#so the only part that’s really alleged are the bullying claims

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cw: abuse mention

Idk who here follows broadway tiktok/twitter drama but it certainly is ironic to see the same broadway tiktok/twitter people who treated a broadway abuser being exposed like gossip and literally said that they wanted more abusers to be outed, not because they gave a fuck about protecting victims, but because they “couldn’t wait for that tea,” now act all morally superior over the whole Sweaty Oracle situation. Like yes, what he’s doing is more legally iffy, but imo talking shit on A*ber A is less morally reprehensible than referring to abuse as tea! But maybe that’s just me!

And yes, I remember every single person who did this. And I think of it every single time I see any of their faces. And I despise them for it.

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Lights, Camera, Action

Pairing: Lando Norris x director!reader Faceclaim: Gemma Chan

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f1wags Meet YN YLN! YN is a successful Hollywood director and producer with movies like Barbie (producer), Boston Strangler (director), and Little Women (director) under her belt. Earlier this afternoon in a Tweet, a fan working as a makeup artist on an undisclosed movie set claimed to see McLaren driver Lando Norris on set with a bouquet of sunflowers.

An hour later YN posted a a picture of a bouquet of sunflowers to her Instagram story with the caption "Pleasant surprise at lunch 🥰" (pictured above). Could it just be a coincidence? Sure. But we may soon have a new WAG in the paddock!

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marissa.lancaster4 Hi! I'm the fan that posted that Tweet. Because of the NDAs that I have signed as a part of my employment I cannot say what movie I am working on nor who the director is. But I can confirm after speaking with several of my coworkers that it was Lando I saw on set earlier today.

f1wags Please DM me if you have any more information that you can share!

mickieslaren Am I the only one that gets a bit weirded out by how we treat celebrities' love lives like this? Maybe Lando was visiting a friend or something. Either way it's none of our business what he was doing on set

landoslove It is a bit odd but, then again, both Lando and YN live in the public eye. There are always going to be little things like this that get scrutinized mickieslaren I just wish they could have a bit of privacy is all landoslove That makes sense. But this is out of our control

nowinsnorris YN is literally so stunning. Lando has some serious game if this is true

landoslove He's trying so hard to beat the norizz allegations

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yourusername Halfway through filming! I have a never ending supply of sunsets and sunflowers 🌅🌻

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florencepugh Come to my hotel room I have a mini champagne bottle I can't get rid of by myself

yourusername I'm omw simuliu Am I invited? florencepugh Sure we need someone to supervise I suppose

americaferrara Go do incredible things! Cannot wait to get my eyes on this once its done

yourusername There's a bucket of popcorn with your name on it!

landoslove Sunflowers she says? 👀

nowinsnorris She's not as slick as she thinks she is

haveyougotpubesyet No bc I'm confident Lando would follow YN around like a lost puppy in the paddock

landoslove I cannot wait for this to get proven real mickieslaren Or we could just leave them alone and let them live their lives haveyougotpubesyet We're not harming them, just having meaningless fun trying to connect invisible dots landoslove Yeah. We're not, like, cyber bullying them or anything mickieslaren I'm just saying it probably can't feel great to have random people poking around in your love life

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landonorris Ready to rock 🤘🏎

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oscarpiastri We really need a McLaren emoji

landonorris 🍑? oscarpiastri I'm taking your phone away landonorris 😨

carlossainz55 Welcome back to the real world

landonorris I don't like it I wanna go back charles_leclerc We have the easiest lives ever get it together. Both of you landonorris Yes, father. Carlos come get your teammate carlossainz55 Nah, this could get fun

landoslove SANTA MONICA

landoslove YN just posted from Santa Monica

nowinsnorris This is me not getting my hopes up buuuuut YN is a director and she lives in California... landoslove Lalalalala I can't hear anything lalalalala

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yourusername Out of the studio for the back half! So unbelievably happy to be back in Australia 🦘🌏

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simuliu Yeah yeah pretty pictures can you come kill the spider in my room now please?

simuliu YN I'm serious, I've been texting you for 30 minutes I know you're seeing these simuliu YN IM NO LONGER ASKING yourusername @/florencepugh do you hear anything? florencepugh Nope. All quiet. Not a peep simuliu Very funny. When I die who are you going to get to finish your movie? yourusername I am on my way to humanely get the scary spider out of your room and put it outside simuliu Hurry up it's staring at me florencepugh With how many eyes?

nowinsnorris I'm already in love with her. I might love her more than I love Lando

landoslove YN YLN - Daniel Ricciardo team up 👀

ynsaction I've never been one to gatekeep but if these F1 delulus keep coming near my wife I will actually lose my mind

yn.florence No literally! She is a feminist icon who has said multiple times in interviews that she's not looking for a partner and focusing on directing and producing. Pls stop shoving her into a WAG box ynsaction I'll always welcome more YN fans but every other word in these comments is about Lando Norris. I'm about to scream landoslove Hi, sorry isn't feminism about women being able to do whatever they want? YN is allowed to change her mind if she met the right person yn.florence If you'd been paying attention you'd know the last interview she made her wishes clear in was a week ago which, according to the calendar, is after people started trying to tie her to Nowins or whatever his name is

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landonorris Good to be back! We'll continue to work and push and get stronger as the season goes on. Thanks for having me, Australia! 🦘

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oscarpiastri The garage used to be so quiet

landonorris You missed me, admit it

carlossainz55 Bit rusty there, mate

landonorris Says the man who got his third consecutive P4 finish. You ever gonna bump up to the podium? carlossainz55 At least I finished in the points charles_leclerc Guys I cannot keep doing this please

landoslove My boy is back and better than ever

haveyougotpubesyet He looked so happy to be back!

nowinsnorris I'm gonna have to change my username this year, aren't I?

landoslove YES YOU ARE norizz481 Here's hoping I get to change mine too landoslove YOU'RE BOTH GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE USERNAMES I'M SPEAKING IT INTO THE UNIVERSE

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yourusername A week and a half left of filming and I cannot wait to celebrate all we've accomplished with these two! Behind the scenes dump coming soon 😉

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americaferrara Congrats all of you! So so unbelievably proud

yourusername Wish you could've been along with us on this ride! See you soon my love

florencepugh My favorite project in a long time! Let's finish this out strong!

simuliu No not that picture 😭

yourusername Listen, it's too good not to share with the world simuliu I'm a superhero, I don't need this kind of harassment yourusername Cope

ynsaction This one is going to be so so good I'm physically vibrating I need it

yn.florence Mother! She's going to win yet another Oscar for this one, I can feel it

ynsaction Our girl don't need no child race car driver

nowinsnorris I'm becoming such a huge fan of YN. She and Lando would be perfect for each other

landoslove Shhhhh you'll scare the fragile film girlies ynsaction God, the f1 delulus are back. I was hoping we got rid of them yn.florence I don't think we're that lucky

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f1wags Picture taken of Lando this morning in Perth, Australia coming out of a florist shop. Not pictured is a bouquet of sunflowers. This is the second time this month that Lando has been spotted with a bouquet of sunflowers.

Lando has been linked to director YN YLN who is wrapping up her new film in Perth. Only time will tell if YN posts some sunflowers in the coming days 👀

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haveyougotpubesyet He is the definition of boyfriend material I swear to god

landoslove Getting closer and closer to beating the norizz allegations

landoslove IS HE BRINGING HER SWEETS TOO??? This boy is going to be the death of me

nowinsnorris What do I need to do to get myself a Lando

mickieslaren Just reminding everyone that Lando does in fact have sisters who were in attendance at the race this weekend and may also enjoy getting sunflowers from their brother

landoslove Jesus, take your negativity away from us who are trying to have fun mickieslaren Yeah it's fun for you now but what about Lando who is trying to go about his day without having some delusional fangirl losing their mind over him buying sunflowers? If you were really a fan of his you would let him live his life landoslove He's a celebrity! His fans are just trying to connect to him mickieslaren When I hear that Lando has gotten a restraining order against a fan I will not be surprised when you suddenly get very quiet

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yourusername This is where the fun begins 🎞 Three months of editing coming up

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florencepugh Im omw with more coffee

yourusername I love you

americaferrara Ahh keep the Excedrin close by

yourusername There's a whole bottle in the corner

simuliu I hope you're making me look good

yourusername Yes, I'm including the scene where the spider crawled up your arm and you screamed like a baby simuliu You're definitely my favorite director, I love working with you yourusername You are also definitely the star of this movie and have more screen time than Flo simuliu Hey, I will always be willing to have less screen time than Flo

ynsaction YES I have been missing YN editing content so bad recently

ynsaction She is such a mood when she's editing she gets so unhinged

landoslove Unhinged YN editing plus Lando being generally unhinged 👀 ynsaction Jesus give it a rest already

yn.florence I, for one, am chasing to focus on incoming unhinged YN posts

nowinsnorris LANDO'S IN THE LIKES EVERYONE

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landonorris So close to a podium finish! We'll make adjustments as needed and push on. See you in Miami!

