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kisaxiii · 19 days
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Spy x family is so good
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xxscarletxrosexx · 5 months
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A Linguistic Analysis of the Spelling Names "Ania" and "Anya" (and the chapter and languages of Ostania)
This includes spoilers from Short Mission 11, or Chapter 90.1
It's not a secret that Anya's (Ania) name change was officialized along with Loid (Lloyd) and Yor (Yoru/Yolanda) in July 2019. I do recall that our loveable Forger family had different spellings in the early manga releases. Many believed that it was Endo-san's way to cover up the spelling mistake, but I believe that, whether or not the origin and/or intention was a mistake, it paved a beautiful opportunity for a deep dive into linguistics and character analysis on Anya Forger.
First, I'd like to address my thoughts on "ANIA" as the spelling. Here are a few of my impressions on this:
"ANIA" could be perceived as her original spelling because wherever she came from used this spelling.
"ANIA" could just be her limitation as a child when it came to spelling her name.
"ANIA" could be an acronym from her lab that probably served the purpose of her existence.
"ANIA" could be the name of her mother/creator. And she was subjected to share the same name of her creator for "sourcing" purposes.
"ANIA" when applied to numerology number, reinforced her code name which is 007 (which is super meta to me, but probably is a coincidence because we all know 007 was Endo's way of referencing James Bond). S/O to @momentocollector for sharing this!
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Second, I'd like to address "ANIA" as an identity for our precious baby girl.
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"Ania" is the chosen spelling. This could possibly mean that this is her real name and how it should be spelled (You, as the owner of your name have every right to decide what your name should be, spelled, or pronounced after all).
"Ania" could possibly be an influence of either her mother-tongue language's spelling.
"Ania" could possibly be due to her limitation of spelling. (I don't think she is aware of how her name should be spelled.)
Recall that Yor carved out Anya's name as "Ania" and didn't question it. This could be a reflection of Yor's own lack of familiarity of Ostanian orthography since she is academically limited, and she would have listened to how Anya would have wanted her name to be spelled. Furthermore, this tells me that Yor's absence of questioning reflects that she accepts her daughter no matter who she is, be it "Ania" or "Anya".
Third, I'd like to address "ANYA" as her name's spelling.
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"A-N-Y-A" is the spelling that her papa gave her, which tells her that she can now be on the same playing field as her parents. Their names and titles are all "masks" in this masquerade that they call "Forger". So, to little Anya, it means that she finally belongs with someone. Anya has essentially found "her home".
We also know that Franky did do a lot of paperwork and found that "Anya" is the spelling that was written down on her adoption papers. This reinforces that "Anya" is the standard Ostanian orthography of her name.
I perceive Loid as a person replicating the "average Ostanian" (since this is a deep cover mission after all), so to also tell her that her name is spelled a certain way reinforces that she has a new identity as an "Ostanian child". (I find this quite ironically poetic because it's a "fake man" giving a "fake name" to his "fake daughter").
I also see that when Anya's eyes light up, it could also mean that this new identity in her spelling change meant she was finally liberated from her days as a lab experiment and living in an orphanage.
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Fourth, I'd like to address spelling etymology.
Since I'm not a Japanese linguist expert, I found @connoisseursdecomfort post to be quite educational when it came to Japanese spelling.
What we learn from the above post is that "Ania" is an acceptable name spelling in "Old Japanese". But as time progressed, the spelling changed to "Anya" which is the modern-day spelling of this name (this may tie into Anya's character lore).
We can track "i" becomes "y" in the evolution of the alphabet from Phoenician (c. 1000 BC) to Archaeic Greek (c. 750 BC). S/O to @rachellysebrook for this link. (Again, what this reinforces is Anya's background with an unidentified mother country/mother tongue language).
Another thing is that Yor Forger did not react to the spelling of "Ania". It could possibly be that she recognized Anya's limitation, given that her daughter already had poor scores since her admission.
We also learned that Yor, a real Ostanian, seems to be limited with Ostanian orthography which is most likely due to her dropping out of school to take care of Yuri (fake Ostanian /j). From her interaction with Anya, off-screen, it appears that Yor seems indifferent to spelling standards of names (Which is nice! She is subtly against society's norm and I love her for that). Had she been aware of the spelling, she would have been the one to ask instead of Loid. (But again, it must be Loid because it's poetic and has a much more meaningful interaction between "Loid" and "Anya").
Fifth, I'd like to address the name's (possible) impact on character purpose in the story.
"Anya" means mother in Hungarian (S/O to @httplovecraft1890. This inspired my thoughts on "Ania" as a name in the lab). Could this possibly be an inspiration or coincidence? It could be a stretch, but perhaps Anya's purpose in the lab is that she's a "mother weapon" for war.
"Ania" means "gracious" and "merciful" according to Google. Which makes me think that the lab scientists went with this name because it would represent her purpose as a weapon of war. Perhaps Ania becomes the "truth serum" and could be seen as the "angel of death" because she knows the war captor's thoughts and inevitably they are executed (a possible headcanon).
