#spn 12.21

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Dean Winchester Birthday Week - Day 2 - Favorite Action Moment.

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12.21 There's Something About Mary

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mm

[archivistsammy]

stackednatural, may 11

7.22 “there will be blood” // 11.21 “all in the family” // 12.21 “there’s something about mary”

[sensitivehandsomeactionman]

[foxthefanboi]

12x21 - There’s Something About Mary

Sam reads Eileen’s letter

[mittensmorgul]

Quick question going back to season 10: The woman who wrote The Book of the Damned, Agnes, had "visions of darkness" to write the book, including the spell that broke the MoC. I'm just wondering, where do you think those visions came from? Chuck wouldn't have supplied them, cuz he didn't want Amara getting free, right? So how did those visions get to Agnes?

Hi there! I’ll start by saying that the show has never come right out and said “this is how that happened, specifically.” So it’s up to us to put things together in a way that pleases us best, and meshes with the rest of canon. But this is not the first time this sort of mechanism has factored into the plot.

The way the story is constructed, and the way Dabb especially has been playing with all of canon during his era, has emphasized the relationship between every level of the story mirroring itself. The eternal spiral of the narrative, where each loop of the story itself gathers up themes and problems of the past, but also in-story, underscored by Gabriel in 5.08-- as above, so below.

I don’t know if it’s as much a matter of “Chuck didn’t want Amara to be freed,” but the very construct of the universe relies on this fact that the mundane had mirrored the cosmic, until two brothers and an angel said screw you to the cosmic order and tore up the pages. Ever since then, TFW has been wrenching the universe back around on itself, and every level of the story is now reflecting that. But it goes back even further than that...

I mean, in the original story, mirroring his own personal narrative of locking up Amara, Chuck locked away Lucifer with the Mark, knowing that one day he would be freed, and the Apocalypse would play out as he constructed it to do so. The nature of his own story sort of requires then that Amara would eventually be released, too, you see? And this “locking away” and eventual release is built into every level of Chuck’s narrative.

SAM If there's a key...then there has to be a lock. And when we find the lock, we can get the weapons, and then we can have the weapons. And the lock. We'll still have the lock, I imagine, because we've opened it, and, of course, the initial key.DEAN We need to get all three of that crap.

Okay, back to actual meta here. :’D

I mean, just going back to 4.22, when we saw Azazel murder all the nuns at the Ilchester convent, because that was apparently a place where the Cage was “closer to the surface” and with his sacrifice and spell he was able to communicate with Lucifer in the Cage. It was similarly implied that the nun who created the Book of the Damned carried on a similar communication with some force of Darkness-- be it with The Darkness or with Lucifer or with some other force connected to Amara where she was imprisoned, I’m not sure it’s entirely relevant. None of those theories contradict what we know of canon to this point.

So in the same way that Azazel was able to contact Lucifer, that nun contacted the Darkness or an agent of the Darkness. The very way that Chuck imprisoned Amara having a direct link to Lucifer via the Mark, and the fact that he imprisoned Lucifer in the same way connects their fates. As below, so above.

Whether Chuck “wanted” her free or not, His Story is the story of the entire universe, on every level, and so it must always have played out this way, regardless of what Chuck actually wished for, you know? He’s not all powerful, and he still must abide by his own “rules,” even if he’s the one who made all the rules.

Think about what happened when he was shot with the Hammurabi gun. He wasn’t immune from its effects. He wasn’t able to heal it or exempt himself from the effects of it. He can make up new rules on a whim, but he’s still bound by the direct results of those rules being put into action. And his rulebook has begun to break down now.

Lol, remember in 12.21 how we all collectively rolled our eyes nearly out of our heads over the whole “reversing the polarity” of Crowley’s spell controlling Lucifer? We all wondered what the point of that entire arc was? Well, jokes on us all, honestly, because Dabb has basically pulled that maneuver on Chuck himself...

Drexel: The device, it's cemented directly into your DNA and that of the King's. As it's powering down in you, the polarity is somehow reversing.

and even now, this is literally become the method of Chuck’s undoing...

