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Dev Journal: Day 2
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t surprised to see some attention already on my post yesterday, and it makes me happy to see some people who are already interested. So I’ll start by saying thanks for the support!
Before I go over the developments of today, I guess it’s worth saying exactly how much time is going into this daily. My routine is getting to my desk at 9am, teaching myself Unity and C# through to about 1:30pm, taking about 40 minutes for lunch, and then Creation Kit from the end of my lunch to about 5pm, maybe 6pm on days that I don’t have anything going on in the evenings. Once I’m done with the Creation kit work for the day, I write, so that I can take screencaps without needing to restart my work environment from earlier that day.
So with about 3 hours of work today, what got done? The full structure is built! There’s no glaring holes into the void, though I did notice that a couple of my tiles are placed a few pixels into another, causing some graphical twitching, but that’s okay, and it’ll get fixed tomorrow while I go about furnishing. I also took the time to place a couple of detail items around, but honestly my brain is fried at this point so I’ll probably go back and do it again later. The only negative result from today is that the two-tier library isn’t going to work with the existing textures, but that’s alright.
So what am I going to show you today? Well... everything. All of the rooms in their minimal state, and maybe I’ll write a brief blurb on the context of each of them and changes I noted to make for myself as I was walking around in demo mode. If you ride it out to the end, there’s a little bit of Skyrim trivia for you too!
The scriptorium will be the main vestibule of this construction. In its finished product, the center of the room will be filled with bookshelves in a classic record-stack format, while desks will line the walls for scribes and researchers alike to study, transcribe, and dispute the works contained in the Vault’s extensive library. While this place has long fallen into disrepair, more magical works like spell tomes, scrolls, or books of particularly important and interesting lore may still litter the desks and shelves of this room. I need to reorient a handful of tiles in this room to remove a couple overlaps, but otherwise it just needs to be detailed.
The laboratory may be a small space, but it was designed that way so the use of the space for long-term experiments was discouraged. The vault was not built to accommodate travelers for weeks on end, but to house them for a few days while they performed their research to take home to their own labs. Of course, some of the librarians held private experiments and studies that were more involved and time-consuming.
Opposite the lab are a handful of quiet cells, used by guests for sleeping accommodations or personal study. The northwestern cell is a communal bedchamber for the librarians, as well as a small section of the room used for the repair of degrading or damaged tomes. During my walkthrough I felt as though the guest cells, and perhaps even the resident cell, were a bit too large, so I may use different closing tiles for the far walls tomorrow before I start furnishing, or make the decision after I’ve furnished one. Also all of these cells still need doors.
This shot is taken from the opposite side of the Special Collections door, where few individuals were permitted. The entrance is off down the left fork of the hall, and to our back will be a reading area for these reserved or restricted titles. Down the corridor lies one more chamber where the head scribe was conducting some interesting research into... well, now, I can’t give everything away, can I?
I suppose that covers everything for today! Tomorrow likely won’t be as long-winded, nor have so many pictures, but I hope you’ll continue to enjoy it regardless. Now, I made a promise of trivia. It’s something I learned today while testing.
Did you know that the standard character in Skyrim, if you were to travel to another map location via the coc command from the main menu instead of loading/beginning a save, is a Nord with iron armor, an iron shield, the iron one-handed weapons, a longbow, and iron arrows - much like the promotional character from the trailers all those years ago? It also means those pesky Imperials took the armor off your back when you got caught up in that ambush. Just another reason to side with the Stormcloaks, I guess.
#skyrim#modding#level design#game development#video games#modded skyrim#dwarves#bookcore#library#magic#die imperial scum#for ulfric#for skyrim#make talos worship legal again
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Stormcloaks or Imperials?
So, obviously the real answer is "who would your character side with?" And really, the negotiated settlement route is the best choice, kicking the can until hopefully either the Thalmor play their hand and piss off the Empire enough to abandon the concordat and legalize the cult of Talos again or the Markarth incident is forgotten and Skyrim can regain the autonomy it had previously. But, if we're applying real-world ideology to a fantasy setting, and if a side has to be declared "right":
The Stormcloaks have a right to self-determination in the face of the Empire's denial of their right to free worship. Skyrim remaining in the Empire would probably be better for the Nords and Tamriel overall, but that can't be dictated to them. "It's for your own good" can't trump human rights.
