#nymeria of rhoynar

[ginny-anime]

I find it hilarious when people hate on House Martell and dorne.

Why because they didn’t bow down to the conquerors?

They killed Rhaenys the conqueror and her dragon?

They didn’t fight in the dance of the dragons when it wasn’t their war to fight?

Because they were the only kingdom that defied the Targaryens and remained an independent kingdom until the reign of Daeron ii?

What is there to even hate about House Martell and Dorne

[atopvisenyashill]

my hot take of the day is that clearly the people who swallow the in universe targ & valyrian exceptionalism are being completely taken in by the exact system that george is trying to critique but also i think the people who over correct into this idea that not a single targaryen is worthy of like, our empathy or sorrow or are rightfully chafing against the structures put in place by valyrians, first men, and andals alike are also being incredibly 2d in their analysis. i feel like this happens most often when people try to make the case that andals are somehow oppressed in westerosi society on a cultural level simply bc valyrian supremacy trumps andal culture. i think this is incredibly silly to say or posit as the truth in universe because there is in fact some oppression of culture in westeros but it’s not the andals lol!!! it’s the first men, the dornish, the rhoynar/greenblood orphans, and the ironborn. there Is some level of,,,, idk bigotry/xenophobia towards valyrians but only valyrians who don’t worship the faith - people like larra rogare, who still follow valyrian gods, do face this bigotry because they’re Too Foreign, the same way someone like thoros, melisandre, taena, etc who are essosi but not from a still heavy valyrian-based society like volantis and lys, and that’s definitely important to the conversation, because it shows the Dominant Culture is in fact the Andal culture when it comes to westeros and that’s like,,, fine, and even more interesting to me to see how andals, who have been the dominant force on westeros for thousands of years, interact with valyrians, who clearly want to keep ideas of valyrian supremacy alive somehow and essentially try to get the other dominant force in westeros to buy in (which they do!). like, are these two at odds sometimes? yes! but i don’t think it’s correct to say that the andals face ~prejudice for being andals or followers of the faith either!

[game-of-style]

Princess Nymeria of the Ny Sar, the founder of House Martell - Harris Reed Fall 2023

[tredawakandan]

The best thing about the House of the Dragon series is that they add in new canon information from George himself. The best part was confirming of course the Aegon Conquest theory and also some lore for Valyria... For many years people would guess at how many dragons the Valyrian Free Hold owned. Now it so happens the show has confirmed it was minimally 1000 dragons🐉. Talk about overkill 😂.. Before this the only thing we could go off was that about 300 hundred dragons were sent to finish off the Rhoynar.. And that they did💀💀..What alot of Show only Viewers may not realize or remember is that the Targaryens were only 1/40 DragonLord families. It's also stated I believe that they were probably bottom 5-10 of all families 😭😭. Imagine how much more impressive the other families were. Here we have Aegon and 3 simple dragons claiming Westeros(R.I.P Meraxes🙏) .. And their ancestors had over 100x that amount..It is known as hat Aenor Targaryen only came to dragonstone with 5 dragons (1 which was Balerion). From that time till Aegon Conquest the other 4 would die somehow and Meraxes/Vhagar would be born from a set of eggs.. Just doing a simple amount of math we can deduce logically if you divide 1000 dragons by 40 families it would average out to about 25 per family. But as I just mentioned Aenor who family was lower ranking amongst the he dragon lord only had 5 dragons. So I'm thinking there probably were some families with at least 100 dragons strictly for their family 😳..

Imagine if they survived the doom.. Whitewalkers would've been toast easily 😂💯

Definitely need a short 1-3 season show on Valyria 🤔🙏🙏🤔. I would argue it should be animated since I think cgi work for a thousand dragons would be more $$$ then a standard all around animated show. They should either make it Avatar the Last Airbender style or Clone Wars Clay animation style in my opinion

[asoiafreadthru]

HOUSE MARTELL

Nymeria, the warrior queen of the Rhoyne, brought her ten thousand ships to land in Dorne, the southernmost of the Seven Kingdoms, and took Lord Mors Martell to husband. With her help, he vanquished his rivals to rule all Dorne.

The Rhoynar influence remains strong. Thus Dornish rulers style themselves “Prince” rather than “King.” Under Dornish law, lands and titles pass to the eldest child, not the eldest male.

