#no one takes the references in the spiderverse movies seriously

[shadowjinx626]

Person A, after seeing the Mario movie: Omg, look at all these easter eggs! This movie is so cool!! IT's a masterpiece!!! Person B: I mean the easter eggs were nice, but it made the movie feel like a commercial. Person A: Omg, it's just a kid's movie! Why you gotta take it so seriously? Months later... Person A, after seeing Wish: Omg, this movie is nothing but easter eggs! And they're trying to make a Disney cinematic universe!! This movie is so terrible!!! Person B: The easter eggs are just references and jokes. They're not meant to be taken seriously. Person A: Omg, stop defending Disney you shill!!!

[myersesque]

hey can you info dump about hobie to me please :D

hello!!! sorry this took me a while to get around to, i got SO nervous that i'd get smthn wrong n an army of comic book dudebros would emerge from hell to smite me down - but then i remembered that i don't care and hobie is fun to talk about, so hello!!!

[quick note before we start: hobie will be referred to as either "hobie" or "spiderpunk", for the sake of not being confusing, since there are 47385783643 spidermen in existence. yes, he prefers "spiderman" and initially took spiderpunk as an insult, but as of his latest solo run, the battle of the banned, he really could not care less n actively refers to himself as spiderpunk. i'm noting this now so i don't get 50 people correcting me in the replies lmao. i also don't hyphenate spiderman because i'm lazy]

you didn't ask for anything in specific so i'm gonna just Keep Going until i lose steam, hope that's alright!

first things first: hobie isn't an original character created to be spiderpunk! he's actually a variant of hobart "hobie" brown, earth 616's prowler, which i think has a LOT of interesting potential for btsv, if you catch my drift:

why did they choose to make him a hobie variant rather than make up a new spiderperson? who knows! could be that they saw how painfully fucking close hobie was to his "capitalism is the real enemy actually" breakthrough before deciding to become a supervillain about it; maybe it's easier to get comic book nerds into new stories if they're vaguely familiar with one of the characters involved. who knows. i can't actually find any source on this one.

(interesting sidebar: in the spiderverse movies, peter b parker is from earth 616, and intended to be a direct page-to-screen adaptation of classic comic book peter parker - which makes me wonder how he reacted to meeting hobie for the first time. i doubt we'll ever see that first interaction, but it's cool to think about!)

spiderpunk's design actually originated as concept art for spider-UK, as drawn by olivier coipel (the punk movement is often credited as having started in the UK - more accurately, by black british punks, using elements of jamaican reggae - so it makes sense that they explored a punk angle for spider-UK at some point). they felt it didn't fit the character, but still loved the design, and so they wrote an entire character to fit around it! (that's also why hobie is often portrayed as british despite being written as american in the comics - his whole concept is essentially a love letter to black british punks, and tbh even when i'm reading the comics i pretend he just ended up moving to new york from london bc i cannot imagine him as an american lmao sorry)

a lot of people who learnt of hobie from atsv seemed surprised that he's genuinely punk and not just using the aesthetics - but, like, he's genuinely punk, guys. he lives in a fascist dystopia (the spider that bit him was irradiated from all the toxic waste the government illegally dumps) where norman osborn is president of the united states (and referred to as "ozzy osborn" lmao) and also a massive fascist dickbag (and venom's current host!). he then proceeds to beat said fascist dictator asshole to death with his guitar! by which i mean quite literally hit him so hard his organs come out ✨

(like - i saw someone theorising that hobie would be the twist villain of btsv and actually just using miles for his own benefit, and i had my own little "he would never fucking do that what the fuck 😡" moment before realising that they were probably just some 14 yr old kid who's never seen hobie before and is trying to come up with a dramatic twist. so i'm not taking it to heart! but please know that it was very bad and incorrect, hobie is a real one and would never 🫶 /lh)

if you get a chance to pick up any of his comics (or, uh, discover them in alternative ways, wink wink nudge nudge capitalism is a prison but seriously please consider buying them from small local comic book stores if you do - that way your money goes to an actual local business & the writers rather than a massive chain store corporation) then i highly recommend - not only are they super fun, but they're gorgeous,

