#late seasons spn

[prince-of-elsinore]

later seasons sam is so delicious to watch. he maintains his calm, he's so brave and strong, he's let go of his rage, he's a mature man, he's a highly competent hunter, he's learned to live with years and years of trauma and torture and he loves his brother and the life they've built together soooo much :)

[spiritmunie]

"Dude what's wrong with the old guy sitting over there?" "Oh that guy- I heard he was going through a divorce"

[sweetpapercroissant]

Another thing I will never forgive late seasons spn for is taking the spiciness out of the Lucifer/Michael relationship. Like whatever happened to “I took care of him in a way most people could never understand” or “nobody dicks with Michael but me” where is the POSSESSIVENESS the OBSESSION, the only-I-get-to-hurt-you of it all

[hurricanejane]

Look, I haven't watched supernatural in years and I'm finally going through and finishing it. As of right now I've never gotten past season 9. I'm not delicate about spoilers but I don't go looking for content in the later seasons. Of course I know about Jack but I have no idea who he really is.

Like the way y'all talk about Jack is so funny. Is he God? God/Chuck's son? Is he Sam and/or Dean's son? Is he Cas' son? Is he bad, good, both? No idea. Can't wait to find out. Tell me who Jack is, wrong answers only.

[assiraphales]

the divide between “watch all 15 seasons or else” fans and “only the first five count” supernatural fans is something that isn’t discussed enough

[dykeydean]

i want you.

[spneveryseason]

Who’s post was it that was like. Late seasons Sam is living in a completely different genre than everyone else. I think abt that a lot with regards to his general genre savvy & also the implications of what God wanted to do with his story etc etc…like idk which one is more inherently horrific: either 1. God did this deliberately & separating Sam from the rest of them thru genre was another layer of the torture of it all and a bit of gaslighting thrown in or 2. God never really paid attention to Sam and that shit happened by accident (aka the real situation with the writers). Your fate is to always suffer even when God doesn’t step in to make it happen etc etc

[blacknidstang]

Man i love bitchy sam but i so don't understand how people would think he'd be the same person after eons of being tortured in hell and every god awful thing he went through. Even after s4 sam was never the same. Yes i think the writing could go better in late seasons in many ways but what do you expect even. Plus sam DOES has the sass even in late season, jared still channels it but also like, he is fucked up kicked down and tortured and traumaized man and how do you want him to stay the same cocky bold and bitchy twink he used to be when he was still a baby!???

[futuristicenthusiastlight]

I like this hug amongst the few ones the brothers exchange during the seasons, as it is unexpected. Sam did not expect it, at least.

It should be season 8. Both brothers are tired and broken, for different reasons, and their relationship's being battered from all sides, by Heaven and Hell doing their best to turn their lives upside down.

Dean walks straight to baby brother when he starts talking, apologizing for something. Big brother doesn't want to hear. He wants to feel. As he's not good with words (or, that's what he thinks), he uses his body, his arms.

I love you, baby bro. I'm so happy you're close to me, now.

And Sam, just says yes, big bro, I'm here. I love you, too. Leans into the big arms wrapping around him, and lets his hands close sweetly on Dean's back.

[franklespine]

You know I think you guys might be on to something when you call Sam woman coded cause - genuinely - how do you, as writers of a show, be so misogynistic as to not include any female characters asides from damsels and hookups (specifically referring to the early seasons), and yet need so desperately to have a outlet for macho masculine patriarchy power dynamics that you have an adult male character experience misogyny?? How do you mess up that badly??

It's like, although they thought that putting female characters in the narrative other than to exist as sexy distressed lamps wouldn't appeal to the true blooded 2000s American audience. But yet it was completely necessary for there to be a bottom rung in the masculinity pyramid because - well how else can we as a society function!!

Anyway, ik reading too far into things is my special talent, and in most circumstances all of this stuff is just a joke in the show but wow they really had Dean poking fun of any of Sam's characteristics that don't fit into this Hyper True Blooded American Masculinity ideology as a butt of jokes for 15 years. The fact that he has longer hair, that he cares about his hair, that he's tidy, that he likes salads and isn't a big meat eater, that he's sympathetic, that he's a bitch. And of course these are just silly little jabs that Dean makes in sibling-like fashion but like wow 15 years. Damn.

And of course it's not only this that leads to the rather odd interpretation of a woman-coded Sam, but also the way he is treated directly by the narrative. Like, for example, being the family's possession, rather than an equal member. Dean has seen it as his job to look out for his little brother since he pulled him from the fire and the wellbeing of this infant was thrown onto his shoulders at age 4, and this has created a lot of ricocheting effects on both of them. This isn't to say that Dean doesn't love, care, respect, and value Sam, but it does mean that sometimes he treats him like a possession rather than a person. He makes a lot of crazy decisions in the show that he justifies as being for Sam's own good, even if it goes directly against Sam's wishes. After Sam leaves a note to Dean telling him he's going out for a bit to handle a case, Dean weasels his way in, not trusting him to handle it due to the mental issues Sam is facing at the time, and kills Amy, despite Sam begging him not to. Even though Dean knows Sam would never consent to an angle possessing him, he tricks him into it anyway. He does these things, and many others because he believes that he is acting in Sam's best interests, totally disregarding the fact that Sam has capacity to make judgements and handle the consequences himself, even going so far as to oppose what he directly knows or Sam tells him he wants.

Then of course there is the fact that the fear integral to his character - a loss of autonomy (bodily autonomy, but also autonomy to make his own decisions about his future, to be good, to be pure and faithful), is an explicitly feminine one. Then there is the strong subtext in his story of SA themes, I think in s4 a demon even refers to Sam as a 'whore' or that he's 'whoring it up' (with respect to Ruby), and the interesting prevalent idea of Sam questioning or going against the ideals/ideology of the masculine figure head (which would be Dean I guess) and getting punished for it. Sam suggests that maybe they take a more humanitarian approach with the cow blood drinking vampires in s2 and Dean punches him, Sam tries to get him to talk about their Dad and Dean punches him, Sam tries to get him to talk about Lisa and Ben and Dean punches him, Sam gets caught simply using his abilities and Dean punches him - twice. I think you get the picture.

Anyway. This post comes off as rather critical of Dean, which wasn't really my intention. It's more sort of a broader criticism of the rampant sexism that had its part in shaping the show - being one to come out of the early 2000s. Ideas such as this - you could really go on for hours as its fascinating how ideological frameworks are presented certain ways in media - and the way masculine and feminine social dynamics, to list only one, is presented in supernatural is definitely a can of worms.

[preseriesdean]

DEAN + “SAMMY” in SEASON 15

[bonnie-toyour-clyde]

later seasons Sam slamming Dean against the wall and his back cracks and he moans so loud and obscene Sam’s all cocky like “damn, already?” and Dean’s just like “no man my backs been killing me all week and you just popped it, fuck, don’t stop”

[acecroft]

SUPERNATURAL 5.22

[hauntedpearl]

no but if dean met ron swanson he would bend over backwards trying to prove he was the man™ and would fail spectacularly and then he'd try to kill himself. cas and ron however. instant besties. they don't say a word to each other. this makes dean more insane btw.

[caslesbo]

“you're wrong about humanity. they are your greatest creation because they're better than you are. sure, they're weak, and they cheat and steal and destroy and disappoint, but they also give and create, and they sing and dance and love. above all, they never give up.”

supernatural - season 11

[angelsdean]

remember when ketch was like. no i’m not ketch that was my evil twin. soap opera plots