Castiel: Why would God write the blueprint to His own death?Billie: He didn't. The books write themselves. After God made the world, He couldn't stop. He wanted more. But He needed to create a perfect harmony -- a Swiss watch so that this world could keep tick-tick-ticking in His absence. He had no choice but to build Himself into the framework. It's His only weakness.

“He had no choice but to build Himself into the framework. It’s His only weakness.”

And this goes for all of this sort of thing, throughout canon. It’s not like this is what he WANTS to happen, but it’s literally built into the framework of the universe.

As above so below, and the polarity reversed the second Amara was released...

[actiongirlmary-archived]

aaahahhhh the red lighting bunker shootout scene from the clicky clicky amv YEEEEEESSSS I KNEW ITTTTTTTT

[supernaturalismydrug]

“If I am an angel, paint me with black wings.” - Anne Rice

SUPERNATURAL + ANGEL WINGS

[thayerkerbasy]

The E Street Band by @grey2510

Eileen's not entirely sure where she is, now that she's...dead. But is she really dead? She's made friends here, she has a job, and the place isn't so bad, even if no one wants to go to that store across the street. And besides, what if there's a way out of here? A way back home?

Tagging @spncoldesthits for reasons.

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12.21 There's Something About Mary

[supersupersupernatural666]

the sam winchester that exists in my head>>> whatever tf j*red is doing

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12.21 There’s Something About Mary

[sensitivehandsomeactionman]

“Ketch, calling to see if my mom’s with you...” | SPN 12x21 sneak peek

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@samanddeanunited they should have killed Claire and left Eileen alone.

[mittensmorgul]

Do you think Chuck made Sam and Eileen like each other? Are you sure? Because that is not exactly the truth. They had a legitimate attraction since s11, when they met. Chuck just manipulated the situation, using a spell and helping her to reach the bunker. He didn't need to do anything else. Chuck knew that the two of them together in the bunker would undoubtedly result in a romance. Because their attraction is real. Their feelings are real. Chuck didn't manipulated it.

*sighs heavily and then looks into the endless depths of your sunglasses and wonders why we’re still doing this three months on*

If you see it that way, more power to you, honestly. I wish I could. 

but also, and perhaps most importantly:

The fact that I am incapable of seeing it that way has no bearing on whether or not *you* see it that way.

Seriously. You are free to carry on with that cheerful and unproblematic view of events. Please feel free to continue to enjoy the ship as you see fit. You do not need the permission of randos typing on the internet to enjoy the show in whatever way pleases you best.

Here’s where I’m personally hitting a wall with it that nothing in canon has enabled *me personally* to climb over. To me, this isn’t something I can personally engage in a debate over, because everyone attempting to debate me on this point insists that the only satisfactory resolution to a conversation here is my unconditional acceptance of Sam and Eileen’s relationship as incontestably pure and free from the stain of Chuck’s influence. And I’m gonna put this next bit in its own paragraph, because I really, really need people to understand this, because it’s not about *you* it’s about *me*:

Because of experiences in my own life, I am incapable of seeing it that way.

Please reread that last sentence, and really, really think about what I’m telling you here. And then reconsider this campaign to convince me that I’m somehow wrong here. If I’m wrong, if canon is headed toward a Sam and Eileen happy endgame scenario, that will play out on screen in a way that I won’t be able to deny, with both of them making choices out of their own free will, untainted by Chuck’s control going forward.

If you can truly see them as already romantic, then please consider yourself lucky. Understand that some of us do not have that luxury.

As to your other points, I have never said that Chuck “made Sam and Eileen like each other.” Of course Sam and Eileen liked each other before. That’s literally what I said in the post I made about this *yesterday*:

On the surface, it’s different because Sam and Eileen actually LIKED each other before, years in the past before her untimely death.