(i know that the covers are always rendered differently to the actual comic pages but i just needed you to all look at these images, please, especially all the intricate details on the second one. i literally paused midway through reading my comic to stare at that cover with hearts in my eyes. he's so cool i adore him)

and they're also full of lyrical references to punk music, such as these (the first two off the top of my head - there are TONS more):

and they're pretty dang diverse, too! including, like, explicitly and undeniably queer characters (note: there's been a lot of misinformation spread around - hobie and karl (captain anarchy) aren't explicitly confirmed to be anything but platonic friends. karl DOES have a boyfriend whom he is explicitly romantic with, but it's not hobie! he's still totally queer though and nobody can convince me otherwise), which is pretty neat.

this isn't really relevant to hobie in specific, but it's part of his universe and i'm a massive daredevil fanboy, so i NEED you to witness his daredevil variant, mattea murdock:

tumblr isn't gonna let me add any more images (sob) so i'm gonna try n wrap this up fairly quick !!!

lightning round of just. fun and unfun facts, i guess:

hobie's homeless and lives in a community centre with the rest of his band

iirc "spiderpunk" was essentially his equivalent of "spidermenace", which he eventually adopted for himself because, well. they aren't wrong. (he got the name for the obvious reasons of his style and politics etc, but also because he can be quite brutal when he needs to be - see norman's very bad no good day above.)

his band is referred to as both "the spider-band" and "the daredevils" (after meeting mattea), which made my little daredevil fanboy heart soar a little ngl

in spiderverse specifically, hobie took 3 years to animate due to all the specific ways they stylised him and his movement! i am not an animator and cannot put it into actual technical terms so here's a tweet of one of the animators discussing it for anyone who's curious :]

he has a van called the spider-van, and sings the spiderman theme song at it sometimes ("🎶spider-van, spider-van, driving cross-country as fast as we can!🎶") which is ADORABLE. i love how cool he is in atsv but i need you to understand he's a DORK he's a NERD

another one for the dork point: he doesn't swear unless he's yelling at fascists (he's instead prone to a good "frick" "heckin" "motherlovin" etc). which i realise is probably just comic book censorship and them only being able to get away with a certain amount of tastefully censored swears and gore before someone gets in trouble and/or has to bump up the age rating, but also it drives his bandmates INSANE so i like to think he just does it for a giggle tbh. again, massive dork

and finally, to end things on a fun note: his current solo comic writer, cody ziglar, made him an official spiderpunk playlist so maybe we can stop having pointless playlist discourse and let people have fun!

i hope this infodump was alright and didn't disappoint fjdnfjfn!!! i definitely forgot (and/or ran out of space for) a bunch of shit but that just means i get to do this again, so :]!!!

[historylovesmisery]

Legacy AU

This is the whole summary so if you want to continue reading, go ahead. By the way, this is a spiderverse AU and mostly based around the spiderverse movies and some references of the comics

Earth 21002

Miguel O’Hara and Lyla Wayne had three kids before they were killed. Lyla is a human and his rich wife, not his AI.

Miguel O’Hara, was still Spiderman in the year 2099, but his main job was being the CEO from Alchemax that he inherited from Tyler Stone. He married Lyla Wayne so he could get his inheritance quicker but slowly, they both fell in love. They have the same personalities as Earth 928B Miguel O’Hara and his AI, LYLA. Lyla’s parents, her father was a fire brimstone preacher and her mother was a detective, Lyla was also a genius and Miguel was a person that commanded respect. They were both killed in the middle of the night by some kind of monster. 

