#kimchay analysis

[ravenpureforever]

So I know we all joke about Porchay living his best Wattpad life, myself included, but I think we all kind of ignore how Kim just never dissuaded him from that notion and how we find that genre dissonance between Porsche & Kim’s view (and often our audience view) of Chay and how he actually acts, and we’re all sleeping on the mini character arc he’s gotten over the course of the series.

Porsche and Kim don’t want Chay to get caught up in the mafia world, and they both seem to view him in the same lense: he’s innoncent, sweet, incorruptible.

But Chay has fucking balls man, and he’s a lot more resilient than people give him credit for. He also ignores red flags like he’s color blind. We don’t get to see much of him, but the glimpses we do get show there is so much more beneath the surface.

First:

Man grew up with Porsche & a dead beat Uncle, you telling me he didn’t see some shit growing up? No matter how well Porsche protected him, Chay is the one dressing his wounds when he comes back from fighting, Chay still hears the loan sharks coming for his Uncle, he’s growing up watching his older brother as really the only source of income for his household. And he can’t do anything about it. Watching episode 1, when Chay asks Porsche to let him get a job and help out, it feels like they’ve had this conversation before, it feels resigned, it feels like a final quiet plea of “we’ve talked about this before, but please, please, please just consider it.” But Porsche says no, I’m going to take care of it and I can’t help but think of the impact that has, of watching the person he loves most get beat down again and again and not being able to do anything about it. I feel like Chay probably grew up being the peacekeeper, the one trying to keep the waters calm. Its clear he knows he’s his brother’s world, that his brother has done so much to keep him sheltered and happy, and I can think of Porsche teaching Chay manners, teaching him ideals of being kind to others and Chay just internalizing it and deciding “ah yes, so this is my role in the family, this is how I can help my brother.” Chay probably felt a lot of pressure, no matter how unintentionally and how unconditionally Porsche loves him, to be a reason why his brother is doing all of this, he’s probably hyper aware of how he’s Porsche’s motivation, that everything his brother does is for him. That does things to your self-worth, to how you view yourself. I get the feeling hasn’t had any agency over his own life before, he’s always been the princess locked in the tower, aware of the war but not allowed to participate. His happily ever has been chosen and now he just has to see it through.

Then literally overnight, he wakes up and his Uncle has vanished, and his brother has left with just a fairly suspicious note about pursuing his dream that’ll completely be able to fully support Chay. His entire way of living has transformed, and now he’s completely alone. He went from princess locked in a tower as a war rages on to a Queen of a decimated kingdom. He can not grieve, he can only have faith and move forward.

This is also how I realized Chay has practically been designed to ignore all red flags and interpret them as something else.

Enter Kim, stage right. Enter Chay’s wattpad fantasy come to life, also stage right.

When Chay meets Kim, he is someone who has literally nothing to lose throwing himself out there. My boy literally just recites an encyclopedia knowledge of “Wik, sir, you are my hyper fixation” all in the hopes of getting that T-shirt. And it works! His idol signs his T-shirt, he gets to talk to his idol, he has been rewarded for putting himself out there!

So go big or go home right? He might as well try asking for a tutor when asked if there’s anything he wants. And he’s shot down. No big deal, he moves on and has merch thats going to be the envy of the Wik fandom.

But then his idol calls him, and says he’ll tutor him. Wik remembered him, remembered his request, and then proceeded to hunt down a way to get Chay’s phone number and call him personally in order to tell him he’s decided to he’s going to help him get into the his dream department that he himself is apart of.

Its easy to view Chay from Kim’s perspective, as an excitable fanboy with a crush, but we forget how Kim looks from Chay’s perspective. So lets look on how everything seems from Chay’s perspective.

Chay put himself out there, made a decision solely for himself and what he wants and now his idol wants to tutor him. He’s been actively rewarded twice now, by the same person, for asserting what he wants and trying to get it. He’s gotten his cake and is eating it too. He has a celebrity crush like most people get, only his celebrity crush is now making the effort to genuinely get to know him. 

Wik tells Chay his name is Kim, he’s being open and vulnerable to Chay, and he’s trusting him with his identity. Kim asks about his brother, even though Chay didn’t tell him, red flag to any normal person citing he saw Chay’s screensaver and made an assumption. Kim is taking an interest in his life, he notices little details about him, and is asking to here more about the coolest person in the world, his brother and even noticed how much Chay loves Porsche that he wants Chay to write a song about it! He even trusts Chay enough to ask for his phone when Kim’s phone has died, even though that’ll mean there’s important numbers in Chay’s call history, and he trusts that Chay won’t take advantage of them!

And maybe Chay starts to fall a bit in love with Kim. Not Wik, but Kim, who’s a little bit insecure, a little bit awkward, but is making all this effort for Chay.

For Chay, it isn’t anything manipulative or suspicious, he’s becoming friends Kim, they’re sharing information about themselves, they’re bonding now, and he’s been shown that if he pushes, Kim will stay. Chay is all alone now, he has to take care of himself, but if he makes an effort and keeps putting himself out there, if he makes his wants known, Kim comes to him. Kim trusts him, and as long as Chay takes the initiative, he also makes the effort to bond with Chay.

Then Porsche comes back! Chay isn’t alone anymore, and they’re happy and safe and Porsche isn’t getting beat up! And then Porsche once again immediately leaves without a word and few days later you get the first call you’ve gotten from him since he left the first time and now he’s back at work and doesn’t know when he’ll be back again. He’s all alone, and his brother has seem to get a new life that once again Chay’s not allowed to be apart of.

But then Kim shows up at his house! And Chay immediately throws his brother under the bus in a desperate bid to keep Kim’s good opinion of him, once again, gotta admire the sheer balls and audacity of that move. Then Kim gifts him one of his guitars! Porsche do you understand how easily your brother could be taken advantage of do you? Sure he almost gets the heart attack of Kim discovering his shrine, but what teenager doesn’t have posters on the wall of his favorite singer? Maybe it’s weird that he wants Chay to go get the food for them both, but he could have an important phone call to make, he could be nervous going out in public where people could recognize him! Then when he gets back Kim asks him about his love life! Kim ruffles his hair! Kim tells him to write a love song!

Kim is checking off all the boxes of my crush likes me back.

So when Kim ghosts him a little, Chay makes the obvious conclusion. Show up at his house and sing him the love song he wrote! He’s been shown time, and time again that if he reaches out to Kim, Kim will eventually grab his hand. Kim has shown to be awkward and a little of unsure of himself around Chay, but relaxes when Chay takes the initiative. So Chay does what’s always worked. With literally no fear or anxiety whatsoever.

