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as a Trekkie watching everyone freak out about ao3 being down and asking who Lore is just showing me how uncultured the common riffraff and plebeians are today.
tsk tsk who is lore? the lore of Lore is thus; he is data’s evil android twin
the joke is that ao3 is asking you if you’re an evil robot when you enter the site
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Hello, thank you for your informative posts, I have learned so much from you! I have question, how big of a distinction were the plebian and patrician labels among the senatorial families? Like, the gens Licinia or Junia were plebian but very politically influential by the late republic. Would their patrician colleagues actually look down on them for being plebs?
Thank you for your kind words! I'm so happy to have a place to infodump, and that it can be fun for others, too.
So, the patrician/plebeian divide gradually shrank from the early republic until the late republic. Early on, it was huge, and it took centuries for plebeians to achieve full representation in government. But by Cicero's time, it hardly mattered. Although patrician families like the Julii were proud of their status, and a few politically insignificant offices were patrician-only, well-connected plebeians like the Sempronii and Caecilii Metelli could outweigh them in prestige and influence.
In fact, in the late republic, being a wealthy plebeian could be an advantage! Only plebeians could become tribunes of the plebs, vote in the plebeian assembly, and at least one consul had to be a plebeian each year. This is why Clodius Pulcher, who wanted to become a tribune, had to get himself "adopted" by a plebeian first and change his status.
Another big factor is that patrician families just...kept dying out, or falling below the wealth threshold to stay in politics. That's what happens when you create a small, exclusive group of families with no regular way to add new members, and you make the cost of staying in that group (funding senatorial careers) very high. The number of patricians eventually dropped so low that Julius Caesar, Augustus, and later emperors had to enroll new patrician families to compensate.
Meanwhile, the plebeian population kept rising thanks to immigration, manumission, and citizenship expansions. As new economic opportunities (like conquest, slave mines and plantations...) arose, many beneficiaries were plebeian families. Sheer force of numbers made it impractical for patricians to keep to their exclusive little club. Caesar's family was one of many that married wealthy, high-flying "new men": Gaius Marius married Caesar's aunt, and Caesar's niece would marry Gaius Octavius, future father of Augustus.
However! Society might change, but people will always find ways to be snobs. In the middle and late republic, the snobbery came from nobiles, families who had at least one consular ancestor, whether patrician or plebeian. And they were snobbiest toward new men like Cicero, who didn't.
We joke a lot about how annoying Cicero was about his achievements. But this is a big part of why he talked himself up: with no "worthy" ancestors, he had to prove his worth to the Roman aristocracy on his own merits, over and over. Still, once he attained the consulship, his descendants could inherit nobile status from him.
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@sayonaradumbass (Andre and Lupin)
"I do not know how a human such as yourself managed to trespass upon my property, but I would put down that priceless, antique vase if I were you." Seriously who let this riffraff into his abode? He should fire his guards.
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Plebeians
Plebeians were members of the plebs, the hereditary social class of commoners in ancient Rome. Their exclusion from political power by the patricians, who claimed to be the descendants of the first senators, led to Conflict of the Orders, a centuries-long struggle for equal political rights for plebeians, which saw the creation of the Twelve Tables and other laws.
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Hey, Roy! I've seen that sometimes you carry Ludwig around when he falls asleep? How sweet. :3 ......... What happens when he needs the bathroom??
Roy: "I know, allowing an incontinent person to fall asleep on you is risky, but once you figure out timing potty breaks, it's no issue at all!"
"Speaking of..." *Looks at the clock* "Please excuse us for just a moment!!" *Runs off*
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