

Also, Emily and Sera’s reaction to Pentious was priceless 😂😂🤣

It does work!!!

[purplerose244]

I just realized that, after what happened in the pilot, Charlie could have totally thought it wasn't a good idea bringing Angel on the table again as a proof of what she's doing. Like, Pentious hasn't been there for long but he could have been less risky of an example considering this is Heaven

And it hit me how much Charlie wholeheartly trusts Angel, she never wavered even after that past mess and she is RIGHT. She saw something in him and she showed it and it is beautiful

People thinks she is delusional. I think she sees the world for what it is AND what it can be. Especially in light of... recent discoveries...

[petitprincess1]

HEAVY SPOILERS: SCROLL PAST FAST!

Can I just say that I adore the dynamic between Valentino and Vox than in the instas? It's super good and Vox's voice is perfect. Still getting used to Val's

[professoruber]

Alastor and Rosie's motives

Spoilers for Hazbin Hotel Season 1 Episode 7

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So there's a small moment during Hell Rosie, specially during the song, "Ready for this", which I don't think I've seen discussed much yet and thought was worth noting.

While Charlie's off leading the parade of cannibals, Alastor and Rosie are shown hanging back to sing/chat together about her. And I feel their words are... worth noting.

Rosie and Alastor: She's bound to pass the test as Princess of Hell. Like her Daddy, she is madly power-fell!

Alastor: She's filled with potential that I could guide

Rosie: I concur

Rosie and Alastor: Stick with her, you'll be on the winning side

While its an overall very triumph song, I can't help but feel this section's a tad more worrying/sinister. They make a point to gush about how powerful Charlie is as the daughter of Lucifer, and Alastor straight up talks about how he wants to guide her potential.

Considering Alastor's growing influence, such as convincing Charlie to make a deal, this is worrying I think.

I feel this section is kinda a reminder that even if Alastor and Rosie are helpful to Charlie at the moment... they're still Overlords of Hell. They're most likely not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

While Rosie was very nice and even helped Charlie sort her feelings out about Vaggie, this section shows her as also seemingly being drawn by Charlie's power and potential and straight up agreeing with Alastor's intentions to "guide" it.

And even if the main stated motive of the cannibals joining Charlie is to eat angels; I do feel there's likely more to Rosie's motives than just that.

I doubt Rosie became an Overlord by recklessly sending out her cannibals to seek dangerous feasts for no gain. Even if the cannibals managed to eat some angels, they likely suffered losses as well.

But like Alastor and Rosie say; "Stick with her, you'll be on the winning side."

They consider Charlie to be a horse worth backing, powerful like Lucifer but younger and more naive, and more open to their support and guidance.

I guess my point is. Rosie may seem nice but she's still a cannibal overlord who's friends with a sadistic serial killer. While I do think Carmilla may have been convinced to help for generally altruistic motives; Alastor and Rosie both seem like they're making an investment to get their foot further and further in the door with the Princess of Hell.

[drama-glob]

This interaction is too perfect. XD XD XD Plus, the fact that Alastor cursed shows how pissed he really is. ;)

*I love that Lucifer seemed supportive of the name until he learned Alastor came up with it. XD XD XD

[rainyday-deer]

OH GEE OH GOSH OH GOLLY!!!

[vorny8]

Hi

[radicheart]

Best screencap, everyone else go home