And with episode 13, we see how close they were getting. We see how they went out to places together, romantically or platonically, and they took pictures together! They were friends, they were close, they had a level of trust and bonding and vulnerability for Chay to take photos with Kim and leave them around his house for Kim to find!

So Chay once again has nothing left to lose, and shoots his final shot and confesses to Kim. And Kim kisses him! They hug! Kim may or may not have come home with him that night but at some point in they’re relationship post confession, they fall asleep cuddling on the couch.

And Chay and Porsche are very similar. They fall in love quickly, they become very devoted and loyal to that love, and they are honest about it. Chay and Porsche are both the first ones to say I love you, but while Porsche doesn’t ask for a reply, Chay does. Because Kim has shown time and time again that Chay needs to take the initiative. So he asks Kim: I love you, do you love me?

But he stops at that and lets Kim take his time. Because that’s the song and dance their courtship has been taking, Chay flirts, Chay pushes forward and then Kim comes to meet him the rest of the way.

Chay is living in a Wattpad fantasy: he meets his idol crush, his idol crush becomes fascinated with him, he sees the real human behind his idol crush’s persona and falls in love with the awkward, sweet person underneath, he confesses his love and the feeling is mutual! And all of this seems to be fate, like this perfect love story and the happy ending he actually wants. He’s practically gotten into his dream department with the boy of his dreams who loves him back.

He’s confirming it is all real, and letting Kim know that it’s all real on his end.

And then he gets fucking kidnapped. And then he gets indisputable proof that his brother has been lying to him this entire time, and he was kidnapped because of that secret life his brother was lying about it.

The ultimatum may seem harsh, but it makes sense when you see it from Chay’s perspective. He probably feels essentially abandoned by his brother for the past two months, and he’s understandably pissed about everything thats happened in the last 48 hours or so. His brother can be part of his life and they can go back to the way things were, but Chay can’t be a part of his life if his brother is in the mafia, and its true. Porsche has spent all this time telling Chay he wants him to get into a good school and get a good job and be surrounded by good people with a good social life. You can’t have that in the mafia, and Chay knows that. So from Chay’s perspective, his brother has basically just been a complete hypocrite to everything his brother taught him.

And while Porsche has been shown the type of person to be willing to throw away his morals and beliefs when it comes to the people he loves, Chay isn’t. His entire life has been surrounded on those ideals of being a good, kind person who lives a good life. And he’s understandably terrified of the thought of losing his brother and truly being on his own. He’s basically lost his only emotional support system for two months, and if his brother dies, he loses him for good.

So Chay says him or me, because in his mind either way he could lose his brother, but this is Chay making his own decision, this is Chay fighting back and reminding Porsche that see you hurt makes me hurt too. This ultimatum reminds Porsche that his actions have conquenses on Chay too, and it shows how Chay has grown up in his absence. Chay in episode one was willing to just bow his head and listen to what his brother, but Chay in episode 10 is willing to speak out, he’s no longer willing to be simply passive in his brother’s plans for him.

In the end, he and Porsche communicate, and we get a taste of how Chay is, like Porsche, willing to throw away his ideals because he loves someone. But now he’s been dragged into a completely unfamiliar world, he’s truly been into a different kingdom where he doesn’t have any of the power or agency he’s gotten used to having in Porsche’s absence.

And then its revealed the love of his life is part of the mafia, and he’s just gotta sit there and pretend like nothings wrong.

Side note: while it’s absolutely hilarious that absolutely nobody learned about the KimChay romance, it also makes a lot of sense. Rule number one of Wattpad romance: You NEVER tell your overprotective brother your in love or dating or got dumped. You NEVER let your big brother know about your love life. Rule number two of Wattpad romance: When dating a celebrity, you NEVER leave a hint that any fans could pick up on. You ALWAYS need to keep the relationship a secret for as long as humanly possible. Chay thinks he knows what genre he’s in, and he’s being smart about it.

So Chay goes to confront him. Like doesn’t even hesitate, just shows up like bitch you better explain yourself. Because that’s what he does, only this time he does it out of anger, not out of love.

And Kim tells him that his entire reality was a lie. When Chay breaks down crying, it’s not just because Kim dumped him, though that had to hurt, its because that means their entire friendship, all the kindness and effort Kim showed him, all the time they spent together, all the moments Chay thought were sweet, thought they were bonding and falling mutually in love was a complete and utter lie. He’s just been made a fool, and his entire life has been completely transformed and he has no control over any of it.

So he spirals and self destructs. Him ditching the interview may seem dumb and like he’s throwing everything Porsche worked for away, but think about it. Everything about this interview is going to reminder of Kim and how he betrayed Chay’s love and trust. This interview is a reminder of how his brother threw away his own life for Chay to have a future their parents would be proud of, despite his protests. This interview is an embodiment of Chay’s own lack of control in his own life, it has become a symbol of his pain.

Everything in Chay’s life has fallen apart and now he has to pick up the pieces and find his place in the new world he’s in.

So he tries to take back that lost control and ditches the interview. He does the stereotypical new haircut new me era. He goes out drinking with friends. Chay can’t talk to Porsche about any of this, he can’t be honest with friends about any of this. He doesn’t have any real support system in his life right now, and he’s falling apart. For the past two months he’s been in charge of his life for the first time, only for it to be yanked away and everything he knows to disappear. He wants to get that control back, but he has no clue how, and he has no one to help him. So he makes some dumbass decisions, but its not just because of Kim, it’s because desperately grappling for a sense of agency in a world that keeps stripping him of it.

And then Kim comes back into his life, and in Chay’s perspective, tries to take away his agency again and toy with his emotions. “You said you don’t care about me, but here you are caring about me,” and it makes him angry. So in episode 13, he tries to cut Kim off, he ignores his calls and blocks his number to assert his control of their relationship.

And then his agency and control is once again taken when Porsche wakes him up and (presumably) drops him off at Yok’s and (probably) doesn’t tell about anything that happens.

His Wattpad dream life romance has fallen apart, he’s had to leave his old life completely behind, and now he’s left in the ashes trying to figure put who he is and where he stands in this situation, trying to be his own person without anyone there to help him.

Conclusion: I think Chay is someone who strives to be kind and polite, and like Porsche wants to see the best in people, but he’s also incredibly brave and put into the position where he’s really making his own decisions for the first time in his life. He’s frustrated, he’s unsure, he’s making mistakes and fumbling around, but he’s a young adult finally trying to take control of his life after everything has been ripped out underneath him, and I think that side of him could be explored to.