Yes, Ulfric is racist. Deeply racist, his man Galmar evoking the Ehlnofex race war from literally before the dawn of time. Racist not just against the Dunmer, which is honestly almost understandable (how would Mexico feel about American refugees? Especially if Americans lived a thousand years and most of them were alive for the Mexican-American war?), but actually more racist against Argonians, which is honestly pretty weird. (Why? Because of Umbriel? The Knahaten Flu? That was generations ago. Under Hoag Stormcloak they weren't banned from the city. It honestly doesn't make sense.)
Ulfric did also prompt the crackdown on the cult of Talos in the first place. Remember the Markarth Incident? Reachmen (a whole other issue) took over Markarth, and a militia led by Ulfric took it back and said they would occupy it until the Empire legalized Talos worship. Prior to that, Talos worship was definitely illegal in Skyrim as with everywhere else (play Elder Scrolls: Blades), but it wasn't very strongly enforced in Skyrim. After Ulfric's stunt, it was very strongly enforced. Now, it seems most likely that Ulfric did this because he was stupid -- if he was smart he wouldn't have killed Torygg. It can't be ruled out that he did it to create instability in which he could gain power. But it does seem more likely that he was just stupid. But Ulfric's demands were not unreasonable. He voted Green when he should've voted Dem, in essence, and blew it all up. He wasn't pragmatic, but he shouldn't be faulted for idealism.
(The Altmer in Windhelm do not make Ulfric not a racist by the way; The Pocket Guide to the Empire, I forget which edition, pretty much definitively establishes that most Altmer who live outside of the Summerset Isles are exiles. Ulfric would be predisposed to quite like an Altmer political exile.)
Ulfric is a bigot and frankly a bad leader. It really should go without saying that Ulfric is not the entirety of the Stormcloaks. In Riften we see several licensed Argonian merchants and even landowners fully accepted, and a Dunmer holding a prominent position in Dawnstar even despite his shady past. (The latter might be called a token exception, but you gotta remember every city in that game has like 30 dudes in it so Erandur is like 3% of Dawnstar's population.) The Stormcloaks are united by their cause, not by loyalty to Ulfric. The only Stormcloak Jarl who actually seems to even like him is Skald of Dawnstar -- that's probably because, again, Ulfric is probably stupid, and the Jarls know it. Ulfric is undoubtedly an extremely problematic element of the Stormcloak administration, but not really a very powerful one, and to reiterate, a flawed administration, even a bigoted one, does not exempt its people from a right to independence. (There are some recent real-world examples which I feel it would be disrespectful for me to bring up.)
By the way, this is very different from the American civil war. The Confederacy seceded explicitly because the federal government was trying to remove a form of oppression. The Stormcloaks rebelled because the Empire was reasserting oppression. As evidenced by all the talk from Windhelm's Dunmer and Argonians about "ever since Ulfric came along," Windhelm was not a racist city prior to the rebellion. Ulfric's oppression of Windhelm's racial minorities is less akin to Confederate slavery and more akin to American internment camps in World War Two (which to be clear were very bad, and also very different from fighting a war to preserve institution chattel slavery. All throughout human history you see a flareup of xenophobia during wars. War is bad.)
You can also consider the alternative. From a utilitarian perspective, an Imperial victory is worse because the suffering of two small immigrant communities in one city is replaced with the suffering of a religious group representing something like a third of all of Skyrim. (No suffering is not an option because The Elder Scrolls is diet grimdark.) Again, the negotiated settlement really is the best option, but that's a cop-out, so, Stormcloaks. That said, in most of my playthroughs I went Imperial lol.
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New Skyrim Fanfiction - Your Truth Cannot Stand
Hey, guys, I just dropped my new Skyrim fanfic on my website and AO3! Here's the synopsis:
Ondolemar had spent his whole life believing that hunting down heretics and enemies of the Thalmor was a service to the gods. He never imagined that one strange Khajiit could throw everything he thought he knew into question, and send him on a quest for truth that would end with him trapped in a torture chamber.
