#hazbin hotel episode 7

[faeyuh]

ROSIE APPRECIATION POST BECAUSE SHES MY FAVORITE CANNIBAL AND I WANT HER TO BE MY CARETAKER

also look at how genuinely happy alastor looks in this frame. will never get over them <33

[planetkram]

The way alastor just gives a thumb up is killing me

He really said “good job old sport”

[antontakercgg]

"Susan?" "Susan." ! it was hilarious XD HAHA They faces ! why but that short exchange cracked me up? I love those two. One of the funniest moments for Charlie !!!

[nerdypuddincup]

 I've only had Rosie for a day and a half, but if anything happened to her, I would kill everyone in this room and then myself.

[turtleofthehollow]

Not only do I love the fact that Rosie called Alastor an “Ace in the hole” but that Al doesn’t even know what the term means

[tellerficraz]

Mmm?!

We sure are eating well vivzie, thanks

[mcnotok]

The besties ever

[funnelcakesandinfinitesuffering]

So episode 7 was great.

[nattkorpen]

🥀Mommy🫀

[correlance]

I've been seeing some confusion over the canonical ages for Charlie and Alastor since Episode 7, especially since Rosie says "Alastor, [Charlie] is much too young for you". Actually, Charlie is chronologically older than every other character at the hotel in age.

Charlie was born sometime in the 1820s or 1830s, so she's actually far older than Alastor (~200 years old), chronologically speaking.

However, because Charlie is Hellborn, and Alastor is a sinner, I think Charlie took a lot longer to grow and mature as a half-angel, half-human* than a normal human would. Meanwhile, Alastor was born sometime in the early 1900s, died in the 1930s in his 30s, and assuming Hazbin Hotel takes place in the 2020s, he's been in Hell for 90 years + 30 years of human life, making him around 120 years old.

That makes Charlie around 80 years older than Alastor is, even though she may be a bit less physically and emotionally mature than him.

*We know Charlie is half-angel, half-human as she has red blood.

[nottapossum]

Look at him!

Guys guys guys!

Loook!!

This one is my new favorite picture of Alastor:

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Look at his face! :3

Awww!!!

He's so cute! I cant!

[shinyrockalaska]

Carmila Carmine can hit me it's ok I'll allow her <3

[planetkram]

I rewatched the sneak peek for episode 7 since it is coming out tomorrow and it only confirmed that Alastor is a goofy goober more.

FIRST HE DOES A POSE WHILE BEING TOLD ABOUT CHARLIES EMOTIONAL DAMAGE AND THEN JUST STARTS COCKY SINGING!

[jubileemon]

In most forms of media, the whole "my girlfriend/boyfriend has been keeping a secret and I'm angry" situation has the angered lover making "I don't think we should be together" or "we should break up if I can't trust you" statements.

Vaggie didn't even attempt to justify her secrecy to Charlie. In most situations like this in media, when a character would keep a big secret from their significant other, the secret keeper attempts to rationalize their deceit. However, Vaggie doesn't do that, or she might've done when they came home, but we didn't see it anyway. Either way, Vaggie understands the pain she caused Charlie and doesn't attempt to make an excuse for herself.

In this case, Charlie's expressing a very justified hurt that Vaggie couldn't trust her when Charlie knows that she has proven herself to be incredibly understanding and open as a partner, but at no point does she say that she's lost trust in Vaggie. And while Charlie gave Vaggie a cold stare earlier, she never made a comment about planning or wanting to break up with her. Even when she felt lied to, Charlie never thought of ending her romance with Vaggie. She still sends Vaggie to get them help from Carmilla, showing that in spite of everything, Vaggie will always be someone that Charlie trusts.

[foiledbyvoile]

HEAD EMPTY, ONLY SILLY DEMENTED DEER MAN.

The last two episodes really got me over here pondering and shit. Didn't think my 2019 Alastor phase would make a comeback, but here we fuckin' are. Seriously though, what is his deal? I love that you can't quite make sense of him, but also I NEED to make sense of him.

SPOILERS AHOY.

Clearly he's somewhat emotionally invested in all this, that little (cute as fuck) scene with nifty the night before the battle showed us a sentimental softness in him, but he's also definitely cozying up to Charlie to use her powers for something big.

Something like breaking a deal he'd made, and I've got money on Lilith. That bad bitch seaside moment was too iconic, she's pulling strings and catching rays, living her best life.

But I need DETAILS, man. I wanna know what the stipulations of the contract are, I wanna know why it was made, what was gained and what was lost, if this deal gave him the power he wields in the first place. What does Alastor need to do to fulfill his end of the deal? I want the nitty gritty of it, man.

Speaking of deals, Alastor and Charlie??? I know we're probably meant to sweep it under the rug, Alastor says not to worry about it, it's not for Charlie's soul, the whole scene was just brushed aside...but what about the desperation he fucking reeked of?? He was beyond eager to make that deal.

Alastor held onto that information for months, waited for the perfect moment, when Charlie was backed into a corner and desperate, and he used that groundbreaking leverage for a favor. That could be anything! Like breaking a deal only someone with her power could, or, since he clearly likes playing the long game, it could be something far less definitive, easier for Charlie to get behind. Something like helping him make his next move.

