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Hey, I was just wondering what age you thought Derek was in season one? Cause it’s a heavily debated and unknown piece of information. Me personally I always thought he was 19 in the pilot, and this was before I had read anything about the writers wanting him to be that age in the pilot. It was just the way he acted, to me, it doesn’t seem like a mid-20s man. Also stiles says the fire happened “ like ten years ago” but then a few episodes later Peter says he’s been in a coma for 6 years. So I was just curious what you thought. Also stiles saying that is always made out to be taken as it literally happened exactly ten years ago, and people always bring it up but they never talk about how long Peter said it had been.

Sorry if this is long I just enjoy your blog and your thoughts. I wanted to share mine while also hearing it from your perspective. Hope you have a wonderful day, you deserve it!

This is a very tricky subject to handle, because the writers made mistakes in their own timeline so they switched things around.

But in the very first episode Stiles says that Derek is only a few years older than them. I always figured that Derek was around 19 in Season 1, while Stiles was 16.

The reason why they messed everything up so horribly is because they hadn't actually created a timeline for all the events when they started writing, and to me, it made the show feel like a fan fiction writer who was just making it up as they went and then all the reviewers were saying, "Hey, you have a few continuity errors," and instead of trying to make it work, they just made something up and didn't really try to go back and adjust anything.

There's a scene that happens when Stiles is asking Peter and Cora about Derek's past (Season 3, Episode 8 "Visionary"), and he is trying to find out how old they are, and this train wreck section of dialogue occurs:

Stiles: Okay, if Derek was a sophomore back then, how old was he? How old were you? ...How old are you now? Peter: Not as young as we could have been, but not as old as you might think. Stiles: Okay, that was frustratingly vague. How old are you? Cora: I'm seventeen. Stiles: See, that's an answer. That's how we answer people. Cora: Well, seventeen how you'd measure in years. Stiles: Alright, I'm just gonna drop it.

This dialogue made me so pissy when I heard it the first time because I knew that this was the writers' response to the viewers and fans. The fans are Stiles in this conversation, and the writers are Peter and Cora being purposely "frustratingly vague" in the hopes that we'll just "drop it", which a lot of us did because they wouldn't give us any straight answers.

They messed up and they know it.

In my head canon -- because it makes the most sense to me -- Derek is three years older than them. Canonically, Derek is actually only ten days older than me, as seen in this enhanced screencap right here (from Season 1, Episode 11, where Kate has him kidnapped and held up in chains):

So according to this he would have been around 22, about to turn 23 in the first season...but here's something to take into consideration. This driver's license isn't for California -- it's for New York. I have a theory that he got a professional fake I.D. so that he could do more jobs (such as bartending) while he was out of state.

Now, when Stiles mentions the fire was "like, ten years ago," I genuinely think that he was just generalizing. Derek was sixteen when Kate took advantage of him raped him, which means that the fire happened when Stiles was around twelve/thirteen (as he has a canonically April 8th birthday, so it all depends on the months).

Regarding anything Peter might have said...please remember that it has been firmly established in the show that Peter is an unreliable narrator. Stiles openly admits that to Cora in the previously mentioned Season 3, Episode 8, "Visionary".

A lot of these issues are because of the lack of consistency from the writers.

I think the biggest problem was when they cast a younger Peter and totally threw the timelines off, trying to make him only a few years older than Derek -- which he wasn't. Peter is Derek's uncle, for crying out loud! The man would have been in his late twenties, early thirties when Derek was a teen, barely looking any different than he does in the show...and yet the writers and producers thought that making him look almost like a teenager was the right call.

I do think it was a last ditch attempt to try and make Derek waaay older than Stiles because they didn't like the shipping -- but they had already established too much of their timeline at that point and simply messed up and didn't have the guts to admit it.

Simply put, I genuinely think Derek was nineteen and turned twenty during season one.

Hope that answers your questions, anon!