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oscarpiastri So my days of quiet garage are definitely over?

landonorris You're stuck with me forever, mate carlossainz55 Good luck, Oscar landonorris WOW

landonorris @/charles_leclerc your teammate is being mean to me

charles_leclerc You think I have control over him?

ynsaction Not YN in the likes I had such high hopes

landoslove Genuine question; why are you against her finding someone she likes to be with? ynsaction I'm not against her finding someone she likes to be with, I'm against all Lando's fans trying to shove her into a WAG box when she's spoken so much about not wanting a partner at the moment. Especially when it was as soon as a month ago landoslove Okay, that's valid. But we're not trying to shove her into a box. This is just harmless shipping. I'm sure you do it with fictional characters you like ynsaction YN is an idol to me. I'm protective over her, I'm sorry if I've been bitchy landoslove I've been bitchy too, I apologize as well

mickieslaren I still don't like pushing into celebrity love lives

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yourusername First time out of the studio since editing started. Thank you @/f1 for hosting me!

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f1 Anything for our favorite director!

florencepugh Did you see The Guy???? 👀

yourusername It's not too late to make the movie about Simu simuliu YES... I mean, yeah did you see The Guy???? 👀 yourusername You're both blacklisted from my film sets

mclaren Give us a heads up next time you come! We'll set you up in the garage!

yourusername Oh that would be incredible! Thank you so so much!

ynsaction She always looks so adorable I am in love with her

yn.florence Mother is Mothering

ynsaction all hail

haveyougotpubesyet McLaren sipping after her too now

ynsaction Who wouldn't simp after her tbh

landoslove Just soft launch already

landoslove Florence and Simu chirping her about seeing The Guy I'm DYING

nowinsnorris The Guy is 100% Lando. It has to be at this point

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charles_leclerc You caught me so off guard

carlossainz55 Best picture in the middle tbh

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yourusername Beautiful day in Monaco made even more beautiful by this wonderful boy! Congratulations, @/landonorris I'm so proud of you!

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florencepugh THE GUY. SHE PULLED THE GUY.

simuliu YESSSS NO MORE LATE NIGHTS DRUNK TALKING ABOUT HIM

yourusername Way to call me out, guys, thanks for that. You do remember I'm technically your boss right? florencepugh Movie wrapped, love. You can't tell us what to do anymore simuliu At least until we sign on for another one of your projects

landonorris Awww you drunk talked about me 🥰

yourusername I'll chase you

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yourusername Best weekend ever

landonorris Only because you were here

oscarpiastri Here's hoping the garage will be quiet again

landonorris No shot but nice try yourusername I'll do my best to keep him quiet for you oscarpiastri YN is my new favorite

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yourusername I love you so so much, darling. Thank you for being there through everything

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florencepugh Yes!!!! Drinks on Simu at the afterparty!

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interview series: doja cat edition

July 27th 2023

doja cat’s current energy:

she’s feeling very affectionate and nurturing right now (i’m assuming towards her relationship/partner) she’s also not taking any sort or criticism nor is she interested in any sort of self reflection at the moment. she feeling herself for sure & feels accepted by the people that matter most to her and that’s what she’s focusing on. people thinking they can criticize her is causing her to be super rebellious and she feels as if she’s claiming personal her authority with the way she’s acting. she feels as if everyone and everything is working against her and out to get her. it’s like she’s right to feel “controlled” but at this point she’s fighting for fighting’s sake. like even if you’re agreeing with her, you’re doing it wrong. she’s trusting her impulses and acting on them and she refuses to let anyone throw her back into self doubt. if im being honest, it feels a bit manic. i think she’s being quite patient in her relationship as well and things aren’t actually going as well as she hoped. she sees the man in her life right now as very careless and irresponsible, not very dependable and even a bit disappointing but she wants to stick by him despite this. i think she’s also still dealing with betrayal from a friend.

does doja cat really hate her music from hot pink and planet her?

no, she doesn’t actually hate her music from these albums. i think she’s just tired of it and is only saying she hates it because everyone else likes it so much. contrarian vibe, but she knows it’s good. i think it’s more about the unhappy emotions she attaches to the music from that time.

is doja cat acting up to get her label to drop her because she doesn't like her contract?

nope.

how does doja cat feel about her fans right now?

she feels the need to disrupt them and get things shaking. it’s like she thinks “my real ones will stay regardless” almost like she’s purging out the fakes. she feels very strongly about them (genuinely love to hatred) and knows they gave her power and she can do whatever she wants with it now (including cuss them out) she feels they need to learn to be their own people and that they’re too superficial and can’t see beyond the surface. she does feel safe for the most part though and as if she can see who’s truly devoted and a fan of her for (what she thinks) are the right reasons

was doja cat ever bullied for being black/biracial?

yes, she definitely was.

did doja cat’s mother contribute to her issues with blackness?

yes, I believe so. not on purpose or in a malicious way or anything though. it seems she just genuinely didn’t know how to raise a biracial/black child, but i think tried her best? there was A LOT of struggle here though.

how does doja cat feel about j.cyrus right now?

she feels he will overcome everything people are throwing at him and she feels he’s quite confident. she wants them to come out of this strong. she feels he deserves a new start.

how does doja cat feel about fans reaction to her dating j.cyrus?

she feels miserable and a bit devastated and i think that may be what caused her to adopt this whole “idgaf” attitude about the whole thing. but in reality, i think she may even have shed tears over this. she knows this is attached to her forever and may even feel insecure in her friendships because of it. she knows people are looking at her like she’s a terrible person.

how does doja cat feel about the allegations against j.cyrus?

i think she thinks he’s been honest and faithful and is choosing to trust in him during this time. i don’t think she even believes in the allegations, she’s choosing to be naive, thoughtless & rash when it comes to this and honestly, straight up stupid. she’s upset about the allegations overall though.

[our-divine-violinist]

because @ca-suffit is too chicken to put up my ask that I sent off anon I’ll post this here. I am not okay with people hiding behind supposedly good deeds like defending the poc or lgbtqia community to bully others.

i don’t mind putting my name here to make some points and not hide. and yeah I blocked you ahead of time because I know people like you thrive on drama and I’m not going to be a part of that. this will be a one and done. and tbh you really have already put your foot in your mouth so many times on your responses that to anyone relatively sane you look completely out of control. 

i don’t know where the racism you are alleging to is coming from but there’s many instances in elisaintime videos that address this topic and she did so very kindly and level headedly when she responded back to you here. You obviously have not watched anything of hers

but I’ll say what everyone is thinking seeing this back and forth today (and as someone rarely on this app I can’t believe I had to see this when I came here to just vibe). you seem to be incredibly jealous of elisaintime. and before you retort there’s no way you could POSSIBLY be jealous, yes you are. dig deep in there and admit to yourself, you don’t have to admit it to anyone else but yourself so you can deal with your own emotions fully. These kind of delusional statements made on nothing but your opinion rather than facts (we have yet to see your receipts you supposedly have) is indicative of someone who is extremely insecure and quite honestly just plainly put a bully because you can’t have what you want. yep you are a bully what people in this fandom hate. You aren’t stopping any racism or making the poc community any more safe by instigating fights and making claims that have no basis for fact. It degrades the works the fandom has done to point out the problems and actually sweep out the real racists. 

now away from that garbage fire and onto the other issue. AMC needs to be held responsible if you really thinking they are only inviting white people (that wouldn’t be elisaintime fault it would be solely on amc). But I doubt you actually believe what you’re saying here because if you did the easiest way to hold a company responsible is unengaging with them. Sure send them emails about their problematic racism instead of emails that honestly makes you look like some unhinged mega fan just starting tumblr drama. make them realize that the fandom holds power and don’t support that and they will lose engagement and money real fast and clean up their act and apologize. Simple. But again you aren’t going to do that because you don’t actually believe what you’re saying. Boycotting has worked wonders to get a message out by the people in the past for many things currently happening in the world. But I doubt you actually care enough to boycott amc right now because that means your show would suffer.

