#sotm puppet Roxy

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SOTM Puppet Foxy and the crew photos

Credit to: ☕️Mr. DaBois Official☕️ YT on sketchfab for porting these models! I decided to take pics of the rest of the characters (also apologies for doing these 1 character at a time, for some reason it’s not letting me put more than 10 pictures)

Also Renard has no eyes, he has the bottom of eyeholes but no upper face or rest of eyeholes.

[blood-and-pizza]

FINALLY finished watching Dawko's entire playthrough, so here come the screenshots! (SPOILERS GALORE, COMPLETELY OUT OF ORDER)

So... his name isn't Music Man, or Maestro Man, or even Musicbox Man. His name... is Big Top. I was waaaaaaaaaaay off.

This happy birthday poster of that weird dog character Edwin made. The art style is reminiscent of Hanna-Barbera cartoons; he looks like Doggy Daddy!

Yes, Edwin Murray made Candy Cadet. Holy crap, that robot is HELLA old! He's older than Freddy Fazbear!! And yet he still outlived William Afton. I fucking love Candy Cadet.

Captain Springlock, a springlock animatronic suit character. Guess who's in his crew?

Foxy the Pirate! Apparently, I was wrong about Roxy pre-dating him. They're the same age! He's called Puppet Foxy here. Foxy is Captain Springlock's first mate. They have a bunch of other puppets as crew members, including Kit the fox kit, Bawson the Badger, Renard the cook, and Puppet Roxy.

Just a random character. This is the most depressed caterpillar I have ever seen. Is he sad because he'll never be a butterfly?

The Clean-O-Vac! Gosh, it's adorable!!

David's ball. The one that got him killed. He got it as a present for his second birthday.

A cut-out of Deadeye Roxy! I LOVE HER.

A ticket book for Fall Fest.

A Lally's Lollies poster, plus a closeup that shows Fazbear Entertainment has a food brand! Fazbear Foods. How scary...

Mrs. Helpful, who is voiced by Fiona Murray. Apparently, she says "Have a wonder-iffic day" as a catchphrase. This has to be where "Have a Faz-eriffic day" came from. GROSS! Fazbear Entertainment ruined something wholesome, like always.

A poster for Fredbear's Singin' Show, and a record of music from that show.

This is the operating system for the computer terminals in the manor. H.E.L.P.E.R. is short for "Human Education and Language Protocol Element Router".

Jest cereal and its mascot. Apparently the prizes inside were made by Edwin himself... too bad all of his inventions are faulty as hell. Apparently, one customer complained because a hand buzzer paralyzed their dog. Ouch...

I've hit my image limit, so another post is coming.

[sparkel-dog]

Was incredibly charmed by this scene <3 all ive ever wanted in a fnaf game to be able to watch actual shows

(also not done with the rest of the game yet, please dont comment any spoilers besides this scene!)

Close ups below the cut

[enby--ghost]

SOTM Spoilers below the cut

I love that pretty much every single thing Edwin built got hijacked by Fazbear Ent., It's so on brand for them

I also like that can you see what they changed to have plausible deniability. The Clean-O-Vacc became Wet Floor Bots, Mr. Helpful becomes Helpy, Monty went from a cartoonish country guy to a jug band player turned rockstar, Roxy went from a gun slinger to a racer, Jackie clearly inspired The Puppet

It's all those little things showing just how shitty they are as a company

[warning-heckboop]

The whole time I was looking at Puppet Roxy with two eye patches thinking that it was just a silly little pirate joke and ONLY NOW did I realize it's meant to be a nod to the fact that Roxy loses both her eyes in Security Breach

[glitch-in-the-code]

PUPPET MENTION!!!! and I guess alt. Fazbear designs as well

[mangos-bite]

WAIT WHERE IN SOTM DOES IT SAY THAT ABOUT THE DAYCARE ATTENDANT AND ROXY

I'll be honest, the Roxy thing is just something I've heard around (that the subtitles refer to Puppet Roxy specifically with he/him even if the art of her as a cowgirl is probably female) but here's the screenshot showing an older version of Sun being referred to as a 'woman'!