I think Chay is the type of person who’s sweet and respectful, but when push comes to shove, he’s shown to be a no nonsense kind of person who isn’t afraid to backdown. He’ll listen, he’ll comprise, but Chay has a lot more of a spine and a no fear attitude than people give him credit for, but right now he’s desperately trying to assert his agency in a narrative that keeps taking it from him, and its causing him to self destruct.

I’m genuinely excited to see where his arc from passive princess in tower to living a self-insert life to currently self destructive extensional crisis ends up. We’ve only gotten a few scenes with him, but they’ve shown so much of a character arc that I feel people are sleeping on.

[live-from-flaturn]

I love when Kim discovers the Wik shrine in Chay’s room and they play some heavy, horror-adjacent slow piano over it while the camera pans... 

Like Kim himself doesn’t have an enormous fucking oil painting of his own face in the middle of his living room to hide his murder mystery conspiracy board.

Chay is not the unhinged one here.

[aeternallis]

Kim's Place in the Mafia: Novel vs Show

The one thing I can say without a doubt in my mind is that from the crumbs we get of Kim and Chay from the book and show, these two are obsessively in love with each other. So I'll say that now and get that squared away.

And I know, most of the fandom detest the book due to its problematic authors and will never read it, and that's completely valid. Furthermore, I will say now that the book is trash and hardly coherent at times. But as my favorite English scholar for Ancient Rome, Mary Beard, once said: "It's trash...but it's very valuable trash."

For what it's worth, reading the book at least once can provide a more nuanced understanding of why the showrunners made the changes they did in the show. The changes in and of themselves makes for a more cohesive story (SOO MUCH MORE COHESIVE), but it also goes without saying that a lot of the events in the show remain faithful to the novel, so in that regard, there is some merit to be had.

Finally, when I say the novel is "trash", I mean the narrative itself, not necessarily the translation (although it's not perfect by any means). If anything, I'm grateful for the translators who took the time to translate this novel into English, since translation is a thankless job most times in fandom (lookin' at you, MDZS). As I speak no Thai whatsoever, I can’t give an informed opinion on DAEMI's technical writing abilities, since I'm not a native speaker, nor am I the book's target audience.

But, I digress.

The more I reread the book (in all its trash glory), the more I find myself questioning Kim's views in regards to how he sees himself as part of a mafia family. 🤔

In the book, Kim is a lot more accepting of his place within the mafia, despite his initial tendencies of disappearing on his guards and staying away from the main house. In fact, that pretty much changes once Chay enters the picture.

Gotta love a Kinn who's curious about his little bro's love life. XD

Kim is firmly settled into the fold of the family business (if that scene in the secret warehouse is anything to go by) and there’s a scene in the beginning of the book where Korn obligates all 3 sons to dress up in some fancy suits and visit their chocolate factory, since he’s particularly keen on getting it off the ground. This shows that although Kinn is set to inherit (in public, at least) the other two sons still have their duties to the family.

In fact, I will say that one of the most interesting things about reading the book is finding out that Kim's sleuthing is actually canon. Lol Granted, it's sleuthing more in regards to finding the mole and not really about Korn's game plan, but sleuthing nonetheless.

But in the show, his role within the family business and how he views it are a little bit more foggy because he has his musical career to keep him occupied, besides his sleuthing into Korn’s affairs. He’s not active in the way one would typically expect a member of the mafia to be (and who knows, this may be due to limited time constraints on the part of the showrunners), but he’s active within that sphere nonetheless.

And because of this, contrary to the general fandom consensus, I never really got the impression that Kim wanted to be out of the mafia, yknow? Personally, I think it’s too big of a leap to say him moving out = him not wanting to be in the mafia. Having that sort of character motivation wouldn't really make sense either, because then we would have had stronger hints of it, I think?

At the very least, by the end of the show, Kim--just like Chay--has more reasons to stay than not. The way I see it, Kim wanting to be out of the mafia would actually somewhat contradict his actions in the show.

Despite his effort in staying away from the mansion his father and brothers live in (and later on, Chay), Kim benefits from being a Theerapanyakul. We see this in a lot of different ways: the penthouse he lives in, the cars he drives (he gets his own set of the Maserati fleet, yo), his private studio, the freedom of movement he has in being able to easily get information (although this may be debatable), using Big as a gopher.

I highly doubt his career as a young musician is maintaining his luxurious lifestyle (perhaps only a part of it, like the fame); imo, there’s a calculated reason why BOC chose to keep the level of his fame as vague as possible. The way I see it, Kim moved out and pursued music simply because, due to his unique position of being the youngest son (aka the spare), he just had the luxury to do so.

If he truly wanted out of the mafia, I'm firmly on the camp that he could have done so already. We've seen in both the show and the book that unlike Kinn who's constrained by his duties, Kim does have the freedom to disappear, even to the point that it's to his detriment at times. Lol

Maybe I can go even further, and suggest that perhaps the reason he chose to move out is to get a better vantage point of the circumstances surrounding his father's schemes and the ongoing tides of power. Kinda like, he has to move away from the trees, in order to see the entire forest.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he wants power for himself (although this idea would be fun to entertain, especially within the context that he now has Chay in his life to protect), but again, being a member (a high-ranking one, at that) of the Theerapanyakul family benefits him in a lot of different ways.

In one of BOC's interviews and then in Jeff's goodbye message during the last KPWT, he mentioned something about Pond changing up Kim's character in order to make Jeff Satur shine. Idk about y'all, but that's quite a touching gesture, and one I definitely approve of, whilst I get a better understanding of the similarities and differences between novel!Kim and show!Kim. It's obvious from the show that besides changing Kim's maturity level and changing his image from a fuck boi to a cool prince, giving him a passion for music definitely humanized him and served as a way to balance out the other two love stories.

But be that as it may, although we the audience don't know as to what extent Pond changed Kim's character to better fit the story, at the very least maintaining Kim's position as a legitimate contender in the politics of the mafia world remains consistent in both the book and show.

Whether that observation lines up with the idea that he wants out of the mafia though, is entirely up to you. XD

[sweetvixen1996]

Mafia Boys & Gifts As Manipulation

Okay so I need somewhere else to exorcise my Kinnporsche brain rot, and I guess that’s you fine people. So I submit my thesis of this post: 

In episode 7, we see Vegas, Kinn, & Kim all give a gift as a way to manipulate the recipient. 

One of the writers (who are trash people) are very smart to do is to echo certain beats with characters through their action to hammer a point home. A good example is Kinn kissing a drunk Porsche at the end of E3 and then sleeping with a drugged Porsche at the end of E4 -both acts of physical... attraction performed while Porsche is unable to fully consent but the latter having far more serious consequences. 