They had three kids, a boy, a girl, and a genderfluid kid. Connor, Gabriella, and Alex. Alex was the oldest, Connor was the middle, and Gabriella was the youngest. Alex and Connor are twins while Gabi was a singular child and is the last. Alex is the prodigy, they were the one to inherit and handle both Alchemax and the Strike Force of heroes that Miguel formed. Connor is a photographer and a whistleblower, he works for WikiLeaks, travels aeound the world but has an underground network that helps to get private information and government classified secrets. Gabriella is a coach on Harvard’s soccer team and is a professor on history, World History. 

Ever since Alex and Connor were 5, they were being signed up in etiquette classes, private school, martial arts classes, and many more like music, arts, dance, etc., Gabriella was also signed up in those same classes when she was 5 and Alex and Connor were 10 years old. 

Alex is genderfluid and Aromantic, Connor is a cis straight man and Gabriella is a cis pansexual woman. Alex and Connor are both 30 years old and Gabi is 25 years old. Alex uses they/them pronouns, Gabriella uses She/They pronouns, and Connor uses He/She pronouns. Alex has no significant other and so does Connor. Gabi is in the dating scene but none that is serious.

Alex is strict, stern, cold, stubborn, and is mostly done with Connor’s bullshit at times and Gabi’s shenanigans. But they still love them very much. Connor is a mischievous slutty cunning stealthy man, seriously, like this man is a fucking whore. He is an ally though, To be honest, Alex and Gabi are both convinced that Connor is a closeted Bisexual for how many times he had flirted with men and women without hesitation. Gabriella has a personality of the sun shining, she is funny and loves to team up with Connor when it comes to Operation; We both gonna get killed in our sleep, which is a stealthy mission in pranking Alex. 

Alex was the one who saw their parents’ dead bodies on the night they were killed first and immediately had to cover up Connor’s and Gabi’s eyes and make up an excuse that their parents were both still asleep and went back to bed, Connor and Gabi went to bed and were asleep peacefully while Alex was still scared and is traumatized. Alex immediately called 911 and told them not to wake Connor and Gabi while the police investigate and try to solve the mysterious death of Miguel and Lyla O’Hara, the case shut down 2 years later and was deemed unsolved. Miguel O’Hara and Lyla O’Hara nee Wayne died when Alex and Connor were both 11 and Gabi was 6 years old.

Alex always had to be a perfect and strong protector for their siblings, they promised their Papa and Mama that they would always protect and take care of Connor and Gabi. They made that vow when Connor was a clumsy kid and Gabi was a helpless toddler. Alex became the second parent for Connor and Gabi since their parents’ death, raising them, taking care of them, and helping them with homework and other life stuff. They forced themselves to grow up and are very paranoid for Connor and Gabi now. 

Alex lives in their parents' manor, Connor usually stays at motels and doesn't have a permanent place, and Gabriella has her own house in a nice suburban neighborhood. Alex’s canon event had always been the death of their parents. 

[lushthemagicdragon]

On Deadpool, WandaVision and Breaking the Fourth Wall

Hey pals, let’s talk about breaking the fourth wall / extrapolation of meta information in multiverse universes--say, the Marvel cinematic vs the xmen films vs the comics. Actually, let’s talk specifically about the Marvel multiverse. 

I wrote you an essay, just go under the cut it’s shiny.

As a general rule, suspension of disbelief works better on paper than it does on video. Heroes was an excellent example of this problem. This was the first time TV show was made directly based on a comic book format, trying to emulate a comic book format. The ship sank when they tried to keep comic book pace, and to play by similar rules. Long story short, this is because the way our brains consume literature and comics is different from how we consume photographic media like movies or tv. Video, like photography, convinces the brain that it's depicting reality even when we logically know that it isn’t. Therefore, unless the rules of the video/TV world are well established as being different from our own, we apply to it our own real-world understandings of what is possible. We are able to follow the fantastic more willingly when we're imagining it (because we’re reading it) instead of seeing it with our senses. 