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Teen Wolf and Lack of Character Development - Scott McCall

Incoming Rant: Re-watching the first season of TW I have realised why I never felt that Scott was The Hero of the story even if the writers did not stop hammering the idea that he was pure and perfect and always right. He never sacrifices himself. This is a classic of fiction, the hero will always be the one who makes the greatest sacrifices for the common good and for those they love, renouncing happiness, normality and even their own life. 

But Scott never does that. Even in the first season this is very clear. The first few episodes emphasise that playing lacrosse and dating Allison are things he wants, but are dangerous to himself and those around him. The narratively logical thing would be that, after a period of selfish refusal, he would realise that the right thing to do is to give up what he loves until he has better control of himself and his new powers, sacrificing his temporary happiness for the good of others.

Instead, the narrative rewards Scott with control gained through Deux Ex Machina and not hard work, he gets to date Allison and becomes a Lacrosse star without sacrifices and therefore doesn't grow or evolve at all. This keeps up for all 6 seasons. Meanwhile, everyone else around him is constantly sacrificing their safety, sanity and even life for the common good.  And ten years later in the movie nothing has changed. Scott’s still not the one performing the sacrifice, he's still not the hero yet. He gives nothing, but the narrative rewards him with true love. Meanwhile Derek gives his own life to save those he loves he is The Hero.

So. Yes. To all of this.

I have made a countless number of posts about Scott’s development. Specifically, his lack of development. The writers had every opportunity to make him a decent character -- and Posey could have performed it and done everything at least moderately well -- but instead, they caved into Jeff Davis’ whims.

There were other writers in the room who should have held Jeff accountable and written Scott as a proper hero: a hero who sacrifices his own selfish wants for the greater good.

They do not have the right to tell us not to like characters such as Stiles or Derek more because they were the ones who wrote those characters using the hero’s journey narrative that they very easily could have written for Scott...but they didn’t. When the creator of Teen Wolf speaks up against those fans, he has no one to blame but himself and the other writers, and to say anything to the contrary just makes him look like a hypocrite.

You cannot expect your audience to believe your main character is a hero when you do not give them faults to overcome and make them a better person.

They wrote Scott as never taking consequences for his own actions -- instead, they had everyone else suffer the consequences of his actions and had them clean up his mess and deal with the repercussions. (not going into detail here because I have already done so on many other posts)

But when you show characters such as Stiles and Derek dealing with complex emotional and physical traumas and then doing things to try and improve themselves, while also dealing with their own mistakes and growing from them...but then don’t hold your main character to the same standard, how can you be surprised when no one relates to them? The accountability for Scott’s lack of accountability can be traced right back to the writers’ room.

I genuinely could have liked Scott. In fact, when he was being sweet and helping his mom, I loved him! He had the potential to be a fantastic main character...but the writer’s neglected their responsibility as writers.

To put it simply: the writers suck.

The only reason the show lasted was because they had good cinematography, and they brought on some experienced older actors into the cast, and they had two natural talents on screen: Dylan O’Brien and Tyler Hoechlin.

That’s it.

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Vince Mattis looks like Dylan O'Brien. No wonder Hoechlin chose him specifically

He literally looks like Derek and Stiles had a kid:

Stiles' nose and jawline. Derek's cheekbones. Stiles' moles and ears. Derek's eyes and eyebrows. Stiles' mouth. A combination of both Stiles' and Derek's hair.

Like...SERIOUSLY.

Hoechlin knew exactly what he was doing.

There is no mistaking that he is their kid.

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Hii!!! How are you? Hope you are doing okay? I have read all your teen wolf meta and I loved it. The writers really tried so hard to make people love Scott and did other characters dirty.

Derek is not creepy in the first season, he is just looking out for himself and making sure that Scott doesn't die. What about when Scott kidnaps Liam? Isn't that creepy?

I'm doing great, thanks for asking!

No, Derek is not creepy in the first season. He had just come back to Beacon Hills after spending time with his sister out of state dealing with the emotional fallout of watching most of his family die in a horrific fire. If he had been perfectly well-adjusted, I would have thought that he was a sociopath, to be honest. Instead, he is focused on trying to rebuild a pack.

