#minecravenger

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The MinecrAvenger situation.

Preface: I run a little MCSR News stream once a week/fortnight which gives credit to small streamers who have got a PB. This is usually pretty fun, lighthearted - but we also cover serious topics, including cheaters. I try to stay as neutral and unbiased as possible, but I have no media training, and if I mess something up - I'm sorry.

Recently; MinecrAvengerYT 's first ever 1.16.1 Minecraft Speedrun PB was found to be Spliced. This means he cut two different runs together - he had already played the seed, and recreated it, while removing the loading screen. On inspection of frames, it's clear to see - notice the timer discrepancy, and mouse movement in these subsequent frames.

However, the initial suspicion didn't come around from his Random Seed times, as this 22 minute PB was good for the time, but not impossible. This was because Eric wasn't a master of Random Seed Glitchless, instead specialising in the Set Seed Glitchless category, where runners play the same seed over and over to improve micro-mechanics, such as fast looting chests, crafting and placing blocks.

MinecrAvenger held the World Record multiple times in this category, with one peculiar run standing out, labelled "the fastest perch ever witnessed", where the Ender Dragon perched to the fountain in an abnormally fast time.

To ensure I don't get into too much technical detail that I am probably not qualified enough to talk about, the perch was seemingly impossible due to the height of the node that the dragon circles, and has yet to be recreated without the use of commands in-game. It has however, been replicated through command blocks; but this suspicion never really arose to anything - as this run was 2 years ago.

Recently, however, the Minecraft Speedrun moderation team had felt suspicious of his recent Obsidian rates from chests in the Set Seed Glitchless categories, for 1.15 (an older category).

On this older version, chest loot was different everytime a seed was recreated, and speedrunners had to obtain at least 21 obsidian in Blacksmith chests to be able to have a chance to complete the run, as well as have a good dragon perch time.

This chest loot, when analysed was shown to generate a higher rate of obsidian than normal for Eric; similar to Dream's pearl and blaze rod rates 2 years ago. The mods have calculated a figure in the region of 1 in 27 billion for this, however Minecravenger claims that this may not be fair - due to the "cherrypicking" nature of the runs. There are only 290 chests opened in a 37 minute VOD, making it a small dataset.

On the topic of Dream - MinecrAvenger was the first person to publicly call out Dream's modified luck, sparking many to now label Eric as being a hypocrite, calling Dream out, after having already cheated himself.

The final hard piece of evidence comes from the mod team's confusion regarding Eric's seemingly increased obsidian rates. In 1.15, all of the loot is generated according to a specific "Structure Seed", which is replicable - of which there are 2^48 possible layouts of chests. Matthew Bolan, a head mod from the Minecraft Speedrun community was able to code a program to check each structure seed against previously suspicious chest loot from MinecrAvenger's streams, and there were two anomalies.

This chest is NOT generatable in Vanilla Minecraft on the seed which was being played, which has lead the mod team to revoke MinecrAvenger's access to the Speedrunning Leaderboards. Eric still claims that the only cheated run was the splice from 2 years ago, assumedly putting these other discrepancies down to glitches in software.

Hopefully that explained in some more detail (with pictures - to help with the text wall), I'm happy to explain anything in replies and stuff because I'm always open to trying to help people understand more about the Minecraft Speedrunning community :) mcsr is super friendly and I urge anyone who's interested in this stuff to come and check us out! we dont bite :)

TL;DR - Eric, who called out Dream, cheated 2 years ago, and potentially still is.

> edit: i've been seeing little screenshots of chat messages from my chat today which have all been pretty damn funny - i've definitely given my opinions on dream in the past, and i've apologised for my fair share of bozo takes. we grow - and i hope im growing too :)

[bioluminescentfrog]

THEYRE BROTHERS???

[mimikyuvelcro]

The guy who spearheaded the "Dream cheated at Minecraft Speedrunning" controversy was just caught red-handed cheating at Minecraft Speedrunning and is acting exactly like how Dream did. (Denying it and generally not acting maturely.) Funniest shit I've seen all week.

[awesamcozy]

god i hope this doesn’t backfire on dream cause of how people r being on twitter rn lmfao 😭

well let it be said i was the whistleblower but its not MY problem as soon as it hits twitter thats THEIR beast to slay. smiletwt rake it in our man is in the same cheater corner that this dude is about to be booted to

[viky-somebody]

damn nice twice making a video summary of all the runs his brother cheated in?..