You can read it on my website here.
Go here to read it on AO3.
This story ended up being a very personal piece with a lot of timely themes. If you want to know more about what inspired me to write it, the behind-the-scenes info is under the cut. :)
Of all the characters I would've expected to latch onto my mind and not let go until I wrote his story, Ondolemar from Skyrim was NEVER on the list. Erandur, sure - he's friendly, interesting, and complex, with an intriguing backstory and a lot of dialogue. There's a reason I have a partly-finished story about him in my WIPs. But Ondolemar? The leader of the Thalmor Justiciars, whose job is to arrest people for their faith? The arrogant religious fanatic Elven supremacist with just a handful of spoken lines and NO backstory beyond what we can guess from his rank? WTF? It's Tumblr and YouTube's fault. They introduced me to a few voice lines I'd never heard before, because I'd never helped him arrest a guy for worshiping Talos.
After the hostility, condescension, insults and murder attempts I'd gotten from pretty much every other Thalmor I'd ever encountered, I was surprised to find out that: 1. If you've helped him, Ondolemar greets you as "my friend," no matter what race you're playing as. 2. If you've helped him AND you have a high enough speech skill, you can get him to cause a distraction for you during a party. In the Thalmor Embassy, no less. He'll even lie to Elenwen for you. 3. When his distraction gets an innocent human in trouble, he'll immediately take the blame for the incident rather than get said human thrown out of the party, despite his belief in Elven superiority and his moon-sized ego. This, and the fact that he seeks proof before arresting a "heretic", is a surprising contrast to the Justiciars who label you a heretic and try to kill you just because they don't like you. (Sure, you could argue that he isn't legally ALLOWED to arrest Ogmund without proof, but the Thalmor have no problem trying to have the Dragonborn illegally assassinated, so clearly extralegal options aren't off the table for the people Ondolemar works for.) 4. Sometimes he'll comment, "There are so few pleasures in life as fine as your company" - once again, regardless of what race you are. And if you think it's because he's a skilled manipulator, clearly you haven't heard his other voice lines. If you want a brutally honest opinion from a Thalmor officer about the Empire or the political situation, he's the place to find it. This dumbass has precious little filter between his mouth and brain. 5. Whether you've helped him or not, he is happy to chat with you, both in Markarth and at the party. He also seems very sincerely focused on the religious aspects of the Talos ban and the civil war, whereas the other Thalmor make me suspect that it's more of a means to a political end. Combine all of that with my observation that Talos' shrines and amulets follow the same game mechanics as the implements of the divines that the Thalmor recognize, and it made me wonder what would happen if this unusually friendly Justiciar were to be told - VERY tactfully - about the evidence that his faction might be lying to him about a matter of religion. Over a century of indoctrination, his whole self-flattering worldview, and the risk of being killed for questioning his totalitarian government, vs. the evidence. FIGHT. When I first started writing, I'd expected it to be one quick conversation that I just wanted to get out of my head and onto the screen. But then it grew. And grew. I saw a picture of Ondolemar being captured, and I felt that would bring a great new level of emotional tension to the story. So I added it in. While I was writing a scene in which Ondolemar tried to defend his point of view, I realized I was knocking down a strawman. So I looked deeper into the lore about the Thalmor and their rationale and goals. And the story grew some more. Next thing I knew, I'd written almost 35,000 words about a character I never thought I'd give a crap about, and gotten into his head far deeper and more effortlessly than I'd ever thought I would. And the story was still growing. I never would have guessed that he would be a character who practically wrote himself, but he is, and I thoroughly enjoyed writing him.
#Ondolemar#Skyrim#Skyrim fanfic#Ondolemar fanfic#TES#TES fanfiction#Ondolemar fanfiction#Skyrim fanfiction#hurt comfort fic#angst#hurt/comfort#Your Truth Cannot Stand#YourTruthCannotStand
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The Stormcloak Bible DEBUNKED PART 4 (Is Ulfric A Power Hungry Dick?)