Derek didn't go about it in the right way, necessarily, but he was trying to do what he knew and what he had been taught. It's always important to remember that he wasn't trained to be the alpha--his sister was. Derek was working with limited knowledge and skills.

Most importantly, Derek gave each of them a choice.

Scott--on the other hand--had full knowledge and skills and still bit Liam and turned him and then kidnapped him.

He was acting out of impulse and not considering anyone else's circumstances, leading him to creating a ragtag group of "friends" that he emotionally gaslit into helping him. By making them feel guilty and beholden to him because he was a "true alpha" (gag), he used them to do his dirty work.

Unlike Derek, who was willing to put his own life on the line to save the members of his pack. And he did put his life on the line for them, several times in a row.

Scott did not.

Seriously, it's like the writers weren't even paying attention to their own writing, I don't what the hell was wrong with them.

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It could also be theorized that, as it was Peter unreliably narrating all the Derek stuff in Visionary, that OF COURSE the vain bastard would imagine himself as still looking like he did in high school when he was inappropriately hanging around campus to influence Derek with his bad advice.

Absolutely!

And this is why fans are so essential for fixing what writers mess up. We're able to see the whole story after the fact and able to fix the areas where the writers didn't even try.

If we constantly remind ourselves that Peter is an unreliable narrator, then anything he says or tells us about the past is always going to be skewed, even himself.

He was actually one of my favorite characters in all of teen wolf, I just felt that he was not utilized enough in the show, and should have been in more ways. He was a wonderful morally gray character that they really could have used more to their advantage and I genuinely think that he could have been redeemed, as well.

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Scott Was Never the Hero

Incoming Rant: Re-watching the first season of TW I have realised why I never felt that Scott was The Hero of the story even if the writers did not stop hammering the idea that he was pure and perfect and always right. He never sacrifices himself. This is a classic of fiction, the hero will always be the one who makes the greatest sacrifices for the common good and for those they love, renouncing happiness, normality and even their own life.

But Scott never does that. Even in the first season this is very clear. The first few episodes emphasise that playing lacrosse and dating Allison are things he wants, but are dangerous to himself and those around him. The narratively logical thing would be that, after a period of selfish refusal, he would realise that the right thing to do is to give up what he loves until he has better control of himself and his new powers, sacrificing his temporary happiness for the good of others.

Instead, the narrative rewards Scott with control gained through Deux Ex Machina and not hard work, he gets to date Allison and becomes a Lacrosse star without sacrifices and therefore doesn't grow or evolve at all. This keeps up for all 6 seasons. Meanwhile, everyone else around him is constantly sacrificing their safety, sanity and even life for the common good.

And ten years later in the movie nothing has changed. Scott’s still not the one performing the sacrifice, he's still not the hero yet. He gives nothing, but the narrative rewards him with true love. Meanwhile Derek gives his own life to save those he loves he is The Hero.

My reply to all of this?

Pretty much everyone else in Teen Wolf has been a hero in the show, and it has never been Scott.

We have so many other characters sacrifice and give up so much of themselves to Scott’s crusade, and to his illusion of power as a proverbial “True Alpha” (I throw up in the back of my throat just writing it), and we never see any of it acknowledged by anybody, let alone Scott.

As I have rewatched the series, it is glaringly obvious that Stiles is the true main character of the show. He is the one who pushes the narrative the most, he is the one who digs for the information when no one else will. He drove the entire narrative of finding out the truth about Derek’s past, about Malia’s past, about Kira’s past, and even about Theo (god, I hate his character, too).

Scott's actions throughout the years are completely performative and nearly always in his own self-interest. He coerces, guilts, and emotionally manipulates his "friends" throughout the show all in some perverse power play.

