Sometimes I forget that Kash, a thirty-something year old man, shot a seventeen year old boy (Mickey) purely because he was jealous that said teenage boy was sleeping with the OTHER teen boy he'd been grooming (Ian- who was FIFTEEN) and now said boy he was grooming didn't want to have sex with him anymore.
yeah, noel fisher being 26/27 in season 1 of shameless is pretty wild, but you know what’s even more wild? the fact that kash karib’s actor, pej vahdat, is ONE YEAR OLDER THAN NOEL FISHER. LIKE- EXCUSE ME??
This is random but my weird hot take that's not really a hot take is that when Ian was at the Milkovich residence in 1x08, I don't think Ian and Mickey fucked. I think Ian gave him a blow job. It doesn't really matter but ya know.
::: rubs eyes :::
Oh my God, an ASK! Like, a meta-ask. Bless you. I haven't seen one of you in a minute!
And hey, yeah, me either. I mean, let me explain myself: I absolutely think the show's position is that they had sex. If you asked if it was canon they'd say "of course. Did you not hear the sound effects? They had sex." By which they would mean they fucked.
This does not reeeeeeally wash with me and it used to bother me, honestly. And caveat before I really get into it -- I'm aware that this is a straight lift from the UK show and that, in the UK show, the dad walks in and thinks they're undressed because they've been doing coke. I have NO EARTHLY IDEA what Terry Milkovich thinks is the reason for his son being in bed, naked, with Ian Gallagher. None. It doesn't seem to bother him, though. And for the record, I think that's weird.
Maybe he thinks it's a dream.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I think there's a tendency of people who do not experience penetration as a part of the sex act to not really understand that it's a whole THING. I read something recently where a person was talking about how they hadn't gotten it, either, until they had switched from being a person exclusively taking to someone who was giving and finding out "hey, this is way less draining that what I was doing before." I don't think Shameless really seeks to reflect that reality in how they write Gallavich. I don't think there was a ton of effort to make their sex life terribly realistic over the course of the entire show. I experience honest relief when Mickey mentioned lube for the very first time in SEASON 7. And in writing this scene, I can totally see them being like "and then they have penetrative anal sex in their first mutual encounter as teenagers while the house has a bunch of people right outside," without any sense of... proportion.
I'm more team frottage, or some variation there of, personally (sound effects, the fact that Mickey's dad and various family members are RIGHT THERE) when I try to fold it into my concept of Ian and Mickey. But. If we are wrong... about this fictional off-camera event... I would like to say that there's definitely some stuff to be said about the fact that Ian was 15 and in a relationship with an adult that could be read into his assumptions of what sex is when he was really still a kid. Not to bring down the room. But I think both of them have some trauma around around their sexuality, how they were introduced to sex and what was "expected" of them that can definitely play into how that first encounter unfolded.
Oof. I have bummed myself out. But honestly, thank you for this. It was really awesome to see it.
"Shove over f****ts. Watch and Learn." Mickey to Ian and Mandy 1.0 after Ian Topped him. Ian can not control how happy and into Mickey he is. The way Ian looks at him makes me melt. 🤤🤤🤤🫠🫠🫠🫠