#pitbull discourse

[wolf-tail]

people when you tell them a pitbull is just a dog and not a mindless toddler-eating killing machine or a harmless angel incapable of so much as scratching you

[bozorubear]

there's something that feels extremely dogwhistly about the whole pitbull hate thing. Like, everytime someone is defending the position that pitbulls are inherently dangerous and shouldn't exist, there's a deep pulsating hatred in their words that sound less like someone arguing about something in good-faith with legitimate concerns about people's safety and more like the way racists talk about black people.

like, let's say that you are correct and pitbulls are, in fact, a dangerous breed that should be gone. Doesn't matter how strongly you feel about this subject, you are still talking about a living being that has absolutely no consciousness about morality or the weight of their actions in any way, shape or form. The arguments are never that pitbulls are dangerous, and more so that pitbulls are EVIL. Whenever there's a case of pitbull violence, a lot of the arguments bring this implicit sense that the dog is *responsible* for what it did and should be morally judged, and punished for it. I don't think anyone who would argue against pitbulls in legitimate good-faith would ever HATE pitbulls, and more so have a neutral and rational perspective that comes from a place of genuinely caring about people's safety, but this is not really the case, is it? In their eyes, there's joy in watching pitbulls die. There's a latent desire of doing basically a holocaust with the entire breed. There's the need to argue that the animal is not only dangerous, but actively cruel and intentfully harmful. There is a unbelievable hatred that is just... not normal.

It doesn't matter how correct you are about the inherent danger in a pitbull's presence, talking about a breed of dogs with the same language and rhetoric that nazis use to talk about black people will always be extremely fucking suspicious.

[blacklezrage]

i'm getting a pitbull just to fuck with all of you

[puncivilian]

What is that whips people into a fever pitch about pitbulls? Like actually. Because they aren't the only dog with a reputation for danger- Rottweilers, doberman pinschers, German shepherds, Belgian Malinois - and those last two are often police dogs! Attack dogs! Yet it's only pitbulls regarded with vitriol, to the point that people will misidentify dogs as pitbulls because they were aggressive. Even boxers will be misidentified as pitbulls. So I don't really feel like eyewitnesses claiming they saw a pitbull mail someone can be trusted.

Idk man. I grew up around pitbulls, they're my mom's favourite dog. I've never been bitten or attacked by one. I've been bitten by a hormonal boxer mama, my nibling was bitten on the ear as a kid by a random mixed breed german-lab puppy, but neither of those breeds have the same stigma. I just. Don't get it. People don't give actual reasons, just claim the statistics stand for themselves (despite, again, the fact that people misidentify them, and the fact that statistics need to take into account the percentage of that breed that lives there, the fact that there are statistics for the opposite view...)

But if you really believe that, then what is it about the breed that causes this "unnatural aggression"? Can they point out actual reasons that this dog is, somehow, special compared to other dogs? What is it that sets apart the brain of a pitbull from the brain of a cane corso? Like if it's actually true (obviously I don't think it is, but science isnt about 'I think'), I want to know the reason these breeds are "unsafe". Why do they ignore the temperament reports which show that they rate below average for unprovoked aggression? Seriously, one actual scientifically-backed reason and not a frothing rage-fueled rant about how "I saw a pitbull maul a kid! So there!"

[judasvibe]

Pitbull owners are some of the most deranged and empathy-less groups of people i’ve ever encountered and they’re in complete denial about it or worse, maliciously lying

‘It’s the deed not the breed!!’ The breed was literally selected for violent unpredictable behavior for dog fights that still illegally go on today and are the reason so many of them flood shelters

Everyone looooves pointing out how their dog ‘herds/points/retrieves/etc’ as it was genetically selected for by breeders until you talk abt bully breeds and aggression suddenly genetics cease to exist there. Oopsie!

The people calling it racist have terminal online activist brain tho

[griseldagimpel]

My First Hate Comment on AO3!

Stop the clock; I’ve received my first hate comment on AO3, after posting 209 works.

Was it my Sylki fic or my Reylo fic? My Omegaverse stuff? That one Blackbeard/Izzy fic I did with the tentacles?

Nope, nope, nope!

It was for my G-rated soft, fluffy cottage-core post-series fic for This is How You Lose the Time War where Red and Blue adopt a dog.

The dog in the story’s a pit-mix.

The anonymous commenter NoneTooPleased did NOT approve of that!

Story Link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/35018275

Now-frozen Comment Link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/35018275/comments/536575185 (I froze the thread, so NoneTooPleased can’t be dog-piled.)   

Their Comment: “You ruined this story by making the dog a sh*tbull mix.”

What can be gleaned from this? Well, for one thing, it’s a good example of how someone being anti one thing (even if they don’t call themselves that, they’re anti it enough to bring their hate into my mentions) doesn’t mean they’re anti other things. This is How Your Lose the Time War, after all, is a story with a great deal of violence. The person presumably had no objection to that, given that they read a fan fic for it. Similarly, they aren’t anti-wlw, which both the canon and my fan fic are.

