#ppl say this about ace attorney for example

[eyeoftheaxolotl]

"this was so obvious to me" wasn't for me. "this game is so easy who would even enjoy this" i did and i found it challenging actually. "nobody would ever fall for this" i did.

when you talk about a video game through the lens of your own experience, you are speaking as a player with your own capabilities and preferences. remember that

[fancy-feast-official]

instead of doing anything normal (like taking ibuprofen for my headache) i just spent the past four hours of my life writing an essay on why manfred von karma is abusive. kind of proud of it ngl.

also i tagged all quotes from the original post i'm talking about to their actual [user].tumblr.com site which has really bright colors fyi. i'll link the tumblr.com/[user] site at the end of the essay if bright colors don't work for you. also if ppl start sending me hate i'm just gonna block them.

In a Tumblr post by Wendy/Jessie Rose Rocket (referred to from here on as Wendy) on their interpretation of Manfred von Karma (MvK) in the Ace Attorney series, they argue that there is little canon evidence that MvK could have ever abused his children.[1] This however, is not the case, as there are various examples which they cite themselves that include traits of emotional abuse, including a hyper-controlling nature, manipulation, and invalidation of the victim’s feelings.

Before I get into the various examples given in the original post which indicate emotional abuse, I will say that I am not going to attack the more personal aspects of this argument, nor do I wish to attack any people who believe that MvK is not an abuser. I only want to look at the facts of his characterization and dissect the argument itself. Ignoring or overwriting the signs of emotional abuse in fictional characters can pose some threat to real people – if they’ll excuse emotional manipulation in fiction, they may be willing to excuse when they themselves are emotionally manipulated. I also think that it is misleading for Wendy to state that they are alright with abuse victims writing MvK as an abuser, before spending several hundred words explaining why they don’t think that MvK is an abuser, and that Ace Attorney fans are wrong in interpreting him that way.

Also, I will mention that both my own essay and the original post are triggered somewhat by the Filter Bubble Effect,[2] where content filtering and selection leads to a person only seeing one opinion or viewpoint. Wendy mentions that, while they see differing viewpoints on MvK on Tumblr, Twitter, and AO3, they do not see interpretations of him as abusive on other sites. I personally disagree with this statement as entirely factual, as before this post was made I had never seen interpretations of MvK as anything other than abusive. There is likely a split between these two interpretations, and I’m not willing to hazard a guess as to percentages in each camp.

With all that said, Wendy also mentions that both Miles Edgeworth (Edgeworth) and Franziska von Karma (Franziska) are “incredibly queer & nd coded.”[3] This is somewhat untrue. Both Edgeworth and Franziska are written as stuffy, calculating, and believing themselves to be entirely logical. While these are considered traits of neurodivergency, it is stated within the canon of the games that these traits have been trained in them by MvK. There’s an argument to be made on nurture versus nature (especially in the case of Edgeworth), but for the purposes of my argument I am going to say that this is more due to their upbringings than anything else.

While Edgeworth is somewhat queer-coded, it is only really present as a joke (Implications that Edgeworth isn’t aware that women find him attractive[4]), or because of his relationship with Phoenix Wright.[5] Franziska is not queer coded, though she is written as somewhat masculine compared to other female characters. This characterization is more a result of her being a female version of MvK and Edgeworth, and less to do with any alleged queerness.

The first piece of evidence which Wendy gives, under the context that it is “the one single piece of evidence that team fanfred brings to the table,”[6] are three lines from  Ace Attorney Investigations, both in the fourth case. The first is a conversation between Franziska and  MvK,

Franziska: Papa! You’ll come and watch my courtroom debut next, won’t you?

Manfred: Hmm… I’ll consider it.[7]

This conversation is rather innocuous, though it shows that MvK can be dismissive of his children at times. The more damning line is the second one which Wendy includes, where MvK says to Edgeworth, “A worthless person like you has no right to claim such a thing as perfection!”[8] This is one of many examples of MvK expecting nothing but perfection from both of his children. An expectation of perfection leads to Franziska and Edgeworth doubting themselves, and feeling worthless.[9] MvK places high importance on perfection, leading to his care for his children being conditional, reliant on their ability to be perfect.[10] Among other things, instilling self-doubt and worthlessness, and making acceptance or care conditional are signs that someone is being emotionally abusive.[11]

MvK is shown in various media to have a constant need for perfection and control of everything around him. in Ace Attorney Investigations, he manipulates aspects of cases so that he is guaranteed to win,[12] something he also does in “Turnabout Goodbyes.” It is completely reasonable that, when his own protégé does not display this inhuman perfection, he would be upset and lash out, as he does in the above example. Wendy notes that the word used in the original exchange, 半人前, does not translate to “worthless,” but instead to “an amateur / someone without experience.”[13] This, of course, is much more accurate to the context of their situation, but stating that the translation must have been made in bad faith is besides the point. There is no reason that MvK should be putting such high expectations for perfection on someone who, in real life, would not even have finished college yet. While it does not hold much weight as evidence for my own argument, it holds very little weight for their argument as well. However, it is important to cover this exchange, as they believe it is the only evidence a so-called “Fanfred” might be able to find indicating an abusive characterization.