Sixth, I'd like to discuss the factors of the mysterious "unidentified language".
Anya did use "oui" in the anime when Loid had adopted her. This automatically made me think her possible origins could be French, but it could also take another step back in the language family: Romance. What makes this work is that we treat "Classical Language" as a dead language based on what we read/saw in the manga/anime like Latin. Anya has an innate potential to be bi-/multilingual.
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Bonus: Seventh, I'd like to talk about the languages in this anime (This is a bit of a ramble but since we're talking about linguistics, I thought why not)...
Based on the dialogues spoken in the anime, we can confirm that English exclamatory (Oh my God, Goddammit, Shit, Wow, Elegant, etc.) and the Japanese language are the main components of the Ostanian language. This is reinforced by many characters who have used English expressions (Loid, Yuri, Yor, Anya, Damian, Henderson, etc.)
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What does bug me is whether or not "oui", a French exclamatory, should be categorized as part of the Ostanian language or if that should be categorized for Anya's hidden lore. The reason is that when Loid/Twilight heard Anya say "oui" in front of him, he did not question it. (Perhaps he was too tired to process this, or he excused it as something Anya could have seen on TV and is merely mimicking. I really don't think Twilight would be the type to excuse this realization had he not had the aforementioned state of mind). I'm leaning more towards the latter as this is from Anya's mother tongue language.
In conclusion (or tldr;): "Ania" may be her real name, but "Anya" is her new identity as part of the Forgers.
If you read everything, thank you for your time! The linguist in me is so happy that Endo-san is steeping his foot into linguistic territory. As short as this chapter was, it said A LOT to me linguistically and provided more details to the scraps of lore that we know of Anya but it also tells us a bit more about Yor, Loid/Twilight, and Ostania.
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aurorarose2112 · 9 months
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Spy x Family Manga Ch86 Spoilers
He became her strength
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But she became his weakness
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nekoro-san · 4 months
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I did read the recent SxF chapter, I’m glad it’s mention Yuri again but seems like the plot didn’t want to 🥲 but interesting it’s focus on studying motivation.
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I don’t know if chapter 92 parallel to chapter 26 and 27. But the “study motivation” has been bringing up before. And Yuri has been trying to giving Anya study motivation (by explaining his past) from “knowledge is power” to “ knowledge is chihuahua”. And this parallel to grandpa want to earn more knowledge,too.
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Chapter 26/27 is my most favorite because Anya could not used her mind reading power and was using her actual efforts to passed her test without cheating. Although she didn’t get high scores, but this is the small 1st step for her development.
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Chapter 26 is the main reason I love Yuri character and actually change my mind about him. He has always introduced as antagonist before,but his study motivation is proving he’s not a bad person. Just sadly was brainwashed by government. ( I have been making a thread of why Yuri was brainwashed by government before )
And he did actually motivate Anya too.
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However just like Loid,Yuri also doesn’t know to have fun as a kid. Yuri never playing’going out with kids in his ages and just focus on studying so that he would never waste Yor effort to raising him. And Loid has to face the “world” by preparing his knowledge after the trauma.
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I think it will starting to center Anya origins soon so the grandparents characters will have some involved, especially the classic language. I’m sorry to keep rambling about Yuri but with lacking of his bonding chapter with Anya recently I just want to see him tutor her again🥲
Also want to point out that Yuri can actually read Anya handwritings since chapter 26 ( and it’s mention again in lightnovel) I don’t know it will be mentioned again in manga but I hope it can be an important part later 🤔
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mistyyhaze · 4 months
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Also I think Anya WILL beat Damian in the final exams so again it reiterates that he’ll always be “second” and cue character arc for either of the two
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sy-on-boy · 1 year
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So there’s been some speculation about Ch 71 that while Anya’s bomb is fake, Damian’s bomb is real. Hmm. I can get behind this theory.
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The terrorist says this before Anya pats her bomb in relief and freaks everyone out, eventually causing Damian to stand up for her. “And if that still won’t settle ‘em down, then I’ll have no choice but to use my last resort plan.” The class was clearly very unsettled following Anya’s actions.
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The terrorist’s impression of Damian is that he’s a dumbass that wants to pee and the terrorist thinks Damian wants to get Anya killed. So Damian is perceived as a troublemaker before Damian reveals his intentions. Hmm, maybe the class isn’t that settled down after all.
After Damian declares “the bomb on her neck, attach it to me instead!”, the terrorist gives Damian this look. Damian then proceeds to explain why he’s the perfect hostage (his family, he’s “well-liked”).
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And then the terrorist straps the bomb on Damian.
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He also makes an interesting comment about “equality”.
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Last chapter, I wondered if the terrorist would realise Damian, Anya and Becky were working together with Damian as the distraction, but evidently the terrorist hasn’t. So the “equality” isn’t about Damian and Anya being equally punished for trying to escape. He just thinks of Damian as an idiot.
