#magnus protocol theory

[viideo-kidd]

Been really enjoying how the Magnus Protocol has been playing with the idea of ✨️nostalgia✨️. Sam obsessing over the Magnus Institute, Alice wanting to rekindle her relationship with Sam, Celia looking into familiar names from TMA.  Even the monsters are a bit of a throwback - a mascot from a 90s TV show, a member of British aristocracy, [ERROR] with her cassette tapes.

And on a meta level - the listeners are playing into this nostalgia, too. The theories that Jon/Martin/Jonah are stuck in the computer. Our excitement at hearing familiar voices again. Trying to  assign the Smirke 14 to the O.I.A.R. cases...

The thing is - nostalgia is actually just  corrupting everyone. Sam's obsession is putting the O.I.A.R. crew in danger. Alice's attempts at reshaping their relationship to how it used to be is harming her current friendship with Sam. Celia's investigations just keep leading to dead ends.

And us, the listeners, our inclinations to apply the old lore from TMA to this new series...it might be causing us to miss some big clues in Protocol...

so yeah, I just think it's really cool how Magnus Protocol is playing with the dangers of nostalgia, especially considering it's a sequel!

[idkwhyyouaskingm3-blog]

Been racking my brain on why the person emailing Gwen would want Lena out of her position. That's probably why the emailer is sending Gwen this information

But what if that's not that. What if it wants out. It can read stuff on newer tech but it's stuck in the 90s business version of windows.

She gave him a pen drive. It's found a way out. She's basically given Trevor a virus. How bad would FR3-D1 be if it can do more than just witness horrors but create them

[toweringclam]

Okay so theory time.

While the world of TMA was heavily skewed towards fear, I think the world of TMAGP is more balanced. Desire is just as powerful a force. Many of the documents have people destroyed by their desires who never really actually fear it even as it turns them into something abhorrent. Fear is definitely a factor, but if we want to start pinning down Entities, we should start considering Hungers in addition to Fears

[tyrs-right-hand]

Alice has watched someone die. Alice’s parents died while she was dating Sam in uni. Alice likely watched her parents die. But who, or what, killed them?

I was thinking - what if they were killed by an OIAR external? I highly doubt the OIAR ordered a hit on them, but the externals (like Lady Mowbray) are still just going out and killing on their own agenda. Imagine Alice finding out that the office she has worked in for so long (as well as Lena and Gwen!!) have been working in direct cooperation with the monster that killed her parents. Peak workplace drama

[redplanetlobster]

Me after misspelling 'dredgeman' in Google and finding out what a 'draegerman' is:

Anyways, now I have a half formed theory about how Luke just might become a very important character in the near future.

[sapphirenightshade]

I just had a thought about Augustus.

We know what *Elias Bouchard* sounds like,

But we never heard what *Jonah’s* voice sounded like in his original body, since every one of his letters was recorded by Jon.

And Jonny and Alex wouldn’t make it so obvious as to cast Ben Meredith as Augustus, even though by now a lot of us are pretty sure that Augustus is some aspect of Jonah— since Jon, Martin, and Jonah were the three present when the Panopticon fell. Even with the teaser bait of the .jmj error. They still want to make us work for it.

So my current theory is that the three computer voices may not be their full consciousnesses like the implications of the Sergey Ushanka statement, but instead an aspect of each of them, thus allowing us to hear Jonah’s original voice before he started body-hopping.

[daughterofluthien]

WHY is the protocol-verse magnus institute

Specifically, why is it called the Magnus Institute? Because TMA's Magnus Institute was founded by, named after, and run for a century and a half by the OG eye-boy Jonah Magnus.

But in the Protocol-verse, the fears as we know them (probably) didn't exist back when original flavor Jonah was kicking around. And while we do have a few 'statements' from the institute in the Protocol, they all seem to be focused around categorizing items or people for alchemy reasons. And based on the ritual mentioned tmagp 21, the Institute seems way more interested in alchemy—specifically, the Great Work of alchemy, which is what historical alchemists called the creation of the philsopher's stone.

So, given that it's so different in focus and mission from the TMA Institute, why is it still called the Magnus Institute.

Was protocol-verse Jonah Magnus simply involved in a different flavor of weird esoteric BS in this universe?

Or, as is my personal crazy theory, was the Magnus Institute founded by or (more likely) named after/inspired by THIS GUY:

13th century philosopher, theologian, and rumored alchemist Albertus Magnus.

Now, at least according to wikipedia, irl Magnus was probably not an actual alchemist. However, after his death, a lot of alchemical texts were attributed to him, and a common legend about him was that he had actually discovered how to create the Philosopher's Stone.

aka the Great Work aka the thing that the Magnus Institute was also trying to accomplish, and the end goal of their millennium ritual

The only difference between the institute and their namesake being that Magnus actually completed his Great Work, while the Institute was burned to the ground by the OIAR before they reached their goal.

