#people saying that if Sylvie/Loki is incest then Thor/Loki is too

[worstloki]

How would you feel if somehow Thorki becomes canon in mcu (not the subtexts) personally I'd throw up

listen. listen to me carefully. it would be SO funny

[artist-issues]

Reminder that making Loki and Sylvie romantic was not a huge mistake. It was very smart and very in-character.

Not because they love themselves. That’s just a very clever writer’s play on the Loki-Trope-words.

Because she’s the most not-him person that there is. He wants to be the center of attention. She wants to live a quiet life left alone. He wants to take thrones and rule. She wants to topple thrones and rulers. He wants to tyrannize and enslave. She wants to set whole realities free. He sets traps to defeat his most hated foes. She just runs up and stabs them. He never shuts up. She’s stoic and quiet.

To people who believe it’s weird or gross because “they share DNA” or “they’re siblings…” Yeah. They share the same DNA, clearly—just like the Alligator Loki! 🙄 And they share parents, clearly—oh, except they don’t, because Loki’s parents were the kind of people to hide his true origins from him, and Sylvie’s parents were as different from that as you can get. They don’t share DNA, they aren’t the same gender, they don’t share memories or a similar history, and they don’t even share a name. They’re not like the same person, and they’re not like siblings.

The places where they’re similar? Like Sylvie’s chip on her shoulder against those who’ve wronged her? They’re all the places Loki has grown out of, or is in the process of growing out of when he meets Sylvie—and she’s been hellbent on avenging herself against those who’ve wronged her for her whole life.

He’s in love with her because of the—say it with me—“Idea of Potential” that she represents.

It’s just like how Ariel is in love with Eric, even before she gets to know him, because all she needs to know is that his character traits match up with everything she’s always hoped humans could be like. All Loki needs to know about Sylvie is that her character traits match up with everything he’s always wished he could be:

Confident instead of pretending to be confident; heroic instead of pretending to be heroic; secure in who he is regardless of what people think of him; able to focus on something bigger than himself; etc. Loki’s never been able to be those things and even convinced himself he’s proud of pretending—but Sylvie genuinely is all those things.

And Sylvie? Since she was stolen from her home and family she has made no connections, had nobody care about her, and focused only on her mission. If she ever had dreams outside of that, it probably revolved around the idea of freedom. Then in comes this guy who not only expresses care for her, but is the type of guy who doesn’t let anybody tell him what he is or what to do—he can relate to her feelings of hurt, and eventually, tries to help her grow beyond them, too.

They both represent something that the other person has always wanted to do or be, and they both challenge each other, and they both have this big existential hole in their hearts of “nobody wants me or likes me” to relate to each other with.

How is this a mistake? It’s literally the smartest way they’ve ever had Loki make a connection with someone outside his adopted family. (Mobius is cool and all but he’s a Thor-stand-in for this Loki, who’s been ripped out of Thor’s timeline.)

I’m going to stop beating the dead horse, but basically, if you think Loki and Sylvie as a romantic couple is weird, try and look at it the way it actually is, instead of superimposing “female love interest bad” or catchy Internet memes like “Loki Show Approves Incest” over everything 🙄

[darklinaforever]

OK. I need to talk about it (particularly because I rewatched the entire series yesterday) ! Like many, I'm shipping Sylvie & Loki, otherwise known as Sylki, from the Loki series from Disney +.

However, I always manage to come across anti bullshit, each time I go to the tag dedicated to this couple. And it's unbearable. Especially with the bullshit being said there.

So already, people basically don't like Sylki and Sylvie, because Sylvie would treat Loki "horribly" and "use him"…

So… It's forgotten that Loki was probably planning to kill her at the start of Episode 3, but didn't because she was the only one who knew how to recharge the Time Pad. So technically, the two contemplated killing each other, and served each other up in episode 3.

Also, by the end of episode 2 and the beginning of episode 3, Sylvie is completely normal with Loki the rest of the time, and even cares about him. The two actually end up forming a willing partnership. Sylvie even wanted to face Alioth on her own, and for Loki to return to TVA. When he said that if she goes, he goes too, she made it clear that his plan might not work out, so she cares about his life and she always proposes that he go. with Mobvious. Hello for "treat him horribly / only use him".

