#shannon cotc

[cotchottakes]

Sweet. Don’t mind me asking got any headcanons for the cast after “See You Tomorrow At The Creek”?

Particularly new dynamics emerging. Like for example:

Handlebarb starts spending more time with the Champions until eventually becoming a member in high school

The Merkid joins the sewer kids.

With Bernard gone Craig begins to take a much bigger role in the house that only gains more responsibility as he gets older.

In fact, I do, and I have some for when they are grown up too.

1. Boris and Jp rekindle their friendship from The Invitation.

2. Craig starts playing with Bernard's Bring out your Beast cards more

3. During college, Bernard begins earning money by playing in Bring out your Beast tournaments until he starts an actual career. He still does the tournaments as a side gig, but it makes good money and can buy him thinks. (Who can blame him)

4. The Stump kids become the new Elders (except they're not messy)

5. Tony and Kelsey form a mutual respect for one another after sometime and starts an actual friendship not long after

6. Jason gets more involved in gardening as a hobby and teaches the younger kids plant facts (respectfully of course)

7. Shannon comes back to the creek to visit with the scouts (those boys are the HAPPIEST to have her back). She adopts half the creek.

8. (A follow up on 7) Jason is at first a little jealous since he's used to it being just him, Tony and Boris now it's half the creek. Thankfully he is assured he is just as special to Shannon as half the creek.

9. Roger becomes a little camper and then becomes a scout after being adopted by Shannon (it's a very good thing that boy needs a parential figure)

[needlefail]

FIRST ROUND LETS GOOOOO!!! Thanks Pink :333

idk if I should tag ppl who request vut i wont by default so i dont bother ppl

ANYWAYSSS

First up Borisss :33

I LOVE HIM HES SUCH A CUTE SWEETHEART I love when we get to see sweeter sides to him like his Small uncle doll aka “Big Uncle” or when he got emotional in Sleepover At JP’s after hearing JP’s story STUFF LIKE THAT

HES CUTE OKAY

I wouldn’t say hes wasted potential but I do wish we got to see him more </3

Dont have many thoughts on him though Im always open to hear some because I really like him hes my fav forest scout

Also “why do they look like that” is affectionate

AND NEXT SHANNON

And hoping by Shannon you meant the camp counselor from Camper on the Run if not please lmk </3

Anyways, she’s cool I like her design and shes super chill

Pretty cool one off character though I do wonder what her and Roxie are up to nowadays

Someone send in some cotc characters and Ill give my opinions

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PART 2

PART 1

- Q -

Quailfeather (CotC)

Quailfeather (TBC)

Quailheart

Quailkit (WC)

Quick Water

Quickpaw

Quiet Rain

Quietkit

Quince

- R -

Rabbitear

Rabbitfur

Rabbitleap (SkC)

Rabbitleap (TC)

Rabbitstar

Rabbittail

Rage (Boar)

Raggedstar

Rain (AVoS)

Rain (DotC)

Rain That Passes Quickly

Rain That Rattles On Stones

Raincloud

Raindrop

Rainfall

Rainflower

Rainfur (SkC)

Rainfur (TC)

Rainleap

Rainsplash

Rainstorm

Rainswept Flower

Rainwhisker

Rapidkit

Rascal

Ratscar

Raven (AVoS)

Ravenpaw

Ravenstar

Ravenwing

Red (SD)

Red Claw

Redclaw

Redscar

Redstar

Redtail

Redthistle

Redwillow

Reed Tail

Reedclaw

Reedfeather

Reedshine (CotC)

Reedshine (MV)

Reedstar

Reedtail

Reedwhisker

Reena (KP)

Reena (Ro)

Ridgekit

Riga

Rileypool

Ripple Shine

Rippleclaw

Ripplestar

Rippletail (RC)

Rising Moon

Riverstar

Roach

Robinkit

Robinstar

Robinwing (RC)

Robinwing (SkC)

Robinwing (TC)

Robinwing (WC)

Rock

Rock Beneath Still Water

Rockfall

Rockshade

Rocky

Rook

Rooktail

Root

Rootspring

Rose (FQ)

Rose (TS)

Rosebush

Rosepetal

Rosetail

Rowanberry

Rowanclaw(star)

Rowanfur

Rowankit (ASC)

Rowanstar (CotC)