And its made clear throughout the game Sun is meant to be a metaphor for Fiona Murray while Moon is based on her husband Edwin (they're not literally possessed, just inspired by them) so Sun x Moon is also arguably canon. Love wins

[digitalglitch]

Arnold! Loved playing through SoTM! So here's my first big drawing for the game! Tried not to put too many spoilers for now while people are still finishing the game! I went specifically with designing Arnold, Puppet Roxy and the unnamed disco poodle! I'm so excited for my second drawing, but it might take a bit longer!

[wilhelmina-afton]

Trying to piece together what exactly William did in SOTM which furthered the collapse of the MCM, and how many others were involved.

courtesy spoiler warning.

I made a whole post about how it irks me that people assume right off the bat that William stole everything off Edwin's blueprints and nothing the man created was original.

Firstly, in canon, it has long since been upheld that Henry and William designed Fredbear and Spring Bonnie, and later still the main animatronics (Freddy and Bonnie, example, based of the original two). Second, at the very opening of the game, it's also stated that Edwin signed a contract when he took on projects for Fazbear Ent that anything he made for them was the company's legal property - though most people will reasonably take said statement with a grain of salt, because it is Fazbear making it.

At no point in the game is it implied or stated that Edwin created the original raw blueprints for the endoskeletons, the springlocks, or even the animatronics (Fredbear, Spring Bonnie, Bonnie, etc). That's an assumption most people make seeing the springlock suits, and later the fazbear animatronics in the lower levels of the facility.

However, from the very beginning of the game, it is stated emphatically that everything in the Costume Manor was up to be leased or sold. Additionally, we know that Fazbear Ent had long since been outright buying characters from MCM, requesting manufacturing of both endos and costumes, as prototypes of the characters are found in the lower level.

For one, Chica, whose costume was designed by Fiona while she was still alive and well prior to Edwin's descent into his work as coping mechanism, was a commissioned character and sold to an unspecified buyer and was fairly popular - i.e. the right to her character belongs with whoever had her design comissioned (my best guess being that was still Fazbear Ent. They may have established Chica's Party World beings it's own location until it was subsumed under Freddy's later larger popularity - Foxy, also, was likely a character purchased by Fazbear Ent. We see puppets of him, plus Roxy, as part of a larger cast in the theater showroom.).

The MCM, and Edwin Murray by extension, was an animatronic and mascot manufacturer.

I have no doubt that Edwin likely did have the blueprints for the endos and springlocks, improved on said blueprints and made offers of alteration to Henry and William, and in fact made blueprints for his own original designs (ex: Mimic is his original creation, even if the endoskeleton is not), but at no point does it claim he created them, created them on his own - or that Fazbear Ent stole the concept.

My personal theory is that Henry and William still created the original characters (At the very least, the bear and bunny) and the engineering that went into them (Springlocks, endos), and then worked with Edwin to smooth out all the features and for a second opinion (Edwin very well could have improved upon the endoskeleton and springlock designs - case in point, Mimic), and he manufactured robots for them after (cheaper than producing them themselves).

It cheapens all three of their characters -> Edwin, William, and Henry's -> to assume that all feats of engineering were stolen from Edwin alone, or that Edwin alone created everything in the franchise (and also would be a major retcon from the rest of the series).

However, it is matter-of-fact that William bribed and cooerced workers to defect from the MCM by offering high-up managerial positions at new Fazbear locations in exchange for them collecting Edwin's blueprints and so on.

I have no arguments with the fact that he definitely exploited Edwin later on.

That raises the question of what William had the defecting employees actually stealing if Fazbear's already owned rights to several characters, were purchasing more, and even later bought the land the MCM was built on. My best guess is Mimic designs, as one of the data logs in his office is him wondering who leaked M2's existence, or unfinished/updated blueprints he hadn't sent over yet, and other potential characters that hadn't already been bought up.

(Note: I see it repeatedly mentioned that William stole Edwin's house after he died, so I have this to say in response. William did not buy the Murray Mansion outright, and it's unlikely he moved in or built his house on top of it. He explicitly states in an email that it still belongs to Edwin, even following William's purchase of the land it/the factory is on, and he even offers the position of Lead Engineer to the Edwin as part of Fazbears. Which is still so damn underhanded, considering that William had a hand in the MCM downfall as much as Edwin himself did.