Dorne, alone of the Seven Kingdoms, was never conquered by Aegon the Dragon. It was not permanently joined to the realm until two hundred years later, and then by marriage and treaty, not the sword.

Peaceable King Daeron II succeeded where the warriors had failed by wedding the Dornish princess Myriah and giving his own sister in marriage to the reigning Prince of Dorne.

The Martell banner is a red sun pierced by a golden spear.

Their words are Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken.

The principal houses sworn to Sunspear include Jordayne, Santagar, Allyrion, Toland, Yronwood, Wyl, Fowler, and Dayne.

[of-pretty-crows-and-wild-women]

I often find myself thinking about the six Dornish Kings that Nymeria banished to The Wall.

I wonder how they found the stark difference between the arid expanse of the desert and the icy hills of the North. If they missed the warmth of the sand between their fingers and the taste of olives, figs and lemons.

More importantly, though, I daydream of children born to the Brothel during this time, I wonder if these Kings snuck away for a night like so many Black Brothers have done in the past.

I wonder if boys ran off into the south with heads filled with foolish notions of honour and glory, told by their mothers that their fathers were kings who lay with them for a fistful of coin and a night away from their post.

[horizon-verizon]

It is said that, amongst the Rhoynar who came to Dorne with Nymeria, eight of every ten were women ... but a quarter of those were warriors, in the Rhoynish tradition, and even those who did not fight had been hardened during their travels and travails. As well, thousands who had been boys when fleeing the Rhoyne had grown into manhood and taken up the spear during their years of wandering. By joining with the newcomers, the Martells increased the size of their host by tenfold. When Mors Martell took Nymeria to wife, hundreds of his knights, squires, and lords bannermen also wed Rhoynish women, and many of those who were already wed took them for their paramours. Thus were the two peoples united by blood. These unions enriched and strengthened House Martell and its Dornish allies. The Rhoynar brought considerable wealth with them; their artisans, metalworkers, and stonemasons brought skills far in advance of those achieved by their Westerosi counterparts, and their armorers were soon producing swords and spears and suits of scale and plate no Westerosi smith could hope to match. Even more crucially, it is said the Rhoynish water witches knew secret spells that made dry streams flow again and deserts bloom. To celebrate these unions, and make certain her people could not again retreat to the sea, Nymeria burned the Rhoynish ships. “Our wanderings are at an end,” she declared. “We have found a new home, and here we shall live and die.”

A World of Ice and Fire, pg. 25

[ride-thedragon]

Why Nettles (Netty) could be Rhoynish in the show (House of the Dragon).

In the small, nagging part of my mind, I had to draw a conclusion on how I observed the show in the lore of the universe. Seeing as fire and blood is a biased and altered retelling, I accepted that the show is just the canon timelime of events that take place during the dance of the dragons. That being said the upcoming presence of one of my favourite characters in the show Nettles has given me alot to contend with which is why, in an even worse part of my brain I decided that she could just as easily be Rhoynish. However, because I am not a complete anarchist, I decided to list some reasons as to why and how it would make sense in the show's continuity. Note here these points go with the established canon and SPOILERS FOR THE SHOW AND BOOK.

1. The Velaryons are black: The show's creators made the conscious descion to make the Velaryons black. While it wouldn't be an issue for Nettles to be half Velaryon with brown hair, I think it would make more sense to instead make her ethincally distinct while maintaining her character descriptions. This way not only would her status as a dragonseed be easily questioned (with the inclusion of a strong cultural tie to the Rhoynar) but it will also be able to allow for nuances with the prejudice pushed against Netty in the books( Filthy, Foul mouthed, Fearless, Brown skin). The actress could easily be mixed or black, seeing as the distinct features of the Rhoynish can be interpreted differently (not with white, obviously) to show the distinction as well. There is precedence for the prejudice with the history of the Rhoynar and Valyrians.

2. It gives basis for Rhaenyra's decisions: a theory as to why Rhaenyra wanted Nettles specifically dead was because she was a common looking girl who could allow for questions on Targaryen dominion over dragons. Another, sided with by the maester writing fire and blood, is that she is crazy and untrusting. While they are all valid points and ideas, that I support, a good added layer would be that a girl, recognized as Rhoynish (accents, look and so on) would be a threat to her. It would also add to the untrustworthy element of her character (folks tend to be racist to Dorne and the Rhoynish in the story).

