#jefferson the bastard

[icarusbetide]

favorite au: medieval-esque world because then we'd get to see all of these #enlightenment #democracy #slay #for the people ✊ amrev figures scream "THE RIGHTFUL KING" and "BASTARD USURPER" with their whole chest.

was this brought on by the new house of the dragon trailers? no....

[weirdhappycigarette]

Miles: *wins a fight and gives him a hug*

Officer Morales: "okay i guess you didn't kill my brother we cool now"

Gwen: *is literally his daughter*

Officer Stacy: "imma read you your mirandas"

[dustzvacuumcleaner]

[fox-from-fairytale]

Sooooo... I finished episode 4 of Life is Strange and... we can kill Nathan? Right? Right??

[sanguisvenosus]

The relationship between Eliza and Hamilton was never perfect and we all know it. But- The fact that Hamilton didn't said anything about "his love for Eliza" (At least not in the moments when he gets to be a narrator and we can hear his thoughts) is a bit sad...? Of course he respects her and think of her as a "Best of wives and best of womem", but he never said that he loves her. The only thing he thinks about is war - at first, and building their nation - later. Hamilton probably never loved his wive, and he even cheated on her permanently. Eliza dedicated her whole life for him, but he? He was a fucking bastard (I still love him) and lied to her many many times. He married Eliza mostly because her parents were rich. So yeah, not the best marriage, and poor Eliza.

And there's Burr and Theodosia. Burr who waited for her and married her because he loved her, and their child later. Theodosia who risked her reputation (and probably life...?) only to- meet with her lover. Their love wasn't easy, but they got what they wanted and got married. The way Burr was sad and scared for his daughter's life after his wife died... It was heartbreaking. Their marriage was made from true love, not from a buisness or a one-sided love and that's beautiful.

I'll leave it here

(please remember that I'm talking about the musical, not history. They were different irl than in the show)

[hotvampireadjacent]

i was listening to the new behind the bastards episode about thomas jefferson and. I was searching up information about Sally Hemings something that came up was some god awful movied titled "Sally Hemings- an american love story" WHOEVER SIGNED OFF TO GREENLIGHT AND WROTE THIS NEEDS TO KILL THEMSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE WAS A SLAVE THAT ISN'T LOVE

[lyrakanefanatic]

lyra: how does grayson, an arrogant, immigrant, orphan, bastard, WHORESON, somehow endorse THOMAS JEFFERSON-

oh my GOD she was out for blood in this scene ☠️☠️☠️😭

AND THE FACT THAT SHE KEPT GOING AFTERWARDS TOO LIKE GIVE IT A REST HOLY ☠️☠️😭

although to be fair, i would act the same way. like wdym he literally hand sent me an invitation to the grandest game, and then the second i arrive he acts like im invisible and straight up ignores me??? I WOULD BE THROWING HANDSSS ISTG 🤬🤬🤬

LIKE DAMN GRAYSON THIS ISNT SECOND GRADE. UR 22 YEARS OLD U CAN TALK TO A GIRL U HAVE A CRUSH ON. 🙄

LIKE THE FACT THAT LYRA WOULD BE SITTING IN THAT CHOPPER STARING AT GRAYSON AND TRYING HER BEST NOT TO LOOK AT HIM AND THEN SHE’D SWITCH UP AND SAY “i hate him and his bitchass grandfather 🤬”

AND ALSO I KNOWWW JAMESON NOTICED THE FACT THAT THEY WERE IGNORING EACH OTHER. LIKE THAT MUST BE SO AWKWARD IM CRYINGGG THROW THE WHOLE BOOK AWAY 😭😭 (im joking, the second i come into contact with it i will quite literally devour it whole.)