Wendy continues on by listing the many ways in the anime that MvK is shown to be a good father. While they can be seen as evidence that he is not abusive, abusers can be nice to their victims, for a myriad of reasons. This can be done for any number of reasons, including: Bolstering the abusers image to the victim or outsiders, or to convince themselves they are a good person; As a manipulation tactic; And because the abuser is in the recovery phase of the abuse cycle.[14] I am going to focus on the former of these two reasons, as they are more likely in the von Karma situation. 

The most striking of the initial examples from the anime is Edgeworth’s statement that “he considers [MvK] the only person who was there for him after his father died.”[15] While this can seem like a positive thing, it is important to note that MvK very clearly isolated Edgeworth from his friends by moving him out of his house, away from his friends (who are not provided with any information as to why he’s gone). Social isolation is a tactic of abuse, used to tether a victim to their abuser so that they are more reliant on them.[16] The next examples of MvK complying with Franziska’s demands in an effort to make Edgeworth smile after he first moves in with them could be an example of him wanting to cheer Edgeworth up after the death of his father (who, I will remind you, was killed by MvK). However, this could have underlying motives, where MvK wants Edgeworth to open up to him, so that he might have more control over him. By killing Gregory Edgeworth, and raising his son to be as ruthless as himself, MvK takes care of the “curse” that he believes the Edgeworths to be.[17]

In the anime, MvK reacts rather calmly to Edgeworth’s first ever defeat during “Turnabout Samurai.” Wendy states that he seems “perplexed,” but is not in any way “cruel and unusual” what he says during that conversation.[18] Taken out of the context of MvK’s behavior, this is plausible. However, over the 15 years that he raised Edgeworth, he emphasized perfection over all else. Edgeworth’s reaction to losing is so negative because of MvK’s influences on his ideas of self-worth. In the conversation, MvK also advises Edgeworth to not have feelings, invalidating any feelings that Edgeworth might have about the cases he works on, feelings which can be necessary in determining the truth.

I agree with Wendy that MvK is, as they put it “a despicable fucking human being.”[19] In “Turnabout Goodbyes” alone, he:

Commits aggravated assault, including assault against a minor

Steals and tampers with evidence

Engages in conspiracy to commit murder, and is shown to have committed murder himself

Frames two people for murders that he was involved in

Due to his propensity for physical violence, it is no stretch to assume that he is physically violent with his own family members.[20] Even if he is not physically abusive, it has been shown time and time again that he emotionally abuses his children, and even despite that they look up to him. It is not uncommon for an abuse victim to love or care for their abuser. This can lead to blaming oneself for the abuse, and normalizing the abuse that is happening.[21] The reactions that Wendy wants to see in fics are plausible reactions for abusive victims to have when their abuser dies. It is possible for someone to understand they are being abused and yet still love the person doing the abusing.

Now, the lead poisoning business. Yes, it is possible for someone to get lead posioning from a bullet wound.[22] This is a plausible excuse for MvK’s behavior in later years, however, his tendency towards manipulation and hyper-control are present in “The Inherited Turnabout,” before he’s shot.[23] While lead poisoning does cause irritability, it also causes memory difficulties,[24] something that would hinder MvK’s ability to write his detailed plan for payback which he sends to Yanni Yogi.[25] This removes any plausible deniability for MvK in the murder of Robert Hammond – he very clearly knew what he was doing, and knew the consequences, which is why he tried to frame Edgeworth and Yogi. In a real court of law, he would be competent to stand trial for his crimes.

In conclusion, while he is not explicitly shown to physically abuse his children, Manfred von Karma canonically emotionally abuses his children, forcing them to adhere to his strict sense of perfection and morality. When both Franziska and Edgeworth fail to live up to his impossible standards, they doubt their own abilities and self-worth. Excusing this behavior in any person could lead to people not realizing that they’re being abused, and therefore having more difficulty getting out of abusive situations. It’s alright to like MvK as a character, but deliberately overlooking his abusive tendencies is to overlook a major part of his character, and his relationship with Edgeworth and Franziska.

"I'm Going to Change Your Mind About Manfred Von Karma"

[draceempressa]

What is your favorite thing about Twisted wonserland?