Derek, on the other hand, risks his life over and over again for not only his pack, but for Scott, too. Derek was willing to die for his pack, whereas Scott couldn’t even be inconvenienced by them getting kidnapped, assuming that they were already dead and not even wanting to go after them. Derek not only put his life on the line for his pack time and time again, but he also chose each one of them and gave them the option to say no to the bite. He made it appealing, yes...but he still gave them a choice. Scott never did.

Scott has never been the hero.

Ever.

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One of the few things I liked about Teen Wolf: The Movie is that it implies that Stiles cut ties with Scott. I never really liked Sciles' canon friendship, because Scott treats Stiles (and Kira, Allison, Derek, Liam, Lydia, Malia, Isaac, Boyd, Erica, etc) like shit and no one calls him out on it in the show. After everything Scott did to Stiles in Season 1&5, I wouldn't blame Stiles for choosing to get rid of Scott's toxic presence and for not keeping in contact with him

True.

Stiles pretty much was treating Scott like a reluctant ally at the end of the show, anyway, so it makes sense that he would cut ties with him.

I fell asleep while watching the movie (and I never fall asleep while watching movies, so that should tell you how bad it was), and have decided that it wasn't worth the money that they spent on it. Who the hell signed off on such a bad script, anyway?

I honestly don't know how Scott was being responsible at any point, and he really seemed to be the main cause for most of the problems that were going on.

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The Crap that is the True Alpha Plotline in Teen Wolf

Can someone explain to me what a “true alpha” is in Teen Wolf please? I see it all the fucking time (always delusional Scott McCall and Tyler Posey stans using it to prove that Scott is superior and smarter and better than everyone else and blah blah) but I have no idea what the fuck it means

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Okay. Here we go.

Apparently (according to the writers), a “True Alpha” is when a beta werewolf becomes an alpha without killing, and instead through their own sheer strength of will, and that somehow makes them “better” than other alphas (stronger, faster, etc.).

It is the biggest bullshit that I have ever seen written into a show.

I did an entire post about how it was the equivalent of handing Scott a “get out of morality jail free” card. I honestly feel that they wrote it into the show to try and salvage Scott’s character because no one was liking him anymore, and all the fans really wanted was more of the side characters. (that’s what happens when you write better side characters)

It was a pathetic, half-handed attempt to try and make the main character special and likeable again, and it failed at both.

Also, that entire plot line was one of the worst bits of acting I’ve ever seen. Look, Posey could have played Scott as sweet and bumbling and I would have loved the character! It would have been great if they had leaned into Scott’s caring side as we saw how he was with his mom in the beginning, so it would have made perfect sense! Posey was great at playing sweet and trying too hard, but putting him into a position to play a morally righteous powerful alpha was just a hard pass.

I honestly think Scott would have been likeable if he’d been more of a himbo. I liked him as a himbo in the beginning because it was the perfect foil against Stiles’ shrewd and silently malicious nature. They could have done so much with that...but instead they turned Scott into a self-righteous prick, who was all “I’m the True Alpha, and other people can deal with the consequences of my shitty, under thought actions on their own” kind of guy.

So, to sum up, a True Alpha is a douchecanoe -- it is the cheap, crappy tampon of writing, trying to soak up all of the character deficits of Scott McCall that the writers decided not to address or fix by being better writers.

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If you could do one thing differently in each season of Teen Wolf characters and storyline wise... what would they be, and why?

Okay, for Season 1, I would have made it so that Scott would have listened to Derek and taken responsibility for his actions. Also, Stiles would have worked with Derek to help keep Scott under control.

In Season 2, I would have had Stiles' spark more explored, as well as the possibility that he was meant to be an emissary. This would have opened up the plotline to make a connection between Scott and Derek's plot lines by having Stiles unsure about who he is supposed to be an emissary for.

I wouldn't change too much about Season 3, it was pretty consistently awesome--but I would have removed the True Alpha storyline completely! Instead of that, I would have slotted in more of a friendship between the three main female leads: Lydia, Allison, and Kira. By having those three interact more outside of the male characters, we could have gotten an incredible powerhouse.