The manipulative gift giving in E7 really hammers home that Vegas, Kinn, & Kim really are FAR MORE ALIKE than any of them would like to think. But its all about lenses. 

So lets look at it:

Vegas:

Let's start with the most obvious example, shall we? 

Vegas spends this entire episode pseudo-courting Porsche. Both to mess with Kinn, and to get a competent man in the Minor Family’s control (likely under his father’s orders), Vegas is going to use what he knows of Porsche to win him over. Including this gorgeous bike. Vegas explicitly frames Porsche getting the bike as a reward for a job goes well. That, by its very nature, makes it not truly a gift. Instead its payment, a carrot dangled above Porsche's head. Also, on top of Vegas just knowing that Porsche likes motorcycles, I think this serves as a reminder of their little motorcycle ride date back from E5 when Vegas was around to (seemingly) provide comfort when Kinn was not. Basically, Vegas is saying, “Look what I can give you, look at how much fun we can have together, and look at how well I know you but you just got to do this one thing for me and you can have all of it.”

For the record, I do think Vegas genuinely likes Porsche, and is probably physically attracted to him. Everything he does in this episode and beyond is absolutely a power play, with Porsche just being another piece on the chess board in the game of domination Vegas is constantly trying to play with Kinn, but, unlike his thin veiled contempt for Tawan, Vegas seems to truly enjoy spending time around Porsche. I always think back to that hug they shared and how Vegas just sort of melted into it. It’s hard to fake that sort of react. 

Maybe in a different life, they could have been actual friends.

In hindsight, I do wonder how much about the bodyguards all being happy and Vegas caring about them is a show and how much of it is real. Vegas definitely wants to frame life at the Minor Family as a better alternative to serving the Major Family, but we also know that Vegas is not incapable of caring about the people around him. In fact, he’s something he desperately wants to be good at. 

On a side note, we also get the case of Vegas giving the pork skewer to Pete. It's a small thing, and probably also manipulation, but with how important food becomes in their relationship, I think it's worth noting.

Kinn:

I almost hesitate to call this manipulation, because this moment is really just so sweet. So instead I'll discuss how Vegas uses the bike as a reward while Kinn uses his favorite gun as an excuse. For these two knuckleheads, E7 is a transitional period. E6 had them admitting for their attraction and affection for each other, and the Side Story had them cementing that what they had in the woods isn't going away, but E7 here is them trying to figure out what this new dynamic means and how it can exist back in the “real world.”

Kinn is not ready to say “I love you” verbally to Porsche yet. He cannot fully put his trust in Porsche just yet. After everything with Taiwan, and just well his entire life, all the jealousy and insecurity and possessiveness is coming out in full force. Not to mention, Kinn is stuck at home recovering from his injuries, likely making him feel useless. Plus, he has to at least have a suspicion that Vegas was the one who drugged and took Porsche back in E4 -on top of actively plotting to take Porsche away now.

Yet Kinn also knows he needs to be careful. Even if he can't say those things, he knows he at least needs to give something up or risk Porsche pulling away. Specifically, pulling towards Vegas. So he gives Porsche’ his gun, the one Kinn always keeps on him. It's Kinn’s way of saying, “even if I can't be with you in person, this gun is my way of being with you in spirit.”

Then he tells Porsche that Porsche has to come back so he can return Kinn’s gun. Now this is a fun little gray area, because Kinn IS able to say Porsche needs to come back to him -not why, mind you, he’s not their yet. But Kinn is trying his best. Unlike Vegas, who views Porsche as part of a game, Ken sees Porsche as the prize at the end of the game. The only thing that matters. The thing Kinn wants to get above all, no matter what he has to sacrifice.

I love this whole interaction because it just runs the gauntlet of emotions. It's sweet, it's sappy, it's funny, it's flirty, and it's a little tense. Overall, it's a good example of both Kinn’s own emotional limitations, and Kinn trying his damnedest to show how he feels since he's not great at putting things into words. And if that involves a little manipulation, well there are probably worse things in the world.

Also I think it is really funny that this entire scene and the situation with the gun is very reminiscent of the concept of the Lady’s Favor. That being where noble women would give Knights a personal token, usually a handkerchief or a ribbon, when they went off to do something dangerous as both a token of their affections and to make the Knight promise to come back. The promise, of course being so that the Knight would stay safe, and so the Knight would have an excuse to visit their Lady again.

Kim:

The Kimchay relationship is interesting because it somehow manages to be both the most wholesome while also being the most duplicitous. One of the things that makes all three of the major couples in this series interesting (or controversial, depending on who you ask) is that there is a very clear uneven power dynamic. Kinn is Porsche’s boss and a mafia leader, and Vegas literally has Pete chained up in his house -you can't get much more even than that. And yet, both of them are in a situation in which the power dynamic difference is obvious. That's not the case with Kimchay. While it's true that there is the obvious unbalance of the Idol/Fan dynamic, and the age gap being jussssst wide enough that Kim and Chay are at different points in their developmental adult life, the real power dynamic difference comes from the fact that this entire relationship is built flat on a lie. It is a lie that Kim himself eventually comes to love and wish was true, but not one that could have ever been sustained.

There are a lot of really great metas out there about how Kim is actually the most dangerous of his brothers, and is far more willing to coldly manipulate and act for his goal, and you see a lot of that these early interactions with Chay. 

At this point, I think it's safe to say that while Kim may think Chay is cute and sweet, and is charmed by him despite himself, Chay is still just a means to the end within his investigation. He's also completely aware a Chay’s infatuation with him and is using that to get through the door of Chay’s life and house -quite literally.

If the motorcycle was a reward from Vegas, and the gun was an excuse from Kinn, I'd say that Kim is using the guitar as almost a form of payment. A way of further buying Chay's trust and good nature. He may have even specifically brought it as a way to override Chay questioning why Kim knew where he lived. 

And yet it's also important to point out that this episode is a turning point in their relationship, just like it is for KinnPorsche. Before this, Chay was a tool, if a very charming one. Kim doesn't even really have the patience with him to wait for Chay to finish talking and expressing his doubt about accepting the guitar before asking to use the bathroom. Not to mention further taking advantage of Chay’s feelings for him in order to get Chay out of the house so Kim could investigate the Mysterious Locked Room.

But then Kim finds the Idol Wall, and everything changes. I am 100% convinced that is the moment where Kim not only knows that Chay has nothing to do with any potential mafia dirty business, but also when Kim starts feeling some guilt over his manipulation of Chay. Both of which should make him immediately back off, and we see in the next episode that that is sort of what he does, but his initial response is instead to engage further -even outright flirting with the implicit promise of further contact with the two,  even though it actually doesn't have any merit at this point. 

