I love Slott & Templeton's Spider-Man/Human Torch series. Sadly all of their examples of Human Torch's adventures with Ben Reilly never happened. Well, they weren't published anyway. What was it like when Johnny did meet Spidey's clone? We know that from Spider-Man Holiday Special #1 from 1995!
The first part of the story is a flashback that reveals that Spidey and Johnny always meet at the Statue of Liberty at Christmas. They reminisce about fighting sandman in Marvel's first Christmas comic and Pete tried to reveal his secret identity but Torch won't let him.
Then, in the present we get Ben Reilly explaining the clone saga to Johnny. Importantly, Ben share's Pete's early memories so he remembers all of their early adventures too, so it's like seeing an old friend. It's sweet!
Interestingly, this story was originally written before Ben took over as Spider-Man, so the two pages with him at the end had to be rewritten to update it!
They did meet one other time in the clone saga and it contradicts that Christmas story.
In it Spidey doesn't make it to the Statue of Liberty and when Johnny saves Ben he believe him to be a fake. Oh well!
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The lightbulb was invented by Thomas Edison in 1870.
Thomas Edison lighted up the whole city of Chicago with electricity in 1870. The Great Chicago Fire of 1871 was avoided which was caused by a cow kicking over a lighted lantern in a barn.
Titanic was equipped with head lights in 1912. With the head lights, Titanic avoided a collision with the iceberg that could sink the ship.
Thomas Edison lighted up the torch of the Statue of Liberty in 1886.
Reproduction of the light of Thomas Edison’s first lightbulb.
(View the photograph on a computer screen or a TV screen in a dark room or at night.)
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Statue of Liberty in New York City Aerial View by David Oppenheimer
Via Flickr:
I spent the weekend by the Statue for the reopening in 1986 in a small boat and swam in New York Harbor with a rope tied to my ankle so the current wouldn't sweep me away (old school parenting). About 8 years earlier, after spending a lot of time visiting my grandfather in the hospital, my Pop took us on a helicopter tour over Manhattan since the East Side Heliport was next door. We flew over the Statue of Liberty and my Dad said we'd go inside of it one day. We were several thousand feet above it and it looked so small from that height that I envisioned four of us contorted to fit into it: Statue of Liberty in New York City aerial view - © 2023 David Oppenheimer - Performance Impressions aerial photography archives - performanceimpressions.com
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This rare view of the Statue of Liberty was taken from her torch in 1916. It was closed to public access later that same year.
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hey!
I recently made a post about wanting to understand the concept of Spideytorch more, and was directed to your blog! If it's not too much of an ask, could you break down their relationship for me?
Sure! I can do that. I'm going to refer back to your post just as a jumping off point -- Spideytorch is definitely, 100% a comics-based thing. Prior to the upcoming Fantastic Four MCU film, the film rights for both characters have never been held by the same company, and "crossover" films are very much a product of the MCU, although ironically Andrew Garfield did once say he wanted Michael B Jordan, who played Johnny in the 2015 Fantastic Four film, to play his Peter's love interest.
Thank you for your service, Andrew.
But while it is comics-based, it's a very different scenario than Spideypool, where the comics are very much based on their popularity as a duo in fandom. I'm not a Spideypool fan, just as like a disclaimer, but as someone interested in the symbiotic relationship between fandom and superhero comics, Spideypool is really interesting because their popularity came first -- they got that team up comic because they were already popular in fandom, they didn't become popular in fandom because they had the team up comic. So it's a really interesting look at how fan activity influences the connections comic characters have. That's not the case with Spideytorch.
(I'm not saying one of those things is inherently better than the other, but since you mentioned Spideypool and their team up comic in your post, I thought it made for an interesting comparison.)
Peter and Johnny literally meet in Amazing Spider-Man #1, back in 1963. The two premier teen heroes of the day, they have a lot of early interaction because they played well off each other -- Peter, a broke loner, was often jealous of Johnny's fame and money, whereas Johnny bemoaned his girl problems compared to chick magnet Peter. (Johnny's girlfriend at the time literally asked him why he couldn't be more like Peter.) They're both pretty big personalities, so there was a lot of pigtail pulling in the early days, but even when they argued there was always a sense that they genuinely liked each other deep down. For Peter, who didn't have friends in the business, Johnny was someone he could rely on, and for Johnny -- who just, like, did not have friends at all until he got to college -- Spider-Man was a peer, someone he looked up to and admired.
(ASM #3)
(ASM #8)
(Strange Tales Annual #2 -- this is the first appearance of Johnny and Peter's "usual place," the Statue of Liberty. Iconic.)
(ASM #19)
(ASM #127)
As Johnny and Peter grew up, the frequency of their team ups faded a little, but their lives have always intersected. In some ways, they've run in parallel. They went to college at the same time, got married at the same time. (Peter's marriage was solid until he sold it to the devil; Johnny's faltered after a decade because sometimes you think you marry someone but they're actually a shapeshifting alien from outerspace who was sent to kill your family. Peter is one of the very few people who Johnny told about that in the aftermath.) Peter unmasked to Johnny, told him his identity, one of the very few people he's done that for. When Johnny "died" (he got better), he left Peter his place on the Fantastic Four. And then, when Johnny came back from the dead, the first person he saw on the other side was Peter.
(FF #1)
(ASM #657, titled Torch Song)
(Fantastic Four #601)
They've lived together, fought together, shared their lives with each other. They trust each other, bone deep, despite their squabbles and differences. It's always been a love connection, however you define that love. It's a connection that has existed from 1963 until today, across multiple fictional universes and continuities. For me, the appeal of them has always been not just their chemistry but also their history.
Also they're just a lot of fun.
(FF #17)
(Fantastic Four v5 #14)
I have a long list of important comics for them in chronological order here, if you want to read more: https://traincat.tumblr.com/post/123691883369/so-ive-only-recently-gotten-into-spidertorch
I hope that helps clear up the history a little bit!
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"Wait a minute. You're telling me that Stefan... this Stefan. Stefan Antonio Salvatore, king of the brooding, jumped naked in the Trevi fountain and got drunk on the torch of the statue of Liberty?" Y/N asked.
Lexi smiled. "That's just the beginning. He was a real wildcard this one." She ruffled Stefan's already messy hair.
"Really? What else did he do?" Y/N smiled as he leaned forward.
"He snuck into a brothel house. Participated in a burlesque show. There was also the time I caught him making out with the Nobleman's son and the ship's cabin boy." Lexi said.
Y/N looks at Stefan, who's red from head to toe with embarrassment. "Wow. I didn't know Stefan was capable of doing such fun and reckless things. Are you sure it wasn't Damon in a wig?" He jokes.
"Believe me. Damon would have been a bitch about it."
"I'm shocked to learn that Stefan Antonio Salvatore has a fun side. I think I might faint."
Stefan rolled his eyes with a faint smile on his face. "I did it once. I'm not that big of a stick in the mud."
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