Breaking the fourth wall and/or being self-referential is extremely tricky on video media because you're forcing the audience's brain to acknowledge that this is fiction, which can cause some cognitive dissonance if the goal of your show/movie is to create second world immersion. Sitcoms are good at breaking the fourth wall because, with laugh tracks, live studio audiences, and a general lack of real-world consequences, our brains understand that it isn’t real. Generally, they’re not trying to fool us into believing that they’re real. Still, if Chandler Bing suddenly turned around and made eye contact with the camera, that would be weird. It’s not established in that particular sitcom world that they understand that they’re fictional. Fresh Prince on the other hand, did that all the time. 

But we’ll get back to Sitcoms, because WandaVision. As opposed to most sitcoms, most serious dramas and adventure-thrillers are trying to create a very different vibe. In order to function, you have to be fully engaged, and have to completely believe the second world you are currently in. Otherwise, the emotional experience falls short. Tonality must be consistent, whereas sitcoms can get away with having the odd emotional moment surrounded by a laugh track. 

Marvel is very weird when it comes to second worlds and believable experiences, because Marvel films, tv, and comics are all existing in the same multiverse but with wildly different tones. If you try to wrap your head around all of it as one body, it can give you a headache. Which is why I find it so interesting whenever they try to be meta. 

The MCU as we understand it is presented as a realistic second world. Yes, it's fun action adventure with magic and superheroes, but presented in a way that feels real, and rationalizes its reality. It explains with technobabble and sciencebabble everything that it's doing. It wants to feel real. There are a few examples of comedy in the MCU (AntMan, Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor Ragnorok), but their silliness can for the most part be explained away. With the latter two, they take place in space, with aliens, so our brains allow that as an explanation of wackiness outside our own reality. For Ant-Man, honestly I think it was a brilliant idea to make it a comedy because there was no way that film would have succeeded if they tried to make the audience take Ant-Man seriously on screen. I love Ant-Man, it’s a spectacularly made film. But I digress. Importantly, even though they’re funny and campy, they never lose their sense of realism, with emotional anchor points to keep them grounded.  When these characters are in an ensemble, they lose their high camp aesthetic and become part of the realism whole. 

Even when they say in the MCU, Oh look at this I am an action figure, I'm in comic books, it's presented as in-world realistic. These people are famous now, and they're real life superheroes, so obviously action figures and comic books are being produced about them. It all makes sense. Even the X-Men films, for as camp as they are, do this in their own realism bubble. I would argue the X-Men films actually do it better because you don't have to suspend as much disbelief to believe mutation as you do to believe in a super suit that shrinks people (I love you Small Rudd). 

Things get weird when the fourth wall is broken, and the multiverse is acknowledged, because the marvel cinematics have done an excellent job of creating stable second worlds. The Deadpool films, the prime example of fourth wall breaking in Marvel films/tv, are excellent because they go whole hog into breaking the fourth wall and acknowledging how ridiculous it all is. But it works for two reasons. 

1. Deadpool is the only person in the entire movie that acknowledges the fourth wall (I am pretty sure, it’s been a while since I’ve watched them but I am pretty sure). Because he alone is aware that he's a fictional character in a wider fictional universe, it's not weird when he references his actor being the green lantern or talks directly to the camera. It’s exactly what we expect from him. With Deadpool, we're in on the joke but no one else is. And that's funny. 

2. The tone of the Deadpool films is always funny and stupid. Even when it gets serious, that becomes the joke. There is no cognitive dissonance because it's consistent. See: Sitcom Logic. If the tone is light, breaking the fourth wall doesn’t jarr quite so much. 

3. Deadpool is never in the other films, and MOSTLY, the characters in Deadpool (beyond the odd brief cameo) aren't in the greater universe (I say mostly because of Colossus, but he was in one movie ages ago for like ten minutes it’s not the biggest deal). It's consistent, and it doesn't become confusing because it's contained in itself as a weird fourth wall bubble on the side of the greater universe. Anything that happens to characters in the Deadpool films will not carry over to the more serious timeline. 