Equality is a funny word to use here because the terrorist does NOT think of Damian and Anya as equals. First of all, the terrorist knows who Damian is and Anya is just a commoner. Secondly, while Anya is “the troublemaker who threw something about of the window”, Damian is just “the troublemaker who really needs to pee”. Anya is a potential threat to the success of the hijacking, Damian is simply a nuisance. Thirdly, Anya did not volunteer to be the hostage. Damian did.
Considering Damian has approached the front of the bus two times (both times for Anya), he is a bit of a troublemaker and it is understandable for the terrorists to want to “suppress him” by scaring him with a fake bomb. But then, Damian literally offered himself up as the “perfect” hostage with reasons why. Anya’s fake bomb was meant to keep her and the class under control, and it did work, sort of— the class is very freaked out even if Anya is relieved. So I think Damian’s bomb is not really to control the class, it’s to control him.
Remember the last resort that the terrorist mentioned earlier? What if he brings it out in the form of a real bomb because Damian isn’t behaving? Perhaps Damian’s words have inadvertently given the terrorist a good idea.
I also believe there’s more to the Damianya scenes than ship tease. If the police is here and they’re all saved, Damian having a bomb on his neck would have no reason other than ship tease (or potential friendship development). Plus, Anya did not read the terrorist’s mind when he put the bomb on Damian as she was focusing on Damian’s thoughts instead. The terrorist’s intentions with Damian are hidden to Anya and to the readers.
It’ll be interesting if Anya’s bomb is fake and Damian’s one is real, and Anya will learn that Damian got himself into Real Danger to save her. (And I feel Anya does have some sort of bomb related trauma re: the clockwork tower explosion with Loid.) Anyway, I really hope we’ll get more development of Anya and Damian’s dynamic because what we just got was insane.
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yuzukahachimir · 1 year
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SxF 73 SPOILER ALERT
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The Briar siblings and their habit of ending up being shot....
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Yuri needs in a future learn of Yor,she was shot on the butt and she wasn't crying like him.
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marsdani · 1 year
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We definitely have to see Loid's reaction in chapter 76 because Anya getting a Stella and her officially being friends with Damian deserves all the rewards and awards!
In short, Anya is once again proven to be the most important part of Operation Strix.
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deonideatta · 1 year
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!!manga spoilers!!
YOOOOO TWIYOR POST TENNIS DATE NEXT WEEK TWILIGHT GETS KICKED NEXT WEEK "YOU'RE STRONG, YOR" NEXT WEEK THE LULLABY GETS AN ACTUAL MELODY NEXT WEEK "MAYBE BEING WITH YOR REALLY HAS THROWN ME OFF BALANCE" NEXT W
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randombook4idk · 9 months
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me: ooh boy, i sure do hope i dont fall down for a ship that would be considered problematic-
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me: well fu-
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kira-ani-mcgrath · 4 months
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Lol @ Loid's/Twilight's soul leaving his body in the last panel of Ch 93. Parenting do be like that sometimes.
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casualcrusadepeanut · 2 years
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Ignorance is weakness. Ignorance is a sin.
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xxscarletxrosexx · 5 months
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"Ania" is the closest to an identity reveal.
Chapter 90.1 Spoilers!
I know that this analysis is a stretch, but hear me out.
Based on my post, A Linguistic Analysis of the Spelling Names "Ania" and "Anya", I think this is the closest thing to how the Forgers would respond to anyone having an identity reveal.
When Loid asks Anya if her name is spelled, "A-N-Y-A", Anya says okay. She doesn't question it and accepts that name because her papa gave it to her. This is poetic because a fake man gives a fake name to his fake daughter.
So, Loid gives her a "mask" to be part of the fake family--the Forgers. In a way, he reaffirms her identity because that's how her name is spelled on official documents. So what you are on paper, you should stick to be.
Meanwhile, Yor carves out Anya's name as "ANIA". She doesn't seem to question the spelling, whether or not she is academically limited, she accepts the name "ANIA" on the plaque. She only changes it to "ANYA" when Loid most likely tells her off-screen. (The reason I believe that it's Yor who fixes it is because the penmanship is the same. The only difference is that "ANIA" has some messy lines when she carved her name).
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So what this tells me is that Loid will avoid any possible identity reveal and re-affirm what is on paper. Yor would most likely embrace her family if they were revealed. Ania, would probably be relieved and happy.
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nekoro-san · 5 months
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Dedicated to Rinko in Twitter.
She has been suggested for more artists to draw Yurikuro ( YurixChloe) and Ojimei ( Yuri and Anya duo) in Thanksgiving theme.
And I hope a part of Rinko life is getting better for a new change.
( I may edit my description again, I just finished so I felt exhausted abit)
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mistyyhaze · 4 months
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I always thought it would be Damian that tutors Anya but this chapter makes me think maybe Anya would tutor Damian 👀👀 in classical language 👀👀
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yuzukahachimir · 1 year
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SxF CHAP 76 SPOILER ALERT
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This made me laugh so much.
Becky and the rest of clasmates have to be so used of Anya and Damian bickering and fight with each other than they just went to class and left them with their discussion.
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