(Then the next, and the next, and the manipulation continues--ideally, I'm sure. Narrative folly and character development will almost definitely nip that evil scheme in the bud.)

You gotta love that classic Alastor guile when he tells her it's not for her soul. What it really is is a foot in the door for him, and a show of good faith for Charlie. It's a chess move, and if Alastor is as conniving and methodical as I hope he is, it's the equivalence of moving a pawn.

But then he backs up that dubious display of altruism by introducing Charlie to Rosie and the cannibals. Would Alastor really implicate a close friend and her community for something he wasn't truly invested in? That's a genuine question at this point. It's pretty much confirmed in the song that Alastor is choosing to help Charlie, that he sees the potential in her, but again, for his own benefit.

Which brings us to the radio tower, post fight. The vibes I picked up were immaculate. He's incredulous, desperate, shaken and very clearly trapped in circumstances that drive him absolutely insane.

Alastor's all about control. I think back on his spiel to Charlie about maintaining that control with a smile, but even now, when Alastor is cracking under the realization that he doesn't have that, he continues to smile.

I'm really under the impression that Alastor literally cannot stop smiling. (I'm not counting the single-frame-debacle.) It's either that, or he's forcing himself to smile, desperately vying for some semblance of control in a moment where he well and truly has none.

Then there's the line, "Great Alastor Altruist died for his friends". It feels sardonic. Bitter, like he regrets putting himself in that position, but was it really a choice to begin with? Because he let himself get too involved, too comfortable, and realized that that sentimentality he'd developed has become a weakness?

I think he really was forced to protect Charlie and the hotel (it would explain the seven year coincidence, and Alastor appearing at Charlie's doorstep so serendipitously). This is almost cemented by the following line, "I'm hungry for freedom like never before, the constraints of my deal, surely you have a back door."

He almost died (again), for the sake of Charlie and her hotel. That's a helluva fucking thing for a being who's toppled overlords and held power like he has. No amount of entertainment is worth his own life, there's just no way he willingly pits himself against Adam for anyone's sake.

Assuming that the source of his power is also the source of his subjugation, and considering how Alastor openly strives for control--yeah, he's having a bit of a moment™.  

I do hope that there's some genuine conflict in him in regards to his relationship with Charlie and the gang. That everything he's doing isn't inherently selfish anymore, but he veils that 'weakness' under his perpetual guise of deviant mirth. Bonus points if he's tormented by the good Charlie brings out in him. He deserves the angst, the fuzzy-fucker (/affectionate).

Couple of side notes here:

Thoughts on the way Alastor's mouth is sewn up when he strikes the deal with Charlie? Was he made to smile all the time, is it just a design choice? Personally, I'm hoping there's some angsty lore there, like maybe it's part of his contract as some twisted joke, idk.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Alastor vs Adam smackdown extravaganza. Yes, it was rad as fuck. Yes, of course Alastor was going to lose. But the way it was handled felt like a bit of a disservice, Alastor's reaction felt ooc. But then again that could just be me projecting my perspective of Alastor unto the character.

ALSO, having a character who is well known for not swearing dropping some casual, outta pocket f-bombs was a bit trite. it's supposed to feel like a reward, y'know?

ANWAYS. Yeah. Good shit. I'm losing my goddamn mind.

[professoruber]

Alastor and Rosie's motives

Spoilers for Hazbin Hotel Season 1 Episode 7

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So there's a small moment during Hell Rosie, specially during the song, "Ready for this", which I don't think I've seen discussed much yet and thought was worth noting.

While Charlie's off leading the parade of cannibals, Alastor and Rosie are shown hanging back to sing/chat together about her. And I feel their words are... worth noting.

Rosie and Alastor: She's bound to pass the test as Princess of Hell. Like her Daddy, she is madly power-fell!

Alastor: She's filled with potential that I could guide

Rosie: I concur

Rosie and Alastor: Stick with her, you'll be on the winning side

While its an overall very triumph song, I can't help but feel this section's a tad more worrying/sinister. They make a point to gush about how powerful Charlie is as the daughter of Lucifer, and Alastor straight up talks about how he wants to guide her potential.

Considering Alastor's growing influence, such as convincing Charlie to make a deal, this is worrying I think.

I feel this section is kinda a reminder that even if Alastor and Rosie are helpful to Charlie at the moment... they're still Overlords of Hell. They're most likely not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

While Rosie was very nice and even helped Charlie sort her feelings out about Vaggie, this section shows her as also seemingly being drawn by Charlie's power and potential and straight up agreeing with Alastor's intentions to "guide" it.

And even if the main stated motive of the cannibals joining Charlie is to eat angels; I do feel there's likely more to Rosie's motives than just that.

I doubt Rosie became an Overlord by recklessly sending out her cannibals to seek dangerous feasts for no gain. Even if the cannibals managed to eat some angels, they likely suffered losses as well.

But like Alastor and Rosie say; "Stick with her, you'll be on the winning side."

They consider Charlie to be a horse worth backing, powerful like Lucifer but younger and more naive, and more open to their support and guidance.

I guess my point is. Rosie may seem nice but she's still a cannibal overlord who's friends with a sadistic serial killer. While I do think Carmilla may have been convinced to help for generally altruistic motives; Alastor and Rosie both seem like they're making an investment to get their foot further and further in the door with the Princess of Hell.