Additionally, we have seen William's Afton's house in the past - the cutscenes in Fnaf 4 and SL. They had a fair amount of neighbors nearby, which would not make sense if William rebuilt his home atop the hill where Murray mansion stood alone, and the Afton househould as we saw in game was far smaller than the Murray Mansion was).

Also, William is not the sole face of Fazbear Entertainment. There are presumably multiple other people, including Henry, who Edwin mentions at least once - whether he was a worker at the MCM who defected or was a mutual friend of Will and Edwin - who would found the company. Additionally, William isn't the only man running the company - again, Henry and various unknown other persons would go into that.

While there's no doubt William was an advocate for gaining the MCM's work by any means necessary, as he was the one sending emails to the workers and Edwin himself, other people would have been involved.

[whencartoonsruletheworld]

absolutly hate some of the implacations sotm is giving us for every other game in retrospective but talesgames is dead so peak 🎉 🎉

From my perspective, not much has changed? spoilers under cut

We know MCM built a bunch of costumes for them but we have no clarification on whether the characters were MCM-original or commissioned. The fact we do not use the rabbit or bear in the secret ending implies that those two are original to Fazbear at the very least. We know that Chica and Foxy were designed by Fiona but we didn't have much info on their creation anyway. We know that Chica had her own 50s diner prior to the story which is fun, and that the costume the Mimic wore was "different from Fiona's designs" (according to the Mail) so it sounds like her og design was closer to the restaurant version. Foxy had a whole pirate crew who all got cut in the MCM/FE divorce, except for Roxy who rose from the dead 50 years later to race cars and adopt Cassie. Fiona probably also designed the Puppet as we see "puppet designs" are unavailable to us in the True Ending and she was previously a puppetteer.

The unsigned mail of someone saying they're fleeing the company with "Fiona's sketches" is probably from Henry. We have that mail of William trying to poach employees, Edwin saying that their "friends" are leaving along with their employees, and the fact that Edwin is on a nickname-basis with Henry. It seems like Henry worked for MCM and was close with the Murrays, but after Edwin started going crazy, William poached him and he took Fiona's sketches as well as his own.

Personally, I think that Henry worked on the animatronic endoskeletons and robotics– which works with his Silver Eyes characterization. And Freddy and Bonnie are still Fazbear Originals, which I think we'll learn more about in a future FallFest Game– now that we know Fiona died there, and we got pretty much nothing else about it in this game, we're def getting some kind of FallFest info much later on.

[foundmars]

SOTM DCA theory rant

Spoilers ahead!!

So we know we get apperences and references to the Daycare attendants origins, we find the original sun/moon tragedy masks going to the theatre, peepaw moon, the moon.exe, Sun as Fiona. but that begs the question…

Who made the DCA?

In security breach we see them less taken care of (very dirty compared to any animatronic in the game) they are anxiety ridden (sun), and originally theatre bots put in daycare. And with obvious exposed sensitive wiring, and in Ruin we see a Fazrench port on the back of their head that operates much like the Data Diver we see in Ruin.

I was previously assuming DCA fully existed during SOTM due to their older looking design  (that has a Data Diver port unlike any other animatronic and no Roxy doesn’t count because her mask is part of a casing with the same endo as everyone else) but that’s the thing, the DCA is one of a kind because there’s no other endo for them, if they break, they are gone for good because we know no one would take of them or otherwise no one is left to take care of them.

Now I think it was Fiona’s love creation. If Edwin’s project was the Mimic, Fiona’s was the Daycare Attendant. She made him out of love, not as someone to take care of David but to be his friend. We hear Sun say “new friend”, “friend” in the games. Even so, he was made to entertain and play games with little kids. 

We see Fiona’s hand at creation, she made the OG Chica and everyone loved her. I like to say maybe she tried her hand at Robotics to make something for David. The DCA mentions of Gregory wanted to do a puppet show, Fiona was a Puppetier. Her design is very childlike and friendly (Ik SB DCA is a little creepy but isn’t everything else in that warehouse) 

Maybe both Edwin and Fiona made the Storytime showroom for David, but closed down for either timing of deaths, or the damage that happened in there, but maybe it was a secret love project for David in their own way. They both loved to create. 