Basically, this is when Chay starts to become REAL to Kim.

[melancholycatastrophe]

Lol remember when I said I was gonna make a kimchay analysis google docs presentation? Yeah...

i can’t believe i did this for fun and nobody stopped me. anyways, I'm tempted to share the link to it on tumblr

[wildelydawn]

The (Potential) Symbolism of Kim’s Necklaces.

This is probably total bullshit and a piss poor excuse to stare at Kim some more, but what do we think of his jewelry? I think there might be some symbolism in his necklaces. 

I want to first focus on the safety pin necklace. In episode five, he’s wearing it for the first time. 

Now, I’m not sure what it’s made out of (it could be made out of a precious metal or something of that nature) but it really just looks like a safety pin bringing two ends of a broken necklace together. The chain itself looks pretty thin; it looks like a simple piece of jewelry. He wears it when he’s sneaking around Korn’s office and when he decides to call Porchay to be his tutor in order to use Porchay as a means to get to Porsche. 

In episode seven, he wears the safety pin necklace again, this time to Porchay’s house, when he’s on the mission to find more information about the potential mole. 

This necklace seems to appear whenever Kim is dipping his toes back into the mafia life, but particularly when he’s using music as a method in his investigation. If we are to consider that the original necklace is broken, the safety pin is literally trying to bring both ends together. Then, maybe we can also consider the safety pin as symbolically bringing these two opposite personas of Kim (mafia and music) together.

He’s not wearing the safety pin necklace in episode four, eight, or nine. In fact, in those particular episodes, Kim is either wearing a heavier/bulkier necklace in comparison to the safety pin necklace, or he’s layering many necklaces together. As if they are weighing him down. These are the episodes in which he prioritizes the mafia over his budding feelings towards Porchay: investigate Porsche/Porchay (episode four: wearing a bulkier necklace when he meets Big and asks for information on Porsche); focus on who the mole is when the Porsche investigation doesn’t pan out (episode eight: wearing several necklaces while trying to avoid Porchay when he shows up to serenade him); and attempt to cut Porchay out when he begins to catch feelings (episode nine: wearing a very heavy necklace with many charms when he goes to the studio to, theoretically, push Porchay away.) Essentially, I am suggesting that the necklaces are symbolic collars that Kim is forced to wear. The heavier/more intricate the necklace, the heavier is his burden to the family.

What’s really interesting is that in episode ten, Kim’s not wearing a necklace at all. 

I mean we could chalk it up to Porchay being on his chest and Kim just taking off the necklace for his comfort. He doesn’t wear one when he rescues Porchay either. Maybe this absence of necklaces speaks to his attempt at freedom or his attempt to do as he pleases, without the mafia’s motivations at his neck at all times? While he does go apeshit and brings out his mafia training in episode ten, his purpose for doing so isn’t mafia related: it’s Porchay related, and that’s why there’s no necklace around his neck. He’s acting solely in his own interests: protect the only ray of sunshine in his life.

I don’t know. This could all fall apart in the next episode, so I’ll do my best to track this. I would love it if someone with costume design experience or even a jewelry wearer would weigh in! Or, of course, please tell me I’ve lost my mind and that I’m just thirsting over Kim. Either is fine.

EDIT: Part II & Part III.

[mineonmain]

KINNPORSCHE EP 11 MOODBOARD (no context memes) ((but do you really need context))

Kinnporsche:

Vegaspete:

Kimchay:

Tankhun:

Me:

[i-am-church-the-cat]

So obviously after going through the episode I'm just scrolling through the KinnPorsche tag

And something hit me that really should've stood out to me earlier, but I just had to talk about it

Theerapanyakul heirs kissing their lovers' hands

Now I think because of the nature of these relationships, the meaning is different but that doesn't make it any less significant.

I think the VegasPete kiss has more religious undertones. In Catholicism, kissing the hand of the Pope is considered kissing the body of Christ, or God. Vegas's kiss is one of worship.

On the other hand, the KinnPorsche kiss is one with more societal undertones. Historically, a kiss on the hand was given by a man to a woman of equal or higher status than their own. I think the same thing applies here, with Kinn trying to show that Porsche is equal to him, or even above him, and that Kinn sees him as such.

It has really fun significance especially because to anyone looking in, Vegas and Kinn are the more powerful half of their couples. All of the relationships in KinnPorsche have this kind of power imbalance with the Theerapanyakuls being in control and Porsche, Pete, and Chay submitting to them in some way.

But from these two actions, it's shown that inside the relationship, it's totally different. Kinn and Vegas only have the power when Porsche and Pete give it to them. In fact, the kisses shown above couldn't even have happened if not for Porsche and Pete allowing Kinn and Vegas the chance.

Pete and Porsche gave Vegas and Kinn the power/control (literally in VegasPete's case) and the hand kiss was a way to acknowledge that even when Kinn/Vegas is in control, Porsche/Pete is still higher than them.

And you know what. I could talk for hours about the power dynamics in this show because I think that's what it's all about. KinnPorsche, boss/employee, VegasPete, captor/hostage, KimChay, tutor/student. It's inherently supposed to be unequal and the show is developing the relationship so that it goes both ways.

[thatgirl4815]

First Kisses

Since I keep talking about kisses, I might as well point out how the show has given us three distinctly different first kisses for each of the couples. Each kiss seems to epitomize their greater plot line and emphasize how each of these couples represent something tonally and thematically different and yet, very similar at the same time.

We’ve gotten a range of kisses from Kinn and Porsche, but the fact that this first one is so delicate and tender and emotional is a huge indicator of the course of their relationship. I mean think about it: Kinn and Porsche have just had one of the most open talks Kinn has probably ever had in his life. Kinn let his facade temporarily fall away to confess all of his inner turmoil over his job--all to someone he hardly even knows. I remember a lot of the fandom discussing whether or not this kiss happened too fast, but in hindsight, I think it’s even more clear that this kiss says more about Kinn than about the two of them as a couple. Kinn latches on and he latches on tight; he falls and he falls fast. Why wouldn’t he kiss Porsche when emotional connection and stability is the one thing he craves so desperately? It terrifies him, but he would also be lost without it. 

Music: Daniel Kaede’s Japanese Dawn is a beautiful, appropriately-delicate mood-setter for their openness. And I don’t need to get into Jeff’s OST because the words themselves just confirm how much Kinn needs Porsche in this moment. (Side note, but does anyone else feel emotionally attacked by the opening notes of Why Don’t You Stay? Because I do.)

