#thats some 2012 behaviour

[g0nta-g0kuhara]

why do u think people r so ashamed of loving danron??

I mean, honestly, there's a lot of reasons, which makes it kind of complicated to tackle. I can list out a few from the top of my head, based on personal experience Feeling the shame and observation of other fans

•The problematic content in the games themselves. People feel embarrassed to like the other parts of the game because of the amount of bigoted moments (and sometimes whole characters) within these games. They don't want people to think they like those parts too, so they couch their appreciation in embarrassment.

•The reputation of the fanbase. On tumblr at least, things have normalized significantly and I find this fandom a very chill place to be. But the danganronpa fandom at its peak (2012-2016ish) was RABID. Like any major tumblr fandom, there was tons of drama, discourse, and toxic fan behaviour, but DR was genuinely on another level. This is especially true because of the young average age of members of the fandom at the time. Even though thats not generally true anymore on tumblr, this fandom still has that reputation to non-fans, and so people don't want to be associated with it.

•Cringe culture. At its peak, the DR fandom on tumblr was made mostly of teens, especially younger teens. I think the earnest way young teens participate in fandom led to it being seen as cringe, just like many other fandoms. Also, even outside of its problematic content, DR's plot can be weird and, frankly, even completely ridiculous. Similar to hom/estuck, I think this esotericness adds to people's kneejerk reaction to it when hearing about it second hand.

•The tendency of tumblr to turn on popular media when the magic is gone. This is something I've noticed with a lot of tumblr's number 1 big fandoms. Once a lot of people's interest in it starts wearing off, for some reason people will pivot to hating it. It happened with T/MA a little, it happened with Und/ertale, it happened with S/U, and so many other fandoms that tumblr went crazy over initially. Maybe its because these fandoms became so vocal they started to annoy those not participating, so they started to meme and make fun of it and its fans. Then, when people start to leave as their interests change, they join in on the teasing to displace the shame they might've felt from being teased. Eventually, people usually turn around and come to appreciate the piece of media casually again. That didn't really happen with DR... probably because of the other three reasons.

DR gained this reputation of being "irredeemable, problematic, cringe media" with a toxic fanbase and never shook it off. Before I played DR, I knew nothing about it except that tumblr hated it, for some reason. I had learned literally nothing else through fandom osmosis! And I think that general feeling, that Good People who like Unproblematic Things* (*requirement of being a good person) would never touch DR with a 10 foot pole outside of to make fun of it, sticks with people.

So when people finally check it out, usually through irony-poisoned letsplays of it, and end up actually liking it, they don't know what to do with themselves. How do you balance genuinely liking this piece of media with the site-wide perception youve grown so used to? With the idea that everyone will hate you if they know you like it, that you are a bad person for even posting about it? And thats how you get everyone's first DR post having a caption essentially communicating "im so sorry for posting about dr- I know its terrible and associating myself with this game makes me look disgusting- people who've followed me up until now, please dont hate me!"

[fumblingmusings]

I know you don;'t really write the female versions of Mattew and Alfred but your latest inspo post got me thinking of them and Evelyn so bad like. Fem Matthew as the dutiful daughter, doing everything her mother says, turning herself inside out by adhering to every steroetype about women whilst also trying her best at being a good soldier, and fem Alfred defying and going against everything she's taught but still actually gaining the respect from Evelyn in the process that fem Matthew never really receives just oompfffff. The yes ok you love me, but do you even like me?? thats the eternal question for fem Matthew and the, Sorry that im all the things you wanted to be but couldnt be, thing with fem Alfred. they're just soooooo mmmhhhh. It's just so much rawer somehow, fem Alfred surpassing her mother in a 'look what I can do... without you' fashion, and fem Matthew forever stuck in the, 'one day she'll have to notice my role here, surely if I were to leave everything would crumble.. she'd notice right?' role just aaaahhhhh. The competitiveness for Evelyns attention, Evelyn unintentionally or otherwise encouraging it. And then how a fem Francis would fit in, one who helps fem Alfred while still ignoring her disappointingly plain sort of daughter who's aligned with Evelyn just AHHHHHH. They're all so complicated just what a mess!

Sometimes it can feel like parenting is just passing on different illnesses and behaviours and traumas, most often unintentionally. I mean 90% of the time it's unintentionally. One hopes.