[jennicatzies]

what about the characters with the same actor? Does Hamilton ever look at his soon and think "he looks suspiciously like my dead totally platonic friend" or maybe same thing with jefferson. Maybe he even asks Thomas about wtf is happening. Maybe Thomas says something eerie about "you shouldn't have known that" and the lights go off immediately. Or maybe he tries to help, as much as he can while still maintaining his act? Does he send Alexander sympathetic glances while utterly destroying him in the cabinet battles? Smh I feel like jeff would be the most helpful of them all while madison/mulligan would straight up try to stop any misbehaving the second it happens

About the double roles question, already answered here

Now. Ahhh finally some TJeffs talk HAHAH ‼️

Man okay so. I've had thoughts about the state of Jefferson's consciousness! Big fan of that guy. silly, silly guy. bastard supreme [affectionate]

Answer and yapfest under the cut

Pulling reference from the disney+/pro shot of Hamilton, you might notice some minor silly 4th wall breaks from Jefferson such as like, blowing a kiss to the audience and handing a copy of the Reynolds Pamphlet to someone off stage. I wanna canonize that. Let's cook.

I feel that these little interactions can easily be translated/filtered by his script wiring, but hey. Look. Consider. Jefferson's script binding is faulty, but just not even as close to the degree Burr and Hamilton are. Like, oh yeah he'll sometimes get an off feeling about the setting. But ultimately he's blinded by Whimsy and he just doesn't think too deep about it. "Oh yeah uh I'm probably not supposed to be seeing that. But I'm having so much fun rn who gaf"

Everyone in the cast [excluding ensemble members] have minds of their own, their awareness and absolute free will are just locked away. They aren't on the side of the Stage, so I wouldn't see the whole ominous warning thing happening. Closest we can get to that are from Damage Control aka EnSeabury and Bullet, but I can't see them outright warning Hamilton or Burr either.

Burr is absolutely TWEAKING being the most broken off from wiring watching Jefferson — someone who is still very much bound to the script — so casually have audience interactions here n there.

So basically he is unfortunately not the most helpful either, shite 😔 unless giving Burr a psychologically induced headache is considered helpful

Okay maybe Seabury can. As a treat. Lmao. Yapper on yapper violence stays real

[ratsnu]

Hey I’m the anon that requested the baseball art and it was actually so funny how you mentioned @winterzz7 ‘s baseball AU because I stumbled upon their art at first and was immediately OBSESSED with the baseball idea. I was like “Omg I NEED more of this”, but unfortunately I couldn’t draw a stick figure to save my life HOWEVER I am a writer so I straight up started writing this whole baseball AU enemies to lovers Jamilton fic which led me to asking artists on here if they’d be willing to draw baseball AU’s (it has me feeling like a pathetic sheep. Hello? Literally begging?? How low I’ve fallen.) because baseball rivals Jamilton have taken over my entire life and I’m hooked on it like a drug.

Honestly I’m so intertwined with them as baseball stars who end up falling in love now that I’ll take any scrap offered. If you enjoyed drawing it, I’d KILL to see more. But if not, I’m still very much in LOVE with your art. I think you might be my favorite artist on tumblr actually.

Anyway, thank you for the beautiful masterpiece. AND you made Jefferson so cunty like?? Take my soul.

:)

this is so unbelievably sweet thank you 🥹🫶

PLEEEEEEASEEEEEEEE drop the link to ur fic in my inbox when u publish it i would absolutely die to read a baseball rivals au

also this is a lil funny because i WISH i could write and create that way because its probs my fav way to consume content and its cool to know that the road goes both ways (except those lucky bastards who have been blessed by the universe to be good at writing and art lol)

here’s jefferson stealing a base from ham for you <333

[snacho-to-ur-nacho]

burr: how does hamilton, an arrogant immigrant, bastard, whoreson, somehow endorse thomas jefferson, his enemy, a man he's despised since the begining, just to keep me from winning?

idk burr maybe bc u keep calling him a bastard and his mother a whore??? or the fact you owned slaves and had no opinion on anything that didnt benefit you??? pr that you had so many secrets and all the stuff you hid from the public???

[dalekofchaos]

Why is Max still pursuing photography?

You know what else baffles me about DE? Max is still a photographer.

I know Max would not allow trauma to define her future, but Max should not want anything to do with photography after Jeffershit.

In the Bae timeline, she would have Chloe to give her a pep talk. Chloe would knock some sense into Max and say "don't you fucking dare let that bastard take your childhood dreams away from you."