For another thing, I really wish AO3 had a blocking feature. I utilized the tools available to curtail a response from NoneTooPleased by freezing the thread and turning off anon comments for that story. That so far has been sufficient. But a dedicated troll could easily spam the comments of my other fics, and to stop that, I would have to individually turn off anon comments on those, submit a ticket to the abuse team, and then wait for them to get to it. A block button, when implemented, sidesteps all that by just letting me block that specific person.

Because honestly? I don’t like turning off anon comments, even for one story. I’ve gotten so many lovely comments from anons over the years, and I hate to punish all anons just because one person really has a hate on for pitbulls. (In fact, I will probably turn anon comments back on for the fic in question in a week or so.)

In conclusion, no dog breed is bad, and a pitbull (or pitbull-mix) raised right will be just as much a good boy or good girl as any other dog raised right.

[dead-twink-storage]

Love Pitbull discourse because for every bpd white woman posting her "pibbie princess" named Daisy wearing a flower crown you have like 15 hoodrats naming their pitbulls shit like Statutory Rape and the constant hot boxing of ditchweed is the only thing keeping it from turning the local playground sandbox into the opening beach massacre from Saving Private Ryan

[honeyblockm]

Log on. House MD. Like 20 posts hidden under the discourse filter. Did something happen or did u guys scare urself over a shadow again. Pitbulls apparently. Rapper or dog? Oh the dog. House MD. Dunmeshi post. Dunmeshi yuri. Laios. Oh something actually happened. Fall out boy man. House MD. I spot cquackitys beautiful face. The stars are in alignment. Log off

[blackswallowtailbutterfly]

re: Big Dog Discourse

I absolutely love big dogs and have formed friendships with many: dalmatians, pitbulls, rottweilers, golden retrievers, collies, huskies, labs, dobermans, malamutes, shepherds, sammoyeds, mix breeds. But I also have the scar of one bite and the memory of another.

It's the owner, not the dog. Which means if I don't trust the owner--and I don't if it's a stranger--I don't trust the dog. If the dog is loose and I don't even see the owner, I absolutely don't trust the dog.

Dog is woman's best friend. I believe that wholeheartedly. If I had my own property, one of the first things I'd do would be to get two puppies who would grow to be big dogs. This would be both for companionship and to protect myself and my property. One time I was at a college friend's house and he showed us how his own dog immediately started snarling and barking at him if he made a creeping motion towards his girlfriend and wouldn't stop until he changed his posture or backed up. Another time a man whose house I went to was making me very uncomfortable and his own dog crawled on top of me to shield me and looked back at him with the whites showing in her eyes.

Unfortunately, men, also owning dogs, and especially preferring big dogs, often encourage aggression. I don't trust random men on the street, so I don't trust their dogs either.

Also a dog being woman's best friend is *her* best friend but not necessarily *mine*, and unfortunately there are plenty of irresponsible female owners of dogs. I don't get my hackles up around a random woman on the street, but I don't know how well she's trained her dog.

Now, obviously if someone's making baseless accusations about your dog I'm with you on not taking kindly to it. But you cannot blame people for simply exercising caution around an animal that could seriously injure them or worse. And you need to train them.

[jewishbarbies]

literally out of nowhere my fucking tiktok feed is full of pitbull discourse and I didn’t even click on anything, like I’m actively blocking accounts and filtering words. I’m so sick of this fucking debate. pitbulls don’t exist because they’re fun and cute. the breed was created for violence. I don’t believe dogs are evil because dogs are not capable of a human capacity for what we consider evil. certain dog breeds were bred for violence and still have predispositions for violent/aggressive behaviors and a large majority of people owning these breeds do not understand the breed, how to handle them, or proper dog ownership. you having a good experience with a pitbull does not do away with the countless injuries and fatalities, and unless there’s an effective way to ensure no backyard breeding and owners are properly educated/dogs are properly trained, then there aren’t many ways to lower those numbers outside of limiting/banning the breed to some degree. no, that doesn’t mean the dog is “evil”. this isn’t some debate on whether or not dogs are morally sound, you morons. if you’re not advocating for alternatives you have no right to speak in this discussion.

[songsintheattic]

pitbull discourse always makes me furious, not because i care about people disliking certain breeds or even particularly like them myself, but because it is always factually inaccurate

[solradguy]

This isn’t Johnny discourse but it is kind of discourse about the discourse about him balding (which he isn’t).

What would it matter if he took off his hat and he was a shining beacon?? The dude canonically fucks (well not canon-canon but I feel like there’s implications of fucks-ing)!! At the most, he would be a Pitbull reference and that would be cool because good for Daisuke. Listen to Timber by Ke$ha (feat. Pitbull).