Then clear me of doubt…

But isn't Sylvie a Loki variant ? So she looks like him in that fact, right ? Doesn't she go through almost the same arc, or rather similar (it's much more correct) to the one that Loki had in the films ? I'm guessing with that logistics, you mustn't like Thor and Loki's brotherly relationship either ? And that it's especially Loki that you should hate in this relationship, considering how he treated Thor at one point (even if Thor is not without fault in this whole complicated family affair) and even tried to kill him in the first movie ? Along the same lines, I guess you don't like the Frigga and Loki relationship, and therefore specifically Loki, since he emotionally hurt his mother in the second film and unwittingly caused her death afterwards…

Seems like these are two very popular relationships within the fandom, and Loki has never been hated for the slips he made in those relationships, not to mention the other bad things he did on the side . There are even a lot of people who ship Thor and Loki together ! So… If you hate Sylvie because she "wasn't nice" to Loki… Why don't you hate Loki himself for a lot of things that happened before the show ?! Because, technically, there is no difference ! And Sylvie did not watch Loki, only what he himself did to his relatives ! He says it himself : He betrayed all the characters he loved and who loved him ! That Sylvie "betrayed" Loki at the end of the series therefore had a certain obviousness, even if compared to what some say, it is not so much a question of betrayal as of being blinded by the need for revenge.

So why is Sylvie getting so much hate for not being "nice / loyal to Loki unfailingly" to Loki ? The only real difference technically is that she's a woman, and… Oh. That's the difference. Obviously !

Then, some hate this relationship for the "incest" aspect…

So…

Sylvie and Loki are not brother and sister. They have nothing to do with family.

Yes, they're technically "the same person", according to the show, but it's a lot more complicated than that actually, and I imagine the rest of the show will expand on that aspect. A variant is not exactly the same person. It's more or less a mutation I think. And if I say no bullshit, even on the DNA level it is different. And Sylvie refuses to truly define herself as a Loki, and rightly so. They are different people, who have had their own lives and experiences on their own. They are not the same, but similar. Two different things.

Then there are other people who don't like it for the "narcissistic aspect", and I refer you for that to this article by the director of Loki which explains what "self-love" really means. through the sylki relationship in the series. Which ultimately has nothing to do with narcissism, you can imagine. There is also talk about the incest aspect that he refutes just as much !

Also, again, there are people who ship Thor and Loki. And they are brother. Yes, not biologically, but for the rest ? They are brothers in every way that matters. However, it doesn't bother anyone to ship them, and I've never seen anyone be scandalized by it like with Sylki, who once again has nothing to do with incest in the end...

And even if it was ! I want to tell you… who cares ? Yes, because, little detail that a lot of people seem to forget… It's gods, isn't it ? Isn't incest common among the gods ? Yes, I know, among the Nordic gods it was not very well seen, unlike among the Greek gods, or we don't care ! But ! However, if you look closely, even if the Nordic gods were not in favor of incest, at least for the Aesir, well it still happened, especially among the Vanir, who were totally in favor of it ! And that I know, like the Greek gods, it had no genetic repercussions ! Because… Well they are gods, again ! And the conventions of mortals and their constraints, who cares for the gods !?

So your moralizing discourse, you can keep it to yourself.

And then… The most pathetic aspect of the returning reviews is about the kiss, which apparently "doesn't make them romantically canon." So, despite the fact that the romance is very assumed throughout the series, it is not canon, and the only thing that could make it seem romantic would be the kiss, but which in fact is nothing romantic ! So it's not canon ! Compiled once again that by the way Sylvie has only used Loki throughout this story…

So, I've already refuted the "Sylvie having used Loki" aspect, so I'm not going to come back to it… But ! I won't refute that Sylvie used the kiss a bit to distract Loki and then send him somewhere else. Except… Well she didn't have to kiss him specifically for that. She could have chosen another method, which implies that she wanted kiss him somewhere. The director also explains that Sylvie actually kissed Loki to say goodbye ! Especially since it's not as if the series had already shown before that Sylvie had feelings for Loki ! People forgot the fucking Nexus in the beginning of episode 4 ?! Because, yes, I remind you that we are not talking about one-sided love in this mess ! It is always insunated that it is reciprocal ! They are referred to as a couple of Loki in the series ! Miss minute offers them a universe where they could be together ! If only the "shared blanket / tablecloth" scene damn it ! Oh yes ! It sure looks like one-sided love... ! Yes, because for some people ; Sylvie is not in love with Loki and has only used her personal feelings to distract him in this moment…

Are you being stupid or blind on purpose ?