In the fourth part of his project of a holy book (http://colonel-killa-bee.tumblr.com/post/69194871525/stormcloak-bible-part-4-is-ulfric-a-power-hungry), the author says why he thinks Ulfric should not be considered just a power hungry dick, but a power hungry good guy (someone who wants power for the sake of his people). But in a nutshell (as I am going to explain) yes he is power hungry and yes... he is a dick. Not JUST a power hungry dick, both power hungry and a dick. Colonel-Killa-Bee’s entire post is based on the idea that someone can not be a “power hungry dick” if he/she trully believes in what he/she says, however the opposite is shown both in TES Lore and real life history. Don’t believe me? Then do some research about the lives of Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler, as these men who arguably became some of the most brutal dictators in history (along with Mao Zedong) truly believed in the ideals they managed to spread, and still did not hesitate to ruthlessly persecute anyone that got in their way, even if the persecuted were part of the groups Hitler and Stalin fought for. In other words Hitler and Stalin were clear examples of leaders who did believe in the causes they fought for and cared about the groups they fought for, but still wanted to do it in a way that gave them more and more power and influence. This is also seen in the Thalmor themselves, as you do not have to be a genius to know that the Thalmor trully believe that what they do is the best for the Altmer (after all they believe the Altmer are superior to all races and the righful rulers of Tamriel), however in the series of books “Rising threat” (https://www.imperial-library.info/content/rising-threat) it is shown that the Thalmor persecuted, exiled and even assassinated Altmer individuals that opposed their beliefs (Legate Fasendil, an Altmer, also reveals this). So the fact that someone believes on what he/she is saying does not mean he/she is not a “dick”.
First the author tries to prove that Ulfric did not assassinate Torygg by using a UESP developer’s comemnts regarding Sybille Stentor’s dialogue. Yeah, Colonel deadass just ignored what as not convenient for him here, but I will get to that later. He then claims that that Ulfric wants to fight for his people, and not only for self gain, by using one of his speeches, and this is one of the most ridiculous ratiocinations one can make. Following this ratiocination, the Thalmor want the best for Tamriel, what is exactly what Elenwen (the First Emissary of the Thalmor in Skyrim) says if the player asks the right question during “Diplomatic Immunity” (https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Elenwen_(Skyrim) ) and seek only to help Skyrim, to guide its people through this time of transition, to help lead them to a better future... what is exactly what Ancano (the Thalmor "advisor" to the Arch-Mage of the College of Winterhold) says if you ask him about the Thalmor (https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Ancano_(Skyrim) ). To SAY something is always easier than to DO something. You judge na individual by his ACTIONS, not by his WORDS (because one that does something will defend it, but one that says something may not want to DO it). With this said: Ulfric says that he fights for the freedom of his people, but when Galmar says “If he is not with us, he is against us” Ulfric will reply with a “He knows that. They all know that”. And if the player does the Civil War questline, Ulfric will soon decide to force Balgruuf to pick a side… all of this while he says he wants his people to be free and while Whiterun was NEUTRAL and Talos worship was even allowed. Before you ask: yes, the Stormcloaks were preparing to attack Whiterun since the beginning, and the proof of this of this is the Whiterun Stormcloak Camp:. Unlike the Whiterun Imperial Camp, the stormcloak camp will exist since the beggining of the game while the imperial camp only spawns if Whiterun is taken by the Stormcloaks and if the player goes to the location before Battle for Whiterun, the Legate will just be standing there due to a glitch (https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Whiterun_Imperial_Camp http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Whiterun_Imperial_Camp https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Whiterun_Stormcloak_Camp https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Whiterun_Stormcloak_Camp), what proves that the rebels were thinking about directly attacking Whterun when the empire was not. And when Balgruuf sees that Ulfric will stop at nothing in order to expand his own position and get what he wants for Skyrim, no matter how much blood is unecessarily spilled, Balgruuf joins the Empire. And before anyone cries about that “Whiterun is on a strategic position! The Stormcloaks need it!” thing, it simply does not matter because, since Balgruuf tries to be neutral, not even the imperials benefit from Whiterun’s position, and attacking it just because it does not support the Stormcloaks is just a way to say that you do not care about the freedom of Skyrim’s people unless it is done your way, that you care more about expanding your territories and winning the war. In other words, it shows Ulfric is an authoritarian ruler that only wants freedom for those who directly support him and his ideals. That without mentioning how Talos worship is supposed to be the main reason of why the Stormcloaks fight in this war, and it was legal on a neutral Whiterun.