The "respectful yet creative fanfic aspect", probably.

it is clearly made with not only love to the disney classic itself, but even references to the orginal stories,while also adding Yana's creative spin to it. that even if you the original story, you still don't know what happened next, but when you are surprised, you are PLEASANTLY surprised. while understanding it was inentiomal subversion of the tropes regarding the fanfic it was based from. I always have a thing for this kind of "respectful yet creative fanfic aspect", another example would be The Great Ace Attorney, in which it was a fanfic to Sherlock Holmes. TWST clearly is more respectful to the og disney story than KH will ever be.

Another would be the consistent gray morality of the boys, they are deep, complex, yet you can make them say "ah yes school boys." but being joshimuke characters, they are not stock shonen hero/antihero, but have their own morals, standard, motifs to be interesting. , not true hero nor true villain, helping for their own gains... but when you think they are insincere, emotional comfort is something, so there's nothing truly free in this world, even emotional comfort is transactional , and you can see it here.

I also like how the boys surprisingly aren't as emotionally constipiated as many ficitonal men are, many times they openly cry, angry, laugh, rely on other, even sometimes if more tsundere, but the concept of "men doesn't feel" certainly isn't in TWST, even if the boys are tsundere to the idea of frienships.

The psychosocial elements of twst is also good, while making sesne in regards to the original great seven themselves, as well the symbolism around it. I don't like women enough to try Madoka Magica, nor am I brave enough to try Silent Hill, but I love the idea of "your fears and shame materialized into a monster that symbolizes that shame/fears" .

Related to the first one, Twst also is quite the deconstruction fleet, but without being overtly edgy about it. Malleus, for example. He is the final boss, but while typically final bosses are fueled by hate and killing intent, malleus is fueled by love and desire to protect/save, something that is usually saved for the hero instead, and the way Malleus is clearly fueled by unhealthy kind of love certainly give the phrase "the power of love" chills, while also make you understanding he is salvagable as he's not hating in the first place, but loving.

The way twst uniforms are so customized, you can tell they are yes, still students of nrc, but they are also their own thing, different than the generic mc. I admit i"m biased, but Vil customized without denying the part he is part of NRC, but while still eye catching enough , showing his individuality. The vest, blazer and tie are worn properly, but the shirt is dark gray when other student wears white, with the red belt, and the shoes are formal leather shoes but heeled.

I do like the idea of twst oc that is iinspired by other disney properties, see how ppl make twstfied other disney characters, but otherwise I don't like twst ocs, especially yume ocs.

[lunariamv]

about me :>

so i just realized i cant just be some random person posting stuff without much context..... so here we go

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hi, my name is lunaria, or luna ^^

˚✧ some grill that wants to be a artist, writer, and maybe like a lowkey game dev

˚✧ i consume a lot of media: video games, anime, yt, movies, tv shows, books, fanfics, etc

˚✧ i really love the impact media and stories have on the world and people, and there's a lot i love, but also there's a lot out there that frustrates me, or feels like it's missing something, so i wanna throw my hat into the ring and make my own content for me and other girls like me <3

˚✧ atm i write fanfics to practice writing and build an audience, and i draw fanart to improve art skill, also just so i have an art portfolio,,,, cuz if i just started posting games without much of a background i feel like ppl are gonna be like,, "who tf is this???" lol

⊹˚. game dev??? ⊹˚.

i'm really interested in making my own games, specifically rpg maker ones because rpg maker/rpg horror/indie horror is my fav genre (pewdiepie's misao gameplay was my first horror game ever <3); i just love retro horror style a lot

so i'm practicing pixel art and stuff and then later i want to learn some 日本語 so i can translate the games, and also learn to make music so i can go full toby fox lol

and then maybe later on if i got rlly ambitious and had a lot of money id make fancy otome games, manga, fancy horror games, and pERSONA FOR GIRLS

i have a lot of ideas for diff series and id love to share them all <3

⊹˚. my inspirations: ⊹˚.