Seriously, I keep seeing jerks say "What are Sylki fans celebrating in that kiss! It's not romantic canonization! She's just manipulating it! There's never nothing romantic between them in the whole series!"

It's on the same level as everyone who said Reylo was nothing romantic and the kiss finally shared at the end of all their romantic tension over 3 movies was nothing romantic and was just an impulse to thank him, or even worse a "brotherly kiss" !

The comparison is all the more relevant as some say that "Yes, Sylvie loves Loki, but like a brother ! Or, I prefer that she loves him like a brother!" !

It is pathetic.

[hettolandija]

what MCU fans are smoking these days that it prompts them to say in one breath things like "Loki and Sylvie* are cute soulmates and Steve/Bucky is incest just like Thor and Loki" and "stevebucky is a toxic ship because they're too codependent** and they would die for each other, but Steve going in the past to live with Peggy*** is healthy"?

* a canon selfcest ** not letting people kill your friend is toxic now? Bucky living by himself in Bucharest for two years and putting himself on ice in Wakanda is codependent now? *** after they briefly knew each other at work and she kissed him once over a decade ago

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

My friend just sent this to me. This is a good example of how the creators opening their mouths have made me gone from being on the fence about the show to hating it. Double talk all the double talk, Sylvie is Loki but not in way that makes it weird that they kiss. It's about self love, self love romantic, right? Thing is the creators going on about their intentions have killed any opportunity for interpretation. Calling a torture scene therapy for example. Calling Sylvie a hero or saying Loki never cared about anyone before. I find the creators intentions more sickening than anything.

I could interpret it as the other characters being wrong. Them in universe assuming the worse of Loki when the truth is he more than that. He shows more genuine kindness then the other characters. But then the writers just go 'Yeah, Loki, he sucks not like our girl' so that means it not up to interpretation the creators just don't care about the character I c came to see

Besides the whole incest thing that I have said many times before I do not like at all but is not my biggest criticism of the ship... I hate this:

Herron: “Loki falling for Sylvie is an exploration of ‘self-love‘, but only in the sense that it’s Loki learning to understand his own motives and integrity.“

First off, romantic love and self-love are NOT the same thing and one does NOT lead to the other, in fact it can be counterproductive to start a relationship when you're damaged psychologically and emotionally.

Second, Loki doesn't understand anything through his relationship with Sylvie. He had proven before that he cared for other people other than himself (in direct contrast with Sylvie whose entire character is 100% selfish, I don't see Herron talking about that).

Herron: “The show is looking at the self and asking ‘What makes us us?’. I mean, look at all the Lokis across the show, they’re all completely different.”

Funny how she mentions the question but not the answer, also funny that she acknowledges that question is only asked about Loki and not the other characters. That's how you end up with a series that has two villains (Mobius and Sylvie) getting away with everything they do because nobody ever questions their actions, and yet the only character who ponders that question gets more than one answer throughout the episodes:

- You weren't born to be king. You were born to cause pain and suffering and death, all so that others can achieve their best versions of themselves.

- Animals, animals! We lie and we cheat, we cut the throat of every person who trusts us, and for what? Power. Glorious power. Glorious purpose! We cannot change. We're broken, every version of us. Forever.

Which ironically enough ties perfectly with Herron's quote here: “My interpretation of it is that they’re both Lokis, but they aren’t the same person […] They sort of have the same role in terms of the universe and destiny”.

So yes, they ask that question and they answer it too: Loki's role is that of a loser whose only purpose is to make those around him great. They did that in the Avengers in 2012 and then repeated it again in his own show where two of the secondary characters were treated better than he ever was.

Oh and that lie that "all the Lokis are different" is hilarious. Kid Loki murdered Thor, Boastful Loki betrayed them, President Loki is obsessed with power... you'd think Classic Loki was the one who got the better treatment, that is if we don't count the stupid outfit and the fact that... oh yeah, he dies in the end.