Theme: I’ve already laid it out pretty distinctly, but if I was to narrow down the theme in this scene and in KP’s entire relationship, it’s that everybody needs somebody they can trust. It’s fundamental, but it’s even more necessary for people like Kinn, who have been trained that complete trust leads to a lack of caution, which leads to betrayal, which leads to everything falling apart. But being together, even for just a moment, in a world that always seems to be trying to take you down...that’s the most powerful thing. 

I will just confess this right off the bat: I’m not a big fan of KimChay’s relationship, mostly because it doesn’t carry as much depth and weight as the other two. But that got me thinking...that’s probably the point. It’s meant to balance out the intensity of KP and VP with its innocence. But that also got me thinking about the fact that Chay is the only one bringing real innocence to this relationship. Even though Kim is not directly involved in the mafia life, his entire plot line ultimately revolves around it. Chay brings a light to that darkness the same way Porsche brings a lightness to Kinn. And I think that this kiss and everything before it honestly surprises Kim. He wanted to use Chay even if that meant manipulating his emotions, but he never thought he would actually develop some feelings in return. 

Music: Barcode’s OST captures the innocence of his affection for Kim, and it also plays into themes I’ve seen in a lot of other BLs about young love, growing together, etc. Again, the innocence is clear.

Theme: In some ways, the theme of Kim and Chay’s relationship isn’t all that different from Kinn and Porsche’s. Kim puts on a cold, reserved exterior, probably as a result of his own deep-seated issues. It’s interesting and definitely intentional for Kim/Kinn and Porsche/Chay to mirror each other so much. Kim and Chay is the much subtler, teenage version of what Kinn and Porsche have, and I see their first kiss as reflecting themes of young love. Trust plays a role in their relationship, but again, not to the same extent as KP.

I’m honestly conflicted on whether or not to call this VP’s “first kiss,” because though it technically is, I’d argue that it’s different than the others for a few reasons. The other two kisses were consensual and desired by the recipient. Porsche is drunk, yes, but he’s with-it enough to know who he’s speaking to, return the kiss, and remember it later. Chay basically instigates the romance in the first place by talking with Kim. Also, the atmosphere of both KP and KC’s kisses is romantic. We could’ve guessed we were going to get a kiss between them based on the general setting and set-up. But with VP, Vegas is planting this kiss on Pete, and Pete doesn’t return it. He simply lays there, caught off guard, unable to resist or respond. This, of course, says more about Vegas than about the two of them together (like how KP’s first kiss says more about Kinn).

Again, it might be controversial, but I’d argue that this--

--is the real first kiss between Vegas and Pete because they both respond to it. If we decide to count this as VP’s real first kiss, then I’ll say that it’s the first one we see that’s almost strictly passionate. It’s rushed, it’s desperate, it’s frantic, it’s all-consuming. It’s clearly more lustful than either of the other kisses.

Music: Max’s Anson’s Stable Delusion kicks into gear soon after this kiss, and while I am not a fan of the choice to use it here, I do think it at least coincides with the fact that this is far from the tenderness we see with KP and KC...at first, anyway. Later into the scene, the kisses become much more delicate, but here it’s charged with desire pretty exclusively.

Theme: All in all, I think the fact that it starts passionate and physical and gets tender later on thematically suggests that Pete and Vegas’s relationship is very passionate and toxic and potentially threatening, while the undercurrent is tender and sweet and loving. It’s the difference between the undercurrent and overcurrent. 

--

Anyway, I probably talked myself in circles a few times here, but overall, I think we’re meant to see how these relationships overlap in terms of emotion, but how they differ in terms of tone. 

[myulalie]

Porschay and the hierarchy of needs

So I’ve made a case of Kim falling in love with Porschay, but let’s take a look at Porschay living his best teenage rom-com life.

First I’d like to state that from Porschay’s point of view, Kim is sending a lot of mixed signals, and he’s sending them to a boy who is used to being loved “from a distance”.

Porsche has proven time and time again that he loves Porschay by trying his damn best to meet as many of Porschay’s basic needs as possible (safety, giving him access to education). To do so, Porsche is busy, and he would have always been as both Porschay’s brother and parental figure. Emotional needs like companionship give way to self-fulfillment needs (a chance to pursue a career in music) because that’s what Porschay will need in the long-run, more than his brother staying home with him.

He’ll need to meet his basic needs on his own first if he wants to meet his emotional needs as an independent adult. Those are the end goal, the very reason they work so hard and deprive themselves from fully meeting their emotional needs to start with. It’s a sacrifice worth making.

To Porschay, this is what unconditional love looks like.

People not replying to your texts immediately (see his messages to Porsche), leaving notes when they leave (see Porsche on the day he starts working for Kinn) and being out of reach for literal months (once again Porsche once he moves in with the main family) is the norm.

As far as Porschay can tell, none of it is a red flag because the person that loves him the most in the whole world treats him that way. His emotional needs might not be met, at least not all the time, and it’s definitely unhealthy, but it’s the next best thing, making the most of the situation they find themselves in.

Now, if we apply this to his relationship with Kim…

Upon realizing he can’t give Porschay what he wants (guitar lessons), WIK finds the next best thing and signs Porschay’s shirt. In Porschay’s world, it’s exactly the same as Porsche being away from home a lot, but coming back with food and making sure they can afford Porschay’s education.

It’s a compromise, and something that can last. Porschay keeps the shirt and can look at it whenever he needs something to cheer him up, it gives him motivation for the same exam he wanted guitar lessons to prepare for.

What next? Well would you believe it, WIK ends up offering to tutor him.

Good things come to those who wait, or so the saying goes. Porschay’s patience and understanding are rewarded, like they always are (in a similar fashion, Porsche comes back to him after spending a month at Kinn’s).

So Porschay let’s it play out, he follows every step from the book. He reached out to WIK on a personal level, and he gets to know Kim. He writes the song about Porsche, and Kim joins him on the piano. How best to connect with Porschay, whose favorite person in the whole world is his brother, the very one the song was written about?

Porschay’s emotional needs are just within reach.

Hell, Kim visits him in his home next! Much like Porsche, he drops by unannounced, and comes with a gift, one that suits Porschay and meets some of his self-fulfillment needs (a better instrument to become a better musician, to get into the music faculty). Looks a lot like someone who wants to get to know you as well, enjoys hanging out with you and intends to become part of your daily life, doesn’t it?

The next interaction, from Porschay’s point of view, looks even more like a plot point from a rom-com.

Kim asks about Porschay’s crush and why would you do that if you’re not interested? You could even assume Kim dismisses Porschay’s feelings because he doesn’t realize Porschay means Kim and thus, Kim is jealous. Mixed signals. Even if Kim had an inkling that Porschay means him, the fact that he suggests writing a love song seems to lead straight towards the love confession, and Porschay can only see it as a green light. I know I would.