There is one place in which I would say that the Deadpool films miss the mark, and make a mess of things. By making that one joke where young 90s xmen from the newest film are behind a door and shut it before he turns around, a wrench is thrown in. The weirdness of the Deadpool films suddenly is an issue because the question is asked: Where do the Deadpool films sit in the timeline? The answer is that the Deadpool films don't fit anywhere in the established XMen Cinematic Timeline, and the big mistake was having a group of characters from an xmen film on screen at the same time even as a gag. In this moment, the Deadpool films are very suddenly part of the greater universe, rather than a sidecar referencing what’s going on inside. By doing this, Deadpool is not the only character breaking the fourth wall. Now the physical world is breaking the fourth wall. And our brains will try to make sense where they cannot make sense.

But anyway for the most part, Deadpool does an excellent job of it by being a weird little fourth wall meta bubble on the fringe of existence. Wandavision though, that gets weird in a different but also very fun way.

The reason why the first 3/4ths of WandaVision work in terms of being meta-referential and also occasionally breaking the fourth wall is because 

1. genre and tone. It sets up from the beginning, this is a sitcom world, not gritty realism world. We get sitcom world, we know what to expect from sitcom world. We can laugh along with the laugh track when something odd or silly or referential happens, and accept it as truth, because a sitcom generally does not pretend to be reality. 

2. Whenever the fourth wall breaks in a way that doesn't make sense, it's intentional. Wanda reacts accordingly. Something goes weird, she fixes it. When something goes weird for someone other than Wanda (Say, the Vision), the integrity of this sitcom world is called into question in an intentional way that tracks with what is actually going on in the gritty-realism world (acknowledging that we’re in a bubble within a bubble). This camp sitcom world breaks the fourth wall within itself, not to us. Billy talking to the screen isn't talking to us, he's talking to the imagined viewer in-world. 

3. Most of the meta-references are either subtle enough to be Easter eggs (like the kick-ass reference) or exist solely as fun gaffs that have no consequences and are never acknowledged as being meta (the Halloween costumes). I say most, because there is one big meta-reference that I think was a mistake, and where it kind of starts to fall apart in my eyes. 

As much as I adore Evan Peters’ Pietro, as extremely happy as I was to see him on this show, this particular meta-reference was done in a way that breaks the second world illusion, because they pointed a big red sign at a meta reference and then tried to explain it without breaking into the multiverse. 

The thing about breaking the fourth wall and meta-referencing is that it has to be toungue in cheek to be sustainable. Our brains are accepting that this reference is for us, but to make it a serious part of the story requires an answer to the question: why? By explaining that actually, this fake Pietro was Ralph the whole time, a real person who exists in this gritty realism universe, the illusion of tongue in cheek is gone. Suddenly, there is a person who brings into question the entire structure of the second world. Because this second world does not have access to the multiverse (Into the Spiderverse is wholly its own thing), it doesn't make sense that this random guy who happened to be used to play Pietro looks exactly like Pietro from elsewhere in the multiverse. It stops being fun, and starts becoming confusing, and we start trying to find answers where there are none. 

IMO, two ways to solve that problem. 1. never explain it. If you never explain it, it's just a weird meta reference for us that also exists in Wanda's fake-world that is in itself accessing the multiverse (see: the costumes), without touching the realism world outside the bubble. 

2. What I'm now calling the Taika Waititi method. Give a nonsense explanation told with a straight face as a brush-off. Say, Wanda asks Agatha who this guy is, and she says something along the lines of, oh I don't know I just pulled some random Pietro out of the universe, I never met the guy I had to improvise. 

Anyway I still give WandaVision an 8/10 and an A for effort. Pulling off multiple tones and multiple second worlds simultaneously without even explaining it away with the multiverse is fucking hard, and they did a pretty good job all things considered. 