It's not just the director or the writers though, the journalists too. Tasha Robinson: ”Personally, I really like the idea of the relationships between Lokis being a conduit for their own exploration of self, and that’s how I interpreted the kiss”

What exploration of self? Oh yeah, that scene in which he calls himself a narcissist and a terrible person, such great self-exploration.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that in-universe the first season could be explained and improved in S2, but that would require for these writers and directors to understand that S1 was not only overly simplistic but malicious and toxic in its messaging. And judging by their interviews they do not see that at all.

[discoscoob]

it like how can you ship them it self cest or incest yet people ship loki and thor and shipped loki with president loki but Sylvie ad loki is so wrong and gross etc and people also ship wanda and vision and don't say that weird? it double standards

Well in 2018 there was a tweet about Wanda and Vision and the entire tweet was filled with quotes and replies with people talking about how terrible that ship is so if my suspicions are correct it seems that a lot of the hate towards Sylki is probably performative bc that’s what people feel they have to do in order to fit in bc there’s no way people immediately started finding Wanda and Vision cute after Wandavision when they all despised it so much in 2018, clearly they never hated it that much they just said what they believed would get them the most approval from their followers and that’s exactly what’s happening now with Sylki too you can’t convince me otherwise.

[miaaastuff]

Some people are gonna hate me for saying this. Actually, I kinda dig the whole Loki/Sylvie thing.

Like, yeah, it's super weird. But it's literally what he'd do. He loves himself more than we'd sometimes like to admit because we love him too much 😂. I ship Mobius/Loki too, and I still like the posts saying Loki/Sylvie is weird, but that doesn't mean they aren't shippable(to me.

Although they're variants of the same person, their personality isn't all the same. And it's not really incest?

It might sound stupid. I don't know about you, but when I see Sylvie and Loki I see them as two individuals with different personalities.

I mean, it could be worse.

We could be shipping Loki with that alligator variant🐊, but we're not. (Well if you are, bestie that's fine too. Loki has been with a horse before. What's an alligator compared to a horse?)

Marvel could've done worse. Look at the way they butchered Thor/Jane. At least Sophia and Tom have more chemistry than they do.

And if you try not to focus on the fact that it's weird, they are actually kinda cute together.

Conclusion: Loki is shippable with anyone. It's a show. Ship whoever you want.

[aster-ion]

Sylvie x Loki Might Not Happen and Here’s Why

***SPOILERS FOR LOKI TV SHOW***

1.  They are basically siblings

Even though they have different personalities, backstories, and physical appearances, that doesn't change the fact that they are the genetic equivalent of siblings. No matter what Timeline you're looking at, both Sylvie and Loki are the offspring of Laufey and whoever he had children with. We know this because they are Variants of the exact same person, meaning that if either of them were born to someone other than Laufey, they would have been pruned as a baby. And since they weren't, that means they must be just as genetically similar as siblings are.

Because of this, the idea of Sylvie and Loki engaging in any kind of romantic or sexual relationship is extremely disturbing to a lot of fans. It's too big an oversight to brush past, especially when the show has continued to remind us over and over that they are, in fact, both Lokis. Maybe if them being the same person wasn't such a major plot point, it would be easier to ignore the facts, but it is, and that means that Marvel is basically pushing either an incest or selfcest (depending on how you look at it) type relationship. And that’s extremely risque for a corporation as large as Marvel, especially with a character as beloved by fans as Loki. 

2.  It is terrible LGBTQ+ representation

And before anyone says anything, no, it is not because Sylvie is portrayed as female and Loki as male. I've seen a lot of Sylvie x Loki shippers say that the reason people don't like the couple is due to it being one between a male and female, but that's not true. Loki and Sylvie were both confirmed to be bisexual, meaning that they can engage in a relationship with anyone of any gender. It would be completely valid for either of them to pursue romance with someone of a different sex and still be bisexual. No one is arguing against that, and if they are, I definitely do not agree with them.

