So so so so in MAMS catching a hawk is a huge thing and grants status, it lets you fast track to both senior warrior and elder equivalent- like you get to sit in on the council and help make decisions even tho you aren’t elder age yet
(I haven’t reread in awhile forgive my misremembering)
And and in canon Tnp there’s an offline where crowpaw catches a hawk in the old forest using what he learned from the tribe (after the sun drown journey but before the clans leave:
So if your canonlore was to be applied here, would Crowpaw get a rank/status boost? Even tho he’s still an apprentice?
(And would that possible high rank effect later plot, like how clan views him leaving w leaf pool?)
((if you’d rather not talk about crowfeather please talk about some lore that interests you instead)
Hello! Thank you so much for asking, and for your patience while I got around to answering! It’s been a really full-on couple of months between work, moving house, etc., and I haven’t had time for fun things like chatter on this blog.
First of all -- I love this question! It’s always so delightful to me when people dig into these little worlds I’m making and put pieces together without my guidance.
Regarding Crowpaw, yes, you’re basically correct with this guess. If we’re working from a canon where he’s part of the group that journey to meet with the cats of the mountains, and he applies the skills he’s honed when he returns home, I believe he would be able to strike down a hawk.
However. A fun fact about the clan territories as I’m writing them is that there’s actually several species of birds of prey that Windclan would classify as “hawk” (for the purposes of the hawk-killer custom), and they’re not all given the same weight and prestige.
Not counting eagles, which according to Windclan lore no cat has ever killed, the (consistently) largest “hawk” variety is the buzzard -- which you might remember is the kind that Tallstar killed in m.a.m.s. A hawk-killer who brings down a buzzard is guaranteed the sort of significant status + rank boost that Talltail received -- although it’s probably worth mentioning that cats that go out of their way to hunt for glory, especially to the neglect of their actual duties, are scolded, and not celebrated. Hawks (i.e., birds of prey) in the mind of Windclan are symbolic of chance, spontaneity, and destiny, so trying to manufacture success in that way is a bit blasphemous.
After buzzards come goshawks and red kites, but as both species are reasonably uncommon -- and red kites are typically scavengers who avoid the adult warriors where possible, it’s not often that a justified chance to kill one comes along. If a cat does, it’s still heralded with fanfare, praise, and respect, but this instance is rare because of the scarity of these birds and their swift-to-flee nature, rather than the genuine danger presented by a buzzard.
All this to say, in my canon, if I were to write about Crowpaw’s experience, he would have killed a sparrowhawk, or perhaps a kestrel. These are the most numerous kinds of hawks after buzzards in and around Windclan territory.
Given their significantly smaller size and the dimished/non-existant threat they pose to adult warriors (and even apprentices, depending on the size and ferocity of the bird in question), sparrowhawks and kestrels aren’t really viewed in the same way as the others. It’s still an outstanding display of technique and ability, and will guarantee the cat who manages it the -feather (or perhaps -whisker, if that was the preference) suffix without hesitation, as well as the status of such an achievement.
But it’s not going to fast-track an apprentice to senior warrior, or even just warrior if the rest of their training isn’t complete. Whether or not the cat would even be called a hawk-killer for this feat is debatable too, much like how a cat who killed a leveret and not an adult hare wouldn’t be titled as hare-killer.
In Crowpaw’s specific case, I don’t think he would be called hawk-killer -- but I do think that this aspect of his youthful exploits puts him in high favour of the clan elders and Windclan warriors in general. I suspect the forgiveness he experiences after the whole run-away-with-Leafpool situation is definitely granted earlier than it might have been, and in no small way influenced by this event (and also the shelter he’s granted via his father, mother, and mentor’s combined influence as well).
So tl;dr -- Crowpaw caught a sparrowhawk, was praised and lauded for it, and probably given some additional leeway that the average apprentice/young warrior definitely would not have gotten without that feat to their name -- and in his case, literally his name! I feel that -feather was granted to him to reflect his abilities, rather than in memorial of Feathertail. I hope this answers your question!
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Martha Jones - Jesus Christ parallels (never thought i'd write a sentence like this)
there's the other one who has sent me
For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say. (John 12:49-50)
Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. (John 5:24)
I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. (John 5:30b)
I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world. They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him. (John 8:26-29)
[...] for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. (John 8:42b)
etc., and so on...
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