˚✧ game wise: currently my inspirations are charon (of those yan charon games) and dsp (ik they go by a different name now but that's what i know them as, also its funny because the name reminds me of darksydephil HAHAHA); i like the retro pixel and slight horror themes and aesthetic of their games, but i dislike the writing, so i'm gonna make my own :D

also i like the idea of an oc multiverse like dsp's so i want that too

toby fox is also technically an inspiration too; i wanna learn music so i can make my own bangers with little references and leitmotifs for fun :>>>

˚✧ writing wise: i have a lot, but my main inspirations are mostly like writing in the anime-ish games; danganronpa, persona, ace attorney, yttd, kakegurui; psychological stuff where you gotta think about them, but they also have unique quirky characters and they interact with each other in creative ways

also horror and psychological, i like writing about scary stuff and characters with their complexities, and addressing the rlly messed up parts of humanity and society bc its spooky;; sometimes with a very dark nihilistic outlook bc i love angst, or sometimes with an optimistic one

((thats kinda why i like yan stories but more in the horror sense, like look at all the crazy scary stuff this person is doing lol))

but for characters in general, i like stuff with FEMCS <33333 persona 3 with ya girl kotone shiomi, danganronpa v3 with kaede, sara in your turn to die, genshin lumine, and that one part in ace attorney where we get to play as mia fey

that's also why i lowkey like the writing in romcom/chick flick movies, cuz its just unique characters and stories and usually has a female protag or a group of girls as the mcs

LIKE MISS CONGENIALITY, MEAN GIRLS, AND LEGALLY BLONDE I LOVE THOSE MOVIES SM AND I HAVE MILLIONS MORE EXAMPLES BUT WE'D BE HERE FOREVER

but aside from heavy and horror stories, i also like simple cute straightforward stories like older barbie movies XD (or winx, mlp, bratz, monster high…); they're just really wholesome and cute where ya girl goes on a magical adventure with quirky characters and learns good lessons like trust, courage, friendship, etc…

ITS MUSHY BUT I LOVE IT AAAAA

so my main theme is being a girl and doing stuff, bc girlbossing is fun

but ya know i like making hot guy characters too wwwww

⊹˚. my art/writing style ⊹˚.

i'd say in general its like a mix of asian themes with western; its like anime but with western elements in it

i'd also sometimes like to explore other cultures too, kinda like how jjba has varying characters bc that's cool;; but if i have characters with varying nationalities its because i want to, not bc a woke person held me at gunpoint

⊹˚. aesthetics ⊹˚.

i have a lot that i like, but here's my main favorites i guess that will be in my things

˚✧ cute + edgy; melanie martinez, lucy loone, yandere, ddlc;; basically anything where you juxtapose cutesy with scary horror -- its so fun and subversive

˚✧ femcel/female sigma/doomer girl/anti-egirl; LANA DEL REY LANA DEL REY bc i'm a sad girl

˚✧ retro things; 80s and 90s but mostly early 2000s stuff; early internet, old stuff, y2k, scene/emo, mcbling -- huge emphasis on mcbling, i love the girly hedonistic aspects of it -- ayesha erotica, panty and stocking, bad girls club;; that aesthetic i love it sm LETS DO OUR NAILS AND PARTY ^^^^^^

˚✧ internet horror stuffs -- indie horror, analog horror, internet mysteries, meta horror, local58, mandela catalogue, fnaf, creepypastas, liminal spaces

˚✧ then some internet guy stuff -- vaporwave, cyberpunk, blade runner, hotline miami, madness combat, carpenter brut, etc -- i'm tomboyish in this regard xd, i fangirl over guns and edgy sigma guys fighting

⊹˚. extra stuff about me (bc who tf r u >_>) ⊹˚.

writes a character bio

˚✧ name: luna

˚✧ some randy girl that likes to make stuff

˚✧ not rlly a weeb but i like asian culture a lot, japanese, chinese, korean, vietnamese, thai, laos, filipino (yes), etc

˚✧ sigma?? i think people should be rewarded based on talent and skill, rather than their identity. if i am successful, its because my work is good, not because i am a minority. i'm also learning to draw, write, make music, etc because i want to make content without having to rely on others for assets. why ask other people if i can do it myself? B)

˚✧ i like cute things and being girly, like dressing up and having stuffed animals and cute stationary everywhere :> if i have a chance to be extra and decorate something, i will take it in a heart beat

˚✧ i'm a stocking kin, i love sweets, cake specifically, and milk tea (im addicted to boba its horrible T-T)

˚✧ i like tea, i drink 2-3 cups a day :) oolong is my fav atm

˚✧ cat >>>>

˚✧ unhealthy attraction to fictional men… currently thirsting over tohru adachi 💀💀💀 LOL my friends are like "eww wtf is wrong with you???" i must be a raccoon because i really love garbage

☸ my links ☸

all my links are on caard, but here's an organized list of the main ones; my tumblr will be my main hub for stuff i guess; the degree of activity ranges ;-;

˚☸ art stuff

✧ newgrounds (i wanna be a newgrounds girl tbh)

✧ twitter

✧ insta

✧ tiktok

˚☸ writing stuff (fanfictions)

✧ quotev

✧ wattpad

✧ archive

˚☸ oc archive

✧ deviantart (bc im too lazy to code toyhouse atm)

also apologies if i dont respond to things fast enough, im shy

˚☸ dividers by cafekitsune

[synnefo-nefeli]

Ughhh so I’ve been debating posting this because: a) I don’t want to be *that* fan b) I don’t want to impose on how ppl interact/interpret fandom c) at the end of the day it’s just fiction so it doesn’t matter

But it’s eating at me and uhhhhhhgghhh I have to say something. Please don’t come for me, this is not me calling anyone out- you are all valid, this is me being an old lady yelling at cloud. Ignore me, ignore me if you don’t agree with me and seriously go on with your lives.

