#sun jian

[yaka06210]

孫家

[grand-theft-carbohydrates]

funniest shit i learned this week: absolutely obsessed about the way daddy sima fang vs daddy sun jian named their sons + the hypothetical relationships they had.

lets look at Sun Jian: He was born to a peasant father whos name was never even recorded in history, but he had high hopes for his sons and he named them accordingly:

Sun Ce, styled Bofu -- Ce means "strategy," Fu is a type of military token used to prove that a command has legitimate authority. very ironic the son named "strategy" is the hothead who rushes into things. Sun Quan, styled Zhongmou -- Quan means "right" e.g. "the right to rule", Mou means also strategy. this time it's appropriate, at least! Sun Yi, styled Shubi -- Yi means "to assist," Bi also means..."assist" I guess daddy was trying to get the message across "hey champ. ur like the 3rd son ur NEVER going to inherit. so just be good and help ur bros, ok?" Sun Kuang, styled Jizuo--Kuang means "to revive" as in "to revive the han dynasty." Zuo............also means "assist." (OK DAD. I GET THE MESSAGE. GOD.)

MOVING ON! this is the 8 brothers of the sima clan. notice anything?

ALL their courtesy names ended in Da. No it wasn't common for the time. Their contemporaries were straight up roasting them for it, calling them the "Sima-Eight-Da" it gets better. you see the courtesy names Bo, Zhong, Shu ect? they're used to denote birth order going from eldest-> youngest. this is the fucking equivalent of naming your kids One Two Three Four Five... + tacking on a Da at the end. (Da means achieve/reach btw) im losing my fucking mind over the implications. Sun Jian the barely-educated, peasant-born, Mr "talk softly and carry a HUGE sword," is spending 7 hours a day on babynames.com in between kicking dong zhuo's ass, obsessing over each letter like a 13yo creating their first OC, being all "my precious baby boys are destined for greatness and they need the COOLEST names and COURTESY names to match." and sima fang is like [Ctr+ C] [Ctr + P], and in the end it's HIS ugly kid that ends up unifying china.

[koei-tecmo-edits]

All I wish to do is stamp out the sparks of conflict, nothing more.

[simayeeet]

a little accident

[discourseofthethreekingdoms]

Deep Dive: Yellow Dreams Never Die

@dongzhou3kingdoms hosts @sunfin3k and @zgongjin as they return to discuss the Yellow Turbans in our first deep dive episode. Topics of conversation are the history of the Turbans, their beliefs, what we know of them, who they were and why things went so badly for them.

Our first deep dive, focused solely on the history of the subject (in this case, the Turbans) rather then a novel chapter and it's themes. When a major character dies or a major appropriate subject comes up, we are hoping to have one of these

Date of Taiping Jing article

Chapter timings 01:03 What We Know 15:05 Context in which they rose 21:42 Turban plot 29:40 The War 48:43 Aftermath

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Cdrama: Yong An Dream (2024)

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[mogu359]

真・三國無双８

孫堅の過去フォト2020 まとめ１

[nymphilily]

This family is a nightmare

[dailypyoro]

Day 167: The Nasty Warriors

[romance-of-three-memes]

So does anyone know of any sort of media that takes the 'what if Sun Jian and/or Sun Ce lived longer and had more to do with the formation of Wu' premise and runs with it? Honestly it doesn't even have to be good, a lot of the time you can't really afford to be picky about Wu since so many people have for whatever reason been convinced that they're boring. But I'd rather Sun Ce and Sun Jian didn't just stand around in the back telling Sun Quan 'atta boy!' like in Wu's hypothetical route in Dynasty Warriors 8.

I could write it myself, true, but that would take time and work. And at least a bit of research, but seeing how my field largely involves research, I have a habit of getting carried away even if I'm not trying to make everything historically accurate to an excruciating degree (which I generally don't, anyway). I also know Mandarin, Spanish, and a little bit of French, so if you know anything like that that hasn't been translated into English, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

[magicalgirloftheday]

✧・ﾟ:*Today’s magical girl of the night is: Sun Jian from CrossMagic!✧・ﾟ:*

[grand-theft-carbohydrates]

Me @ myself: sun jian’s nickname “tiger of jiangdong” is not meant to be taken literally. Iuo guanzhong made it up for the book,

Also me: make daddy sun look like a tiger. Do it. Make his beard and scars look like stripes.

[the-archlich]

You think Lu Bu liked Cake? Also, did Sun Jian's line come from a long line of Han royalty at all like the Cao's or Yuan's, or was he just a well decorated warlord, like just someone famous? Where did the Sun family fit in?

If you mean the pastry, I have no idea. If you mean the other definition, who doesn't?

As far as Sun Jian's lineage goes, here's a bit from Generals of the South.

[zl181]

Comprehensive Biography of Zhang Zi

Zhang Zi, styled Ziyi (張咨字子議; d. Winter 190), was a civil official who was the Grand Administrator of Nanyang.

Ancestry

Zhang Zi came from Yingchuan Commandery.[1]

Life

He was famous.[1]

Death

Around 190, he presumably became Grand Administrator of Nanyang because Zhou Bi and Wu Qiong, whom Dong Zhuo held high opinions of, advocated for Zhang Zi to be appointed to office.[6] Despite Dong Zhuo giving him the post, he intended to contribute his troops to the Guandong Coalition.[2] However, he was killed by Sun Jian before he could do anything.