After this, the author talks about how simply talking to Torygg would be “stupid”. He says that it would be suicide to try to convince Torygg right at “the belly of the beast”, as he could get arrested for treason. Then we can see that stupidity on this statement: to speak to the High King and try to persuade him at the “belly of the beast” would be stupid as he could get arrested for treason, but killing the High King at the “belly of the beast” was courageous and honorable. Yep, logic is overrated. In fact Torygg’s death just made the war wrse, as it is revealed by Hadvar at the very beginning of Before the Storm: Dragonborn: Who are the Stormcloaks?
Hadvar: You haven't heard of the civil war in Skyrim? I guess down in Cyrodiil people have other things to worry about. It's pretty simple. Ulfric founded the Stormcloaks years ago, as a sort of private army to advance his ambitions. He's always used the ban on the worship of Talos to stir people up against the Empire. He never succeeded in getting much support, so a few months ago he murdered the High King! That got the Empire's attention.
Basically Cyrodiil was barely paying attention to Skyrim’s Civil war until Ulfric killed Torygg, essentially making the war worse than it already was, murder or no murder.
Then the author tries to justify Ulfric by mentioning the Skyrim’s laws and traditions, which I admit woul be a good argument... if Ulfric himself respected such traditions above anything else, but he doesn’t. Don’t believe me? Then lets also take a look at the dialogue between ulfric and Galmar as soon as the player returns to tghe Palace of Kings to finish Joining the Stormcloaks: Ulfric: "Tell me again why we're wasting time and dwindling resources chasing a legend. We don't even know it exists!" Galmar: "The Jarls are upset. They don't all support you." Ulfric: "Damn the Jarls." Galmar: "They demand the Moot." Ulfric: "And damn the Moot! We should risk letting those milkdrinkers put Torygg's woman on the throne? She'll hand Skyrim over to the elves on a silver plate."
And that without mentioning what the man says if you ask him about Elisif:
Dragonborn: Why did you kill the High King?
Ulfric Stormcloak: I killed Torygg to prove our wretched condition. How is the High King supposed to be the defender of Skyrim, if he can't even defend himself?
Dragonborn: Some call you a murderer.
Ulfric Stormcloak: I challenged him in the traditional way, and he accepted. There were many witnesses. No "murder" was committed. True, he didn't stand a chance against me. But that was precisely the point! He was a puppet-king of the Empire , not a High King of Skyrim. His father before him perhaps, but not Torygg. He was too privileged and too foolish, more interested in entertaining his queen than ruling his country.
Dragonborn: And what of his widow? Doesn't she claim the throne?
Ulfric Stormcloak: Indeed, Elisif has become Jarl of Solitude, historically and conveniently home of the High King, backed by Imperial interests. But the Moot has not yet met to name her High Queen. And they won't. Not as long as I have any say in it.
Read the last piece of dialogue again, but slowly. But the Moot has not yet met to name her High Queen. And they won't. Not as long as I have any say in it. So what was it about Ulfric respecting the traditions again? Ulfric directly disrespects the jarls and the moot (which is part of the nord traditions, something Colonel-Killa-Bee admits when he says that “Either Torygg agrees to the duel and he wins, and a moot is held, which Ulfric would have won due to being the winner, since Elisif likely would back down out of fear to him, or Torygg doesn’t accept, and Ulfric has a good chance of winning due to Torygg looking weak“ and that “ Either way if the Empire did not interfere, Ulfric may very well have been the new High King. ” and lets just ignore how Hadvar’s dialogue reveals the Empire barely intervened in Skyrim before Ulfric killed Torygg , or how Ulfric himself does not want the moot to be convened while there are still jarls who don’t support him, completely disrespecting the nordic traditiosn regarding the moot in the process. “Muh but Elisif does the same“ we are talking about Ulfric here, not Elisif, and I am not claiming Elisif would be a perfect ruler (because quite frankly she woudn’t). “This does not sound like the workings of a savage to me. It sounds like one who knows his people’s politics and knew how to play them well.“ yes, one who uses his people’s politics and “plays them well“ in order to try to reach his objectives at all costs, no matter how many people are unecessarily killed in the process. Definitely not savage, is it?