The real issue is this. You hate the idea of someone who might even remotely dislikes or criticizes the show getting something you didn’t get. we are all thinking it. Jealousy is normal response but it’s how you react to it that lets people know how you really are. It is not a good look for you or show fans or pocs. You are afraid of one influencers opinion that isn’t raving is going to hurt ratings. Reality check any publicity is good publicity that’s showbiz which seems like you greatly misunderstand. A variety of reviews makes things realistic. things aren’t black and white good or bad you love or you hate there’s middle ground. the show will be okay you don’t have to defend it like this in such a brash and rude way that has nothing to stand on except your opinion of some YouTube influencer. If you really think your thing is any good then it doesn’t have to be protected and sheltered.

I have so many things to say but I think that’s plenty for you to stomach. I would rarely do this, but I was so shocked to see the spite that I had to write something. wishing you the best, truly. Please get some therapy. 

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If my message isn’t getting posted then you know there’s others that aren’t being posted. Curating your experience something something.

@elisaintime I dont want to even entertain replying to “the thread” but I want to let you know this was completely uncalled for by this person. I am so sorry that the fandom continues to thrive on made up stories and drama to somehow try to feel superior to others. We can all enjoy media in our own way. There are normal people here who genuinely watch your videos and appreciate what you’ve done within the vampire community to not interact with bullies and racists and bigots. I’ve seen you support black and brown influencers for years.

and for those of you who just don’t want the drama on your timeline I understand not wanting to reblog or like! Still respect you!

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Lily has responded.

More D.A.R.O style exercises.

raise your hand if you're surprised.

more than that… i can't stress enough how much LO is lying. and i don't mean about the accusations from Courtney or about Courtney, but on the very first line.

"my sister is lying about me because i talked about her being abusive and participating on the abuse coming from my parents so she's retaliating."

this is factually wrong and anyone can debunk this. anyone can go through my blog right now, see the date in which i started talking about "someone claiming to be LO's sister" claiming a bunch of things about LO and then compare that with the date in which LO started really hamming in about how her sister was awful, how Courtney tried to kill her, how much of a little bully she was.

before we started talking about the allegations from "someone claiming to be LO's sister", because we didn't had any confirmation at the time, LO barely even talked about her sister. the most all of us knew was the story about beating her 15 times over a control remote and she ran away from home. it was only after Courtney made her accusations that LO suddenly felt talking a lot more about her childhood and her sister.

i too need to point out how LO still doesn't know what reactive abuse is. LO, i'll explain it clearly since you don't seem to get this: everytime you accuse anyone of being an example of "reactive abuse", you're saying that they're reacting… to the abuse you put them through. that's what the actual term means. it doesn't mean "this person abused me in response to me defending myself from their abuse", which i think is what you think, but rather "this person is reacting to the abuse they're going through."

you basically admitted that you abused your sister and this is her reacting to it. you're not the victim, you're the main abuser when you use that term and applied it to someone else. this is the second time you do this same mistake, you did it with Lizzy too.

google is free. use it sometime.

on top of that… a racist? do you really want to talk about racism? with your brownfacing avatar and appropiating of a Cherokee identity that has nothing to do with you? i see you still have "indigenous" on your bio despite being white and having no relation with no indigenous community, because you simply refused to all these years. i see you aren't doing anything to change that disgusting feathered earring you shove on your avatar to try to make it seem more "exotic". if you want to talk about racism and colonialism, how about we start from there?

she's lying about what we're even accusing her too. now, why does a innocent person even needs to do that? we accuse her of being an enjoyer of CSEM, which we have reason to believe she is, not of producing that content ( if we did that you'd read me on a very different tone than the one i'm using right now), of preying on minors (some of them even gave testimony) and… is it really just an accusations if almost everyone you have met has come out accusing you of abusing them on some way? or is that just pointing out the obvious? but the animals part is completely made up. i don't think none of us would trust LO with our pets or to properly take care of an animal if one landed under her care, but that's a very different issue than outright accusing her of having already harmed an animal. but how interesting that you even brought that up. (especially with how you have talked multiple times about harming rats you found in your apartment and "joked" about throwing rocks to cats during streams. i almost forgot about that, but thanks for reminding me!)

for the hundred time… the fact that she hasn't been arrested doesn't mean anything. thousands of innocent people are rotting in jail and a bunch of criminals are walking around consequences free. you'd hope the person who made a big show about "denouncing a pedophile" (piggybacking from the work other people did in fact) who end up free and not arrested, despite the mountains of evidence and testimony, would know that. but suddenly the system is perfect and the law is always correct. only when it comes to show that LO hasn't been arrested… yet.

"i got accused of faking cancer"… based on the fact that you constantly contradict yourself regarding this issue, didn't know the first thing about the actual treatment and somehow expect us to believe that you were in treatment while also streaming long hours at night or morning playing videogames with no sign at all of illness whatsoever. it's based on the fact that we did actually google, some of us do have experience with cancer from our loved ones and we know that your story makes no sense no matter how many times you tell it.

it also doesn't help you the fact that you even started talking about a cancer when Courtney did came out with her allegations. almost as if you were using it as a distraction. you didn't thought i forgot about that, did you?

where is that lawyer, LO? i have been talking a lot about you in this blog, i'm one of the people giving out the worst accusations against your persona. even before Courtney ever said a word, in my blog is where the "rumour" of you enjoying CSEM gleefuly started. i accused you of preying on children, even more than other blogs did. i accused you of being aware that the material you enjoy was made with the suffering of real children and liking it all the same.

where is my formal accusation, LO? how come i can walk around a free funny onion if all i do is say lies about you and so egregious at that? i guess according to your logic, they must be true. it must be true if i haven't been contacted by your absolutely real lawyer that somehow you can pay with who knows what money. because those are serious accusations and, if it were me, i'd absolutely do everything in my power to stop the spreading of them. if i were innocent, that is.

i'll be waiting the call from Saul Goodman.

[sailor-rowling]

No, JK Rowling is not a Holocaust denier

The LGBT lobby has found yet another sickening way to attack JK Rowling. Trans-activist bullies, who so often delight in sending death and rape threats to the Harry Potter author, are now suggesting she is a Holocaust denier. It should go without saying that this is an absurd and defamatory slur. It is also one that’s being increasingly employed against anyone who dares to question the trans lobby’s latest attempt to rewrite history.

Rowling was accused of Holocaust denial last week, after she wrote a post on X that doubted claims that the Nazis made trans people a specific target for genocide. This argument is part of a wider attempt by activists to place trans people at the centre of the Holocaust. But the truth is that they weren’t. At least, not in any meaningful sense.

Digging into these claims, I soon discovered that activist historians have been sewing together a patchwork story of an alleged trans ‘genocide’ that is breathtakingly misleading. In fact, their entire narrative is built on only a handful of trans victims. Crucially, most of these victims were also Jewish or homosexual.

In response to Rowling’s comments, Pink News published an article claiming that ‘the persecution of trans people by the Nazis was devastating’. The proof for this? The names of five trans victims. What Pink News fails to disclose is that three of these people actually survived the war and fortunately lived to a ripe old age. One victim – Liddy Bacroff, who was arrested as a male prostitute – did sadly die in a concentration camp. Another, Gerd R, took his own life.