When Porschay shows up at Kim’s later and insists to play the song, it’s much like his interactions with Porsche. Both Kim and Porsche are busy, but they make some time for Porschay because he matters to them, and doing so puts a smile on their faces.

It plays out as usual for Porschay, the people he loved are distant, unavailable, but they do care about him else they’d tell him to get lost, wouldn’t they?

I’m sure to Porschay, love and hate are very much black and white. He’s seen Porsche’s unconditional love, and thugs breaking into his house to collect money. I don’t think Porschay gets confused with outward hostility or bullies, and I strongly believe he can stand up for himself.

Kim exhibits no sign of hostility. His whole demeanor is similar to Porsche’s, albeit with less warmth because they’re mostly strangers instead of, you know, siblings who have shared the same space for their whole lives.

Which brings us to the confession. I am unsure what Porschay expected there. From his dialogue lines and the gift, I’d say he didn’t have any hope and just meant to move on, but from a rom-com point of view, you would think he at least wishes for his feelings to be reciprocated (moreover, we mentioned Kim’s mixed signals above with the whole love song thing).

Of course, in Porschay’s rom-com storyline, Kim kisses him on the cheek and they spend the rest of the day together. Everything played out as it should have, and it seems that each of Porschay’s needs have been met (basic, emotional, self-fulfillment), so it’s no surprise he rushes into a proper love confession soon after. It’s cringe, it’s hasty, it’s a beginner's mistake, but last time he told Kim how he felt (the song, then the first confession), Porschay was rewarded for putting himself out there.

Obviously, the rom-com kind of goes off-script from then on. Porschay doesn’t really notice, or at least he shrugs it off and moves on to providing for Kim in a different manner, if words make Kim uncomfortable surely food won’t.

Once again it’s much like his dynamic with Porsche, although the brothers don’t have any issue verbalizing their love for each other (also, you know, there is none of the romantic tension Porschay feels with Kim). Porsche and Porschay do have practice and no reason to be shy about it, quite the contrary as Porsche is often unavailable / could get hurt in the underground fighting scenes so it's important to verbalize their love for each other on a regular basis "just in case". Porschay can express his love in many ways, and one of those is caring for his loved ones (stitching their wounds, making food…).

If he meets their basic needs the way they do for him, it means just as much as meeting emotional needs, doesn’t it?

Not quite, and this is the reason Porschay self-sabotages after Kim rejected him (more or less). His emotional needs got him in his mess, so he doesn’t take the second part of the exam, doesn’t follow the path to self-fulfillment (the very reason Porsche joined the mafia and Porschay met Kim, eventually getting brokenhearted).

All his life, Porschay was taught (not on purpose, but it’s still there) that his emotional needs come second. They’ll be met when he and Porsche are in a better place and their basic needs are met (economically, physically, socially…).

The one time Porschay tries to go around this “rule”, he crashes and burns. He got ahead of himself, maybe he doesn’t even deserve to fulfill his emotional needs. Music, other than being the epitome of expressing one’s emotions, is worthless if it doesn’t meet any of Porschay’s basic needs, much less Porsche’s, so of course he’d give up on music first and foremost.

I’m getting ahead of myself though, so let’s stop to consider the confrontation with Kim.

Porschay asks two questions: 1) you knew I was Porsche’s brother all along 2) did you ever love me? and I find it extremely symbolic. 1) so it was all about a basic need (safety), 2) the emotional aspect was fake(d). He confirms that Kim was operating out of necessity, to secure his basic needs and that once again, the emotional needs come second, and that you can go on about your life without fulfilling them or worse, you can do so while faking it.

Isn’t it heartbreaking that this is what Porschay learns from his encounter with Kim?

All this time, he worked so hard to meet basic and self-fulfillment needs in order to finally fulfill his emotional needs, only to find out that this can be used against him and that most people don’t have the chance to experience what it’s like when your emotional needs are met.

What a miserable way to live.

So Porschay gave up on his emotional and self-fulfillment needs, which leaves only one thing: his basic needs. Guess what? He throws them out the window as well when he goes clubbing, engaging in risky activities because he has no reason to care anymore (let’s not forget that Porsche also dropped a bomb on him regarding his involvement with Kinn and the mafia as a whole).

Suddenly, Porsche doesn’t quite ensure that Porschay’s basic needs are met either (Porschay was in danger), and now it’s up to Kim to try and make sure Porschay is safe and meeting his self-fulfillment needs (dragging him out of the club and scolding him for skipping the second part of the exam).

Kim finally goes out of his way to meet Porschay’s emotional needs as well but the foundations of Porschay’s life are too shaky to deal with that. He’s still finding his footing, trying to re-establish his basic and self-fulfillment needs (what is safety? what can he do if not music?) and define his life according to his new reality.

Once again, it’s about learning and growing, taking control of your life and responsibility for your actions. It teaches them both a lesson (you can’t go about life without meeting your emotional needs, it’s a necessary step in your hierarchy of needs).

How they decide to go about it is up to them now, but I sincerely hope KimChay find a way to do so together.

[live-from-flaturn]

Chay, Hope, and “The New Hunger”

An unnecessary metatextual analysis by an excited English MA queer.

So it all started with this shot from Episode 7 of KinnPorsche:

I zoomed in on the novel next to Chay’s desk out of curiosity and discovered that it was The New Hunger by Isaac Marion. Not a super old book by any means, and definitely one that Chay would realistically be reading.

Also a brief cameo that lets this single comedic shot FORESHADOW SO MUCH OF CHAY’S TRAGIC PLOTLINE without likely intending to do that at all.

Because The New Hunger, published in 2013, is a functional prequel to Marion’s 2010 novel Warm Bodies.

Warm Bodies is by far one of the most beautifully written and engaging re-interpretations of Shakespeare’s “Romeo and Juliet” probably ever written (and I spent 3 summers at Shakespeare camp, so this approval is not coming from a casual fan perspective). There are zombies, apocalyptic drama, Daddy issues, and a LOT of stuff about not losing hope in the face of annihilation, loss, and loneliness. 

R spends most of the novel talking TO HIMSELF and coping with HOW TO BE ALONE. He is doing exactly what Chay is forced to do for survival: Create his own joy and entertainment. He’s abandoned by the world around him and must fight at every turn to maintain a sense of agency, all while desperately clinging to the idea that hope is everywhere. Here are some of my favorite Warm Bodies quotes for perspective:

“It frustrates and fascinates me that we'll never know for sure, that despite the best efforts of historians and scientists and poets, there are some things we'll just never know. What the first song sounded like. How it felt to see the first photograph. Who kissed the first kiss, and if it was any good.”