And it's just tripled on account of a) these guys are immortal spirits and b) their parental and guardian figures have no self awareness because c) they are found and raised in an incredibly destructive and poisonous system, where every act of kindness is hard to take at face value because it's embedded into a colonial structure which is - by its very design - exploitative. You cannot marry the two up. Those kids didn't ask to be born. They are born from violence. It's just... its fucked. You can't be well adjusted in that scenario... right?

But then... what does Arthur value most in a person? What does Evelyn? I... don't know the answer that that question. Suppose it varies on the century: like what Arthur values in 1730 is not what he values in 2012. How do their kids show those traits? Do they even have them?

I know examples, where, with a pair of sisters, the older has more pride from the parents, because she has succeeded in the ways that matter most to that generation (partner, baby, house, job). However, that the parents also don't like or trust her very much for whatever reason. The younger meanwhile has the trust and affection for whatever reason - baby being the baby, maybe the personalities just gel more... whatever - which leads to scenarios where the older, despite ticking all the objective boxes of success, can't match up to the sibling, nor can they do anything to match up.

I imagine with some families you might flip it. The daughter who is more amenable and easy to get along with is found wanting against someone who just has their life together, even if the way they treat their parents is not as kindly as the other. Regardless of which way round it is, it means the siblings just can never quite gel, even if the parents aren't present. Too much history.

And maybe the siblings are just inherently different right? Doesn't matter if you raise two people the exact same way, they will not come out the other side the same person. But then... The siblings must have some things in common right? Speaks to how much of a personality is taught/learned versus intrinsic...

BUT! I am not a scientist. And every family's ills show in different ways.

[maxellminidisc]

These tags intrigued me, I have more thoughts (not confrontational or anything just fascinated by difference of experience)

Cause like I definitely don't think fandom was better circa 2012-2018??? when I was involved more deeply in fandom. I think if you're a person of color in fandom the experience then or now is especially always going to be shit and it's going to feel like wading in the fucking trenches. I think fandom culture has always been rotten as long as you got white people being the most vocal majority. And I think the one improvement we've made is that the discussion on adults behavior towards minors and about media about or containing minors, about racism, about other awful shit is now out in the open at a bigger scale. There were always people willing to talk about these things, but the likelyhood of them being drowned out by harrassment and especially racism was like on a different level, like its STILL absolutely happens and I still see it happen but I think a lot of people now have at the very least much bigger spaces to have these convos, especially amongst ourselves as targets of said fandom racism, ableism, etc. But the downside of this is that the people who HAVE gotten called out for shit are ALSO much more openly aggressive and shameless, especially towards minors and poc.

BUT like what I was referring to in my original post as something I "enjoyed" is the balance of fandom related content OUTSIDE and beside fan fiction specifically on tumblr. From my experience, it felt like a pretty balanced ratio of fanfic, fan art, gifsets, giveaways, meta discussion, fan projects like zines, etc cause they were always on my dash plain as day, literally never had to look for it and when I did it was easy to find. I even still have mutuals from those days and they too notice the change!

It wasn't like now, where you practically have to scroll past 20 pages of badly tagged fan fiction. It was always a nice mix of stuff; a fanfic here, a gifset there, a sprinkling of fan art, etc Now it's like can't go into a single interest without at least scrolling past 15 posts in a row of PURE fan fic before you find maybe one piece of fan art sanwhiched between the next ten. I literally have to put additional tags (for example rn let's say you have to be like "miguel o'hara, art, fan art" + show pictures only feature) to find specific things AND EVEN THEN fan fiction will still clog my results because tumblr picks up on the gifs, screencaps, photos, etc. people use to decorate or draw attention to their fan fic for some reason.

So it's like there absolutely is a saturation in fandoms focus on fanfiction and as someone else said in the tags, I think the general epidemic of faster hollower consumption of all things, including media and art, has both contributed to so much of that oversaturation and produced work thats not so fucking great! I mean back in the day you still had people absolutely writing very weak to badly written work, don't get me wrong, but finding and tracking down works with a substantial amount of thought into the original narratives and characterizations of their inspiration, of trying to improve their literary skills, working with editors, OF BEING OPEN TO CRITIQUE, was so much more likely! And the middle of the road stuff wasn't a complete loss either.