Take the case of Gerd R, one of the victims mentioned by Pink News. Gerd was a married, heterosexual man who had a history of crossdressing. He was arrested multiple times for public indecency after his neighbours grew tired of finding him hiding naked in their communal bins. He was later rescued from a concentration camp by the intervention of his doctor, who pointed out that he was heterosexual. This action saved his life and he was moved to a mental institution. There, Gerd took his own life.

Gerd’s fate was tragic. But it is almost certain that he would have ended up in an asylum for this behaviour anywhere across Europe at that time. The idea that a non-Jewish, heterosexual man like Eddie Izzard would without question have been murdered when Gerd R was not is fanciful, self-serving nonsense.

Another victim, Gerd Kubbe, a woman who identified as a man, had a very close brush with the authorities. In 1938, she was arrested for wearing men’s clothes and sent to a concentration camp. But a few months later, she was released and permitted to dress as she liked and to adopt the gender-neutral name of Gerd. One ‘queer’ historian admits that ‘police at first reacted harshly but later showed surprising leniency’. Even gay transvestite Fritz Kitzing, who was repeatedly arrested for soliciting, was sent to join the army rather than killed in a concentration camp. Kitzing survived the war and ran an antique shop until the 1990s.

So far, the mixed fortunes of the handful of named trans victims suggest that it was entirely possible to be ‘trans’ and elude persecution. If you were heterosexual, considered ‘Aryan’, followed the rules on public crossdressing and avoided prostitution or public indecency, you at least had a chance of surviving the brutal regime. No such leniency was afforded to the Nazis’ key targets, like Jews or disabled people, who were ruthlessly sought out for elimination.

When trans activists describe this truth-telling as ‘Holocaust denial’, they do a disservice to all Holocaust victims – including the few trans victims who really did suffer at the hands of an evil regime for their other characteristics. We must resist this blatant rewriting of history and the trans appropriation of the Holocaust.

[houseofbrat]

Oh, look, a medical doctor in the US questioning the party line regarding KP’s timeline regarding Kate's health updates!

And the Daily Mail oh so conveniently lobbed his comments in with Christopher Bouzy of all people.

Jonathan Reiner, a medical doctor with internal medicine and cardiology certifications, who teaches at George Washington University is no slouch and no dummy. He also has no skin in the game regarding the British royal family and any of their fandoms!

And what was it that Rebecca quoted him as saying?

He was among conspiracy theorists who spread a CNN clip, which has now been viewed millions of times, in which a doctor claimed that Kate's statement did not make 'medical sense'. Asked how cancer could be found after surgery, Jonathan Reiner said: 'With all respect to the Royal Family, that kind of press release doesn't make a lot of medical sense.' The professor of medicine at George Washington University said such operations are preceded by extensive CAT scans and MRIs, adding it was 'very likely' the surgical team knew of the cancer prior to operating.

Ah, yes, only "conspiracy theorists" would listen to a doctor saying that Kensington Palace's timeline makes no sense. Because apparently in the world according to KP, Kate had "planned abdominal surgery" on 16 January 2024, but the doctors would not know about non-cancerous fistulas or bowel obstructions before they cut her open? Kate had "planned abdominal surgery" and all the normal planning such as CT scan or MRIs were never completed in the planning stages??

According to Rebecca's article, we should ALL dismiss the critiques of KP/Kate's timeline because there is no way they would have suspected cancer until weeks later.

That's what Kensington Palace apparently wants everyone to think.

Did you miss CNN's segment with Jonathan Reiner, MD? Do you want to see it yourself? Well you can, courtesy of the TV archive.

Part A

Part B

Part C

Part D ~ this is the part that gets quoted in Rebecca's piece

Part E

Part F

Part G

This is the part of Kate's statement that Dr. Reiner is critiquing:

In January, I underwent major abdominal surgery in London and at the time, it was thought that my condition was non-cancerous. The surgery was successful. However, tests after the operation found cancer had been present. My medical team therefore advised that I should undergo a course of preventative chemotherapy and I am now in the early stages of that treatment. “This of course came as a huge shock, and William and I have been doing everything we can to process and manage this privately for the sake of our young family.

Doctors would have briefed Kate about the possibility of any cancer prior to any "planned abdominal surgery." Saying it was "a huge shock" to a cardiologist--who says that "doesn't make a lot of medical sense"--as Kate's statement reads to other medical doctors as if proper planning wasn't done. Kate's medical team would have informed her about the possibility of finding cancer not just before anything was sent to the pathology lab but before the surgery even took place. So...is it really that Kate was not informed by her medical team about this possibility or was Kate's surgery not planned?

KP keeps being real cagey about that surgery, and it doesn't make them look good. It's already known amongst the media that Kate has known about this cancer diagnosis since January, even though they didn't tell the public about it. Kate is using the excuse that she could only tell the public now due to the alleged possibility of mean kids at Lambrook, which I sincerely doubt because the world heard about their grandfather having cancer just a few weeks ago and I have yet to see a story with accusations about mean kids at Lambrook bullying George, Charlotte, and Louis over this.

Someone ain't being truthful about this situation, and I don't think it's Jonathan Reiner.

[kerrikins]

Given everything I thought that I would briefly hop on here in order to express some of my thoughts. Anyone who follows me on twitter will have already seen this but I know there are some who only follow me on here so here I am.

For me what has been released a couple of weeks ago and now today changes relatively little for me, in large part mostly because with the leaks three weeks ago I assessed how I felt about their contents and came to a decision that while I was disappointed, frustrated and hurt (especially for Bible, who I adore), I felt that his actions and what we've seen since January show a true desire to change and be a better person.

I also did not and still do not trust the source, nor do I respect the clear and obvious motivations behind this ongoing attempt to blackmail and bully Build out of public life. She has outright stated that she 'made' him and will destroy him, and what has been going on since January is her attempt to do just that. She consistently times things to coincide with events for him - his concert, the XBlush announcement and now the Starry Magazine announcement. The way that people seem so unwilling to think analytically about the downright strategic way she's approached this and what that might mean really frustrates me, but it is what it is at this point.

(I will add here for those who aren't aware, though - the account releasing this information outright stated during the last leaks that the intent is to get Build to resign from the entertainment industry. That, my friends, is called coercion and blackmail. It's not acceptable no matter how you feel about him.)

There is also the plain and simple fact that I cannot stomach or stay silent in the face of the unrelenting vitriol that has been hurled in this man's direction by his ex and by the fandom and the internet in general since January. I am an older fandom member and I really can't think of a time where I've seen the sort of unceasing tide of hatred that has been going on towards Build since the news broke.

I adore Bible, and most of the other cast members. I will be clear here and say that I am not defending what Build said in those screenshots (I think they reveal he is an insecure and jealous man in need of some therapy, who also had a partner who brought out the absolute worst in him) and that I cannot and will not expect any fan who is uncomfortable, hurt, angry or unhappy with Biu's actions and words to stay with him or support him. If you are uncomfortable with me supporting him then please feel free to unfollow me and go in peace, I wish you well as long as you do not spread hatred against him. I do not expect any of the cast members to remain friends with him or support him and you will not see me spreading hatred towards them, nor have I ever once done so since January.

I will just continue to speak up to say that I think that if - and I know there is a big if here - Build has done as he claims and started fresh from January, then he deserves the chance to make that fresh start.

It disturbs me that right now he is not being allowed to do so.

It disturbs me that at least two private images of him were released for millions to see and there's been very little blow-back about it and in fact very little discussion about it. I am reminded once again of the allegations that Build 'slept with her for the role' and the display of hypocrisy that was on display then and is on display now. If someone did these things to a woman the internet would be calling for their head no matter what she had said in private chats.

It disturbs me to see the mockery and games going on over on Twitter, with things such as people filming themselves laughing over Bible unfollowing yesterday, or giving away money for cast members unfollowing today. Some people really need to step away from their computers, touch some grass and assess the depths to which they're stooping.

This isn't a game. This is someone's life. This is the life of ALL of the cast members. Do people really think that it's funny and a joke and a great old time when these cast members they support make the decision to unfollow Build? It really feels like people have forgotten the reality of the situation here - to them it is just a fun time when the truth is whether it's a business decision or a personal one, I doubt anyone is experiencing *good* feelings about this.