You can read that whole (long) post here, because pulling statements out of context doesn’t serve anyone:

https://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/190972379710/mad-as-a-box-of-frogs-mittensmorgul-i-just

But canon has also informed us that despite having LIKED each other when they met in 11.11, Eileen did not become a major part of Sam’s life until we saw her again in 12.17. That’s fanon. The assumption that when we did see her again, that she and Sam had been carrying on a year-long relationship offscreen. We WANTED it to be true, because how many times has Sam had someone in his life like that? But canon has told us that despite that initial chemistry, they had not had that sort of relationship. Between 11.11 and 12.17, Sam never once mentioned her. And within a few episodes of 11.11, watching in real time, most of us accepted the fact that she was-- as a hunter and a legacy MoL-- a potential future ally, but like every other one-off episode hunter, not someone who had become central to Sam’s story. The vast majority of us... accepted that and moved on.

There was a LOT of excitement over the potential for her return in 12.17, but with the power of hindsight, and s15 literally doubling down on the fact by literally making Eileen’s return a direct manipulation by Chuck for this exact purpose, when she died in 12.21 for Sam’s pain, we took our outrage at that ending for her and began writing fix-it fic, headcanoning that she couldn’t really be dead, and inventing a mythical romance between her and Sam filling in that entire year between the two times they’d actually interacted in canon. Because we were ANGRY. Rightfully so.

But canon has told us again that this did not happen. That wasn’t real.

Did they like each other? OF COURSE THEY DID!

Did they have the potential to have become a romantic couple? It really seemed possible back in 12.17, yes.

Did it actually happen that way? Canon says it did not. Sam himself repeatedly said it did not. That their relationship wasn’t like that. The fact that Eileen felt she had to leave after the events of 15.09 confirms it did not. If she knew for a fact that her feelings for Sam were real, if they’d established a romantic relationship before she died in 12.21 and therefore already had a solid foundation for their feelings for one another, she wouldn’t have felt conflicted about staying.

Look at it this way, and try to understand why--in addition to everything else I’ve written about s15, about Chuck’s manipulation, about the specific story he wants to unfold, about all the rest of what canon has been working through this season regarding Fate and Free Will and Chuck’s Will controlling the events of the story, how Chuck not only had Eileen stashed in Hell for two and a half years but then brought her back and arranged it so she was literally the only soul to escape hell to also escape Belphegor’s containment spell AND Rowena’s death spell, only to show up at the exact right moment after Chuck’s previous “lessons” to Sam and Dean had brought Sam to his lowest moment of hopelessness and tormented him with horrific visions only to give him a moment of reprieve, and then orchestrated the entirety of 15.06 specifically to give Sam yet another false sense of hope before ultimately breaking him in 15.09-- I can’t ignore these facts, or convince myself that they somehow don’t apply, or can be overlooked for the convenience of insisting that there aren’t any seriously complicating factors in this singular case.

Again, if you’re able to do that, seriously, please, consider yourself lucky. And maybe try to understand how the phrasing of your message feels like it’s doubling down on the gaslighting. 

I don’t know how many times I need to reiterate that I have zero objections to Sam and Eileen together as an endgame couple, but I can’t see them as already having established a romantic relationship. They literally had one kiss, and in context it was a “goodbye, but please know that I actually do like you, that part was real” on Sam’s part.

I mean... Dean canonically gave Jo a similar kiss in 5.10 right before she died. I don’t really see Sam and Eileen’s kiss any differently. I can’t. Because of ^^^ all of that. Dean and Jo’s kiss wasn’t the acknowledgement that they’d been carrying on a romance up to that point. It didn’t prove a canon romantic pairing here. It was a “if only this had happened differently, maybe we could’ve had a chance.” The difference here is that Eileen... is no longer dead. They do have a potential chance in the future, and I have never denied that. I have no idea what you believe you need to convince me of here, but until canon actually has Sam and Eileen express their desires and intents to pursue a romantic relationship in a way that isn’t inextricably tied to Chuck’s plot manipulations, I’m gonna stand on what I’ve already said. Please stop trying to convince me that Chuck’s manipulation isn’t very, very real. Because in my personal experience here, the manipulation is very, very real. Waaaaayyyyyyy too real for comfort.

And that is EXACTLY all the truth I need.