So to start out, I have friends in the video game industry in licensing and merchandising for a few AAA studios-specifically in the creation of the guidebooks/official art books/lore compendiums etc.

These books are created off of information from the game’s artists, writers and narrative producers.

And the general rule of thumb is: unless noted otherwise- character traits such as height, weight, etc. do not account for clothing, accessories,hairstyles, etc.

If a character has augmentations which may effect a stat and it’s vital to the character or story at large-it’s listed.

A good example of this is Peridot from SU. There are character sheets that list her height in relation to her environment with and without her leg extenders. We have two stats for her height.

This for the most part, is pretty standard across the board in the video game/animation industry because they want people(artists and designers in particular) to understand a character’s scale in relation to their environment. Help cosplayers understand how an outfit/character’s form works (not that they *need* to 100% accurately represent a character to cosplay as that character), and because they know their fellow nerds live and breath to know this information.

Soooo this is my long winded explanation to say that Apollo is most likely not 5ft tall and running around with two almost half-foot spikes on his hairline.

I feel if this was the case, AA is silly enough to state that fact. And yes, while this is the world in which Daryan can have a 3ft pompadour, the main attorneys’ designs are less gonzo compared to the clients and witnesses. So it’s unlikely based on what I’ve been told by my friends, that Apollo’s design, which is meant to have appeal while being distinct to AA’s style, would have his hairstyle effect his official stats. The horns are an element to Apollo’s overall design- the Art of Ace Attorney says they’re symbols of him as a “young sprout” in the legal world.

They’re visual elements on the same level as his red suit. You wouldn’t assume Apollo’s listed weight includes him wearing clothes (maybe if he was wearing armor, but then his weight with and without armor would prolly be listed)- so when a stat is listed, that character most likely is that stat regardless of how they styled their hair that day.

And if we follow the logic of what people are sharing about Apollo’s height then we have to ask ourselves things like- “is Trucy really her official stated height or is that including the top hat? Maybe she’s 5 inches shorter” “Is Klavier really 6ft? He is wearing motorcycle boots so that could be giving him some height so maybe he’s actually 5ft 8in”.

And if you believe that, fine. You do you. It doesn’t matter, I stg, I may delete this once I’m done writing this. But I just wanted to share what I know from “the inside”.

And considering that the Japanese studios go into more depth on character details due to fandom, cosplay, virtual idols,doujin/fanworks being a huge industries in parts of Asia- if Apollo was actually 5ft with two 5in horns in his head- that is a detail that would have been noted allllll the way back in the AA4 guide, and there would have been even more meta jokes -official and unofficial- about him being a smol fierce loud lawyer man.

Sooo yes, he’s still a small birb when compared to Phoenix, Miles, Klavier, and Simon, but he’s more than likely not *that* short.

And honestly, if you love 5ft Apollo, I love and support you and wish you nothing but the best in your pursuits of fandom happiness.

I think the idea of 5ft Apollo, who has to climb Klavier like a tree, is cute. But also I’ve had in my brain for the last 13 years that Apollo is 165cm/5ft 5in-ish (okay he’s like 5ft 4.961 inches, I’m rounding up- I’m not his doctor) so it’s what I’m defaulting to when I write.

I guess if anyone wants to ask the artists/creators the next time there is a con or an interview, if Apollo’s spikes are included in his height-please do. I would love to know XD. And if I’m wrong please let me know, but rn I’m going off of the Art of Ace Attorney and the Dual Destinies art book.

But yeah, just needed to write my feelings out- I’m sorry I stg I never do this; please carry on with your lives and leave me to scream at my cloud.