And if anyone is interested in wtf I'm talking about re: second worlds, I highly recommend Tolkien's essay On Fairy Stories which pretty much defines how fantastic fiction works.

[chameshida]

Watched Raya!

and I’m so happy! As SEA, I’m happy that this movie turn out this great! I haven’t had this much fun in the theater since idk, spiderverse?(*haven’t watch Souls and Wolfwalker is not in the theather. Frozen2 Incredible2 Rlaph2 httyd3 aren’t good) It’s a pretty solid fun time!

not without the problem though, the dragons are still pretty wack, there are some VERY jaring editing here and there, and the tone/joke balance is...very not good...like at all. and like if we taking all the cultural reference too seriously then there’s something in the message(becoming one) that is kinda big yikes but idk if I think too much about it

Sisu designs once we get used to it in the movie it’s fine I guess :/ (but she’s kinda very annoying). seeing her move around in the surrounding and her sillouhete starts to look more like Naga or my head just made that up to cope. BUT SPOILERS ok so people said that she looks like mlp character right? and I was like “duh because of kirin it was what she’s suppose to based on” but then Pretty boy green dragons and his gang of sisters show up and I was like “Ok they’re totally mlp characters” XD

Other than that The score is 10/10

The movie before it is 10/10 I cried

and Rayamaari is totally canon

Final verdict 8.7/10

[burritodetodo]

An Underrated Medium

On the 91st Oscars ceremony when the Best Animated Feature was introduced, the announcers said animation represented a “simpler time” referring to childhood. That is a big error because cartoons aren’t only a kids game but an underrated medium to tell stories because of that conceptual mistake.

Animated films started alongside the first big Hollywood blockbusters. Mickey Mouse, Betty Boop or Popeye were on the same time as legends like Charles Chaplin, Rodolfo Valentino or Bela Lugosi. Animated features were on shorts or on ambitious creations such as the awarded Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs or Fantasia. The following years, animated shorts were used for propaganda on WWII or to simply entertain people like Woody Woodpecker or Looney Toons. Even Tom and Jerry won several Oscars on the 40s!

This medium kept going on theatres while television was interrupting on entertainment. Many movies were done, from 101 Dalmatians to Ralph Bakshi or Don Bluth classics back in the 80s. Until 1991. The Beauty and The Beast was in the Best Picture lot. Even two years before Who Framed Roger Rabbit? innovated with a full length film mixing live action with animation into a comedy and winning an award. 10 years later, Animated Films got its deserved award and Shrek had been the first to won it. Disney/Pixar, with 12 statues, remains hegemonic, but there were acknowledges to Ghibli or Aardman.

TV animation was not only for kids. Between 1960-1966 The Flintstones aired on the US prime time and was one of the most viewed series. A record held for 31 years until The Simpsons surpassed them as the longest animation on prime time. Both series concieved with adult themes mixed with entertainment, down to earth and nothing related to 22-minutes-commercial-like cartoons in the Eighties.

Animation is not exclusively for children like old geezers in the Academy and executives want us to believe. At present there are lots of TV shows and films for both audiencies. Kids can be entertained with situations shown while adults too and also can get the pop references or things that happen in their lifes.

Only in ten years, there were Disney/Pixar movies like Inside Out, Wreck It Ralph, Wall-E or Zootopia that broke that wall imposed by executives with some adult situations or post-apocalyptic scenarios. Or The Lego Movie, which is a huge pop culture salad that is very entertaining. Kubo has a classic story that is enjoyable and beatiful to watch because of its style. And the Oscar winner of this year, Spiderverse, that combines a solid story, great voice acting, a tremendous mix of visual styles and animation techniques and excellent music.