Season 4 is an interesting one. We have the introduction of Malia, so I would have had her connect more with Peter (because more of that character was much needed) and there would have been no romantic interest between her and Stiles. Kate Argent would have stayed dead and never come back.

I would have had the nogitsune briefly return in Season 5 just to kill Theo and to let the audience know that it wasn't entirely gone, and then to have brief flashes of it through the season, quietly killing off the enemy in secret as Stiles and the nogitsune would have worked in collaboration. It would have added a great layer to Stiles' character.

During Season 6, I would have brought back Derek to be the one to remind the group of Stiles' existence after he was taken by the Wild Hunt. And the writers would finally confirm that Stiles was Derek's anchor.

Wow, that took a lot out of me. Hope you enjoy!

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I wasn't referring to the panel, but to to something he said in an interview they just released. I'll send you the link and the transcript of what Hoechlin said (plus my own comments to it) via submission if that's okay with you. Feel absolutely free to post it and add your own thoughts and takes if you feel like it! I love hearing/reading them 🥰 My Sterek and Hobrien heart is so full of my god

Oh. OH!! I know what you're referring to!

The way that Hoechlin desperately was trying to find a way to mention Dylan; specifically around the fact that the actor who plays Eli Hale reminds him of both Dylan and Stiles.

HOECHLIN: I was very grateful for not just getting a producer credit, because I really wanted to participate. So reading with Vince and doing the callbacks on Zoom. Just for me, it always felt like...there's something I wanna say about Vince and the way he plays a character. Can I say who he reminds me of a little bit? DAVIS: No. HOECHLIN: No? Okay... *laughs awkwardly*

Jeff was gritting his teeth and giving him this side eye, and even said out loud that Hoechlin couldn't say anything.

That was a trip.

And I love that Hoechlin keeps on pushing it. He's being listed as a director, and now I know that the only reason why he signed on was if he could have some creative control over part of the narrative because he knows his fans.

He knows that there are so many people who don't want to watch this movie because Dylan isn't going to be in it, so he keeps on pushing the envelope, to try and remind the fans that don't want to watch it that if they do decide to watch it, that someone is in their corner--that he is doing his best to bring as much of Dylan and Stiles' spirit into it as he can.

Hoechlin has a show of his own that is still going strong--this implies that he possibly has financial leverage on Davis.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason the show went forward was because Hoechlin signed on and brought some financial backing, hence the reason why Davis actually allowed him to be so involved in the casting.

We all know that Hoechlin has loved Dylan and the character of Stiles ever since the first season, so I am counting on his passion for both the actor and the character to come through in his choices for casting. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the one who asked Dylan personally to borrow the jeep, because I can’t see Dylan taking a phone call from either Davis or Posey...but he would definitely take a call from Hoechlin.

Yeah. I have some vague hope.

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Remember when Alan "I promised Talia to look after her son" Deaton told Derek to trust Scott even though he knew that Scott was going to violate Derek?

DON'T. GET. ME. STARTED. ON. DEATON.

I have so many problems with his character. Alan Deaton was a man with his own personal agenda who never went out of his way to help anyone, unless it furthered one of his interests.

He was supposed to be an emissary, but the fact that he ignored Derek and didn't reach out to him the instant that he came back to Beacon Hills tells me that he was a horrible emissary. He never did his job, he never tried to be who he was supposed to be, and he neglected to reach out to Stiles, as well, when he realized that he had a spark.

He showed throughout the series that he only worked with Scott because he wanted something from him.

I just have a lot of personal bias when it comes to his character because I hate the way that he treated Derek and the way that he dismissed the people that really mattered. He was well-written if the goal was to make him an untrustworthy character. Otherwise--no.

He used Derek. He used him.

Ugh.