[chlogummy]

I’M AT MY LIMIIIITTTTTT

Omg... ppl picturing Miles and Phoenix as cute lovey dovey adorable, super kind husbandos but then when it’s another ship  “Miles is really toxic with Gumshoe, he cuts his salary, look at that power imbalance!” “Phoenix is so mean to Apollo he jokes about him and doesn’t trust him! And that power imbalance again!” GFBJFGNJTG ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT MILES AND PHOENIX ARE ASSHOLES WHEN NOT SHIPPED TOGETHER? Like... Hhh suddenly Phoenix and Miles totally change their personality with others? What? Does that make narumitsu toxic/problematic too then? I’m so done with this kind of negative post I keep seeing since yesterday. I’ll add that if we follow that logic it’s super easy to make any ship problematic: narumitsu example: “they were childhood friends, but then with Miles’ father murder Miles got persecuted by Manfred and Miles was emotionally weak, Phoenix took advantage of it! to get in relationship with his childhood crush.” Absurd? YEAH I AGREE. CAN YOU. JUST LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT WITHOUT BEING SO ANNOYING AND DEPRESSING? And they are fictional, THEY AREN’T REAL!! Even if it was “problematic” (god I don’t even know what it means anymore), I believe that’s how stories can get more interesting. Also stop kinning characters so much? Omg I’m so uncomfortable when people are okay with angst in their ships and content but aren’t in other ships/ other content made by someone they judge “problematic” because it bullies/hurts their “baby”. Characters do not belong to you and won’t be morally down because of a fanfiction or a drawing.

If you don’t like the content just let it go and move on, block the tags idk, but don’t be an ass and pollute the ship tags/ hate publicly a character/ship just because you know that you’re on the safe side of the fandom because you ship the most popular things (aka narumitsu klapollo and franmaya I believe) and you know that you’ll be followed even if you’re being so negative and mean and hurting for people liking those thing you hate so much. Believe me, seeing hate on something you love is really upsetting. 

Like, I know a lot of people that don’t understand franmaya/dislike the ship: are you aware of it? NO. Why? Because we are civilized people and keep our opinion for us and don’t spread it everyday, because it’s useless to just say publicly that you dislike the content and also because sadly we may get bullied too. For a fucking ship preference and because we’re not part of the majority of the fandom.

You know, for someone who love ace attorney, enjoy every characters of the game and just love to talk about anything about ace attorney because it fills me with joy to share my passion, it’s really upsetting to see all those ship wars/ bulling. I wish I could always be happy sharing my content, even to a smaller part of the fandom because I’m aware that I like less common pairing, but I feel like it’s impossible thanks to popular shippers, discord servers and artists who are constantly spreading their social justice warrior propaganda, making anyone think this or that ship is bad, that you should not create content or it because it’s gross etc.. I still post and create what I want, because I know I’m not wrong, but I always have that fear to post something because my words can be twisted and some in the fandom are so toxic. I’ve witnessed hypocrisy, manipulation of words, mass targeting bullying... And you guys are hating on characters that hurt the others? Ah.  As I say, characters aren’t real, but you are actually bullying the humans behind fanarts for just playing with fiction, and that is gross.

And that’s censoring, not prevention against any danger. 

I hope I’ll reach some open-minded fans with this, thank you for anyone reading this, please try to understand and be cool. Eventually share in your AA circles, thank you! 

[iobottle]

atissi

replied to your post

“it kinda makes me sad when artists giving out tutorials on character...”

oh could you talk more about this? :o

ABSOLUTELY thank u for enabling me to go off about designs i love this shit this may get a bit long so its going under a readmore (sorry if ur on mobile i hope it works)

gonna start this off with im no expert Nor have i taken any sort of official art class this is me just analyzing characters from what i found that makes them memorable to ppl (most of these examples are going to be from games sorry i got them on my mind)

ok so basically making a memorable revolves around personality and appearance now theres different ways to go about showing these things and i think from consuming media you like will help narrow down how you wanna go about it, basically thinking about your character inside and out!

SO shapes and hyperstylization is a good way to get a fun appearance across in a cartoon esp media and is often what a lot of artists stress on an example of using shapes and a good silhouette to make a memorable character is sonic!(specifically comic sonic)

(had to google idw sonic for a non...u know image)

but not only do they use lots of triangles for this hedgehog they also made him blue! you’d be more likely to remember a blue headgehog over a realistically colored one!(also almost all of the sonic characters have a combination of fun shape + unusual color to help you remember them! the designs werent afraid to use color to make a bold statement)(he’s also segas mascot so of course they put a lot of work in his design)

now sonics appearance is not the only reason why people like him or remember him so much he’s also got personality! he’s cocky, fast, always getting into trouble, “you’re too slow!”, accompanied by shitty butt rock and a cool guy persona ie he’s got personality! and they weren’t afraid to give him some weird interests(see the butt rock) and he’s not perfect( see arrogance) if youve ever played a sonic game you have almost always remembered the crush 40 theme that went with it

all in all to go with his unusual appearance he’s got some unusual traits! it helps make him believable! admittedly he’s not the most embarrassing of the sonic crew (see knuckles or shadow) but he’s definitely rounded and not boring from an objective standpoint(you can not like sonic or his games i dont care)