Rubblekit

Rubblepaw

Ruby

Rufus

Rumble

Running Fox

Running Horse

Runningbrook

Runningnose

Runningstorm

Runningwind

Rushpaw (BotC)

Rushtail (RC)

Rushtail (WC)

Rushtooth

Russetfur

Rust

Ryestalk

Ryewhisker

- S -

Sage (Lo)

Sagenose

Sagewhisker

Samwise (Dog)

Sandgorse

Sandstorm

Sandynose

Sasha

Scarlet

Scooby

Scorchfur

Scorchwind

Scourge

Scout

Scowl

Scrap

Scraps

Scree (Ro)

Scree Beneath Winter Sky

Screech Of Angry Owl

Scruff

Sedgecreek

Sedgestar

Sedgewhisker

Seedpaw

Seedpelt (FQ)

Seedpelt (MV)

Seedpelt (PC)

Seville

Shade Pelt

Shaded Moss

Shadepelt (AVoS)

Shadepelt (TPB)

Shadestar (Tiger)

Shadowsight

Shadowstar

Shannon

Shanty

Sharp Hail

Sharpclaw (SkC)

Sharptooth (Cougar)

Shattered Ice

Sheeptail

Sheer Path Beside Waterfall

Shell Claw

Shellfur

Shellheart

Shimmerpelt (BrS)

Shimmerpelt (CP)

Shine

Shiningheart

Shivering Rose

Shnuky

Shorty

Shredtail

Shrewclaw

Shrewfoot

Shrewpaw (TC)

Shrewtooth

Shy Fawn

Shyfrost

Shyheart

Silt

Silver

Silver Frost

Silver Stripe

Silverflame

Silverhawk

Silvermask

Silverpaw (BotC)

Silverpaw (TPB)

Silverstream

Skipper

Skyheart

Skystar

Skywatcher

Slant

Slash

Slate (DotC)

Slate (IH)

Slatefur

Slatepelt

Sleek Fur

Sleekwhisker

Slightfoot

Sloefur (RC)

Sloefur (ShC)

Smallear

Smallstar

Smoke

Smokefoot

Smokehaze

Smokepaw (SotC)

Smokepaw (TNP)

Smoketalon

Smoky

Smudge

Snail (Ro)

Snail (Sister)

Snail Shell

Snailpaw

Snake (DotC)

Snaketail (FQ)

Snaketail (PoT)

Snaketooth (RC)

Snaketooth (ShC)

Snapper

Snaptooth

Sneezecloud

Sniff

Snipe

Snipkit

Snookthorn

Snow (Sister)

Snow Falling On Stones

Snow Hare

Snow Tail

Snowbird

Snowbush

Snowdrop

Snowflake (KP)

Snowflake (Ro)

Snowfur

Snowkit (TPB)

Snowstar

Snowtuft

Snowy

Socks

Softpelt

Softwing

Sol

Songbird

Songleap

Soot

Sootfur

Sorrelshine

Sorrelstripe

Sorreltail

Sparkpelt

Sparrow (CotP)

Sparrow (Ro)

Sparrow (Sister)

Sparrowfeather (DF)

Sparrowfeather (StC)

Sparrowpelt (SkC)

Sparrowstar

Sparrowtail

Speckle

Specklepaw

Speckletail

Spider (Lo)

Spider (Sister)

Spider Paw

Spiderfoot

Spiderleg

Spiderpelt

Spiderstar

Spike (Dog)

Spikefur

Spiketail

Spireclaw

Spiresight

Splash (KP)

Splash When Fish Leaps

Splashfoot

Splashheart

Splashkit (CP)

Splashnose

Splashpaw (TNP)

Splashtail

Splinter

Spotfur

Spotted Fur

Spottedleaf

Spottedpaw (ShC)

Spottedpelt

Spring Claw

Squirrel (CotP)

Squirrel (Sister)

Squirrelfur

Squirrelstar

Squirrelwhisker

Stagleap (TC)

Stagleap (WC)

Stalk Purr

Star Flower

Star That Shines On Water

Starlingfeather

Starlingwing

Stemleaf

Stempaw (ASC)

Stick

Stoat

Stoatfur (ShC)

Stoatfur (SkC)

Stone (DotC)

Stone (HJ)

Stone (Sister)

Stone Song (DotC)

Stone Song (PoT)