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STILES: You gotta see this thing. I've been up all night reading. Websites, books... All this information. SCOTT: How much Adderall have you had today? (Teen Wolf 1x1, "Wolf Moon") / This is one of the first interactions between Stiles – a neurodivergent boy – and Scott – a neurotypical one – in the show. The fact that Stiles ignores and tolerates Scott's toxicity instead of telling him to fuck off proves that he's used to Scott mocking his ADHD, and the unique way Stiles' mind and brain work

As someone who is actually diagnosed ADHD, you have no idea how angry I get when it's treated like a punchline by writers who think it's funny to use humor on something that's actually incredibly difficult to deal with that interferes with daily life.

The writers constantly treated Stiles like someone who was uncoordinated, and his neurodivergence was turned into a joke.

Actually, one of my favorite lines in the entire show actually has to do with this. When Coach talks about Stiles, he says: "So, Stiles: great kid, zero ability to focus, super-smart, never takes advantage of his talents."

Now, why would he struggle to take advantage of his talents?

Being ADHD with a high IQ, I can tell you that this has been a constant struggle my entire life. My brain works at an insane speed, but I can't keep up with it, and so it's always incredibly difficult to buckle down and get things done.

However, in high tense situations, when my adrenaline is pumping, I become incredibly focused and am usually the only calm one. It has actually been researched, and the research shows that people with ADHD are much more reliable in emergency situations than those who are neurotypical. People with ADHD are dopamine deficient, and so when we are in high stress situations, our dopamine levels of rise to what they should be in a neurotypical person, and we become incredibly functional and decisive.

Stiles has spent all of his life with Scott in school and social settings, where he seems constantly distracted and, despite trying hard, working below his potential...

...But when shit hits the fan and the whole werewolf stuff starts?

Suddenly Stiles is the only one with a level head when everything else is going completely crazy--he's the one talking all of the werewolves down from making stupid and bad decisions, he's the one that's keeping everyone in line.

He then proves time and time again throughout the show that he is the only one that can be consistently relied on in an emergency...all because he is neurodivergent.

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Everyone says that Scott McCall had no character development, and they are absolutely right. Because his character didn't need any development! He's the one developing Derek, Kira, Lydia, Allison, Malia, Isaac, Liam and Deucalion and making them better persons. Y'all need to stop acting like Scott isn't the only reason these characters even developed! Scott constantly stopping him and keeping him on a leash was the only reason Stiles Stilinski didn't become a serial killer like Peter Hale

Normally, I wouldn't even answer this, and I would delete this comment, but I am going to pull all of the information that I give you here only from what happened in the show and from nowhere else.

*cracks knuckles*

Let's do this.

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Let's say that Scott is always right.

Because he was right when he said that maybe the Hales deserved to be burned to death? It was later confirmed by the showrunners that it wasn't only werewolves in that fire, but humans -- children, as well.

Because Scott was right when he turned Liam against his will? Unlike Derek, who told Boyd, Erica, and Isaac exactly what they were getting into and giving them a choice. Sure, Derek might not have kept them together in the best way, but he was never meant to be an alpha in the first place. His older sister was. Whereas Scott had only been turned for a year and a half, maybe two years, at the point he turned Liam.

Because Scott was right when he turned on his friends and worked with Gerard (the one who tortured Boyd and Erica and Stiles) and then proceeded to use Derek's own body without his permission to try and turn Gerard? Derek, who was only 15 when a woman in her twenties seduced him and raped him. He constantly had his body used against him. How is what Scott did any different?

Because Scott was right when he decided to play that lacrosse game even though he had absolutely no control over his werewolf side? He horribly injured one of his own teammates. He could have killed someone, and he didn't care because he was too focused on showing off. Stiles sacrificed the first game that he was going to be playing to help get to the truth for Derek, someone he shouldn't even trust -- but he helped anyway because he needed it.

Because Scott was right when he shoved Isaac into a wall just because Isaac thought about kissing Allison when Scott and Allison weren't even together anymore?? Isaac, the one who was physically abused by his own father and endured childhood trauma...and Scott knew about it, but hit him anyway.

Lydia developed herself on her own, she was absolutely smart and brilliant and hid it for years, and Stiles was the one who told her to stop pretending she wasn't smart (at the dance), and that's when she started being who she really was. And she was also Stiles' anchor.