(another example of something that requires good shapes is pokemon altho they arent really like very depthy since there are 600+ and some only have like a pokedex entry worth of info but still they have good and memorable designs)

NOW something that doesnt have the most “good shapes” design off the top of my head is link

now in the most recent zelda game his most memoriable physical attribute is that he’s on the androgynous side w his longer hair and smaller build but in his older designs he looked something like this

(art for a loz:link to the past)

not really that much of a striking silhouette, but what do we look at and kinda leaves an impression on us? his hair and hat! its very silly to see someone in such a big green hat with that big of bangs/mullet, the hat at least became so ridiculous of a look that in botw nintendo didnt include his hat in links main outfit bc it was too hard to make look good, its silly! thats good! its fine to have a normal human looking characters because sometimes stories are about humans, but if you want us to remember them include something that will strike us as strange for them

also probably a good thing to note is the noises link makes when he swings his sword, jumps, pushes something, ie any action they have always been something that has stuck with me

(another example similar to this is in mgs solid snake in mgs is this cool super spy but is rocking a full on mullet which is considered a joke hairstyle. this leaves an impression on us. a spy with a mullet! how ridiculous! another example is raiden who was specifically made bc a woman wrote that she didnt want to play as an “old man” so the protagonist of the super spy game is a longer haired pretty boy (with a huge ass))

now ive explained a little on a character with good shapes and personality and a character with a more “boring” shape design that makes up for it with almost quirky design choices but i feel like theres another series thats what originally got me thinking about how even a memorable silhouette doesnt need hyperstylization

ace attorney! (which is out on switch now if u havent played it i would def recommend it)

if you dont know the protagonist is the guy in the blue suit(phoenix), which well he looks like just a guy...with ridiculously spikey hair enough so that in his silhouette you can recognize him but also his posture (the pointing) makes for a sticking recognizable image bc if you’ve played the games you can practically hear objection just from looking at phoenix’s silhouette

which is another thing id like to talk about! not only are a good shape a way to have a good silhouette but posture is also important! how the character holds themselves can say alot about them just from a glance! such as meekness, arrogance, confidence, sadness, anger, happiness its a very important too especially when you arent relying on stylization

now onto the characters of ace attorney ive gone over phoenix's design a bit but theres a few others id like to look at with some Weird style choices that make us remember them(just going to glance over them since this post is so long)

now, this woman, franziska von karma, she dresses kind of strange for a prosecutor but her outfit is not too out there and her silhouette is not striking

but you see that whip? remember how i said she was a prosecutor? yeah she will strike people in court for getting off topic and will even hit phoenix when he starts breaking down her witnesses testimonies, which what literally strikes up about her

another prosecutor, godot, now his hair could provide a somewhat memorable shape but what we first notice is the strange mask on his face which is weird, but not the Same weird as franziska bringing a whip to court thus having both of these prosecutors being Weirdly memorable for different things (another note is his liking of coffee that he does not give up even in court ha ha)

now onto the other protag for the aa games

apollo! who also has weirdly spikey hair, but even if you put a silhouette of him next to phoenix you could tell there some was a difference between the two! its showing a pattern with the protags while also keeping them distinct enough to be able to tell who is who! although you cant say the pointy haired guy from ace attorney and not get just One answer unlike saying the prosecutor who has a whip but still they are distinct to people who have little experience with the series

sorry i dont have any sort of conclusion on this this was just sort of me rambling on about character design, but my main point is if you are discouraged bc all your characters dont have wildly different silhouettes thats ok! there are other ways to establish a good memorable character! dont be afraid to make them a little weird! give your character pink hair in a medieval setting, have them be ridiculously in love with tigers they have a striped shirt and pants, let them love childrens tv shows and have them never miss an episode, give them wacky hair or an extreme love of gum, show us some personality!! but dont forget about how they act and their values and dont forget that posture can go a long way for establishing a first impression

there are also many other methods to making a good character! like colors and dress!

silly is the way to go! have fun with it!!

there isnt just one way to make a good character!! theres plenty of more series that have good character design that i didnt mention pay attention to why you like the characters you like! also watch this video bc its really good

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#5

everyone at work: what are you doing for easter?

me: ah, thanks for asking, but im neither christian nor 8 years old so the answer is absolutely nothing at all

458 notes • Posted 2021-04-04 14:38:20 GMT

#4

reasons why garak is a good example of grey morality where others fail: he is sympathetic, but is never really absolved.

his claustrophobia, his moral dilemmas, and his addiction are treated with gravity and respect.

you know whats also treated with great gravity? his crimes and transgressions. the show never demands that you or anyone on it forgive him (though i'll concede some of his punishment was light but they only had so many episodes and he was a popular character made integral to the plot).

like he's played very likable, you know that many of the things he did were because of his abusive father, you want to see him get better and you know he CAN get better, but that it will never change the things he has done, which hangs over your head every time you watch him quip or hit on bashir.