If I ever find out that Build has done any of the things that he did in the screenshots since January then I will cease my support. However I can tell you right now that I will not participate in the fandom war or the ongoing crusade against him. I would simply cease to follow or interact with him and stop speaking about him, and that is all.

I wish that more people would make that same choice.

To people who still support him, my thoughts are with you as I know that right now is incredibly tough. 💗

To those who support ones he has spoken poorly of, I appreciate how you must be feeling, I just hope you will not engage in hatred.

I am taking a break from twitter and likely from this fandom in general because between work and fandom things have been pretty shit right now, but you might see me around for other fandoms.

That's all for now.

[heir-less]

Nothing about Meghan bullying staff is stated. - Its not stated by Harry, it doesn't mean it didn't happen as multiple staff members have told (apparently Meghan's truth is the only one and the one told by her victims doesn't count). Do you really believe Harry would admit Meghan is a bully? I mean, I understand that we all know he's stupid, but he's not that stupid.

I was replying to an anon (if this isn't still you moving the goalpost) claiming that William got into a physical fight with Harry over Meghan being a bully, I said that no new evidence supports that and they were citing The Sun uncritically.

"It doesn't mean it didn't happen as multiple staff members have told." <- Y'know, anon, Buckingham Palace did a whole investigation of these claims, a whole investigation, that stemmed from this article about how Meghan allegedly caused two personal assistants to quit and undermined the morale of a third employee. This was not an allegation made by these staff members themselves, but by Jason Knauf, and what happened once these three staff members learned about the claim? They asked for it to be rescinded. Furthermore, the findings and details of the external, Buckingham Palace-funded investigation were never made public (surprising considering how public the allegation was made). So when you say: "multiple staff members have told " you're lying. One staff member who wasn't a victim filed a complaint, and then the alleged victims didn't cooperate with him and asked for it to be withdrawn. So, I am listening to their experiences, and unlike you, I'm not leaving anything out when it's convenient.

Named staff who have left such as Melissa Touabti and Amy Pickerill left under normal circumstances and, despite unfounded press speculation, have never claimed that Meghan drove them out or that she bullied them. All of them either found a better-paying job or were overdue for retirement. Dickie Arbiter, hardly pro-Meghan source, said himself that “By outward appearances, it has been a bit of a ‘revolving door,’ [but] it just so happens with the Cambridge and Sussex households [that] employees started around the same time," meaning that these people have been working for the royal household for the same prolonged period and them leaving was normal. Working as part of a royal household is stressful and demanding, which obviously plays a factor in how they do their job. Several members of the royal family have had rumours swirl after staff members leave, but it's only with Meghan that it feeds into something extremely damning about her character without proof.

I'm just highlighting this anon because it shows how they will lie openly and cherry-pick things and then try to act as if they give a fuck about people being victimized when they're just looking for ways to justify a racist smear campaign by painting Meghan as deserving of it, regardless of having no real evidence.

[rackingweightsstoppinghate]

Here’s why you actually voted for Trump. Contrary to @texasthegreatdestroyer ‘s claims that you were invested in the economy, the state of the country and his “policies.” Your justification for voting for a sexist, racist, homo/transphobic, xenophobic, fascist pile of shit is because his opponent was a “creep” despite he, himself, admitting to sexual assault on audio. He has hundreds of valid sexual assault allegations against him, but Biden is the creep?

So, @mack3030 you do concede that Trump is a womanizing rapist. Biden creeps on kids? Is this not directly from 4chan, alt-right “pizza store” conspiracy theory? But you claim to not be a part of their “cult of personality?”

You apologized this morning saying that you “regret” your choice. When exactly did you regret it? Knowing that you voted for him twice? Well, apparently you regretted it on January 6th, 2021. LAST YEAR. Was it because of his racism? Homophobia? Transphobia, as I know you are a close friend of @victimofcowbuild who I support fiercely. Sexist ideologies? Anti-choice policies? Xenophobia? No.

His “brazen attitude”, really Sunny?

Ok, well. You’re not far off from Pescado then, who has openly taunted, bullied and victimized minority members of this community. Instead of renouncing him completely, you elected to partner with him to fortify your credibility as an anti-paywall source. You then defended him, while claiming not to defend him, by suggesting that the claims against him may not be completely true (despite the literal evidence on his board) since “we weren’t there.”

Here is your attempt at defending your vote:

You are simply not the person to spearhead our movement. These claims of you being racist are not unfounded nor are they false. You bullied a group of 10-15 Black simmers out of Dollhouse Mafia because they wouldn’t “get in line” with your authority. They called you out for using racially charged language, joking about slavery and for siding with subscribers to the group chat who were being openly racist against creators who make “ethnic” content. Instead of being better, you banned them all. You also bragged to your moderators about bullying a Black minor. “He deserved that shit!” as you cheered. For someone who is not only a teacher, but an alleged champion of mental health, you engage in bully like behavior OFTEN but are pardoned as your perceived greater good of exposing paywalls mean more to this community.

You should excuse yourself as a figure head of this community. Your presence taints us all.

@msteaqueen @ccfinds @texasthegreatdestroyer @simbelene @littleblackbooksims @kaiwrysims @13pumpkin31 @victimofcowbuild @strawberryy-gold

[hardpacker]

impressed by the way so many capital p Posters and even more impactful advocates will genuinely, or opportunistically, claim to be in support of body autonomy by way of alleged anti-racism, trans rights, SWers, reproductive rights (occasionally disability and fat liberation to a lesser degree) all of which are framed in labour rights if not 100% socialism/communism. and yet, mystifyingly, will never-- LITERALLY NEVER-- mention trans guys explicitly. and when they do, it sounds like a footnote that's been hassled out of them "o fuck, shit, right, that." i assume it's due to their social circles or something, like they don't hear about any firsthand/in person. but i also don't think they care.

in response to a friend, i said that at this point i really do (voluntarily and not) shut off Trans Brain and become emotionally 2D to handle it. i shut off a whole entire part of me because running headfirst into this wall over and over is too much. for all that's evolved since, i think back to 2015-2016-2017 or so, when i started trying to impart the consequence of this incomplete analysis. and so little has changed other than a heightened risk of ruination through alienation and physical and material harm. and this is acceptable. i've been thanked for speaking about it which is wonderful but even people closer to me give up if there's no commonality, instead of the lack of it being meaningful too.

aside from all that there is still a huge reliance on appearance-based disses, especially fatphobia and ableism. which i'm sure is tied to the above: if people consider ugliness a moral flaw then whatever abuse comes by thru the law of attraction (something i think more people believe in than they themselves realise.) all of this is intermixed with transphobia. if a lot of trans guys are fat and/or disabled and thru their transition and alignment to men, unfuckable and incomprehensible to the most influential allies (/chasers,) we're basically just dead weight, occasionally taking up precious attention, so, frankly, not quite dead enough. it's a huge problem. i long ago muted whatever terms i could think of to avoid this, because the only type of news or Posts about trans guys that crossed my peripheral vision were negative ones.

waiting for the floor to cave in underneath me is no way to live and has dramatically altered my sense of comfort among both strangers and friends. when i say i don't get this shit, i mean it. when it comes to the people you consider enemies, are there not better reasons to bully them back? it really makes any other position seem deeply insincere.

[fairytaledustland]

Look! It’s BECK HUDSON, GRACIE’S CRUSH. They’re a THIRTY-FOUR year old LIGHTHOUSE KEEPER and they look a lot like RICHARD MADDEN. I hear he is RELIABLE, PRINCIPLED, and INDUSTRIOUS but they can also be MISANTHROPIC, TEMPERAMENTAL, and GUARDED.

TW: allegations of murder, depression, attempted suicide (drunk driving, water-related accident), bullying and harassment, alcohol abuse, intermittent anger issues, undertones of homophobia and chauvinism

NAME: Beck Hudson AGE: 34 OCCUPATION: Lighthouse Keeper, fisherman SEXUALITY: (Closeted) Bisexual MARITAL STATUS: Single CONNECTION: Gracie’s crush FACE CLAIM: Richard Madden

Comes from what his father refers to as “good stock”; boasted that their family was made of strong stuff. There was always a ridiculously high expectation to do the best, be the best, and a whole lot of issues if one fell short of that. 