Next he says that Torygg would have never joined Ulfric’s cause thanks to what Solitude’s Court Wizard says, when she says Torygg might have joined Ulfric (even if not the way Ulfric would want him to do), but he acts like if she said that there was no way Torygg would pay attention to Ulfric’s toughts (once again, logic is overrated). This without mentioning that, as the events of TES V show, the Empire does not arrest Stormcloak supporters unless they are actually captured in battle. The proof? Solaf (http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Solaf), Bolund (http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Bolund) and Thongvor Silver-Blood (http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thongvor_Silver-Blood). These three nords live in cities that were controlled by the Empire in the beginning of the game, and none of them hides their support for the Stormcloaks (I know, Thongvor’s brother, Thonar, bribes guards to ignore the Silver-Bloods, but this Family is still the most influential and famous one in Markarth, and Thongvor’s claims would not go unnoticed by Jarl Igmund). But what is that? They are not in jail! How interesting.
The author then tries to say that what is mentioned in “The Bear of Markarth” happened because the Thalmor made Ulfric do it… when in fact Ulfric only joined those nords after Jarl Hrolfdir requested his help. Regarding Braig, I will admit I was previously wrong about what Braig revealed, or Colonel-Killa-Bee’s interpretation of this event, and I have come to hate the Markarth Incident card as an argument on this debate, but this does not make him right because Colonel-’s logic here is “Braig’s daughter was killed after Ulfric was arrested, so what people say about what Ulfric did in markarth are not true”, which is incorrect thanks to some simple facts:
1- The Bear of Markarth is an in game book, and as such it does reveal some important pieces of the Lore unless it is directly contradicted by another book or a non partisan dialogue.
2- The Bear of Markarth is never directly contradicted, and in fact Nepos the Nose’s dialogue reveals that the part of Ulfric executing every reachman officer is true.
Of course these two factors do not necessarily mean that every single word of the book are true, but thanks to what I said I can conclude that, by now, we are unable to know which claims of the book are exegarrated or not, which makes me call using the book as an argument against Ulfric and acting like if there was no way of it being true as pure bias.
And about the “Ulfric misused the Voice” thing: it does not matter much, because by using such power to defeat Torygg, Ulfric intentionally wanted to make the duel unfairly easy at his advantage, which may very well have been the reason some call him a murderer. So even by the point of view of nordic tradition, Ulfric was a coward to do so. In fact it may or may not be against the nord traditions, since the non dragonborn nords have not used this power outside High Hrothgar, as we have no definitive evidence that it is or it isn’t forbidden by now. In fact, even if it is part of the nord tradition it would not justify what Ulfric did, because it was in practice no duel. Think about it: no one that witnesses the duel, and not even Ulfric himself, claim that Ulfric and Torygg engaginh on clashing and slashing of steel like Ragnar the Red and Shield-Maiden Matilda, Kjoric the White and Asurn Ice-Breaker or Jorunn the Skald-Prince and Fildgor Strong-Prince did (for more information on these last two duels, read https://www.imperial-library.info/content/crown-freydis and https://www.imperial-library.info/content/brothers-war), all that is mentioned in game is Ulfric using the Thu’um to have the upper hand against Torygg, regardless if Ulfric used his sword to deliver the killing blow or not. If they had ended up fighting blade to blade, it would be mentioned by someone somewhere... but it isn’t. Thanks to this, I can conclude that Ulfric used the Thu’um at the very beginning of the “duel”, before they had the chance to fight blade to blade. In other words: in practice it was no duel but an execution, what certainly contributed for some to claim Ulfric murdered Torygg. Now had Ulfric spared Torygg just like how Jorunn spared Fildgor and demanded a new moot, all of this could have been avoided and the war could cave ended there, but as it shows rational thoughts are far from being a characteristic of Ulfric Stormcloak.