Stoneclaw

Stonefur

Stonepelt

Stonestar

Stonestream

Stonetooth

Stonewing

Storkkit

Storm (Ro)

Storm Clouds At Dusk

Storm Pelt

Stormcloud

Stormfur

Stormheart

Stormtail

Streak

Stream

Streamkit

Stretch Blink

Strike Slash

Strikestone

Stripekit

Stripes

Stripestar

Strong Pounce

Stumpytail

Sun Shadow

Sunbeam

Sunfish

Sunflower

Sunnypelt

Sunnytail

Sunpelt (Lion)

Sunpelt (SkC)

Sunrise (Sister)

Sunshine

Sunspots

Sunstar

Sunstrike

Susan

Suzy

Swallow

Swallowflight

Swallowtail (RC)

Swallowtail (WC)

Swampkit

Swankit

Sweetbriar

Sweetpaw

Sweetums

Swift (DotC)

Swift Minnow

Swiftbreeze

Swiftflight

Swiftfoot

Swiftpaw (TPB)

Swiftstar (Leopard)

Swiftwing

Swoop Of Chestnut Hawk

- T -

Tadpole

Tallpoppy

Tallstar

Talon Of Swooping Eagle

Talonpaw

Talonstar

Tangle

Tangleburr

Tanglepaw (RC)

Tanglewhisker

Tansy

Tansypaw (SkC)

Tawnyfur

Tawnypelt

Tawnyspots

Taylor

Teller Of The Pointed Stones (OotS)

Teller Of The Pointed Stones (TNP)

Tempest

Tess

Thistle (Ro)

Thistle (TC)

Thistleclaw

Thistleheart

Thistlepaw (CotC)

Thistlepaw (TNP)

Thistletail

Thorn (SkC)

Thorn That Grows In Cleft

Thornclaw

Thorntooth (Tiger)

Thrushpelt (TC)

Thrushpelt (WC)

Thrushtalon

Thrushwing

Thunderstar

Tiger Tail

Tigerstar (AVoS)

Tigerstar (TPB)

Timberfur

Tiny Branch

Tinycloud

Toad (Ro)

Toadfoot

Toadskip

Toadstep

Tom (ES)

Tom-Tom

Tommy

Tornear

Tree

Trout Fur

Troutclaw

Troutkit

Troutstar

Troutstream

Tulipkit

Tumble Leap

Tumblekit

Tuna

Turtle Tail

Turtlecrawl

Turtlekit (ShC)

Twig

Twigbranch

Twigtail

Twist

Twisted Branch

Tyr

- V -

Velvet (AVoS)

Velvet (SD)

Victor

Vinestar

Vinetail

Violet

Violet Dawn

Violetshine

Vixenleap

Voleclaw

Volestar

Voletooth

Volewhisper

- W -

Wafflepaw

Wanderkit

Wasp

Wasptail

Waspwhisker

Wavepaw

Weaselfur

Weaselkit

Weaselwhisker

Webfoot

Webkit

Webster

Wee Hen

Weedwhisker

Weevil

Wetfoot

Whiskers

Whisper Claw

Whispering Breeze

Whisperkit

Whistle

Whistlepaw

White Tail

Whiteberry

Whitebreeze

Whiteclaw

Whitefang

Whitestar

Whitestorm

Whitetail (StC)

Whitetail (WC)

Whitethroat

Whitewater

Whitewing

Whorlpelt

Wildfur

Wildkit

Willie

Willow Stream

Willow Tail

Willowbreeze

Willowclaw

Willowkit (CP)

Willownose

Willowpelt

Willowshine

Willowstar

Windflight

Windstar

Wing Shadow Over Water

Wish Stalk

Wishkit

Wolfheart

Wolfstep

Woodkit (RC)

Woodlouse

Woodsong

Woody

Woollytail

Wrenflight (SkC)

Wrenflight (WC)

- Y -

Yarrowleaf

Yellowfang

Yellowstar

Yew

Yew Tail

- Z -

Zack

Zeke

Zelda

Ziggy

[cotchottakes]

Do you have any headcanons for the Creek Kids prior to Craig Of The Creek?

Like what where they like in between CBTC and Craig Of The Creek.

Hell yeah (thank you for asking)

1. (My favorite one) Shannon was a sister figure to the scouts (especially Jason). Those boys were like her brothers as she grew up an only child. I imagine she left after CBTC and before COTC.