Malia became stronger because of her connection with Stiles -- who was her anchor -- and reconnecting with her father.

Kira would have figured it out on her own, because her parents would have never kept her true heritage and gifts from her forever. She never needed a boy to complete her or show her her life mission.

Stiles, on the other hand, only used violence as defense. Most of the time when he talked about killing, he was being sarcastic and never serious, and then when someone did die at his hands, he thought that he was the worst person possible, even knowing that it was in self-defense. He went to Scott because he thought Scott would understand, but instead Scott was deceived by Theo, who Stiles had warned everyone about.

Did you even watch the show?

If you message me again, prepare for a fight. I will pull out every single season and every single episode down to the minute and the second for reference, and you will have no place left to stand.

This isn't from headcanon, this is being pulled directly from the source material, and I blame the writers for not realizing for what they were doing. Don't come after me with accusations of not liking Scott just because I don't like him. I focus only on what's being put in front of me on the screen, and what's being written down on the script. I am attacking the writers, not you! If you cared about Scott as a character, you would be just as mad at the writers as I am.

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The Teen Wolf Movie that No One Wants

So, someone linked me to a Tumblr post talking about how we don’t need a Teen Wolf movie, which I wholeheartedly agree with.

I didn’t tag onto the end of that post, however, because it goes after actors a little bit, and I try to avoid that, so I thought I would write my own post about how we really don’t need a Teen Wolf movie.

Reason #1: The show was literally based off of a movie. Does no one else remember the movie, starring Michael J. Fox? It had a movie. The show was marginally better.

Reason #2: Everything was already (more or less) wrapped up. I don’t know what else Jeff Davis wants to dig for, unless it’s a spin-off about Stiles and Derek working supernatural FBI cases, and going to Lydia, Peter, Malia, Jackson, Ethan, Isaac, and Kira for help on occasion. There is literally nowhere else for the story to go.

Reason #3: Because no one actually wants the movie. Like, who wanted this? Not the fans. Pretty sure on that one.

So, that’s it.

No one wants the movie.

This is just Jeff Davis imagining that the fans want something more than they really do.

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Remember when True Scumbag Scott "The Hunters Had A Reason" McCall blackmailed a chained up, tortured, traumatised Derek and then threatened to leave Derek in his rapist's clutches if Derek refused to do as he said?

Oh, you mean this scene?

I really like the visual metaphor, here, to be honest:

Derek is chained and lit up in light, still trying to see if he can escape on his own, while Scott is standing in front of the light, being superficially backlit, not doing anything to help, using the threat of leaving Derek in his rapist's clutches unless he helps him.

Derek would have helped him anyway.

Derek is the one who actually tries to do the right thing, even when he feels his hands are tied. Scott is the one who is always pretending to be righteous, even when he's doing the wrong things. He then uses the light from other people to try to show that he's a good person, when he's not. He's an opportunistic survivalist.

This scene was in the first season. I want Scott apologists to watch this again and tell me that this was the right thing to do.

Watch them scramble to explain how Scott was in the right to threaten Derek with his own rapist.

I'll wait.

THIS SCENE MADE SCOTT IRREDEEMABLE.

Duh.

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Isaac going to Scott after Derek kicked him out to save his life made no sense. Scott openly mocked Erica's trauma and epilepsy, tried to override Boyd's agency for his own gain, and called Isaac an idiot for wanting the bite to defend himself from his abusive father. Why would Isaac go to the guy who abused and gaslit him just for existing, and who repeatedly used him as a punching bag in a jealous fit?

Because the writers didn't even bother to try and keep their own characters in character.

Seriously.

They were constantly trying to force their own narrative, making a lot of the later seasons feel like OOC fanfiction of their own previous writing -- pretty much making it unwatchable.

Isaac never would have gone to Scott. In fact, it would make more sense that he would have gone back to Derek.

But yeah.

Those are my thoughts.