Like to me there is just such an apparant change in the ratio of content and quality produced in fandom and now that I think about it like the sense of idk an actual creative community?? The only time I see people really rally is when anybody has actual critique on fandom culture or on someone in fandoms behaviour. Like I mentioned before people used to get together all the time and do like collaborative fics, online zine projects, giveaways of merch they'd made or copies of things they didn't need anymore/wanted to share, other art projects like tarot decks, etc as a fun way to engage with each other. Some of these fun things absolutely still exist but they're usually done in much smaller scales and in smaller fandoms I'm in and they dont happen quite as much. Of course theres other reasons the reduction in these projects has happened (aka disastrous scams lol) but it's interesting that its fallen out of style among fan spaces, I see it more in specificically LGBT spaces that say, people get together to make a zine. Fandom now seems very very disconnected in some particular way now on here that I cant quite put into words that really doesnt feel as capable of enjoyment??? Enjoyment now comes from SUPER curating who and what you're interacting with instead of like more of a casual pick and choose, steady flow of variable content.

[vanse-sventbook-please-ignore]

FAMILY AND SUSPICION OF ED IN FAMILY VENT

It annoys me how my dad denyed and laughed at me back then when i said that hes talking to much about sisters weight and she might develop an ed

Today i found her vent account on tiktok in tags for example "ed" i knew because it was in "my contacts " and shes 2012 and she writted fucking

What if 2012-2023 a month ago and a few posts " what if ill do it today" she didnt so thats great at least?

Family dont know about my ed but i can recognize behaviours and i feel like ive failed her too even if its not my responsability to raise her but she could have copied my mechanisms+ once i said something really shitty too, it annoyed me how eating some 202020 candies was more important than listening to me and washing off from place where were shitty people i asked her politely and said we should go but she fucking get the food out of her bag and begun to eat it all so i said "damn is eating really more important now?" "Yes" so i asked few times more to go and i got only more annoyed so i said "..fat cow" its easy to annoy me but please understand me i felt guilty indeed i feel like for a second" me" as "me" disapeard and "ana" decided to spoke for me, yet my sis didnt deserve it even if i apologized it just sucks

But i also blame tiktok on this people suck some fancams that looks like fandom talk rhen ypu read about calories it frustrates me i think she might get it on her fyp since its so easy these days and because shes on chubbier side eh

Hopefully she'll get out and its not going to be returning illnes seriously

It doesnt helps that shes "different" from me and other sister i have 2 sisters and with one of them we have lots of topics shes 10 and the one i talked about is 11 and shes different from us she doesnt have any connecting interests and when she comes to talk it ends up bad she often has a big bursts of energy and its really not my thing its too much i know shes just in her growing up phase and shes young like the other one but idk

On the other hand she body shamed me too for example my face she fointed out rude things when she could idk if i really should take it personally anymore

What the fuck should i do

[iampikachuhearmeroar]

another unsolicited relationship advice post:

okay. i know that there’s probably thousands of relationship advice posts on here. but anyway. to my younger followers, if i have any:

if anyone that you’ve just met declares that you’re “girlfriend material” or “boyfriend material” and that you must simply meet their parents NOW! or some other ridiculously short interval (like a week say), instead of, idek, like a month or two into your relationship, know that that is a possible red flag for trying to push the relationship too fast.

i say this as again, bc on some buzzfeed fb post about supposed “nice guys” i commented about my high school stalker/creeper from 2012/2013. who, when i first met him in 2012 at public school, he insisted that after two days of knowing him that i simply “have to meet my (his) mum and my sisters right now! bc you’re girlfriend material and i LOVE you!”

like woah! dude! i’ve known you for a grand total of two fucking days! i absolutely don’t have to meet your family RIGHT NOW (although if i’d ever been stupid enough to actually date my stalker back then, i would’ve had to meet his mum or one of his 4 sisters/all of them at once; at some point anyway…. bc they would’ve had to drive us to dates etc bc neither of us had our Ps (provisional drivers licence here in aus) yet at the time)). because i’m pretty sure the normal window is about 1-2 months? maybe 3-4 months? why the fuck are you so obsessed with the term “girlfriend material”??? what the actual FUCK does that EVEN mean?? get away from me. bc this isn’t love. it’s something else, that i can’t put my finger on.

compare this to clear braces boy from catholic school, who literally took almost 3 years to ask me out; and to even ask for my number. when he’d finally asked for my number right before one set of the winter holidays at the end of term 2/before the start of term 3 in 2010, i was so oblivious as to why he wanted my number…. when he’d never wanted it/asked for it before.

so when he called me, while i was still on the bus home from school, i was panicking like “OH FUCK THATS WHY HE WANTED MY NUMBER!!! HE WANTS TO ASK ME OUT!!!!! FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!! WHY THE FUCK AM I SO SLOW AND FUCKING DUMB???!!!” he never pressured me to meet his parents (although at 14/15 it was very obvious that that was a standard practice since we couldn’t drive ourselves anywhere lmao). we were basically on equal footing, except for my slowness with cottoning onto him asking me out and why he asked for my number lol.

