#tcoaal dev log

[titanelite22]

The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley Progress report 9

TW// Mentions Of Abuse

• Interesting to see that we'll get to play as Julia in the future episodes. Julia is the one thing that helps Andrew feel and look "normal," so any cracks under the surface will be really obvious when they're presented while playing as Julia.

• ANDREW IS NOT INNOCENT ‼️ Yes, Ashley has fucked him up, but she's only half the reason. This guy did not give a FUCK about Julia telling him that she was receiving explicit and graphic threatening voicemails. Like, dude, that's your GIRLFRIEND... He didn't even offer to call the police or anything...

• We need to see more of how Julia and Andy act around each other, but the whole snapping because she's asking valid questions? It feels so controlling in the sense that now that he's snapped at her like this, she's probably gonna be afraid to bring this conversation up again in the future. She'll probably be afraid to say something he won't like or disagree with him as well.

And if she DOES bring it up again, he's gonna snap again, and she'll immediately bend and apologise to him. It's a cycle. The last text reads, 'You forgot what you wanted to talk to him about'. That's the goal. He's gonna react like that everything she brings it up. Also, the casual language ("Nah", all the sighing, his facial expressions), saying things like "is that it?". It's so demeaning.

• Ah, yes, the high school rumours were incest rumours as we expected. I wonder how they (mainly Ashley lol) acted around everyone else for these rumours to even start.

• A lot of people picked up on this, and I'm glad I wasn't the only one - What Andrew said at the end? Those are literally the things he would say to Ashley. "Nothing will ever fustrate me like you do," "I'll forgive you for everything and for anything." He's literally talking to Julia like she's Ashley... Even the way he hugs Julia is similar to how he hugs Ashley.

TLDR;

• Nemlei got tired of people victimising Andrew lol

[mass-angel-exodus]

Can you redraw the recent dev. Log for TCOAAL?

MINORS DNI//AGE IN BIO BYF//DO NOT REPOST

[This was sent and drawn before chapter 3 dropped}

[ashley-kins]

How many ends will there be in the Coffin of Andy and Leyley

Well, after playing all 5 of Nemlei's previous games, I will say that they are a huge fan of multiple endings. And as Nemlei said in a FAQ in one of the dev logs: "Q: How many episodes are there going to be? A: Four. Two of them are Episode 3 for the two routes: Burial and Decay. But each route will have multiple endings."

So far, we actually have gotten 2 endings: Warden Catches You and Hitman Kills You. (Yes, these are real endings. After playing the previous games Nemlei made, I recognize this.)

But, how many more will there be? Well, we have at least one more ending that have been shown in the devlog:

What this ending is called is a mystery for now. It could be from police officers killing them (would be very similar to the song "Partners in Crime" by Set It Off) or from a gang fight of some kind. We really have no idea.

But, what about the other endings? Well, Decay has shown us 2 possible outcomes: Andrew Kills Ashley or Ashley Kills Andrew. (But maybe the point of Episode 3: Decay is to avoid those endings. Who knows.) So, we have 3 more endings. 2 in Decay and 1 in ?????

But what about Burial? Well, that's obviously a mystery. But, looking at Nemlei's past game Jack in a Castle, the endings come out to having 10 endings. So, will tCoAaL have 10 endings? Personally, I'm going to say probably. 2 already exist pretty early on so, having 8 endings more makes some sort of sense if you think about how each sub routes (Bullets, Cleaver, Questionable Love, and Sane Friendship) might each have 2 endings.

Anyway, you could say I answered Ashley Graves' question

(thanks for the penny, Ashley, I hope you enjoyed my thoughts -Ashley)

[sunshine-jesse]

I have multiple thoughts I want to express after reading multiple of your Coffinalyses again.

Isn’t it interesting that the character development for Andrew, the more subtle manipulator of the siblings, is generally agreed to be harder to miss than that of Ashley, Ms. Black Heart on her Long Sleeves, whose is of such subtlety, few in the fanbase could/would recognize it for themselves, instead letting the cognitive bias inclined by the initial narrative insist he’s but a footstool? Maybe it’s difficulty seeing past her awesome fat tits?

Do you think it’s plausible that as kids (or not) Andrew would covertly fake/induce a sickness in himself just to make Ashley feel needed (as his nurse) and sooth her insecurities?

What do you make of a personality swap AU? There’s a take that if such were canon, the game would be in the realm of less enjoyable, more contentious, or something like that. That sound like a reasonable take?

Have you seen a post that highlighted the significance of the different ending shots of Chapter 2 (mark of the demon on Andrew’s cigarette-holding palm vs cleaver, cigarette pack, & lighter in the backseat)? I’m not sure if this was also pointed out in that post, but in Burial, the sibs have determined their next move- new identities and keeping the hell away from the scene of Mr. Washing Machine’s corpse; in Decay, they’ve got no established plans beyond the possibility of murder-suicide and fighting over Ashley once again using the Andy nickname.

I wonder if you’ve thought of writing an analysis in fanfic form from Andrew’s perspective, like you did with It wasn’t ok.

Ashley's character development being hard to notice is twofold: The assumptions many make going into the story make it difficult to conceptualize it as a change. Sometimes it's garden-variety misogyny, sometimes people just don't alter their frames of reference as the story goes on and view every action through the lens of her as a toxic abuser trying to control Andrew. Usually the two are linked. The other issue is that her change doesn't have as blatantly visible an effect on the narrative's as Andrew's does. You have to really go into the weeds to see how different things would've been if Ashley actually didn't change, and you can manifest that refusal to truly change in the story through the decisions you make in the basement.

I think that's pretty plausible, yeah.

Currently, TCOAAL has a lot to say about gender roles and expectations. It's kinda (not really) covert, but it's there. A personality swap AU would undermine that. If the writer of said AU is aware of that, go off, kings and queens, but the work itself would be much less thematically coherent, yeah. A lot of personality swap AUs I've seen also rely on fundamental misunderstandings of the characters lmao

The way chapter 2 ended makes me think Decay will focus a lot more on the siblings than the world around them. Maybe it'll have more of the flashbacks we see in the dev logs? Dunno. It's probably gonna rip me apart either way.

I don't spiritually relate as much to Andrew as I do to Ashley so I think I'd have a lot of difficulty writing a fic from his perspective.

[titanelite22]

I hate some of you for making us wait. Episode 2 is a cliffhanger, and you guys survived 😭 We probably won't be getting it until mid next year, or late next year.

Anyways, now that we got the most recent devlog, I can see what Nemlei means by "Decay =/= bad and burial =/= good."

Decay = Andrew in the sense that it follows the route of his moral decay. So, we can get "happy" endings in the Decay route, now that it's been made clearer. I guess now it can be said that I'm not exactly an enthusiast of either now as the possibilities are endless.

As for Burial... Well, they could end up dead in either route, so 🤷🏾‍♀️ or maybe this is "Ashley's route," if you will. Burying Andy and Leyley seems like something that's essential for the growth of both of them. Whether that's their incestuous romantic relationship or their platonic sibling relationship. Ultimately, it's up to the player.

With this update, I guess we'll see some Burial enthusiasts being more excited for Decay. Looking at the possibilities of where the routed could lead, it really is beautiful. I'm seriously excited for the next episodes.

[titanelite22]

Burial episode development (3B) hasn't even started. I'm gonna suffer for a while 😂 (my thoughts on dev log 10 are coming soon)