Next he says the author of “The Bear of Markarth”, Arrianus Arius, supports the Forsoworn, when that is actually not true (and shows Colonel-Killa-Bee’s stupidity and how he does not properly interpretate a text, at least when it is not convenient for him) if we actually read the book in wich he shows his findings about the Forsworn: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/madmen-reach if we read the damn thing we can see that everything he said is that it is innacurate to say that the Forsworn are “bandits”, since they do not care about gold and only claim to be able to rule “their lands” once again. Arrianus Arius was not justifying the actions of the Forsworn, but explaining them (it’s different). Personally I am no fan of the Forsworn, but it is interesting how the logic of the Forsworn is similar to the logic of the Stormcloaks. Think a bit: “You want to know who the Forsworn are? We are the people who must pillage our own land [...]We are the true sons and daughters of the Reach. The spirits and hags have lived here from the beginning, and they are on our side” this part was taken directly from the book; "This was our land. We were here first. Then the Nords came and put chains on us. Forbid us from worshipping our gods. Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own. That is who we are. The Forsworn. Criminals in our own lands. And we will cut a bloody hole into the Reach until we are free."- Madanach. Do these dialogues remind you of a certain line of dialogue heard in the Palace of the Kings? Not making any theory here, just make your own conclusions about this part.
#Ulfric Stormcloak#Speech#Liar#Hypocrite#Whiterun#Balgruuf#Empire#Talos Worship#Torygg#Duel#Sybille Stentor#Thum'm#Unfair#Coward#Barbarian#Murderer#Nonsense#Markarth Incident#The Bear of Markarth#Jarl Hrolfdir#Braig#Forsworn#Thalmor#Elenwen#Ancano#The Stormcloak Bible DEBUNKED
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The Stormcloak Bible DEBUNKED PART 6 (Alduin’s Return was A Prediction, Not A Condition) and Bonus (Conversations in the Blue Palace)
In the sixth part of this “bible” (http://colonel-killa-bee.tumblr.com/post/152899906440/stormcloak-bible-part-6-alduins-return-was-a) the author talks about how Ulfric’s actions did not trigger Alduin’s return. Some people agree with him, others don’t. If you ask me I say it is more likely the Stormcloak Guy is right Ulfric did not actually trigger Alduin’s return, but at this point I honestly couldn’t care less because triggering or not, the masive ammount of nord souls going to Sovngarde as a result of this war, that Ulfric started, only made Alduin stronger, as Ulfric himself realizes and admits if Windhelm is captured by the Legion before the player travels to Sovngarde (” Skyrim was betrayed, the blood of her sons spilled in doomed struggle against fate. And so in death, too late, I learn the truth - fed by war, so waxed the power of Alduin, World-Eater - wisdom now useless. By gods' jest in this grim mist together snared, Stormcloak and Imperial, we wander hopeless, waiting for succor.”)
Now, just to not make this post awkwardly short, I will talk about some of his points in “Conversations in the Blue Pallace” (http://colonel-killa-bee.tumblr.com/post/153270228020/conversations-in-the-blue-palace):
First we have the meme (the most obvious part). Well, Elisif was Torygg’s wife, and Torygg was the High King. The High King deals with problems about every of Skyrim’s aspects daily and as his wife (a wife that loved him and was loyal to him) she would liikely know a thing or two about Skyrim’s problems and how Torygg was dealing with them. “But she is too young and unexperienced” you say, well: 1- We have Ulfric to blame for her being the Jarl in the first place because Torygg would still be alive if it wasn’t for him; 2- Elisif constantly relies on the advices and opinions of her Thanes, Erikur and Bryling, to rule Haafingar. She may be unexperienced as a jarl, unlike Ulfric, but as it shows she is no fool, unlike Ulfric.
Conversation 1: Just what was he waiting for? One needs soldiers to fight on a war (and in this case a war that is only happening thanks to the Stormcloaks). And "For those that thought only Ulfric was struggling to protect his people because of this war" looks like a very childish argument as both sides are struggling to protect themselves and so it does not prove anything.