TV is facing a golden age of animated series for kids but for adults too. Even the PG group has examples of cartoons meant for children but grown ups can enjoy either. In this decade we had Gravity Falls, a constant adventure full of mysteries and clues in its episodes; Regular Show was a sitcom about two young adults escaping job responsibilites and dealing with their lives as they grew up, among other moments; Adventure Time is an epic tale that could be a story told by Vikings or the Greek Homer which explores from the different corners of fantastic Land of Ooo to the dungeons of teenage years and labrynths of existencialism; or Steven Universe, a sci-fi story that broke down gender barriers and brings in LGBTI main characters.

Adult animated series divorced from the long running Simpsons, Family Guy or South Park to bring us shows like BoJack Horseman, Rick and Morty or Big Mouth. All these last shows express on their own style social problems, adult situations or even philosophical and existencial questions. Networks took note that they have an audience who grew up watching Nicktoons and What a Cartoon! on the 90s and are now young adults and now they are greenlighting tons of animated shows or rebooting classics, like Animaniacs on Hulu.

Cartoons are meant for everybody, not kids only. It is a medium that can have the seriousness that is believed live action series has. It has aesthetic resources that couldn’t be used in live action. Good big stories can be told too with even far more possibilites. Besides, people who work there can be persons like you and me, on their 20s, 30s or 60s. It is a job like any other with an extra because it is specialized.

If execs take animation more seriously, it would have the reputation it deserves and not be just a “throwback to past”. Give it a try to this medium that year by year broadens.

Was it clear or should I make a doodle?

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[dont-doubt-dopple]

BBS Spiderverse AU (Continued)

Here are the rest of the main BBS bois for the Spiderverse AU. I’m honestly surprised at all the love it’s received so thank you!! Just a reminder: anyone can take this and run with it. I definitely cannot do this justice. Just please tag me so I can see are your wonderful works!! And if you want to add anyone else, go for it. If you want me to do anyone else or simply ask questions about this, hit me up. And without further ado, enjoy!

Brock/Spider Dad - Half the words out of his mouth are puns and you expect him to be anything but Spider Dad? He’s so … soft with babies even if they love playing with the Mohawk sticking out the top of his sunset suit. Somehow still really shy? Both IRL and Hero form?

Brian/Spi-borg - Hybrid name between Spider and Cyborg. I mean, he’s got the terminator eye thing and the metal spider legs and self built webshooters like come on. Think there’s a theory somewhere that he’s more like Batman than Spider-Man. But he’s not. He’s just a broke cocky Irishman who really likes old movies.

David/Dog Spider - Always has two dogs with him: Joe and Tony. They’re his most affective weapons because they cute and adorable and oh god they actually attack me if I’m bad. He even has a built in backpack for swinging around with them because how else? Surprised nobody knows who is due to his Irish accent and use of his actually dog’s names. Everyone knows they just don’t say anything.

Anthony/Spider Panda - He protect, he attack, he ain’t afraid to show you his nut sack. Closet you will ever get to an R-rated Spiderhero. Lot of confidence and suggestive humor. Seriously, do not mess with him if you want a chance at getting monetized. Also there’s a lot of rage there to so don’t ... poke.

Tyler/Spider Pig - STOP SINGING THAT GODDAMN SONG FROM THE SIMPSON MOVIE I WILL SHOOT YOU. Yeah, theres quite a bit of rage there. Does still have the pig aesthetic thing going despite introducing himself as Wildcat and being so done with the Spider Pig thing. Huge softie and prefers groups despite hating people.

Mini/Meme Spider - Be prepared to deal with outdated vine references and memes galore. Completely understands the fact that he is annoying and will use it to his advantage. Really sweet though and loves using what popularity he has to support causes he cares about.

Scotty/Stealth Spider - Not many people actually know he’s a hero? And he doesn’t have a costume? Then again, who needs one when your insane bad luck always lands you in bad situations and you can go invisible. Bad guys hate him because they’re all confident and then suddenly there’s web in their face and they’re being arrested.