In the Bay timeline, Max doesn't have that person to give her the encouragement to pursue her dreams and move on pass the trauma Jeffershit inflicted on her.

I would argue that Warren, Kate and Victoria could convince Max not to allow what Nathan and Jefferson did to Rachel and Chloe to stop Max pursuing photography. But since not a single one of them are present in Max's life in DE, I just can't see it. I can't see D9 giving them the kind of presence that would convince Max to pursue photography again.

And since Bay!Max is still struggling with the loss of Chloe, then why is Max still pursuing photography?

[pub-lius]

do you know how hamilton felt about the madison-hamilton fallout? just realized everything i know about it is from madison’s perspective

oho boy do i

This has actually been a subject of interest of mine since I read The Three Lives of James Madison by Noah Feldman (great book, highly recommend). In the study of Alexander Hamilton, this is a crucial event that would define his proceeding political actions.

For some background for those who may not know what anon is referencing, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison were colleagues and "friends" (if you could call it that) from their time in the Confederation Congress until Hamilton submitted his financial plan to Congress, which was all in all about a decade. In that time, they lobbied for a convention to revise the Articles of Confederation, worked together in the Constitutional Convention, and wrote The Federalist papers together in defense of strong federal government together. The Federalist was like the manifesto of the Federalist party, which placed Hamilton at the head of that party, and, arguably, James Madison as well, until he switched to the Democratic Republican party.

Hamilton's experience was far different from Madison's, just in general, but especially when it came to close friendships between men. The closest relationship he had before James Madison was with John Laurens, who we know died tragically in 1782. Although we are all aware of my feelings on rat bastard Ron Chernow, I thought that this excerpt of his biography of Hamilton described this point very well.

"[Laurens'] death deprived Hamilton of the political peer, the steadfast colleague, that he was to need in his tempestuous battles to consolidate the union. He would enjoy a brief collaboration with James Madison... But he was more of a solitary crusader without Laurens, lacking an intimate lifelong ally such as Madison and Jefferson found in each other," (Alexander Hamilton, Chernow 172-73)

As Chernow mentioned, James Madison was already closely associated with Thomas Jefferson, who he kept well appraised of the circumstances in America while Jefferson was serving a diplomatic position in France. In my personal opinion, I think it was largely due to this that Madison began to attack Hamilton later on, since as soon as Jefferson arrived back from Paris, Madison suddenly had severe moral oppositions to Hamilton's plan, rather than just rational apprehension.

I also want to touch on Hamilton's perspective in their friendship, along with their fallout, specifically when it comes to The Federalist. Hamilton put such a high value on his work, and he held himself to a very high standard. There are a couple instances of him outsourcing his work to other men he admired, such as his last political stance, that the truth of an accusation can be used in libel cases. He asked several men to help him in writing a larger treatise on the matter than what he was able to make (due to yk the bullet that got put in his diaphragm), but these weren't just his friends. These men were very crucial figures in American law, which shows that, unlike men like Jefferson, he was very selective in who he chose to associate with when it came to his work.

This wasn't any different in 1787. When he chose John Jay and James Madison to assist in writing The Federalist, his reasons for both had nothing to do with their personal relationships. Jay was one of the most successful legal minds of the new country, and James Madison, was not only a Virginian, but was an absolute genius and fucking workhorse. If you like him or not, or if you like the Constitution or not, its undeniable that the Virginia Plan was absolute fucking genius, and Hamilton knew that.

This also shows a great amount of trust in Madison. Hamilton was an incredibly untrusting dude. He kept most of his emotions and personality away from work, and really the only people who knew who he was entirely were close family, one or two family friends included. They were the only people who knew his background, which is directly tied into his work, which was the most important thing to him. Without his work, in his eyes, he would have nothing. So for him to trust Madison with something he and the world viewed as one of his most important contributions to American history, that was incredibly significant.

Also I should mention that Hamilton definitely knew how important The Federalist would be, and this is clear in his introductory essay, which is confirmed that he himself wrote.