Conversation 2: It is funny how Colonel Killa Bee just conveniently assumes Bryling is right about Tullius, despite how Hadvar says that he has turned things around for the Empire. I smell bias here.
Without mentioning that he put na arrow in his own knee when he wrote this, because even with Tullius underestimating the Stormcloaks, they were barely able to fight legions made of locally recruited and unexperienced men... only for Ulfric to get captured on an ambushed orchestrated by a General who supposedly underestimates the Stormcloaks... and it is not like Galmar Stone-Fist claims that the Stormcloaks are getting massacred (For those that thought only Ulfric was struggling to protect his people because of this war on "Conversations")
Conversation 3: “This is useful for anyone thinking Tullius has any respect at all for Skyrim and their Jarls.” yeah right, Killa Bee, keep telling yourself that while Tullius reveals the complete opposite if Windhelm is captured by the legion (”Can't say I'll ever get used to the damn cold, or understand these Nords... but I've come to respect them. The harshness of Skyrim has a way of carving a man down to his true self.”) Indeed Tullius could be more respectful, but by the other hand Elisif can not simply expect her to be able to talk to him exactly when she needs since there is a f*cking war going on. Also I can see some hypocrisy here, as The Stormcloak Guy justified the attack on Whiterun thanks to it’s strategic position (it was literally the first think the guy told me), and f*ck the fact that Balgruuf did not allow the legion in the hold and how Talos worship was legal there, but condemns when General Tullius cancels an appointment with Jarl Elisif. Who needs coherence anyway?
And in the other dialogue he put himself into a dead end: Tullius refusing to make a parade in the middle of a war eighter means that Tullius disrespected Elisif by refusing her request OR that Elisf’s idea was a bad one since the war was still going on. And also: does he really expect anyone in Skyrim to be the encarnation of perfection? I wonder if he is so detailist when it comes to his “True High King” (sarcasm, of course he isn’t). And without mentioning that Elisif lost her husband a short time ago, thanks to Ulfric, so we can not expect her to always be able to think properly while General Tullius fights against the one who killed her husband. All of this mess is Ulfric’s fault, but no lets blame Elisif for having to pay for what Ulfric did!
Conversations 4-6: The legion would not need all this money to spend on the war effort if it wasn’t for Ulfric and his poorly tought actions (Alvor says that everything was fine until the Stormcloaks began agitating). Without mentioning that if the empire wins, Solitude will surely be able to safely trade and get profit again, but Elisif can not just order Tullius to stop fighting thanks to that.
Conversation 5 was another arrow on the author's own knee. This is the war that the rebels started and that Ulfric made worse after killing Torygg. Solitude's resources andf manpower are only being drained thanks to the war the Ulfric and his army started and Solitude is just trying to defend itself (remember that Hadvar reveals that Ulfric only really caught the Empire's attention when he killed Torygg, so Solitude was for the most part just fighting by itself).
About the last one: must I repeat what I talked about how those soldiers are dying only thanks to Ulfric’s rebellion? Also he once again shot himself when he showed Elisif saying “I’m aware of that, Bolgeir, and I appreciate your dedication. However, if we lose the war, the guardsmen of Solitude will make little difference in the end.”
It looks like The Stormcloak Guy keeps blaiming General Tullius for taking a great part of Solitude's men and resources for the war efforts while he does not give a crap about how Ulfric is doing the same thing on Windhelm to the point of the guards being barely able to investigate murders on the city. It is like "Oh this is done by who I support and like? He is right because it has to be done... of wait this is done by who I oppose and dislike? What morons! Only a heartless monster would do such a thing!", and lets not forget how Brunwulf reveals that “The war took a heavy toll on Windhelm's resources” if he becomes the Jarl of Windhelm. In other words, this Colonel Killa Bee’s post was pure hypocrisy.
#Ulfric Stormcloak#Prophecy#Blue Palace#Jarl Elisif#General Tullius#Skyrim's Civil War#Stormcloaks#Imperial Legion#The Stormcloak Bible DEBUNKED
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