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[callmearcturus]

i think i gotta go read a lot of fic as a palette cleanser and your response to all this has made me like, hm, good time to catch up on all all the Arc fic i'm behind on!

oh HEY if you want post canon fic that doesn’t suck and isn’t a vicious mean spirited jab at the fanbase

For good reconciliation between Dirk and Jake as well as ensemble work: LandOfMistandSecrets “Thanks for Playing”

For the best damn Jake English in fandom with some great BGD: Stormbourne’s “come lay with me on the ground”

Excellent recovery from trauma and trans characters without a fucking monkey’s paw “now THIS character is a transphobe!” bullshit: Mims’ “these hollow hills”

that’s just off the top of my head, there’s a lot more fics on the AO3, all more deserving of your time than the epilogue

[aromantic-eight]

💔for ship asks!

Renora makes me very sad whenever I see it

You know that scene in volume 4, where Jaune is watching the video of Pyrrha and practicing, and Pyrrha tells him she’ll always be here for him? That was quality sad ship content, I got sad watching that. So probably that as a sad ship, and also general JNR+P stuff post-Pyrrha’s death.

[stillthesunkenstars]

YOU MAKE ME FEEL A LOT OF THINGS!!!

THANK!!!! I have screenshots of your brax essays and I just die a little more every time I read them!!!!!

[thebraxiatelcollection]

But it is true that if nothing else, it (English Lit)  has trained me to ramble about fictional characters on the internet.

@partymage as we talk about our love for Braxiatel.

[utopianparadoxist]

I see your reasoning on that idea, but my issue is the idea of abstraction, which was brought up in the critique but which you did not, imo, address. At that point, any action by any person could be seen as selfish. Dirk wants to live up to Dave's legacy because he doesn't want to feel like he failed Dave; Dave wants to serve Rose's guidance because he can't value himself without serving others. 'Selfish' becomes meaningless because in the end, no one in the world can escape themselves. (1/2)

(2/2) And if everyone is selfish, then what’s the point in making an argument about anyone? I see in this point a recurring trend in the arguments: the focus is on proving a theoretical concept at the expense of psychological nuance. Pages are active, active is selfish, therefore all actions of a Page are selfish. Yet I feel, from Dave’s final comment to Rose about character arcs, that all these characters are meant to be more complex and messy than the abstractions of their mythological roles.

Yeah, talking this stuff out with Viko has made me realize I’ve been overemphasizing the selfishness/selflessness angle a bit more than I think is accurate, or at least like, clearly posited in the comic. Not every single behavior an Active player engages in is necessarily selfish, and vice versa for Passive players. In particular, I think Viko raised a very good point about Jake’s dying for Jane. The Masterpiece/Dirk moment I feel is somewhat different, specifically because it’s so coded with romantic subtext. 

I don’t think the distinctions are meaningless, but Alt!Calliope and Caliborn are the only characters I’d say really hold to the Selfless/Selfish mentality absolutely (well, besides Gamzee, who never seems motivated by anything but Caliborn when he has motivation to speak of). Everyone else is, by and large, more complicated. Which makes sense, since engaging with others and having that push and pull of wills is bound to bring out different facets of an individual. 

So I think I’d say as with everything else, the Active/Passive describes a tendency or predisposition with Selfishness/Selflessness, too. It still seems like a pretty consistent established element, but I think it reads a lot stronger as one element that also takes others into account--such as how proactive vs. reactive a player is, how self-focused vs. group-focused they are, the “benefit oneself” vs. “benefit others” behavior in terms of mechanics, and so on. 

Makes for less concise and easily transmitted analysis, but then Homestuck inherently resists reductive takes, so that makes sense. So yeah, I’ll readily admit I’ve gotten carried away and made some pretty poor overwrought arguments–It’s a bad habit of mine. Honestly the strongest arguments for Jake being selfish are his treatment of Jane early on during the session (which directly parallels Horruss) and what he does when power-boosted by Aranea: Make Brain Ghost Dirk exclusively to make himself feel safe and protected when he had the power to pretty much win the whole session by himself, if he were so inclined.  

Since those points together describe both Jake’s largest impact on the session over time, AND Jake’s impact at his most effective being to his own benefit, I’m pretty comfortable resting Pages’ active status on those particular points, as far as Jake’s concerned.That said, with regards to your statement

I see your reasoning on that idea, but my issue is the idea of abstraction, which was brought up in the critique but which you did not, imo, address.

I’m not super sure what idea you’re referring to. As such, while I tried to address what I think you’re getting at, I’m not super sure that I did. Feel free to follow up if you have lingering questions or if you were getting to something else? Otherwise, thanks for giving me the chance to clarify my position on this front. 

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what is your favourite 1d moment

UMMM i think my favorite is a personal moment, when i went to the 1dorlando thing? because i was standing SO CLOSE to them, and harry stuck out his tongue at me because i kept making silly faces at him, and it was one of the happiest nights of my life???? yea

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[callmearcturus]

partymage replied to your post: I would like to make an observation about the...

The Epilogues by their nature can’t fully stop being official, and honestly, I’m starting to feel all the in-text/formatting denials of canonicity are just downright disingenuous.

I agree.

I have seen multiple people speak as it the Epilogues are “handing the story to the fans” or “empowering fanfiction.”

You do not do that by writing your own satire of fanfiction. You encourage fanfic by leaving space for fans and perhaps a statement saying you support and encourage fanfic, and then you shut up.

The Epilogues will always, always supersede fanfiction. They will also supersede fan stories with better potential and craft than what Hussie published. His use of the framing of fanfiction allowed him certain protections and excuses he would not have gotten if he had not used that framing and simply put out the Epilogues in the usual style of Homestuck.

I keep saying this and I will likely continue to say it because it’s essentially my final take away on the Epilogues. That is, if they were published on the AO3 like any other fanfic, without Hussie’s name on them, they would have zero impact and would likely be written off as character bashing trollfic.

It is singularly and solely because Hussie’s name is on them that they matter. And that is the social capital he holds over his audience and fandom.

[aromantic-eight]

partymage replied to your post:mylordshesacactus replied to your post: ...

i like (“like”) the idea that she doesn’t always just want outright treachery, it’s enough to have people abandon Oz, to isolate him. that works so well with the kind of psychological violence and control Salem seems to prefer.

Yeah, exactly. She wants him to lose faith in himself. She wants him to See (TM) that his mission and his ideals are pointless and doomed to failure and also that humanity will always, inevitably, eventually give in to hatred and fear. That’s her whole thing. It’s the whole message of Divide. 

So what better way to do that, than to encourage his allies to give in to hatred and fear!

[stillthesunkenstars]

PLEASE DO READ THE DELLAH BOOKS I LOVE THEM SO MUCH AND BRAX IS SO GOOD IN THEM AND HE AND BENNY ARE SUCH GREAT FRIENDS AND THEY HAVE THESE THREE ICE WARRIOR BUDDIES THAT HANG OUT WITH THEM AND HUG BRAX SO HARD HE WINCES AND IT'S GREAT until everything goes terribly and sadly and it's awful bc the universe hates people being happy

SURE THAT SOUNDS AWESOME!!!!!! I’ve wanted to read them for a long time but somehow couldn’t find the energy to do it,,, guess I’ll start them after my exams!!