There are two accounts of his death. The official biography of Sun Jian states that when Sun Jian and his army arrived in Nanyang, he sent men to request military supplies from Zhang Zi, who was allegedly calm abut the arrival.[3][4] Zhang Zi asked a subordinate of his, who said,

"Jian's neighboring commanderies have officials that have not been asked by him."

So Zhang Zi declined Sun Jian.[4] However, Sun Jian offered cattle and wine to Zhang Zi if he intended a feast, which Zhang Zi did the next day. When Zhang Zi became drunk, the registrar of Changsha entered the room and told Sun Jian,

"Previously, you sent [orders] to Nanyang, but the roads and pathways are still unruly and military supplies were not provided. I ask that you arrest [Zi] and have me interrogate him in his intentions."

Zhang Zi heard this and became very greatly afraid and tried to leave, only to be confronted by Sun Jian's army on all four directions. Shortly after, the same registrar again entered and told Sun Jian,

"The Grand Administrator of Nanyang has halted [raising] righteous troops and so caused the traitors to not then be suppressed. I ask that you arrest him and take him out to judge him and have military law carried out."

Thus Sun Jian dragged out Zi to the army gates and beheaded him.[3]

The second version from the Records of Wu by Hu Chong stated that when Sun Jian arrived at Nanyang, Zhang Zi did not give out military supplies and was unwilling to even meet Sun Jian. Sun Jian wanted to attack Zhang Zi because he feared Zhang Zi would be a future threat, so he pretended to have become seriously ill. He had his army act as though they were fearful and trying to save his life desperately. Eventually, Sun Jian sent his close relatives to tell Zhang Zi that as Sun Jian was supposedly very will, he wanted to have his troops given to Zhang Zi. Zhang Zi was delighted and led 500 or 600 infantry and cavalry to Sun Jian's camp and visited him. Sun Jian was lying down when he met with Zi. Without warning, Sun Jian rose up, pressed his sword against Zhang Zi, and scolded him. Afterwards, he beheaded him.[5]

Legacy

Zhang Zi's death frightened the people of Nanyang Commandery that they gave Sun Jian what he wanted without fail. The commandery itself was given to Yuan Shu, but his government was very unpopular.[6]

Personal Info

Name: Wang Rui (張咨)

Style name: Ziyi (子議)[1]

Death date: Winter 190/Spring 191 (11th/12th lunar month of 1st year of the Chuping era)[7]

References

[1] - 【咨字子議，潁川人，亦知名。】《英雄記》

[2] - 初，卓信任尚書周毖、城門校尉伍瓊等，用其所舉韓馥、劉岱、孔伷、張咨、張邈等出宰州郡。而馥等至官，皆合兵將以討卓。】《三國志•董卓傳》

[3] - 【比至南陽，衆數萬人。南陽太守張咨聞軍至，晏然自若。堅以牛酒禮咨，咨明日亦荅詣堅。酒酣，長沙主簿入白堅：「前移南陽，而道路不治，軍資不具，請收主簿推問意故。」咨大懼欲去，兵陳四周不得出。有頃，主簿復入白堅：「南陽太守稽停義兵，使賊不時討，請收出案軍法從事。」便牽咨於軍門斬之。郡中震慄，無求不獲。】《三国志•孫堅傳》

[4] - 【袁術表堅假中郎將。堅到南陽，移檄太守請軍糧。咨以問綱紀，綱紀曰：「堅鄰郡二千石，不應調發。」咨遂不與。】《獻帝春秋》

[5] - 【初堅至南陽，咨旣不給軍糧，又不肯見堅。堅欲進兵，恐有後患，乃詐得急疾，舉軍震惶，迎呼巫醫，禱祀山川。遣所親人說咨，言病困，欲以兵付咨。咨聞之，心利其兵，即將步騎五六百人詣營省堅。堅卧與相見。無���，卒然而起，按劒罵咨，遂執斬之。】《吳歷》

[6] - 【會長沙太守孫堅殺南陽太守張咨，術得據其郡。南陽戶口數百萬，而術奢淫肆欲，徵斂無度，百姓苦之。】《三国志•袁術傳》

[7] - 【冬十一月…孫堅殺荊州刺史王叡，又殺南陽太守張咨。】《後漢書•孝獻帝紀》

[discourseofthethreekingdoms]

Episode 2: Schemes at Luoyang

@sunfin3k is joined for episode 2 by translators Drew/Taishi Ci or as known here with their translations @fuyonggu and @zgongjin who has been working with @hanchaozhilang on translations

They discuss the second episode of the novel. Turban use of magic, the arrival of Sun Jian and his merchant background, the violence in the time of peace and chaos at court. 

Chapter Timings:

03:38: Turbans

10:18: Sun Jian

19:47: Post Rebellion

32:28: He Jin vs eunuchs

44:45: Ending

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Cdrama: Legend of Fei (2020-2021)

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=ENG/Viet. SUB= 有翡 Legend of Fei 01 趙麗穎 王一博 CROTON MEGAHIT Official

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