“What wonderful thing didn’t start out scary?”

“You should always be taking pictures, if not with a camera then with your mind. Memories you capture on purpose are always more vivid than the ones you pick up by accident.”

“’What's wrong with people?’ she says, almost too quiet for me to hear. ‘Were they born with parts missing or did it [love] fall out somewhere along the way?’“

“The sky is blue. The grass is green. The sun is warm on our skin. We smile, because this is how we save the world. We will not let Earth become a tomb, a mass grave spinning through space. We will exhume ourselves. We will fight the curse and break it.”

“Deep under our feet the Earth holds its molten breath, while the bones of countless generations watch us and wait.”

BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE NEW HUNGER.

“Nothing is permanent. Not even the end of the world.”

“Enough white lies can scorch the earth black.”

“What happened? How did I get here? How could I have known that my choices mattered?”

“Crying. Expelling grief from the body in the form of salt water. What's its purpose? How did it evolve, and why are humans the only creatures on Earth that do it?”

He has not reached the point of exhumation yet. 

Porchay must first be burned down. He must experience the hopelessness, loss, and devastation of betrayal first. 

Like yeah, sure, this is a throwaway shot and someone on the set probably grabbed a handful of random books to use but HOLY FUCK they really could not have made a better (potentially) accidental choice!

Like... Jesus Christ in Heat do I love these books more than life itself. Warm Bodies is my second favorite book of all time and again, I read books for a living. You should go check them out if you like romance, comedy, zombies, or really just feeling good about the end of a novel. Isaac Marion will fundamentally change your life and the way you look at the world and it’s a wonderful experience.

But also the accidental foreshadowing of Porchay’s world being burnt up... of his memories being tainted and blackened by Kim’s lying and Porsche’s secrecy... Ugh it hurts. I am having some feelings in this Chili’s tonight. 

[heyhua]

no but it actually makes sense for Chay to not accept that last love song from Kim because Chay has never really seen Kim going to lengths to protect him.. it's only the audience who could see it. Kim made sure to hide it from him. Imagine how confusing it must be for Chay - Kim leaving him cold and then barging into the bar to stop him from taking drugs and then sending a love song

[aeternallis]

Ren's Meta / Rant List :: KPTS / Kimchay

I've had a number of requests from people to put all my metas and rants onto one place for better reading and access, so here you go! I'll update as I go, but for those who'd been asking me, thank you for your patience!

Since I've read the fan translation of the novel, my rants usually tend to center on the differences and changes from book -> show (with a hyperfocus on Kimchay, cuz they're my fave). This serves as a way to better highlight my own understanding of the story, as well as to speculate on BOC's intent with their changes. I personally think it's important, since the authors themselves-no matter one's own opinions on how problematic they are-were heavily involved in the production of the show (at least from the limited BTS footage available online).

Having said this, I'm not here to to tell people what they can and can't do with these fictional characters, and this should already go without saying. This is fandom, you're more than welcome to play with these mafia dolls however you like, and I shall do so as well.

Please don't take these rants/metas as self-appointed gospel for the show, these are just my opinions and thoughts, and in no way are they intended to attack anyone else's opinions and views, no matter how they may come off.

Y'all are also welcome to read the book and draw your own conclusions, and you wouldn't get any judgement from me!

Please don't argue with me about your headcanons and whatnot, since arguing with people online just gives me anxiety. Lol Headcanons are just headcanons and may not always be universally shared, so please treat them as such.

:: Updated as of: 01/30/2024 ::

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[tiedankelstotheocean]

KinnPorsche Finale Immediate Thoughts.

Ahhhhh the finale is final! Nooo daddy Chan!!

There has to be a season 2, there are too many random cuts and loose ends.

"History is told by the Victors" - I am gonna write a meta on this because TF this master manipulator got what he wanted. Still the question remains who is Porsche, who is Numpeng? What are you hiding Khun Korn, and what is it your farther wanted?

Also, is Porsche's mother faking it to protect her children?

At scene at the boat was so lovely (lol at Porsche waiting in the bathroom), did anyone else think Kinn was about to propose with his surprise?

Hopes for Season 2:

Khun Kinn's master plan what is it?

Who is Porsche, who is his mother, why is she so important?

More TimeTay!

Kinn Porsche mafia, murder husbands!!

Vegas, Pete, Macau - and this Venice that someone spoiled for me!!

Macau and Chay becoming besties!

Chan is alive.

Also girls, gays and theys this been so damned great severing with you all!!!

[roseturnedblack]

Porche's mom's eyes say it all. She knows who the real villain is but is willing to be in the dark to survive.

[gewdmorning]

Some of you talk about the conflicts and narratives in the kinnporsche series like there shouldn’t be any at all.

What were you expecting? It is a mafia themed show. It is going to have morally grey characters, in fact people (especially bl fans) cry and moan for more complex characters and then when they are given it, so many criticise it like there is nothing redeemable about it or in it.

It would be completely wrong to say that the series doesn’t have problems. It has so many, even without being professional writers and directors and editors, most of us can sense there is a lack of balance for the time given to all the characters. The very best thing about this series is that all the actors have done a great job, probably one of the things that’s keeping it popular. However, screen time given to each character, couple and the various growth arcs is a little off.

But nobody can say that it’s not an enjoyable show. It’s visually pleasing, the acting is beautiful, the use of lighting, setting, the extreme drama, they are all well done.

It’s ok to criticise it, I’m sure the producers and all the makers involved in it only want to improve. And it is very clear that they have talent and potential, and with time they can build on it. But don’t write it all off like it’s trash.

This is a little separate from what I’m talking about here but also not. So the whole concept of “healthy relationship” and “toxic relationship” are good tools to discuss a fictional couple, but quite often and frustratingly, people get stuck in their own ideas and morals. Using your own personal moral compass to look at fiction is okay but it heavily restricts you from seeing the character and story for what it actually is.

Also to be honest, no one person, if you looked at their life deeply enough would stand through anyones’s idea of morality. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that no relationship is a perfect and equal amount of give and take, the way people think it should be. None of us are “healthy”. As long as two (or more) people are on the same page about their dynamics, it’s a good relationship, and they too are ever changing, ever evolving, just like the people involved (BECAUSE THEY AND WE ARE HUMAN).

Even then it takes time to get to the same page and still you sometimes lose it, and STILL none of this constant change, knowing and growing of people in a relationship make it a bad relationship. This is not exclusive to romantic relationships.

Most importantly, characters and humans are very different. Very. They can’t be put to the same tests.