[teepussilakana]

71 hours before next fix (tmagp 25) drops officially

who do we think the Minister is?

[tmp-thoughts]

Theory: Protocol isn't about fears, it's about suffering.

I find this really interesting, sadly I wasnt able to find anything else on this theory searching so im just going to assume the you mean rather than the fear gods feeding on fear, whatever tmagp has feeds on suffering im sorry if im wrong.

I tried to find evidence that makes this theory float although I couldn't find all that much;

Ink5oul likes that look of fear/pain going down and getting her tattoo causes a lot of suffering - this can really go either way for feeding from fear or suffering but its a similar situation if you look at lady Mowbray

The idea that the entities figured out that fear was an unsustainable resource or at least the web knows they will try a different method aka suffering

Lastly I believe that in episode 2 'main adjustments' The lady isn't in fear or feeding fear she is feeding suffering because she is inflicting it on herself and isn't afraid of doing it.

I personally dont believe this theory but here's this I still think fear is being fed off of and now use a different kind of fear than before but still fear. Its still plausible just less likely. And tell me if im missing any evidence for it because I probably am and I'll add it.

[creamyforestmushroom]

MAGNUS ARCHIVES PEOPLE I HAVE MADE A LINK! SPOILERS BELOW THE CUT FOR MAGP 10 AND ALL OF MAG

I assume people have already made this link but I had a revelation while researching for a MAG inspired dnd oneshot I want to run for some friends.

So, in the transcript for MAGP 10, the [ERROR] is credited as being voiced by Beth Eyre. Now, Beth Eyre has voiced another character in the original MAG called Lucia Wright in MAG 130: Meat.

Who else has the last name Wright? James Wright. The head of the Magnus Institute before Elias...

The wiki only mentions that they have the same family name and there's really no direct connections between them BUT what if? I'm happy to hear people's thoughts. Maybe this is a complete stretch

[mrmeeps3654]

Could the “mommy and daddy Stasi” have something to do with the German state security group from 1950-1990? The Magnus institute burned down in 1999 so it’s not a stretch to say the Stasi could have something to do with this. Idk

[didymoceras-was-right]

I wonder if maybe the dread powers are getting mix/matched in a way that reflects the cross-referenced categorization system for each incident. Like getting sucked into the multiverse just sorta jumbled them up.

[idkwhyyouaskingm3-blog]

Is the MP definitely Trevor Herbert or is he the MP in the same way Elias Bouchard was the CEO of the Magnus Institute. I mean a homeless man would be an easy target or body snatching.

[monochrome-sunsets]

THEORY, magnus protocol is the universe jmart and el*as went to after the end of tma. they got stuffed into the computers, in this sort-of-alive-but-not state, forever doomed to keep making statements. jon is chester, as we know by episode one. martin and elias are the other two computer voices, the ones that don't show up nearly as often. in this universe, something happened to the magnus institute in 1999, completely demolishing it. few people know what it is, outside of "creepy abandoned building". this is why there's no mention of the eyepocolypse- it didn't happen in this universe, it never had a chance to.

[tyrs-right-hand]

So the person under the Institute:

Was in the tunnels. The tunnels that lead to the Panopticon.

Emerged from said tunnels into the Archivist’s office.

Had the first tape recorder of Protocol materialise and turn on just for them.

The only person I can think of when I consider all of this is Jon. But it can’t be Jon!

Haha… unless…

EDIT: It has been brought to my attention that Beth Eyre was listed in the credits as the voice of [ERROR]. I’m going to ignore this and continue to be delusional

[the-lesbian-orpheus]

Um big spoilers for the finale of the Magnus archives and the first episode of Magnus protocol but I have a (incredibly uncreative and basic) THEORY

I’m so convinced that Chester and Norris are whatever’s left of Jon and Martin

Like same VAs sure whatever that doesn’t mean anything

But in mag 200 Jon and Martin are theoretically dead or like in another dimension with the fears

And they have this whole thing of whatever happens, it’s together before the stabby stabby-

Anyway

It’s like maybe it’s not exactly them but Chester and Norris are whatever remains. Some part of them. Reading statements forever. Kind of together kind of apart.

And like- the way the computers act like the tapes listening in ajdbjandjajsywurgajsbhs

Also the fact that the voices are relatively recent developments and that Chester and Norris are the most commonly heard voices and Augustus is uncommon. Haven’t heard Augustus yet but maybe it’s someone else they knew, Elias/jonah, Annabel, I guess I’ll see when I get there

But like

I know tmagp has to do with other dimensions so like

Yeah

Anyway

I’m sure this was everyone and their mothers first thought and also that it’s wrong but you know what I’ve never even theorized like this before so imma take the win