2. Shannon was the reason the scouts began going to the creek

3. Jason was tempted to become a pirate in order to gain respect, but Shannon made all the scouts promise not to become a pirate terrorizing kids.

4. Shannon was the one to leave Jason in charge of the group when she left. Jason still debates whether or not she made a mistake.

5. Sometimes Michelle would take Omar out to eat, and if they had a "kids under 6 eat for free or cheaper" rule, they'd abuse the hell out of it together.

6. Edie is the only one still close to Serena after the events of the movie.

[needlefail]

SORRRYYY FOR THE LONG WAIT I WAS BUSY AS OF LATE BUT ARGHHHHHH I JUST FINISHED READING THIS WND ITS SO SO GOODDDDDDD

SEEING SHANNON AND THEM ALL GET ALONG AND BECOME A LITTLE FANILY TROOP WAS SO ☹️☹️☹️ Not just her moments with the scouts but also the moments between the scouts too ORUGHHH IT WAS ALL SO SWEET AND CUTEEEEEE

Also CAT TONY CANONNNN 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

This scene also made me giggle a bit

AND THIS LINE WENT SO SO HARDDDDDD

IT WAS SO SWEET SEEING SHANNON GIVE THE SCOUTS PARTS OF HER WHEN SHE LEFT ☹️☹️☹️ ESPECIALLY BORIS BECOMING THE ARMOUR FOR THE OTHERS

it was just all so so good this whole fic was so so AMAZINGGGG

Day 6: Past/Future

Rating: Gen

Warnings: None (either for attempted kidnapping and holding someone for ransom but shh)

Relationships: Shannon & Boris & Jason & Tony, Boris & Jason & Tony, Shannon & Boris, Jason & Shannon, Shannon & Tony, Boris & Jason, Boris & Tony

Characters: Shannon, Boris, Tony, Jason, Serena, original female character, tea timers cameo

Disclaimer: Despite being based on a Hazbin Hotel song. I support neither Vivziepop or Hazbin Hotel.

I just finished this fic I feel like fainting, I'm gonna make a follow up but from Boris' pov so watch out for that.

Also hi @needlefail you said I could tag out for this since we both love boris and shannon

[pinkarsonist0]

I'm watching the Craig of The Creek movie rn, and oh my God, MY SCOUT BABIES IT'S THEM.

Spoilers for Craig Before The Creek below:

WHOSE THAT GURL WITH THEM IS SHE LIKE LIKE AN OLDER SISTER/MENTOR TO THEM. OKAY, SO SHE'S CLEARLY A FELLOW SCOUT AND WOULD BE LIKE A MENTOR TOWARDS THEM.

Based on how Boris held her hand and the way Jason smiled at her comment towards getting the friend group name correct, that could be to imply they were rather close to her. Especially Boris. I doubt they're related by blood or law. However, I do think they had a big sister bond with her when they became scouts. According to Google, you can be a scout as young as kindergarten to 5th grade, and the oldest you can be a scout is 18.

My headcanon is that she is the reason why the scouts started going to the creek, and she would show them around it and guide them, I get a very strong older sister vibe from her. Much like Mari from Omori, let's hope she didn't play the piano...

I don't know how many years the movie takes place before the movie (at least not yet). However, I stirred up some guesses. Jason seems to be 10-11 in the show like Craig, so based on how young the scouts look, my guess will have to be that they are 6-7 years old (possibly 8 years old for Boris). So, 3-4 years before the show.

Imo, Jason seems to be happier in that scene, and in my opinion, Jason in the show isn't a very happy child if we exclude certain scenes. So, assuming the theory that Jason's mother is dead is true, we can assume the movie takes place before the tragedy.

In conclusion, this is what I stirred up for Jason (after the movie and before the show): I still have my headcanon that Jason's mother cheated on Jason's father, rooting their divorce. Jason's clearly upset by this as he begins seeing his mother a less, and his father is growing distant. However, he still had the girl we see in the movie for guidance and comfort. I do think that Jason was still pretty lonely in his childhood, so when his parents weren't around, he had her to act as an older sister for him.