And we see that the Mimic was made to BE other characters when in other costumes. DCA is taught how to ACT not mimic while being themselves. 

How did Sun and Moon become separate ais? Just like in Moon.exe it’s two half’s becoming whole at the end, becoming Eclipse. One represents Edwin in their story and the other Fiona. 

I don’t think that specificity reflects them as a personality in DCA but we see characteristics of themselves put into this animatronic. 

I like to think Fiona created this as a surprise in the background for both David and Edwin. Maybe testing them at Fall Fest if we assume they were made and created at that time (help wanted 2 carousel) ALSO how do you not expect me to not assume DCA wasn’t created at that era if you put FALL FEST and DCA together where Fiona DIED at?

Anyways- those are my rambles

edit: I forgot to add a bit where the giant moon we seen fallen from the storytime showroom through the theatre and down to the moon maze to get David’s ball, it implies the giant moon was hanging. DCA has a little retractable hook to hang from the ceiling when he pleases (I don’t think we talk about that enough, no other animatronic has a unique ability like that to FLY) and not only that it’s an addition to their design. The hook part was always intended for them, it was fazbear that implemented it and used that aspect of them

[eclipsedcrystalstar]

SOTM SPOILERS

Trans Roxy is kinda real (in some sense)

The earliest iteration of Roxy is called by he/him pronouns by Edwin

We can tell this is Roxy because the puppet is used and speaks in the Foxy puppet show

Yet in the same game Roxy is shown in a different form, Deadeye Roxy

This Roxy looks nearly exactly like the SB Roxy (aside from the clothing and lack of makeup) and has prominent lips that doesn’t seem to be seen on male characters (though I can’t find any rips of other cutouts yet)

So the timeline seems to be: Roxy is made as a man in Foxy’s crew Roxy’s character is split off into Deadeye Roxy (Gender unknown, likely a woman) Deadeye Roxy’s design is mixed with Puppet Roxy’s design to create SB Roxy (woman)

So either Edwin or Faz Ent transed her gender

[scarletskye64]

So a friend and I watched SOTM today

Spoilers below along with my first thoughts.

In hopes of summarizing what I know is going to get out of hand very quickly.

This game dies after Jackie’s section.

Both me and my friend agreed Jackie was essentially the best part of the game, and it is horrible how Steel Wool actively does this with their poster villains. Yes you can say that ���Jackie was never the poster villain, the mimic was!”

Yes & No.

Jackie was the first costume/mascot/animatronic revealed for this game, she was all over the marketing, she was even built for Pax! Hell, she was even the main antagonist of the Pax Demo!

After an hour into the game, she NEVER appears again.

She suffers essentially what I like to call “The Dimitrescu Effect”, Lady Dimitrescu was basically the big ticket item for Resident Evil Village, the first villain revealed for it, she was the big focus of many trailers! Yet she came first and was rarely mentioned again. While yes that made sense for the game and was quite obvious she wasn't the main focus, it felt horrible to see her be over and done with basically a couple hours into a maybe 8-hour game.

So The Dimitrescu Effect is when a character gets marketed for the game to hell and back, but appears/is the focus for basically a short part of it.

I was extremely excited to see Jackie in the game but was thoroughly disappointed in how she was utilized, although a few horror characters suffer from this, what comes to mind right now is Catnap and Vanny. But if I talk about them that will dive down a deep AF rabbit hole

I was willing to excuse Jackie being a small part of the game initially as I could see it coming a mile away. But past the Big Top section, it all went downhill.

So my issues with the lore.

It sucks. To put it nicely. I could describe what I want to do to it but we’ll be here all night.

Early into the game I mentioned to my friend that Murray’s Costume Manor felt like what I imagined Afton Robotics to be like. And if MCM had been Afton Robotics, the game would’ve been…….. So much fucking better.

This game essentially ruins everything about the original series.

The springlocks? Edwin made those.

Monty & Roxy? Edwin made those!

Sun & Moon??? Edwin made those!!

FREDBEAR & SPRING BONNIE!? EDWIN MADE THOSE.

THE PUPPET!? okay well to my knowledge he didn't make that but he had the plans or idea for it.