It kind of felt like they were making jokes at the expense of people loosing hair. It’s like that thing where you shouldn’t make fun of people for ‘X’ because then your friends who ‘X’ will know you think that about them.

John E is cool. I think he’s lame but he’s cool.

-A concerned Jellyfish Pirate

Idk anything about Pitbull, to be honest, but my GOD does he look like he's having the time of his life in the Timber video hahah Been a while since I heard that song...

Anyway, Johnny totally fucks. There's no way a man that toned, running around shirtless all of the time, with that slight yeehaw accent, couldn't find someone DTF with the tiniest bit of effort. He's absolutely gettin it rofl He could still get it if he was bald too, or receding.

I've complained about it on here a bit already, but yeah I don't think people making fun of Johnny because they think he's losing hair realize that a lot of people in real life are going to lose their hair as they age, and their jokes at Johnny are also jokes at these people. It's not even just an issue cis men can have either, everyone's hair thins with age, some just more (and sooner) than others. To make fun of someone, fictional or otherwise, for losing their hair is digging a trench to fill with future self loathing at one's own hair loss. And hair loss in >2023 isn't even that bad anymore!! There are so many ways to manage and style it now.

Johnny's a babe. Big fan of his "dad trying too hard to be cool but is actually somehow still really cool despite that" energy

[ms-hells-bells]

idk why the dog discourse is back again, but as someone that both lives in a country with high levels of pitbull/staffie ownership and interacts daily with dog owners and dog issues in my volunteer work, they aren't just randomly violent for no reason with good guardians who are shocked that it happened. the way people treat pitties here is fucking horrible, because they have the rep/stereotype of guard dogs or attack dogs, people who are lower class, close to or in gangs, use drugs, or are just hypermasculine get those male dogs, DON'T DESEX THEM (so, more aggression), don't properly train them, but scream at and beat them, because they think that's what will 'toughen' a pittie up and make them attack dogs. 99% of the time it does not, they just become miserable recluses, super withdrawn and fearful (most dog attacks are NOT out of anger or territory based aggression, they're fear aggression, when the dog feels extremely scared, and doesn't see a way out, and the human (often a child) ignores the warnings, like growling, showing teeth, certain poses, etc. another one is food/possession aggression, where their trauma and lack of proper training means that they cannot cope with people in their space and taking their things. you'll see bites at children who grab food from their dog bowls).

but they still love their owners, i have lost count of the amount of times, literally more than the fingers on my hands, i have seen men scream at, kick, punch, etc. their intact male pitbulls (not legal in nz unless a licenced breeder btw, but still a widespread issue), and the dogs still get excited and wag their tails, and want to play whenever the man comes back from work or whatever, they still seek touch and affection. it's just horrible, i have aided in someone else....disappearing a dog to a better life not exactly legally, that was treated like this because the spca wouldn't do shit, unless there's a dead or gravely injured animal, and people physically saw the owner/s do it, they don't care. those dogs have so often been abused from 10 weeks old, and they still seek love. very rarely some are so mentally damaged that they DO attack someone, and unfortunately they get put down, which i have complicated feelings about, but that's a different topic, i won't get into it in this post.

but yeah, you abuse a dog, don't train a dog, and destroy a dog's sense of safety, of course they are gonna be at a higher risk of aggression, because they have ptsd, they are traumatised and in constant fear of harm. and i do believe that there is a biological element due to the bite force of pitties and similar dogs, as well as breeding for specific personality traits. but we also see so many bites (far more than pitties and other large dogs) from small dogs, they just can't cause deaths or usually severe injuries because they are small, but they are attacking for the exact same reasons; fear and lack of training. so many people just have zero respect for other living beings. it's why i'm against breeding and domestication as a whole, because we just completely fuck with their lives for our own benefit. pitbulls as a species should not exist, just like near every other dog on earth apart from wild ones (that do include domestic species, but very quickly become just 'mixed' dogs). which is a similar opinion to many ANTI-pitbull people, but i come at it from an angle of empathy (as well as applying it to all dogs, we should not be breeding 'the perfect pet'). they didn't ask to be here and be treated so cruelly.

i'm not gonna reply to any responses to this trying to argue. i have posted about this before and had all those arguments. i know the statistics, i know the biology, psychology, and i have real world first hand experience. you are not fighting with me on my opinion on this.

[discourseposter]

I'm trying so hard to not engage on online discourse about PITBULLS of all things.

[transfaguette]

yeah i agree it honestly sucks there. i especially hate the boys vs girls memes. also teh site culture is disgusting, its full of lesbian fetishists and transphobes n yada yada yada.... im so glad i quit

I tried going back recently until I saw people having honest to god genuine "are pitbulls biologically evil" discourse and I was like. i can't do this.

[oddclan-askblog]

When your bro is a Slog enthusiast 

oddworld “pitbulls are bad” discourse ensues