But then, tragedy strikes, and Jason's mother is dead. Life begins to suck more for Jason, he now lives with just his dad and now he's straight up ignoring him and only remembers he exists in order to brag about Jason's achievements as a Forest Scout and to top it off he drags in Jason's step mother. And she clearly doesn't like him as much.

But at least he still has-

Oh, she's leaving too.

Jason's sister figure ages out of being a scout and leaves, leaving him to handle his new home situation.

I still think that Boris and the girl were the closest to each other and meant the most to each other. I think she loved them like little brothers and she loved showing around the new Forest Scouts and showing them the ropes. But Jason, Boris, and Tony stuck out to her THE MOST. She acted as an older sister to the younger scouts and maybe even stood up for them when the fellow older scouts were teasing them. She loved the scouts like little brothers, but time caught up with her, and she could no longer be a scout.

I love overanalyzing so much, you have no idea. I missed my scouts so much but now that they're back I can do SO MUCH WITH THEM NOW AHH

Also, do not think I didn't see the girl and (present) Tony having similar hats. Imma just go crazy with that and make the headcanon that she gave Tony that hat when she left. (I know her hat is a little different, but let me have fun).

And another thing, maybe she's the camp counselor we see in Camper On The Run. They have a lot of physical similarities, I need to see the episode again after watching the movie.

Edit:Just got done watching the movie, and the credits confirm that girl is the woman we see looking for Roxy in Camper On The Run and that she was indeed a fellow scout. Shannon is credited as Shannon the Scout rather than just Shannon. So, this could be a lead for my theory/headcanon being true. Someone on the COTC subreddit said that in the movie, Kelsey says she is in the second grade, and she is 9 in the show, so that would mean that the movie takes place 2 years before the show.

Now, let's get back to Shannon with this new information. The youngest to become a camp counselor is 16 and when I googled the age you can no longer be a scout I got multiple answers, but the most common one is 18. So we are safe to assume that Shannon left at 17-18 aka the estimate for when a Junior Forest Scout can no longer be a scout. I assume Shannon is 15-16 at the time of the movie and left at 17-18. So we can assume Shannon is probably 18-20 at the time of Camper On The Run.

Since she went to the creek, I wonder if she got to see Boris, Tony, and Jason again briefly. I NEED SOMEONE TO WRITE A FIC WITH ALL THEM PLEASE.

[pinkarsonist0]

Pov: You're Shannon

[pinkarsonist0]

Day 4: Family

Jessica doesn't care she only plans on seeing them once a year after teaching them how to get away with every crime imaginable.

Also headcanon time: Shannon was adopted by two Irish Americans. I hc that her mom was just "Honey, should we adopt more kids so Shannon can have siblings? I don't want her to be lonely."

Her dad took one look at Jason, Tony and Boris was like "nah, she already has some."

[pinkarsonist0]

When the whole troop got autism

[pinkarsonist0]

New cotc oc because I've forgotten about my first one:

This is Lena, a former pirate alongside Serena (who she had a FAT crush on) who was kicked off the crew. I first made her when writing my shannon-centric fic as the Pirate Girl (spoiler) who tried kidnapping Tony.

Lena lost her arm due to complications when she was born. After that, their parents (mainly her mother) would constantly baby her and insist on doing everything for her. A scrapped knee was the equivalent to a broken bone, next thing you know she isn't allowed to play outside for a week. This further frustrated Lena as her parents were constantly worrying about her and viewed her a helpless (smaller) child. So Lena grew desperate for someone to see them as a respectable girl capable of doing things herself despite her disability.

It was no surprise Serena's pirate crew clicked so quickly with her.

As a pirate, Lena grew prideful and obsessed over becoming a stronger and more respectable pirate. The fear she gave people gave them the power they lacked with her own family. Every raid was a chance to prove herself as stronger, often trying to outshine their fellow crewmates by always getting the biggest item to steal.

(This is a retelling of a part in my fic, you can go to that fic if you want)

However one raid, Lena spots a group of scouts running along the creek trying to get away from the pirates. Refusing to leave the raid empty handed, she decides to steal something from the scouts.

Failing to steal from the scouts, she decides to steal one of the scouts.

Lena kidnaps Tony not wanting to leave the raid empty handed, and to make him a pirate. With his small size, he could be used to crawl into smaller spaces for Serena.

However, Lena is caught by Shannon and is held hostage in order to negotiate a deal with Serena.