While Hudson and his father never quite saw eye-to-eye, he still strived for that man’s attention and acceptance. He tried. He joined the sports he was supposed to, he befriended the right people, he stayed out of trouble because that scholarship was important. Those scouts were already asking questions on how soon was too soon to draft this kid to the big leagues. NFL was the end goal. The only goal.

In school, he was widely well-liked and an all-around decent guy. That all-American kid with a bright future and genuine smile. Everything seemed to come so easy to Hudson, from the outside looking in. The reality of it was harsh; the expectations were crushing, anxiety-inducing, and just plain exhausting. He pushed himself to the limit for all of them and their sake. He played his part and he didn’t complain. 

He was that nauseating cliche of Mr. Perfect. Right on down to his girlfriend, because of course she would be a peppy little cheerleader. And it just wouldn’t be high school without all their ridiculous back and forth fights over nothing, or the intense make-up sessions not forty minutes later.

Then Gracie Kingston happened, and Hudson’s life has never been the same. 

Whatever he might say or do, Hudson has clear recollection of that night. He knew Gracie had a silly crush on him (honestly, everyone did) and he knew his girlfriend would get upset if she saw him hanging out with Gracie, of all people. He didn’t expect to enjoy his time with her -- they talked, really talked. He actually told her things he hadn’t the courage to tell anyone else, even his girlfriend, for fear of what they might say or think. She was cute and smart and she listened. Turns out, Hudson kissed her because he’d wanted to and not for any other reason, actually. And he had even thought, come Monday at school, he was going to see if she wanted to eat lunch with him.

But the unthinkable happened instead. Gracie was dead and nobody had a clue as to why. Or, more importantly, who did it. They questioned all the kids that were there that night. They even questioned the ones that weren’t, and the randoms that just happened to be in the neighborhood. And you know whose name seemed to be on many people’s lips? Hudson’s. Hadn’t he been with Gracie that night? They were making out! No, he had tried to help her surf. Actually, there may have been some arguing? Sorry, no idea where he was all night. 

The backlash was instant. Overnight, Beck Hudson became a social pariah. They even took him downtown, in handcuffs, before anything was even known. No amount of endless questioning and cajoling and clever snide attempts could crack the teenager. He didn’t do anything. The CCPD were anxious to pin it on someone, anyone, so they could reassure the residents they “got their man”. Hudson was one of those lucky few they kept at the top of their list. If they had any better evidence, or more precise witness testimony, he’d have a seat in prison. No really, they literally told him that. 

His life was over.  It’s not dramatic to say that, because it’s what happened. His friends couldn’t look him in the eye anymore. Others whispered behind his back. Even a select few outright voiced their accusations. Hudson wasn’t everyone’s favorite anymore. Nobody even cared when they jumped him. 

His grades tanked. He was dropped from the team. Scouts no longer wanted any part of his controversy. Even his old man was disgusted and disappointed, and pushed him out the door after graduation.

Hudson has struggled by himself since. Of course, he would be angry. Of course, he would be depressed. Of course, he would be resentful and bitter and hateful. But he didn’t expect the guilt. Or the shame. He sought solace in the bottle and caused a lot of problems in town. He figured, he might as well give them reason to arrest him. And honestly? He may have been inebriated but... he intentionally drove off the docks that day. 

Nothing has gotten better. Now he’s simply tired. Tired, yet too damn stubborn and prideful to be run out of this town. To prove them right, that he had something to hide.

Hudson is only a ghost of his former self these days. He keeps to himself. He tends to the lighthouse. He sells what he catches. He tries to keep that dirty old boat afloat. 

And he never smiles anymore.

[mackisakaren]

Shiny wig? Sure, Karen.

Here’s why Mack actually voted for Trump. Contrary to texasthegreatdestroyer ‘s claims that you were invested in the economy, the state of the country and his “policies.” Your justification for voting for a sexist, racist, homo/transphobic, xenophobic, fascist pile of shit is because his opponent was a “creep” despite he, himself, admitting to sexual assault on audio. He has hundreds of valid sexual assault allegations against him, but Biden is the creep?

So Mack, you do concede that Trump is a womanizing rapist. Biden creeps on kids? Is this not directly from 4chan, alt-right “pizza store” conspiracy theory? But you claim to not be a part of their “cult of personality?”

You apologized this morning saying that you “regret” your choice. When exactly did you regret it? Knowing that you voted for him twice? Well, apparently you regretted it on January 6th, 2021. LAST YEAR. Was it because of his racism? Homophobia? Transphobia, as I know you are a close friend of victimofcowbuild who I support fiercely. Sexist ideologies? Anti-choice policies? Xenophobia? No.

His “brazen attitude”, really Sunny?

Ok, well. You’re not far off from Pescado then, who has openly taunted, bullied and victimized minority members of this community. Instead of renouncing him completely, you elected to partner with him to fortify your credibility as an anti-paywall source. You then defended him, while claiming not to defend him, by suggesting that the claims against him may not be completely true (despite the literal evidence on his board) since “we weren’t there.”

Here is your attempt at defending your vote:

You are simply not the person to spearhead our movement. These claims of you being racist are not unfounded nor are they false. You bullied a group of 10-15 Black simmers out of Dollhouse Mafia because they wouldn’t “get in line” with your authority. They called you out for using racially charged language, joking about slavery and for siding with subscribers to the group chat who were being openly racist against creators who make “ethnic” content. Instead of being better, you banned them all. You also bragged to your moderators about bullying a Black minor. “He deserved that shit!” as you cheered. For someone who is not only a teacher, but an alleged champion of mental health, you engage in bully like behaviour OFTEN but are pardoned as your perceived greater good of exposing paywalls mean more to this community.

You should excuse yourself as a figure head of this community. Your presence taints us all. Now tell me, why is it when Anto apologized for what he did, you proceeded to taunt him? However, when you apologize, everyone is somehow supposed to feel sorry for you and believe you are truly sorry? It doesn’t work like that. No one that we have seen has come forward to say they have been doxxed or put in danger by anto, just that he is guilty by association.

But YOU, on the other hand, had willingly voted for one of the most hated, sexist, racist, homo/transphobic, xenophobic, fascist pile of shits to ever walk this planet, not once, but TWICE. You tried to keep it quiet, afraid of being held accountable of your OWN bad behaviour and actions, but the truth will ALWAYS COME OUT.

[ca-suffit]

i don’t mind putting my name here to make some points and not hide. and yeah I blocked you ahead of time because I know people like you thrive on drama and I’m not going to be a part of that. this will be a one and done. and tbh you really have already put your foot in your mouth so many times on your responses that to anyone relatively sane you look completely out of control. 

i don’t know where the racism you are alleging to is coming from but there’s many instances in elisaintime videos that address this topic and she did so very kindly and level headedly when she responded back to you here. You obviously have not watched anything of hers

but I’ll say what everyone is thinking seeing this back and forth today (and as someone rarely on this app I can’t believe I had to see this when I came here to just vibe). you seem to be incredibly jealous of elisaintime. and before you retort there’s no way you could POSSIBLY be jealous, yes you are. dig deep in there and admit to yourself, you don’t have to admit it to anyone else but yourself so you can deal with your own emotions fully. These kind of delusional statements made on nothing but your opinion rather than facts (we have yet to see your receipts you supposedly have) is indicative of someone who is extremely insecure and quite honestly just plainly put a bully because you can’t have what you want. yep you are a bully what people in this fandom hate. You aren’t stopping any racism or making the poc community any more safe by instigating fights and making claims that have no basis for fact. It degrades the works the fandom has done to point out the problems and actually sweep out the real racists. 

now away from that garbage fire and onto the other issue. AMC needs to be held responsible if you really thinking they are only inviting white people (that wouldn’t be elisaintime fault it would be solely on amc). But I doubt you actually believe what you’re saying here because if you did the easiest way to hold a company responsible is unengaging with them. Sure send them emails about their problematic racism instead of emails that honestly makes you look like some unhinged mega fan just starting tumblr drama. make them realize that the fandom holds power and don’t support that and they will lose engagement and money real fast and clean up their act and apologize. Simple. But again you aren’t going to do that because you don’t actually believe what you’re saying. Boycotting has worked wonders to get a message out by the people in the past for many things currently happening in the world. But I doubt you actually care enough to boycott amc right now because that means your show would suffer.