One thing that any Hamilton historians will agree on is that he was so set in his ways. If there was a moral or philosophical question before him, he would think about it constantly, consult his books and his peers, and once he decided on his stance, there was little to no chance of changing that. The Federalist are, if not anything else, the basis of Hamilton's political thinking. Hamilton, being the arrogant bitch that he was, assumed that every other genius would be equally steadfast in their beliefs.

But James Madison was different in that regard. He was also very tied in with his state's interest, as well as that of the planter class. Hamilton also had a strong bias towards his state and class, but not with the same attitude as someone who was born into it.

Therefore, when Madison openly opposed his Report on Public Credit with a speech in the House of Representatives, Hamilton viewed it as a deep betrayal of his trust, his work, and his principles. Hamilton saw this as a devastating insult to everything he stood for by someone he thought he could completely rely on. This was the 18th century burn book.

That speech immediately kicked off Hamilton lobbying to oppose Madison's counter-proposal, which he won because, frankly, Madison hadn't been expecting Hamilton to immediately come at him with the full arsenal, but Hamilton didn't half-arsenal anything. It was after that that Hamilton was able to process what had happened. According to one of Hamilton's allies, Manasseh Cutler, Hamilton saw Madison's opposition as "a perfidious desertion of the principles which [Madison] was solemnly pledged to defend." Ouch.

The final break between them was on the subject of the National Bank aspect of Hamilton's plan. This is when Madison redefined himself as a Democratic-Republican with a firm belief in strict construction of the Constitution, giving Hamilton free reign to take out his hurt feelings on him through the art of pussy politics* and this entirely dissolved the friendship that had once been there.

*pussy politics (noun): a form of politics in which grown men act like pussies by only supporting the governmental actions that benefit their families/wealth/land/class/etc. and it is very embarrassing and frustrating to sit through

Hamilton would spend a large part of his career battling Madison, and talking a lot of shit about him, which is what has allowed me to paint this stupid ass picture of two grown men fighting over banks. The personal language that he uses in regards to Madison is very different to the accusatory tone he took with his other enemies, and that in it of itself says a lot, but I hope this was able to shed some light on why Hamilton felt the way he did and what exactly he felt. Again, I love talking about this, so feel free to ask follow up questions!

[schnitzelsemmerl]

Six the Musical as (abbreviated) Hamilton quotes! (feat. the kids)

Anne: (yapping 2 Lina) he looked at me like I was stupid (im not stupid)

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Lina: talk less

Jane: smile more?

Lina: no please just talk less

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Mary I: how does a bastard, orphan, son (daughter) of a whore-

Elizabeth I: (sigh)

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Anne: (being the biggest hypewoman alive, wanting Anna to finally confess to kitty)

Anna: anne, i think your pants are hot! Kitty, I like you a lot!

(And they were roommates /jk)

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Elizabeth I: Mezza, do you yield?!

The ghosts of Edward, Janey (Grey), Mary I, Fitzroy and the Queens: you beheaded her yes she yields

(I know Elizabeth I didn't really have a choice when beheading MQoS, it just fits the quote)

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Elizabeth I: Elizabeeeeeth!

Mary I: Maaaaary!

Edward: and Edward

or:

Anne: Anneeeee!

Kitty: Kiiitty!

Jane: and Jane

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Elizabeth I: (to Mary's husband, i forgot his name) I know my sister like my own mind, you will never find anyone as trusting or as kind! I love my sister more than anything in this life! And i'd choose her happiness over mine any time! (basically, Elizabeth is Angelica)

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Bonus material:

Hamilton: now that i'm like obvs the winner, I'd like to sing about my reaction when jefferson finally dies (Takes a deep breath) JEEEEEFFERSOOOON WAS A MASSIVE--

Madison: And who decided you were the winner?

Burr: uhm i think he wants another turn

Jefferson: (flamboyantly emerges from casket) OVER MY DEAD BODY

[peekaboopaulmatthews]

How does Hamilton

An arrogant, immigrant, orphan, bastard, whore's son

Somehow endorse Thomas Jefferson, his enemy

A man he's despised since the beginning

Just to keep me from winning

i don't know. why are you asking me this?