However, the problem comes in when you take into account Marvel and Disney's (who owns Marvel) long history of queerbaiting. There have been countless times that Disney advertises their "first gay character!" only for it to be a single line of dialogue or a brief shot. Marvel in particular has used the popularity of certain LGBTQ+ ships and headcanons in their fanbase to generate media popularity that they don't actually follow through with in their movies/shows. So when Loki was confirmed to be both genderfluid and bisexual in Episode Three, lots of people felt like they were finally getting a win for representation. 

But those people, myself included, appear to have been let down again. The first two official queer characters had so much potential to go off and be with anyone they wanted, but instead, the show has set them up to be in a romance with each other. Now, this wouldn't be problematic on it's own, but when you take into consideration the questionable nature of their romance from Point One as well as the fact that the show has explicitly referred to it as "twisted," it raises the question of whether or not this is actually good representation. Because the fact is, in one episode the writers went “look, it’s two queer people!” and in the next, they said “their relationship is disgusting and demented.” Marvel’s first bisexual characters being borderline incestuous/selfcestuous does not sit well with me at all.

All of this is made even more confusing when you take into account the background of the Loki crew, most notably, the director Kate Herron. She also directed the Netflix series Sex Education, which has quite a bit of very well done representation of all kinds. So how is she managing to fail so badly on this project? It makes me wonder whether she truly is just losing her touch or if this is all a misdirection. Personally, I'm hoping for the latter.

3.  It does not send the "self love" message people seem to think it does

The writers, director, and cast of Loki have said multiple times that the relationship between Sylvie and Loki is meant to act as a metaphor for self love. And in a way, that makes a lot of sense. Despite creating different identities for themselves over time, they are still ultimately the same person and therefore share a special bond because of it. And there's a lot of potential that can be done with that concept.

Loki is an extremely complex and intriguing character. He has experienced a lot of trauma in his past that has shaped him into the person he is today. And that person is clearly very broken. He has never given away or received any kind of love, with the exception of his mother and possibly his brother, Thor. Other than that, he's had no healthy friendships, romances, or perception of himself. It makes sense for him to be confused by this pull he feels towards Sylvie, who is both alarmingly alike and vastly different from himself.

Something this series does exceptionally well is breaking Loki out of his comfort zone. He is finally forced to see himself from other people's perspectives. It started with the file Mobius showed him in the first episode. Loki was able to view his actions apart from himself, and was hit with the realisation that he had been hurting people, and he didn't like that. 

Loki is also confronted by the existence of the Time Keepers and the TVA, who describe him as an antagonist and nothing more. To them, his role is to make those around him look better, even if that means he repeatedly gets the short end of the stick. Mobius mentions that he disagrees with this and that Loki "can be whoever and whatever he wants, even someone good," adding another layer of depth as to who Loki could be in the future of the series. 

Another huge moment for Loki's character development is while in the Time Loop Prison with Sif. Though he starts out annoyed with the situation and recalls not feeling apologetic when he cut off Sif's hair, the longer he is in the loop, the more he changes. Loki admits things to himself that we have never seen him say aloud, such as the fact that he is a narcissist that craves attention. Sif telling Loki over and over that he deserves to be alone makes Loki question whether or not he believes that to be true, allowing him an introspective moment where he really has to think about who he is. 

Now with all of that being said, I'd like to tie in why this is important to the writing of Loki and Sylvie. They act as a mirror to one another, representing both the flaws and strengths of "what makes a Loki a Loki." For once, Loki gets an honest, unbiased look at himself without layers of expectations or self doubt. On Lamentis, he calls Sylvie "amazing" and praises her for all her accomplishments. That's a huge moment for him because it shows that despite also finding her irritating, he can look past those traits and see someone worth being a hero underneath. And through that realisation, he begins to understand that he can also grow to love himself. That kind of character development for Loki is incredible to watch, and it's the kind of character development I want to see from this series. Unfortunately, them possibly engaging in a romantic relationship will ruin it.

Whenever I'm feeling insecure about myself and my abilities, the solution has never been to look at who I am through a romantic lens. Self love is an entirely different type of love from romantic love, so if the series tries to push this relationship as a romance, it will fail to truly represent the arc that they are trying to show.

4.  Nobody likes it 

This one's a little on the nose, but it's true. Almost no one likes this ship, and more than that, most people actively hate it. Yes, there is a small minority that like Loki and Sylvie together, but there is an overwhelmingly larger group that is disgusted and angry by the fact that the show paired them up.