The real issue is this. You hate the idea of someone who might even remotely dislikes or criticizes the show getting something you didn’t get. we are all thinking it. Jealousy is normal response but it’s how you react to it that lets people know how you really are. It is not a good look for you or show fans or pocs. You are afraid of one influencers opinion that isn’t raving is going to hurt ratings. Reality check any publicity is good publicity that’s showbiz which seems like you greatly misunderstand. A variety of reviews makes things realistic. things aren’t black and white good or bad you love or you hate there’s middle ground. the show will be okay you don’t have to defend it like this in such a brash and rude way that has nothing to stand on except your opinion of some YouTube influencer. If you really think your thing is any good then it doesn’t have to be protected and sheltered.

I have so many things to say but I think that’s plenty for you to stomach. I would rarely do this, but I was so shocked to see the spite that I had to write something. wishing you the best, truly. Please get some therapy.

okay do u feel better now lol

[colognedecigarette]

ugh. okay. i've ranted about this in my journal less than five minutes ago but apparently my thirst to fucking yell at the clouds won't be satiated until i've put it somewhere public.

look. i love Seo Soojin and think her removal from the group was as unfair as the next stan, but the way people talk about the conclusion of the case really drives me mad. i see a lot of "she was proven innocent by her lawyer" and a lot more of "it was a false accusation" but going by the last statement from her attorney that i read, i feel like there's a lot more going on than that.

first thing's first, i don't know how it is in different countries or different justice system, but as far as am aware "proving" anything isn't a lawyer's job. first and foremost their job is to represent their client; specifically in cases such as Soojin's, it's to represent their client through a legal dispute/investigation. if there's anything related to "proofs" to their job, then that would be to collect evidences and statements. but to determine whether someone is innocent or guilty isn't within their rights.

her lawyer can't "prove" her innocence. all they could do was to collect and present the evidences that may -- hopefully -- get her an innocent verdict, but that verdict wasn't theirs to make.

now with that said, again, going by the last statement released that i read last year, i'd say Soojin's lawyer did a pretty good job collecting those evidences that may point towards her innocence. from what i remember:

they had statement(s) from the school staff as witness claiming that there were no records of the bullying Soojin was accused of;

the only record of bullying related to Soojin that they had instead pointed at her as the victim, not the bully; and

when questioned about it, the accuser/her team failed to present any evidence to support their claim of Soojin bullying her that wasn't simply hearsay (i.e. she said/she said situation)

also included in the statement though more like a quote, the accuser had also apparently admitted that "she wasn't sure (anymore)" whether Soojin really was part of the group that she'd claimed to have bullied her or not.

so all of these do point towards the conclusion that Soojin didn't do what the accuser said she did. at the very least, it opened the door for further investigation of the claim and, therefore, the case. at this point, based on the statement, Soojin's team had successfully submitted their own evidence to counter the accuser's claim to the police, while the accuser's team had not.

the proper course of action after this was supposed to be for the police to: 1) investigate the evidence submitted by Soojin/her team to determine its truth and 2) press the accuser/her team to finally submit their evidence to backup their claim as well as counter Soojin's. in my country, to my knowledge at least, if the accuser fails to fulfil point no.2 while point no.1 leads to a definitive yes, then the case would be dropped as false allegations and that opens the door for a counter-suit under defamation.

but, quoted in the statement, a member of the force instead claimed that there was not enough leads/evidence to investigate the case further. it was treated as though both parties failed to submit evidence to support their positions and claims, when as stated: Soojin did not fail, the accuser did.

it's hard not to look at all of this with at least a little bit of a side-eye. the case didn't seem like it was dropped because there was simply not enough going ons to continue pursuing it, it instead seemed like it was dropped because thus far at that point, Soojin may come out on top.

the case was not dropped because she was legally proven to be innocent, but because the evidence gathered favoured towards her innocence and the cops were not interested in pursuing that.

the more that i think about the inconclusive conclusion of the case, the more i can only think of one word. it's what people in my country call kongkalikong; the whole tail end of this case just stinks of corruption. this isn't "just" a false allegation. it feels far more insidious than that.

so ... no, Soojin's lawyers didn't "prove" that she was innocent, they just gathered and presented the evidence that could have cleared her of the accusations had the justice system worked properly. and, no, it wasn't a "false allegation" legally because the people who were supposed to investigate and determine that were not interested in doing their job.

in conclusion: the whole case is mad fucked. its ""conclusion"" even more so. if you're going to talk about it, don't just talk about the lawyers and the accuser. there's a whole third, maybe even fourth party, that you're forgetting to include.

[brendonuriegotcancelled]

Zack Cloud Hall Part 3

The Allegations:

TW: SH, SA, Emotional Manipulation, Mentions of P*dophilia, Relapse, Alcoholism

Breezy Weekes

Dallon Weekes’ Wife

For some back story, Dallon Weekes was hired as a bass player for Panic! at the Disco in 2010 and was found by the label for the band. Dallon showed up to his audition for the band without knowing any of Panic!’s songs. This didn’t seem to matter, because he only played bass for a little while and spent the rest of his audition watching YouTube videos with Brendon. You can find Dallon talking about it here. He also stated on Twitter: 

“Panic management sent me 3 songs to learn. I did. Went to the audition, & found out their people were supposed to have sent me 15 songs. They didn’t. I got the job anyway and learned the rest that night on my own. Went back the next day to rehearse the rest”. 

Dallon became an official member in 2011 and helped write the 2013 album ‘Too Weird To Live Too Rare to Die’ I WILL be doing a writing credit section in the master list so I won’t get into that right now. 

Dallon was removed as an official member after Spencer Smith's Departure. In 2015 all official members were removed except vocalist Brendon Urie. The following band members would only be touring musicians with no creative input. This is another thing I will get into during the credit portion of my master list. Dallon was in Panic! at the Disco from 2010-2018.

In July of 2020, Dallon Weekes answered a q&a on Instagram about Zack. This would not be the first time he did this.

Over the years after his departure, he would infer bullying and overall damaging behavior towards him in his previous workplace.

Dallon would explain that his time in Panic! was not something he wanted to be known for in several articles after he took leave. He believed that he was treated unfairly (which I will get into during the portion on his wife and him) while simultaneously contradicting himself and saying that Panic! was a huge part of his life and he was grateful for the time he spent with the band. The statements were always clearly polarizing and would consistently conflict with each other. Many of his tweets were passive-aggressive and nonspecific so they couldn’t be confirmed.

Back to the allegations

Dallon’s response about Zack being “The Worst” did what it was intended to do and sparked talk online between fans of his new band and fans of Panic! 

One girl claimed she was uncomfortable with being called “Boob” Girl by Zack during a conversation at a show.

In response to this, Breezy Weekes spoke up:

She recounts a time when Dallon first started with the band and inappropriate behavior exhibited by Zack Hall. She then continues to argue with fans on Twitter about why she took the approach to air things out publicly. She was claiming 8 years of harassment from Zack and proceeded to tell everyone how horrific it was for her that she had to go to therapy. 

My thoughts on this. I get that maybe you wouldn’t have your partner leave a job that was putting food on the table, however, if what she suffered was as horrible as she claims I would personally have asked my partner to leave. If Dallon was aware of it, I can’t really understand why he would stay with the band? I assume one would leave out of respect for their partner’s comfort. I know that shouldn’t be how things go and that harassment is a huge issue in a lot of workplaces...I also understand that the music industry doesn’t really have an HR department. But if the attempts at getting things solved didn’t work out...wouldn’t you just leave? I’m sure what she is saying has truth and am in no way trying to victim shame here, but she is saying over 8 years that they took all the specific steps in an attempt to get the harassment to stop. I just don’t understand how “nothing” could have been done.. and why if nothing was done they chose to stay in that environment for the money? I know some will say “it’s not their responsibility to make sure they had a safe workplace” well no it wasn’t … and if there were actual legal harassment claims it would have been dealt with internally. It logically and legally makes no sense.