3. It's just a fun way for conflict: Above all, I love drama in fantasy. The Valyrians and Rhoynish literally have centuries long beefs, seeing as they were the reason they fled Essos in the first place (shoutout to the spice wars). Making Nettles Rhoynish (partially and culturally) could create an internalised conflict as to why Rhaenyra could prompt that she would be untrustworthy. Her refusal to bend to Rhaenyra as an orphan of the green blood but fight for her claim and so on would be delicious pot stirring.

4. Daemon Targaryen: The man of the hour himself. A lot of what makes Nettles a fan favourite is that she seemingly is the only one that connects with Daemon Targaryen. His best moments( not villainous or monstrous) in the material are connected to her and their relationship as it develops. I just think that it would be an excellent reckoning for the Targaryen Supremicist to care for someone so far away from his family ideals and legacy.

5. My favourite part (Game of thrones fucked over Dorne): It haunts my dreams what they did to my baby. Literally my favourite part of the lore was destroyed in the show without a gun to the writers heads, for free I might add and as a BIPOC I want reperations. Currently, Hotd isn't starting off with the best track record with the way they portray women of colour, but they could attone by giving us a cool darkskin Rhoynish girl on a big, old dragon.

6. A Revised history: Baelor, the blessed changed a lot of stuff, and there are just a lot of things we will never know. With the show, however, we get to see the distinct narrative with the show and the inclusion of Rhoynish heritage would draw connections with the biased descriptions of our girl and the historical perception of the Dornish in the show. Also, she could be born on Driftmark with this explanation while not growing up there.

All this to say that I think it could be a real possibilty that could pay to fan service as well as character developement including but not limited to:

Sapphic interations with Nettles and Baela or Rhaena as the Rhoynish are tolerant towards same sex relationships. And more Sapphics in general tbh. Alysanne, Jeyne and Sabitha carrying the agenda on their backs

Expanding the established lore for the Rhoynar in either series, i.e., Nymeria and the Rhoynish influence in Dorne . What sets them apart.

The strangeness in her connection to a wild dragon. Being the only person recorded to bond with a wild dragon.

Physically setting her apart fron the folks in the show thus far.

Emphasising the Targaryen conflict with Dorne and prejudice in Westeros against them.

Showing distinctive practices and cultures in Dorne and with the Rhoynar as well.

Allowing for leaner rules when it comes to the character and sexual promiscuity

Me hating on the fact that the maester consistantly hates on my girl and sexualizes her, diminshing her agency in her own unknown life story.(I was personally victimized by Master Gyldayn and his maidenhead for a gold dragon and sex for sheep theories)

Lastly and again, conflict with precident other than Mad woman bad and jealous of the groomed poc child.

[rhaenys-targaryen-martell]

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[beyondmistland]

Why do you think there weren’t any new Dornish houses formed during Nymeria’s conquest that were purely Rhoynar in origin?

Because Nymeria and her descendants, the Red Princes in particular, were keen on both integrating into the existing paradigm as well as establishing a uniform Dornish identity.

Thanks for the question, anon

[dorneuniverse]

We're happy to announce that the Pre-Canon Dorne Week starts in less than 2 week! From AUGUST 3RD to AUGUST 6TH, we will be celebrating the Dornish Kingdom from its formation all the way up to the start of A Game of Thrones. Take a step back into the history of Dorne, the events that shaped it, and the characters who were present.

All kinds of posts are accepted, including gifsets, graphics, fanart, meta, fanfictions, videos, etc. Please use #precanondorneweek and #dornesolstice in the tags as it will make it easier to find your posts. We have also created a fic collection on AO3 specifically for the event and we encourage you to use the #precanondorneweek and #dornesoltice tags on your fanfics as well.

The prompts are as follows

The Rhoynar

Major Events

Dornish characters

Free Choice

[poorshadowspaintedqueens]

Why do you think there weren’t any new Dornish houses formed during Nymeria’s conquest that were purely Rhoynar in origin?

We learn in the account of Aegon's Conquest that the whole idea of houses, sigils, and words is an Andal custom that Aegon and his sisters deliberately took up prior to their initial campaign to take over Westeros. So it's not so surprising that the Rhoynar--who fled to Dorne centuries earlier as refugees, desperate to preserve their own histories and traditions under the onslaught of Valyrian slavery--did not pick it up themselves. Rather, those who chose to assimilate married into these pre-existing Andal families, creating a mixed aristocracy that was both loyal to Nymeria and her descendants, and entrenched in the local culture.