After Episode 4 aired, I ranted for about an hour and a half with a friend about how much we didn't want them together. My aunt whom I have never texted reached out to me to say that she hated their relationship. My homophobic neighbour came over and told me that she would prefer any other romance to this. Friends that I haven't talked to much since school let out for summer have all agreed that they collectively dislike Loki x Sylvie. This ship has brought people together purely because everyone hates it more than they hate each other.

There is no denying that the general feedback for Loki and Sylvie being a couple has been negative, even if you support them getting together for some reason. So if there are so many people out there who don't like it, I'm confused as to how it would be approved by a team of professionals.

5.  The contradicting information we have gotten so far

Before the release of Episode Four, Kate Herron said that the relationship between Loki and Sylvie was “not necessarily romantic.” During the interview, she continued to refer to them as friends and people who found solace and trust in each other.

However, after Episode Four, the head writer, Michael Waldron, and other members of the crew spoke up about Sylvie and Loki. They said things like “it just felt right that that would be Loki’s first real love story” and “these are two beings of pure chaos that are the same person falling in love with one another.” These kinds of comments very heavily imply something romantic, directly contradicting what Kate Herron said. Even Tom Hiddleston, the actor for Loki, has assessed the situation, highlighting the differing viewpoints. He’s also said before that the end of Episode Four ultimately has Loki getting in his own way. 

Now, this could all just be a misdirection on either side to build suspense for the show, but as of right now, it is entirely unclear who is telling the truth. Though it is more likely that the statements made by Michael Waldron are more accurate (as he is the writer), there is still a slight possibility that Loki x Sylvie won’t happen. I’ll link the articles I’ve found on this topic below so you can read them and decide for yourself. 

Kate Herron Statement - https://www.cbr.com/loki-sylvie-relationship-not-romantic/ 

Michael Waldron Statement - https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/loki-sylvie-in-love 

Tom Hiddleston Statement - https://thedirect.com/article/loki-tom-hiddleston-sylvie-romance 

6.  It is still salvageable

The odds are not in our favour, I’m afraid. It is highly probable that the show will put Loki and Sylvie in a romantic relationship with each other. Yet there is still a way to salvage it and turn their bond into something incredibly satisfying. Like I mentioned in Point Three, the relationship between Loki and Sylvie has the potential to be incredibly empowering and provide both characters some much-needed growth. And I believe that while unlikely, it can still do that. 

The only mention of them being romantically interested in each other came from Mobius, who at the time was angry, betrayed, and doing anything he could to get Loki to talk. Then, at the end of the episode, right before Loki is about to confess something important to Sylvie, he is pruned. This results in no explicit confirmation from either Loki or Sylvie that they are in love with each other. The audience is left not knowing whether Mobius was correct in his speculations, and honestly, I don’t think Loki knows either.

Loki is no expert on love, as I explained earlier. It is entirely possible that he doesn’t grasp how he feels about Sylvie and defaults to romance because of what Mobius said. There is undoubtedly some sort of deep bond forming between them, and I would love to see that being explored in the next two episodes. I would love to watch Loki’s journey of realising that he doesn’t want anything romantic with Sylvie, and was simply confused by the new things he was feeling towards her. Loki even says “this is new for me” when talking to Sylvie at the end of Episode Four. Him momentarily believing that he wants to be a couple with her then shifting into them becoming friends who help each other grow is still a reality that could happen. And ultimately, I think that would benefit them both as characters as well as strengthen the overall message of the show.

In a show about self love, acceptance of yourself, and figuring out who you want to be, Loki very much needs people who support him. He has that in Mobius already, and now he’s beginning to have it in Sylvie as well. I just hope that it is done in a way that resonates with the audience and subverts expectations, which just cannot be done through some twisted romantic relationship. I’ve spoken to others watching the show and seen people talking online, and everyone seems to agree that Loki and Sylvie work much better as platonic soulmates or found family than a couple. 