The second screenshot is an iMessage conversation between her and Zack where he sent a photo of his lock screen in 2015 and it was a photo of her from her Instagram with her face partially cropped out. She replies “I see the face isn’t important” I don’t really know what this is evidence of...to be completely honest with you. He took a public photo from her Instagram and made an inappropriate joke. I don’t think that really classifies as behavior worth the extreme backlash that came. Is it gross? yeah...but it’s not exactly horrific. If anything the movie story was GROSS.

Breezy posted her tweet on July 26th, 2020. A mere 10 days later on August 5th, 2020, Dallon’s band, ‘I Don’t Know How But They Found Me’ released a lyric video for their single ‘Leave Me Alone and announced the release of their upcoming album after MONTHS of no word. Again this happened exactly 10 days after his wife started internet drama with the Panic! at the Disco fanbase. 

While this was happening the backlash towards Brendon Urie, Mike Naran, Zack Hall, Nicole Row, Kala Macdonald, Sarah Urie, Kala’s DOGS Instagram page...iDK fans, and former Panic! fans were out for blood....demanding that Brendon #firezackcloudhall. Breezy’s mother Diane is liking tweets about firing Zack, including tweets incorrectly calling him & Brendon both pedophiles. 

Breezy your mother is a Real Estate Agent she knows how to work a Twitter Account.

People were emailing Kala’s professional website, telling her that her husband was a piece of shit and that she should divorce him, badgering Scott Nagelberg (Brendon’s Manager), Tony Marino (Tour Manager), and anyone involved in Crush Music to ADDRESS the issues with Zack Hall. 

There is something I want to make incredibly clear...THIS was never okay...and SILENCE is not complacency. I don’t know who came up with the idea of okay, let’s make sure everything is dealt with publicly. People need time to PROCESS damaging information. We are human beings...

This went on for weeks...months even...the uproar of fans all the way to September and October of 2020 was absolutely staggering, meanwhile, Breezy was still talking to and arguing with fans on Twitter & Instagram DMs.

When the allegations against Zack were not addressed quick enough...allegations began to surface about Brendon.

How convenient.

This will be talked about in his portion and were completely false.

Breezy and Dallon refused to stop the astronomical hate bandwagon towards Brendon even though he wasn’t the one that hurt them...and it was stated several times that their issue was not with Brendon. Granted, it is not their responsibility I guess... but the fact that she didn’t have enough empathy towards Brendon or anyone else that was being dragged through this who weren’t involved, to take 3 seconds and write one tweet “Hey stop the hate and don’t be bothering Nicole, Kala, etc...” she would later say “Why aren’t they standing up for one another he has this huge team of people” the lack of compassion is astounding.

Here is a conversation between Breezy and a fan inquiring why this wasn’t dealt with in private as it was causing so much havoc and pain on the fans, friends, and family members of those involved.

What a peach.

Breezy (while messaging with another fan) admitted that she would only accept a public apology from Zack; which to me seems more like she wanted an admission of guilt than she wanted closure for anything she suffered.

Okay...really...I don’t think it’s the time or place to have a heavy conversation like that while working. Reading & Leeds was a work environment where Zack had to be on constant alert as a security guard. Not the time or place.

Breezy states here that she doesn’t mind their conversation being shared if it has a good intention behind it and that we all don’t know “the big picture” well of course we don’t, we weren’t there. 

There is a large amount of manipulation in this paragraph. I’ll start from the top.

She tells the fan that hopefully her friends aren’t the ones spreading rumors about them. She talks about the info being shared for nefarious reasons and that she doesn’t mind if it’s shared if it makes her look good. She has the expectation that anything said about her should only be painted in a good light. This is her trying to control the narrative. She has the unreasonable expectation of not being questioned at all when she was having bizarre conversations with fans afterward. The narrative must always make her be viewed favorably.

She then goes on to say that “you would think that most in their right mind would believe the victim without question” which is her essentially saying that nobody should question what she is saying as the truth & that if they question her, they are a horrible person. This idea is harmful in general, I think people should use critical thinking based on facts and what has been logically presented to them, not what has been presented to them AS TRUTH. However, I should point out that this is her truth, which doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the entire truth. I am a believer in the truth being somewhere in the middle. Take that for what you will.

She then proceeded to talk about how many stories she was getting about Zack. I think I saw maybe 4-5 stories that couldn’t be verified so I am unsure of the blow-up. I think Zack made comments, I think he was an asshole for a very long time and I think a lot of that can be explained (not excused) in the first 2 sections of this. On the internet, it doesn’t have to be verified, apparently. Which is a strange and damaging thing to many people in the public eye right now. People lie, people harass, people assault...the issue is that women being assaulted or harassed is so common that they’re even believed if they’re not telling the truth.

  EI: Amber Heard, False Allegations Brief

I am not saying Breezy is lying, I’m not saying anyone is...but I will say that the false allegations against people (Specifically people in the public eye) have been pushing celebrities off the internet. Search any person and “allegations” I am sure you will find them. Sometimes it’s done for attention, sometimes it’s admitted that they have lied because they don’t like that person. The unfortunate part is that there are SO many false allegations that every single allegation made has been accompanied by concerned citizens and fans questioning their validity, which perpetuates hate against critical thinking and those who question any allegation. Always believe the victim was an incredible movement...it was detrimental to the mental health and emotional release of actual victims. It is people who lie or embellish stories that have once again made it harder for real victims to be heard.

Ian Crawford (Former Guitar player) did end up corroborating Zack’s incredibly harmful behavior, He shared a link to his new music after his initial statement and was questioned about the motive there. He later apologized and retracted his statement saying he had been suffering from a mental health crisis that lead him into a relapse. Again, I’m sure Zack was horrible to people, I think at one point if you’ve lived long enough there are times you look back and think, wow I was such an ASSHOLE. 

I want to reiterate that one of the best things that has happened to society in the last 5 years is the widespread acceptance of mental health issues and mindful thinking. I appreciate that people can see and use mental illness as a form of explanation and not an excuse for any kind of harmful behavior. And again, any mental illness I talk about is speculation, not a diagnosis.

In this screenshot, she talks about Zack’s now-wife Kala blocking her and appears to have no emotional empathy “Like, why would she block me????? and why aren’t HER friends helping her. I don’t even know this woman.” You don’t even know this woman but you would have to be stalking her page to know she even blocked you.

Kala has done nothing to her yet she continues to show that she has no regard for her mental health at all as another human being and proceeds to say that she knows Zack better than Kala does because she’s known him for longer.

What? I don’t even need to explain why this is ridiculous. You don’t know a person better based on the length of time. You know a person based on connection and emotional depth.

She then says that just because he got remarried doesn’t mean he’s changed.

Another point worth making is that she continues to change the narrative to herself when she is questioned about the backlash falling onto other people. It’s always a switched narrative...consistently to, but what about me? what about them not having compassion for me?

A few months after all of this started, Brendon took to Twitch to make a statement, he says that he was naive to believe that Zack’s behavior wouldn’t affect other people and that he is sorry for anyone who has had to experience it. He said that Zack would no longer be working in that position and that he would still be friends with him because he believes that people can change. (Yes, Brendon, they can)

 You can listen to the entire statement here. 

I can’t talk in length about this ...I mean, emotionally I cannot...this entire statement and hearing him read it was very heartbreaking for me and many other fans. Brendon attempted to come back to Twitch normally and was clearly uncomfortable. He hasn’t been seen much in the last couple of years and has been rumored working on P!ATD7. However, just a week ago he was spotted at Disneyland.

Thank you for reading the very lengthy finale of Zack’s Portion. This has taken a lot of research and time. Again, there are many many other things I feel like I could have put in here but I wanted to paint a larger picture of Breezy’s questionable behavior.

Breezy, if you read this: I know it is highly unlikely that you will accept this as a fair analysis, which is what you’ve continued to do to anyone who has questioned you. You should take this time to think about how your actions affect others and move on with your life.

…maybe get your husband to stop dropping Brendon’s name at shows to incite hatred.

Thanks,

A concerned Panic! Fan.