By the time the books begin, it seems more likely than not that every noble house in Dorne has some Rhoynar blood somewhere in their family tree. Those Rhoynar who chose not to assimilate appear to have largely congregated in the Planky Town, though there may be other enclaves we don't know about.

[sebeth]

The World Of Ice And Fire: Nymeria Arrives In Dorne

Warning, Spoilers Ahead…

  Nymeria and company head for Westeros, having no luck finding a home in numerous other locations. The fleet of ships have been battered and not all made it to their final stop of Dorne. There are “isolated pockets of Rhoynar on the Stepstones, claiming descent from those who were shipwrecked.” Other ships were blown off-course and became slaves of the Lys and Tyrosh.

The remaining ships landed at the mouth of the Greenblood river near the Sandship, the seat of House Martell.

Dorne was a dry, desolate land, thinly peopled, and filled with quarrelsome lords and petty kings’ endless wars.

Most Dornish did not welcome the Rhoynar. They were perceived as unwelcome invaders with foreign ways and strange gods.

Mors Martell, the Lord of the Sandship, saw an opportunity. Eight out of every ten Rhoynar were women and a quarter of those women were warriors. Thousands of Rhoynar who had been boys when they fled were now young men, trained in the use of the spear.

Mors realized he could increase his power by tenfold if he allied with the Rhoynar.

Mors wed Nymeria and hundreds of his knights, squires, and lords bannermen wed Rhoynish women. Many of the already wed Dornish took Rhoynar women as paramours. Very Alexander the Great of Mors and Nymeria!

The Rhoynar’s artisans, metalworkers, and stonemasons had far more advanced skills than their Westerosi counterparts. Their armorers produced swords, spears, and armor suits no Westerosi smith could match.

Most importantly, the Rhoynish water-witches knew “secret spells that made dry streams flow again and deserts bloom”.

Nymeria burned the ships after the weddings, declaring “Our wanderings are at an end. We have found a new home, and here we shall live and die.”

Some Rhoynar “mourned the loss of the ships, and rather than embracing their new land, they took to plying the waters of the Greenblood, finding it a pale shadow of Mother Rhoyne, whom they continued to worship.” They are known as the Orphans of the Greenblood to this day.

Nymeria and Mors then declared war on their fellow kings. At least six kings were sent to the Wall by Nymeria and Mors, leaving their greatest foe: Yorick Yronwood, the Bloodroyal, Fifth of His Name, Lord of Yronwood, Warden of the Stone Way, Knight of the Wells, King of Redmarch, King of the Greenbelt, and King of the Dornish.

The Martell/Yronwood War went on for nine years. Martell’s allies were House Fowler of Skyreach, House Toland of Ghost Hill, House Dayne of Starfall, and House Uller of the Hellholt. Yronwood’s allies were his bannermen: the Jordaynes of the Tor, the Wyls of the Stone Way, along with the Blackmonts, the Qorgyles, and more.

The Jordaynes of the Tor is a shout-out to Robert Jordan of the Wheel of Time fame. I’m not sure if the rest of Yronwood’s bannermen are references to other science fiction/fantasy writers.

Yorick Yronwood slew Mors Martell in the seventh year of the war. Nymeria assumed sole command of the Martel armies. Two years later, Yronwood bent the knee to Nymeria.

Nymeria remained sole ruler of Dorne despite remarrying twice – first to the aged Lord Uller of Hellholt and then to Ser Davos Dayne of Starfall, the Sword of the Morning. Her husbands served only as consorts and counsellors.

Nymeria ruled for twenty-seven years, survived a dozen attempts on her life, put down two rebellions, and threw back two invasions by the Storm King Durran the Third and one by King Greydon of the Reach.

In summary: Nymeria was a badass!

Nymeria had four daughters by Mors Martell and a son by Davos Dayne. The Dornish had adopted the customs and laws of the Rhoynar so upon Nymeria’s death, her eldest daughter succeeded her.

Up next, the Doom of Valyria

[nogoodsheepstealing-greatgrandma]

Queen Nymeria of Dorne by InTheArmsOfUndertow

[rise-my-angel]

How people hear the logo "fire and blood" and not think of fascism baffles me. Like it literally sounds like something the nazi's said. I know it might not be fair comparing real life history to fiction, especially in a medieval setting that doesn't match ...BUT THEY HAVE FLYING NUKES GUYS

Bear with me, but I think a lot of it stems from the dragons. In normal, or at least traditional fantasy, dragons are usually used differently in other stories. They can both be antagonists and companions to the hero. They are normally written to be while large and dangerous, also sort of majestic and awe inspiring.