Of course, my hopes aren’t that high up. While I’d love for this to happen, I’ve been let down by Marvel before and wouldn’t be surprised if they went for the easy route of pairing characters up rather than dealing with the emotions correctly. Still, I have hope for this series. Everything else about it is wonderful and perfect in every way. It has the potential to become a masterpiece and easily the best thing that Marvel has ever done. However, this romance would ruin it for me and so many others. We already feel incredibly disappointed by Loki x Sylvie being suggested, so I can’t even begin to fathom how people will react if the show makes it canon. I’m begging Marvel to please do better than this. They have a wonderful story to tell and a wonderful team to do it, and I hope from the bottom of my heart that they don’t throw that away. 

[janetsnakehole02]

So I have a lot of reasons for disliking the Loki/Sylvie ship and I’m not trying to be negative I just wanna give my logic for why bc as a college student who’s on break and has too much free time on her hands I’ve been thinking about this for a long long time and I just gotta let it all out you can scroll past if this isn’t your thing

Sometimes the writers play it off as “his journey to self love” WELL self love is not the same as romantic love and Loki’s journey to self love and self acceptance is sullied by reducing his relationship w Sylvie to a mere romance

There’s also zero consistency because other times the writers have excused the ship because “they’re different people” well you just called it Loki’s journey to self love and you had multiple characters (Mobius and Sylvie) point out throughout the show that they’re the same so pls tell me are they the same or are they different

I’m just tired of seeing solid friendships being turned into romance for the sake of more views or whatever like there’s beauty in platonic love and I wish the writers just preserved the amazing chaotic bond they had in episode 3

I know selfcest isn’t real but it does feel weird to me knowing that they both share a brother (Thor). And look at their names - Loki Laufeyson and Sylvie Laufeydottir. It just makes me feel weird. Even though it’s technically not incest and technically Sylvie grew up differently and they’re both technically adopted and therefore not related to Thor by blood, in the words of Klaus Hargreeves “if you have to use the word technically you’re already in trouble”

Even if you can somehow get past the weird family dynamics or whatever they’re just terribly mismatched and it couldn’t be more obvious in episode 6 when Sylvie wants to kill He Who Remains and Loki says they should think about it first. Maybe it’s because Sylvie hasn’t gone through the development that Loki has, but the fact that she didn’t trust him from the start (nor did she seem to reciprocate whatever feelings he had for her tbh which isn’t a bad thing it’s just an observation) does not seem like the best way to start a relationship of any kind

Maybe this is just a personal preference but I know if I were dating a version of myself I would just be in a constant state of confusion. I would have so many identity crises just one after the other and idk if he and Sylvie did pursue some sort of romantic relationship I don’t see it ending well because I feel like Loki would have the same issue as me

I guess that’s why the kiss felt so gross and forced to me (besides the fact that it was also a manipulation tactic) and I can only hope that going forward into season 2 they fix the damage that kiss caused and repair Loki and Sylvie’s relationship in a non-romantic way

[discoscoob]

i do lol at people saying they justifying incest/selfcest, 1. it not incest as they not siblings, Sylvie is a variant of loki. 2. it fiction it not like selfcest can exist in real life xd. i do lol at screaming how this is wrong and gross etc yet people ship thor/loki, president loki/loki, wandavison etc then could say the same people justifying and overlooking mobius abuse etc of loki.

There’s honestly nothing to justify, when we try to explain it it’s not an attempt to justify an interesting fictional concept, it’s an attempt to explain a fictional concept to people who are too... (sorry) dumb to understand there is nothing wrong with exploring wacky concepts within the realms of fiction, that’s literally what it is for.

It is baffling to me that there are actual people outraged about selfcest, should writers never explore this fictional concept just because some people can’t take the time to understand it?

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sylvie parents probably not odin and frigga though people saying it incest and are variants of them like she is of loki but not odin and frigga, just like she is not loki i do question if possible sylvie might actually be an only child and not have a sibling? like loki does with thor? and maybe unlike sylvie not had to compete for her parents affections, but then again if she was taken away from home she wouldn't have to if does have a sibling, if she does i lean towards too sisters as loki and thor are 2 brothers. but maybe be interesting if it 1 son and 1 daughter too. maybe if get know sylvie more, people understand more how sylvie is not loki even if is a variant of him.

I hope we find out more about her family, I’m really interested in learning more about her.