THE ORIGINAL ANIMATRONICS!? MOTHER FUCKING EDWIN MURRAY MADE THOSE!!!!

my friend made an excellent point that Edwin Murray is the most Mary Sue character ever, everything was made by HIM!

I can't be alone in thinking, Afton has a big ego and probably liked taking credit for things. But this is a whole new and frankly horrendous level. In the game we find communications between MCM employees and Afton that reveal he stole basically everything from Murray and his employees. Essentially boiling Henry & William’s impacts to zilch.

The only good original thing left for William is he made the funtimes, and even then that's debatable now!

This game is just… bad.

I don't think FNAF is heading in a good direction unless Steel Wool take a very long look at what they’ve done to the lore and story.

Unless they start taking criticism and listening to fan feedback, FNAF… is in short… doomed. Truthfully it has been for a long time… part of me hopes there's no more games after this, but I know there will be. Just maybe, they’ll be good. But I doubt it.

Secret of The Mimic essentially killed all hope I have for this franchise moving forward.

I’ll like sing a somewhat different tune tomorrow as I'm probably riding the fumes of hatred for this game, but this is basically my first thoughts I guess…

[cl0wnzzie]

SOTM Spoilers + Thoughts

In short I think its better then Ruin when it comes to design, characters, and story (somewhat)

Speaking of story, I came into the game with fear that it was gonna confirm Tales-Games (Which they lucky didn’t except for introducing characters, which is fine. The Sliver Eyes trilogy did that for Henry & Charlie)

The reason why I don’t like the whole “Book Events=Games canon” for Fnaf is because how disconnected, surreal, vague the stories events can be (Exp: Frailty, Under Construction, B7s, and Stitch epilogues)

Which made it hard for non-readers to understand what the hell was happening because these books did so much stuff. At least for me.

It also didn’t help that these books introduced a lot of new characters instead of using any important characters from the games (like Micheal, Henry, or any of the Missing Children from 85’) but I’ll get back to one of them in second.

But back to SOTM, it looks fun and it doesn’t force it self to 100% serious like in Ruin.

I like the characters designs too, they aren’t ment to look like Fazbear’s Jointed animatronics, their suites with little outfits and I just find them neat. Also wish we hear more of Arnold thoughts on things (but then again he was probably tired)

Also think they added the Murray’s pretty well, Like I genuinely love Fionna (I don’t much in the books other then she wasn’t in the picture)

I like how Edwin was too, he not as standoffish as I thought he was gonna be, He sounds like a nice man who genuinely cares for everything he built & Fionna.

And David is David👍

(All I know he dies when 3 & was chill with the Mimic)

Speaking of which I like how now theres 2 mimics

From my understanding of the ending (Ai Fionna is part of the… I think 2nd Mimic and David’s Mimic is the one we see in ruin)

Idk the endings kinda confuses me, but hey I think they were fun.

Now my personal nick picks is how Henry is used (Spoilers he’s like mentioned twice in two separate mail letters) and my worries for future games and how they write for past important characters.

So SOTM confirms that Edwin made Mediocre Melodies, Roxy, Monty, Foxy, and Moon

While Fionna Designed (PW) Chica, which THANK YOU STEEL WOOL FOR MENTIONING “Chica’s Party world.”

But an another thing the game confirms that Edwin made the Springlocks and built the prototypes of Fredbear & SpringBonnie. Sooo~ What the hell is Game Henry doing??? And Why didn’t Scott just used Henry instead bring a new character with a semi-similar backstory???

Because Henry & his family are such under utilized characters in Fnaf, Especially with how interesting their storylines can be.

Like I argue that Henry should play a more important role then just “William’s business partner & Puppet’s dad” cause he was so much more than that in the Sliver Eyes and parts in Pizza Sim, he’s a morally grey (and I mean GREY) man, who was often focused with his projects (Fazbear’s, Bot Charlie, and Killing William) that he fails to see other people, and he’s doesn’t think twice for people like his employees or Micheal. Not because he enjoys hurting them, it’s because they get in the way in his projects.

While the people he is close (including William somewhat) He goes have guilt, he regrets not saving Charlie, he regrets not see his still living family, and he regrets ever letting William hurt his family and other family children. But, he still does questionable things to fix his mistakes. And I find that unique about him. But instead Scott add a new character that really just complicates the story of the games and makes other important characters just kind of useless in away. If that makes sense.