538 notes • Posted 2021-04-28 15:01:59 GMT

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smth else i like about garashir is that garak allows julian to be Angry. he allows him to accept his ugly emotions and the parts of him others find annoying. but he still Enjoys him, and loves and respects his optimistism and kindness no matter what he actually SAYS. like even on a platonic level i always felt like garak is maybe one of the only characters who holistically enjoys julian for all that he is.

623 notes • Posted 2021-04-25 20:29:15 GMT

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edgeworth has dreams where the steel samurai has swooped in to rescue him and then takes off the mask and it's phoenix, this not an arguable point it just has happened

801 notes • Posted 2021-01-02 07:35:13 GMT

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the three dating sim dialogue options:

1) you’d have to be a moron to say this

2) uncomfortable flirtation

3) worlds biggest asshole

1238 notes • Posted 2021-10-31 06:01:58 GMT

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yaho >:3c for the ace attorney ask meme: the questions divisible by 5 if u wanna lol

i lvoe u

5. Favourite ship?

CLAYPOLLO LIVES IN M B LOOD I LOVE CLAYPOLLO I L OVE-

10. Favourite quote?

call me corny but i actually really like godot’s quotes.. i remember few of my faves like “Men that are trapped by the chains of “Maybe” can never reach their dreams!”, “Once you eliminate the impossible…whatever remains must be the truth.…No matter how improbable it may seem.“ and the iconic "The only time a lawyer can cry is when it’s all over.” I also really like Dhurke’s “A dragon never yields”.. idk it feels?? powerful??? or Klavier’s infamous the gay™ quote “But this is the first time I’ve felt this way with a man.” ;^)

15. Least favourite ship?

uhhhh i obvious dislike minor/adult, way too big age gap and incest ships.. don’t really have any “least fav ship” even if i have many ships i dont fancy or feel pretty “meh” about

20. Least favourite memory of Ace Attorney?

i don’t remember the exact moment but i was playing case 2-3 and at one point i just thought “god i hate this case when will it e n d”

oH YEA I REMEMBER i was at the end of 6-3 and the end of the case where ppl started rebelling n so on was so intense and i was so ready to play more and THEN WE GET A FUCKING ABSOLUTE FILLER CASE THAT HAS TO BE THERE BECAUSE “athena and blackquill must be in a game somehow” LIKE COME ON IT KILLED MY MOOD SO QUICKLY the only good things were nahyuta and blackquill’s interactions and ueno.

25. Klavier Gavin or Kristoph Gavin?

klavier obviously, although id like to find more info about both of them… like.. make klavier main prosecutor again p l e a s e i want more depth for him

30. Ema Skye as she is in Rise from the Ashes or Ema Skye as she is in Apollo Justice?

idk i love both emas and theyre both charming in their own ways?? but i guess im going for AJ/SOJ ema since she def feels more like her own character than in 1-5 (where she was supposed to remind phoenix of maya)

35. Opinion on the soundtrack of the Ace Attorney-franchise?

ive always deeply loved aa’s soundtrack.. in some games some songs shined more than others.. for example imo first game had the best trial ost while JFA shined with reminiscences. even if some songs werent that great, aa def has much more more memorable and good soundtracks and they fit characters and atmosphere so well aaaaaaaaaaaa when will wandering heart stop making me feel emo every damn time i hear it also i really love orchestra and jazz versions.. theyre so great

40. Would you like an Ace Attorney anime?

we got one but wE DONT TALK ABOUT IT

(ok but the filler ep about phoenix larry n edgeworth was pretty nice tho)

45. One thing you think the Ace Attorney games can improve on?

this goes for 5th and 6th games.. please stop bringing useless cameos just to appeal the “trilogy only” fans (like wtf was purpose of edgeworth being in 6-5?? or honestly maya in aa6 was just an attempt to bring old fans back) also ple ase just focus on answering questions of AA:AJ and properly finish apollo’s story before moving to athena’s.

50. Do you think Dual Destinies deserved its M-rating?

no like… ya all damn babies if u think the cutscenes of athena were bad??? aa’s deaths are.. pretty mellow if u actually think about it

THANKS ALINA i lv oe u did i say that already idc ILL SAY IT AS MANY TIMES AS I CAN-