[felinedetached]

sorry okay i’m never going to get over how a specific subset of dream fans are talking about the minecravenger thing bc like. dream did also cheat, and did also spend months insisting that he didn’t cheat. dream’s fans did harrass the mcsr community for years afterwards. we still regularly get shit from dream fans (even more so now with the minecravenger thing) and by shit i mean to the level of being spammed gore and sent death threats & suicide bait. 

minecravenger being called out isn’t karma. he didn’t make a false accusation — unlike, i will add, dream, who DID falsely accuse someone of cheating previously. i dont think people know what karma means 😭

also like the amount of people i’ve seen who are like “omg i can’t believe nobody cares about this like the only people talking about it are dream stans” - bitch the only reason you know about this is bc the mcsr community did an incredibly in depth investigation into his cheating and into the mechanics of the game that would prove he did shut up omg

[couripacepals]

Hello to all followers of Couripacepals.

A few days ago we posted an announcement about a pre-1.9 set seed world record by Minecravenger.  Minecravenger has just been formally accused by the speedrun.com mod team of having cheated multiple of his other runs, including at least one other world record.  He’s been banned and all of his solo runs are going to be removed from the leaderboards.

So we’ll be taking that post down.  Minecravenger is well known enough in the community that we thought we shouldn’t let this go by without saying anything.

Here is the formal announcement from the mod team.  The situation is also currently being covered by Fulham on MCSR news if you want to find out more.  https://www.twitch.tv/fulham

[zero-cycle]

WHO NOMINATED ERIC MINECRAVENGER FOR TUMBLR SEXYMAN

[dteamain]

No, anon is right. MinecrAvenger cheated on so many speedruns in such egregious ways it's hard to see him even attempting to make any sort of comeback.

Man, a Foolish and Dream speedrunning stream would be such fun :)

yeah it's truly fucked up that anyone would want MinecrAvenger back in the community :/

anyway, foosh and bagel duos speedrun WHEN

[patchesjam]

Also just an aside dont know if you care or he ever checks anything but fulham has a tumblr account

yeah i have him blocked here lol i think i broke news on dteam tumblr about minecravenger or whatever his name was back when that happened and he interacted with it and i freaked out and blocked him immediatly

[hermithomebase]

ok but we really should normalize making fun of minecravengers like the dude was so fucking petty that everytime his brother set a new record he'd cheat to beat it by a few seconds. like jesus christ that is so fucking petty

and then he had the GALL to recognize one (1) of the many methods HE deployed for cheating, did the goddamn math across fucking hours upon hours of streams, and decided the only one who can cheat that way is ME and started the whole debacle by dragging it into the public (because the mods were privately investigating until he put out the first video about the speedruns dream did). and then went surely this will not bite me back despite my far more obvious insane egregious cheating

it’s so crazy to witness in retrospect because it’s like.. how the fuck would you not think that was gonna come back to bite you. the internet has truly gassed up crazy ass peoples egos bc they won’t go to bat for dream even against genuine psychos like THESE are the people you’re letting drag this guy. get a grip.

[getwoold]

dream stans need to stfu on the minecravenger tweet holy shit these people are dumb as rocks

[tinamybeloved]

Wasn't aware he just flat out ignored dream cheating metions since I don't really read chat much, also wasn't aware about his response to the drituation (nice to know though, feel like that was the best response possible).

I have heard him make a few cheating jokes, mostly about whether or not one of his own runs could be verified (due to stuff like relogging to fix piecharts or whatever) and a few about minecravenger (like minecravenger considering his runs cheated[i feel like there is context here that i am missing])

Yeah it’s kind of funny idk if he does it entirely on purpose or if he thinks it’s just not that funny but he’s been in vcs before where dream speedrunning jokes are made and he donowalls 💀. The minecravenger stuff comes with fein being on the team of moderators that proved he was cheating and also having called into doubt sketchy stuff like one of his first records that had a “dolphin dive” impossible dragon perch.

[awesamcozy]

And fuck his dad too. fuck the drather, fuck his ex, fuck his therapist, fuck john swan, fuck kaceytron, fuck minecravenger, fuck mizkiff, fuck god and all living creatures ,

[dreamhot]

i watched a video today of a guy i used to actively watch over five years ago, react to the minecravenger thing and he just talked about how he doesn't understand why dream wasn't cancelled for cheating and that he literally got famous for cheating on a speedrun and just. oh boy

how do people still cling to it

whoever made that video deserves to be shoved into a locker for being a turbo nerd

[ranboo5]

KJOBST VIDEO ON MINECRAVENGER BROTHER IT'S OVERRRR