So people see the dragons here, they see people riding them, and they think automatically it's cool. So if you're already someone more inclined to enjoy creatures like dragons, there's a perfect basis. A people whose culture revolves around dragons. It's an easy buy in to the Targaryean propaganda. You will automatically start seeing them in better lights because you like the dragons, whether you realize that or not.

But the problem is, grrm does not use dragons in the traditional sense. Grrm has been very clear that he has written the dragons as essentially, one for one metaphors to weapons of mass destruction. Grrm is also very anti war, a sentiment felt throughout all of his work, how no matter what justification one side or the other feels, it is the people, the lands, the smallfolk who suffer from war the most. So, the use of nuclear weapons in war, is essentially, the worst case scenario in terms of war. Which is what the Targaryeans use dragons for. Thats what Valyria has always used them for.

Fire and Blood sounds cool beacuse it is menacing, but it is more then that. It is the statement that they will burn the country to the ground so they can be kings of the ashes. Valyria used dragons to burn cities to the ground and were incredibly cruel to the slaves they took as a result that places like Bravvos are still massively anti dragon/anti valyrian. Two seperate people of Essos fled across to Westeros to escape them (The Andals and the Rhoynar), then the Targaryeans come to the same place and do THE EXACT SAME THING TO THE SAME PEOPLE WHO FLED THEM ORIGINALLY.

I am certain grrm is not writing dragons as "Its actually okay to use nukes if you're nice to them when you're building them." He's probably more likely to say "no matter what justification you tell yourself, access to such catastrophic destruction at your will and fingertips is a power no one should ever wield."

Yes the dragons are sentient creatures, but these are not like a creature such as a direwolf. One was sent to their human companion by a fate beyond them, and acts more like an extension of their identity and a friend as human and direwolf protect each other. Such as Nymeria biting Joffery to protect Arya, and Arya chasing Nymeria off to save her life for saving hers.

Dany murdered her own slave in order to use blood magic to force dragons back into a world after a peaceful number of centuries without them. Dany then uses them to burn her enemies alive, threaten those who stand against or disobey her and doesn't even consider taking steps to control them until after Drogon burned alive an innocent three year old girl, and even then all she does is lock them away in a manner that will no doubt only make them more angry and resentful of humans.

Not all sentient creatures are the same, and dragons specifically within the world of asoiaf are symbols of the dangerous balance of the world tipping too far. The Doom of Valyria was the result of using blood magic and dragons to tip the worlds balance too far and there is nothing left but a cursed, blighted hellscape left behind to remind man not to toy with nature in ways they will never be able to control. I don't think it's a coincidence that some stories say they found the first dragons in the Fourteen Flames, and it was the eventual eruption of the Fourteen Flames that destroyed Valyria and its dragons.

The Targaryeans didn't need to die with them, it's probably good that at least one family managed to safely leave so at least some aspects of a long, forgotten culture can be remembered in the history books from somewhere. But they do not act like just people. The Targaryeans still see themselves as something like gods.

In their eyes, they are better then the people of Westeros, those people taint their bloodline. They used dragons to force them to be subservient to them when all of those Kingdoms ruled independently for thousands of years before. Then they used those same dragons to tear the country apart.

No one is looking forward to or likes talking about the storming of the Dragonpit beacuse we want to see animal death. We want to see it for what it stands for. An uprising of people pushed too far by a monarchy that uses weapons of mass destruction recklessly beacuse they see themselves as gods. They refused to be subjected to that anymore, and they knew doing it would kill more men then it would dragons but they did it anyways. They looked at the free use of nuclear weapons and decided they will not live in that fear anymore.

Fire and Blood is literally their dragons. It is why they call themselves dragons. They are the destruction of the world, and they see nothing wrong with that.

Dragons plant no trees, and neither do the Targaryeans.

[asoiafreadthru]

A Game of Thrones, Arya I

Nymeria nipped eagerly at her hand as Arya untied her. She had yellow eyes. When they caught the sunlight, they gleamed like two golden coins.

Arya had named her after the warrior queen of the Rhoyne, who had led her people across the narrow sea. That had been a great scandal too.

Sansa, of course, had named her pup “Lady.”