Overall it’s good I’m just worried for what gonna happen with Henry. (If they ever use him for anything…)

But at least they know he exists

[againstcrayon]

My controversial FNAF secret of the mimic opinion is that I think the story is fine, actually. I actually think it's good. However, I do not like how Roxy looks. At all. ESPECIALLY compared to Monty

post is kinda long + sotm spoilers below the cut

Monty and Roxy both have something in common that the other animatronics/mascot characters don't: they were introduced into the series as glamrock animatronics. Their first appearance was in Security Breach. Y'know, a game with a very, very specific setting. That doesn't apply to any of the other games. So if you put a security breach animatronic in any other game, they'd look out of place, right?

They understood this with Monty. These are, canonically, both Monty Gator. But really all that stays the same is the species, and the appearance looks vaguely inspired by him. And that's fine! It works! But with roxy...

That's, the same character? But just in a different outfit? Sotm is set in 1979. Security breach is set around 2029. It's been FIFTY YEARS. WHY HAS SHE NOT CHANGED IN 50 YEARS. I think my biggest gripe is the green hair streak? Why did they think she needed that for continuity....when they changed Monty completely. I'm beyond confused, honestly.

She just looks so out of place in the games setting since they basically ripped her security breach design and slapped a brown overlay on it. Puppet Roxy exists, I guess?

She looks a lot more in place. Puppet Roxy is like Jugband Monty, I think. But it just shows up once. And Deadeye Roxy shows up twice, technically speaking (with the hat item you can pick up) so is Deadeye Roxy more arguably canon? Whatever. I don't even know what I'm talking about. I'm losing the plot

Conclusion: why does Roxy look like that

[hall0wedwyrm]

okay guys you know what time it is

Spoilers for Secret of the Mimic - specifically the Recording Tapes

So i've seen this going around, and i thought i should give my opinion to it too

Yes; William screwed over Edwin and Yes he took basically everything from him

BUT Henry also had to be somewhat okay with this.

I think as a fandom, we sort of put Henry on a pedastal that he is the good compared to William's evil, but this really just isn't the case. He has all the same downfalls as Edwin tbh (drowning in work and trying to find a 'solution' to being a single parent by making a machine to look after your child. yeah mhm.)

Henry, being potentially one of the ceos or a high up in the company (if we go under the assumption that William is also a CEO (which Dawko suggested and i like a lot)), he would have had to okay'd a lot of the stuff going on, such as hiring people from MCM and giving them raises if they encouraged others to leave too.

ESPECIALLY if William took TWO of Edwin's designs (presuming he made Foxy himself and the information that Fiona made Chica's original first design), AND the entire design for the Pizzeria they were making. If Henry didn't agree with any of it, they would have never made the pizzeria. He had to agree with William for this.

(like yeah sure he could be uncomfortable or unhappy with it, but he STILL AGREED no matter what)

also I think i should say this here;

William and Henry made Freddy and Bonnie. Those two are theirs. Edwin was either not involved in their updated designs (from spring/golden to their standard designs) or he was only shown the idea of what they could be so he could build them. William/Faz Ent took Foxy and either earned the rights to Chica or later took her as part of their generally sweep of Edwin's property, or because... they wanted Chica idk.

Faz Ent took AT LEAST:

Edwin's designs for Foxy/Fiona's designs for Chica

Everything they commissioned from MCM (the pizzeria)

Edwin's version of the Springlocks, but whether they were used or not remains a mystery (< i think William got trapped in the original Spring Bonnie suit, and then there was a second that had the 'improved' springlocks aka the one we see in SOTM)

i say 'used or not' because the springlocks were pretty swiftly discontinued, so i dont really know if the new version would have been properly implimented or not (i think... probably they would have? and then one single failure caused them to be discontinued asap)

unfinished designs for future animatronics (theres a computer that has a file for the puppet design, and later taking and reusing Roxy and Monty in the Pizzaplex)

anyway awesome game i liked it a lot one of the best fnaf games in recent years tied with Into the Pit. i dunno if its my new favourite? but i like Edwin,,, and Fiona,,,,,,