[icystorm76]

Lauren’s comments on Ep 4

My sister has now watched Ep 4, and again I wrote down what she had to say. She has never read the books and has no idea about basically everything. Anything in parentheses is my comment on her comment.

Her reaction to Ep 3: https://www.tumblr.com/icystorm76/753858454799761408/laurens-commentary-im-forcing-my-sister-to-watch

“The title of this is “I want you more than anything in the world”, which GREATLY concerns me”

Claudia’s performance

“Wow, she in the show”

“Ok this is kinda creepy”

“Yes, slay Claudia”

“Claudia must hate this. It’s like her biggest pet peeve, being treated like a child”

“His face!!!”

“Ok, that ghost thing is kind of cool”

“Ok, that is abuse again”

“So what happens if Claudia falls in love with another vampire who was turned as an adult”

“I want someone to edit that scene with “it’s a small world” but it’s just Claudia on stage”

Coven meeting after performance

“Anne rice you kinky little bastard”

“It’s funny because she doesn’t like windows when they close but I don’t like Louis boyfriends when they abuse”

“He’s kinda daddy with those muscles”

“Abuser. Victim”

“Understand his commitment issues. Please.”

Louis and Armand

“Wow, eww, keep that gay stuff to yourself. Yes. Thank you. One time I’m with you Lestat.”

Dubai

“He has sad eyes. Daniel does. He looks like the restaurant guy from ratatouille”

*Extreme sarcasm* “Thank you Louis, that cleared it up”

“I feel like his face would be fun to sculpt”

“What? Fire at the theater?!”

“PTSD awareness too. That’s crazy”

Claudia and Santi’s convo in the wet room

“That moment when trying to be a cottage core bitch comes back to bite you”

“Awwww, they’re going to be friends!”(NONONONONO CLAUDIA AND SANTI ARE NOT GOING TO BE FRIENDS)

“Daddy vamp?!?!? I’m using that”

“Marketing campaign, she lays on the ground like she’s fucking dead”

“When are they going to notice she doesn’t age”

Dinner with the coven

“I love how they’re like “we need to get far away from Lestat, who has a French accent. Let’s go to France!””

“Awww, she’s smiling!”

“Du ponte du lac, say his full name”

“Theoretically, if him and Lestat got married he would be Louis Du Ponte Du lac De Lioncourt”

“You know what I need? Lestat drawn by the same person who did Miku binder Thomas Jefferson”

“Why don’t vampires have Orgys?”

“Don’t put all my sexual comments in here. People are going to think I’m oversexual, tell them in not oversexual!”

“That’s kinda gay”

Les+Lou and Claudia+Madeline

“This feels like a scene from a marvel movie, the way it’s shot”

“Is he a goat?! Hello?”

“Oh God, I knew he was going to say that. I knew he was going to say that. You vain bitch”

“Yeah, I think we learned from your last family that thats not always good.”

Art gallery

“Wow, that is doing to much.”

“Look at how bored Lestat looks”

“I love how it’s been years and years and none of the vampires are over their exs”

“I feel like I’m in therapy”

Louis and Claudia’s arguing and Lestats goodbye

“She keeps repeating things. It’s like in books when they do that Oh. Oh. OH. Thing. It was nice the first time but after that it felt like she was looking for things to say.”

“I like the detail that he’s not getting wet because he’s not really there”

“Yo butt gonna get wet. People gon think you peed yourself”

“Oh my god he’s imagining Lestat with emotions”

“Oh my god the snap just happened”

“Ok. Idea. Daniel fucked Santiago.” (She is really stuck on the idea of Daniel fucking a vampire, she just keeps choosing the Wrong one)

“Is the dark gift really just a vasectomy?”

“There it is!”

“I am… so confused. What just happened?”

[summers-lover]

How does Hamilton, an arrogant immigrant, orphan, bastard, whoreson somehow endorse Thomas jefferson, his enemy, a man he's despised since the beginning, just to keep me from winning?