After the negotiation, Lena is given back to Serena, but at a cost.

Due to their reckless behavior, letting themselves be captured by a non pirate which resulted in Serena making a deal with a non pirate in order to get her back, Lena is kicked from the pirate crew.

Now, they are forced into becoming a creek kid.

After being kicked from the crew, the creek kids no longer fear her, and they lose the respect they worked hard to obtain.

Now being forced to live like a regular creek kid, she is surprised that none of her old crewmates show mercy towards her during their raids.

She doesn't last a month being the weaker person, and out her hurt pride, they leave the creek.

They don't come back until a year after Serena's pirate crew ends.

She is now a weapons dealer for the creek kids and takes commissions for weapons by creek kids in exchange for goods (sometimes money)

[needlefail]

GIGGLINGGGG SUPER EXCITED TO READ THIS 🤭🤭🤭

Day 6: Past/Future

Rating: Gen

Warnings: None (either for attempted kidnapping and holding someone for ransom but shh)

Relationships: Shannon & Boris & Jason & Tony, Boris & Jason & Tony, Shannon & Boris, Jason & Shannon, Shannon & Tony, Boris & Jason, Boris & Tony

Characters: Shannon, Boris, Tony, Jason, Serena, original female character, tea timers cameo

Disclaimer: Despite being based on a Hazbin Hotel song. I support neither Vivziepop or Hazbin Hotel.

I just finished this fic I feel like fainting, I'm gonna make a follow up but from Boris' pov so watch out for that.

Also hi @needlefail you said I could tag out for this since we both love boris and shannon

[pinkarsonist0]

Day 6: Past/Future

Rating: Gen

Warnings: None (either for attempted kidnapping and holding someone for ransom but shh)

Relationships: Shannon & Boris & Jason & Tony, Boris & Jason & Tony, Shannon & Boris, Jason & Shannon, Shannon & Tony, Boris & Jason, Boris & Tony

Characters: Shannon, Boris, Tony, Jason, Serena, original female character, tea timers cameo

Disclaimer: Despite being based on a Hazbin Hotel song. I support neither Vivziepop or Hazbin Hotel.

I just finished this fic I feel like fainting, I'm gonna make a follow up but from Boris' pov so watch out for that.

Also hi @needlefail you said I could tag out for this since we both love boris and shannon

[pinkarsonist0]

THANK YOU FOR READING THIS OMG I LOVE SHANNON AND I ALREADY HAVE BEEN IDEA ON WHAT FIC I SHOULD DO NEXT WITH HER.

I really wanna try and write the Boris chapter soon, I'm actually the most excited to write that one because there aren't any pics centered around Tony or Boris, only Jason. Tony and Boris are usually supporting characters for Jason fics, and I wanna change that.

Day 6: Past/Future

Rating: Gen

Warnings: None (either for attempted kidnapping and holding someone for ransom but shh)

Relationships: Shannon & Boris & Jason & Tony, Boris & Jason & Tony, Shannon & Boris, Jason & Shannon, Shannon & Tony, Boris & Jason, Boris & Tony

Characters: Shannon, Boris, Tony, Jason, Serena, original female character, tea timers cameo

Disclaimer: Despite being based on a Hazbin Hotel song. I support neither Vivziepop or Hazbin Hotel.

I just finished this fic I feel like fainting, I'm gonna make a follow up but from Boris' pov so watch out for that.

Also hi @needlefail you said I could tag out for this since we both love boris and shannon

[pinkarsonist0]

I'M EXCITED FOR YOU TO READ THIS TOO!!!

I worked really really hard on this and I feel so happy I made the first Shannon & Scouts fic.

Day 6: Past/Future

Rating: Gen

Warnings: None (either for attempted kidnapping and holding someone for ransom but shh)

Relationships: Shannon & Boris & Jason & Tony, Boris & Jason & Tony, Shannon & Boris, Jason & Shannon, Shannon & Tony, Boris & Jason, Boris & Tony

Characters: Shannon, Boris, Tony, Jason, Serena, original female character, tea timers cameo

Disclaimer: Despite being based on a Hazbin Hotel song. I support neither Vivziepop or Hazbin Hotel.

I just finished this fic I feel like fainting, I'm gonna make a follow up but from Boris' pov so watch out for that.

Also hi @needlefail you said I could tag out for this since we both love boris and shannon