CBB had never pressured and harassed me about my virginity. he had NEVER harassed me with porn, most especially while at school, unlike mr creeper who LOVED pulling out his porn filled phone and school laptop to show me his overly violent, degrading and aggressive porn. CBB’s flirting method was showing me norwegian black metal bands (or normal metal bands like parkway drive) and making me watch repeats of family guy on his ipod at lunch bc he loved family guy. he never brought up the term “girlfriend material” ever. he treated me like an actual person. and not his own personal fuck doll, that had holes that were conveniently for sticking his useless and clueless ass teenage dick in, again unlike creeper who was hellbent on wanting to act out his favourite violent etc porn on me to let him “take your virginity in a wonderful weekend of sex down the coast and you have to do all things that I LIKE BC THAT’S THAT AND I SAID SO!!!” 🤮🤮. although if i had progressed further than those few weeks with cbb, and my constant *karen from mean girls voice* *fake cough, fake cough* i’m sick *regina george voice* boo, you whore!” act every time i didn’t turn up on date that he’d asked me on…. maybe he could’ve treated me like that. but i’ll never know lol.

so cbb was unlike mr stalker; who was obsessed with my supposed “girlfriend material” status. mr stalker was obsessed with the fact that i had the ability and audacity to basically tell him “no”, by coyly letting him down with “my dad says i can’t date bc it distracts me from school and getting good marks 🙄😑” (which probably wasn’t true, looking back lmao)….. where he then whined PUBLICLY on facebook about it, with a status like “today sucks”… and then naming and shaming me in the comments when someone asked in the post comments what was wrong like: “*insert my name here* said no! she’s being a bitch!”. that at the time, made me roll my eyes and still does today when i think about it. because bro. i had literally only known you for two fucking days at that point. of course i’m going to say no. what the hell??? two days is nowhere near enough time to know a person well enough (although the conversation we had together on misguided trip to his house one day while we were wagging (skipping class/playing hooky for americans) aboriginal studies told me MORE THAN ENOUGH about his piece of shitness tbh) to “date” them imo.

because to me, the title “girlfriend material” doesn’t mean any fucking thing. but when it comes from a creep like mr stalker; it means “you’ll be my girlfriend forever and have my kids bc you’re such a nice girl and you’ll fix me bc that’s what nice girls like you do; bc you’re SO LOYAL AND NICE!” which i also saw as a MASSIVE RED FLAG back then, because we were literally 16yo kids (he literally told me this when we were on his bed in his bedroom in the aforementioned misguided trip to his house). and i also saw it as a red flag bc…. just because i’m “loyal” and “nice” doesn’t mean that i’ll spend LITERAL Y E A R S trying to “fix you” while you fuck around and never bother to change your behaviour all bc you think it’s “girly” to do just that. it definitely DOES NOT MEAN that i’ll have KIDS with you, what the actual fuck. like i’m a hopeless romantic, to an extent, mr creeper. but not to the extent where i’ll give myself up to someone like you, all because i’m “nice and caring” and it’s apparently what “nice girls do!!!” or whatever else fucked up guilt trip views you’ve got on why girls/women supposedly have to waste their time with and on you.

and also, on another front. CBB never FOLLOWED me home (considering he lived in a suburb 20mins away from mine lmao and we both lived at least 15mins away from the catholic school we attended) despite me telling him REPEATEDLY to “fuck off and walk home your way”….. whereas unfortunately, mr creeper lived just over the other side of my suburb.

so one day mr creeper decided to stalk me home (despite me saying the above “fuck off and walk home your way” comment constantly to him in the 10min walk home). and then when we got to my street and in front of my house he decided to joke that “oh now i know where your house and bedroom are, i’ll come to hide under your bed naked one day!!!! and when you get home (bc i’ll obvs do it when you’re out doing something), you’ll just have to FUCK ME because you’ll be so surprised that im there and ready to fuck you!” as if i’d be so overcome with supposed lust & love for him, after knowing that he’d broken into my room against my will and messed with my shit….. all for some cutesy love prank…. like in, idk, love actually (???) or himym (specifically the “naked man!” episode from season 4) or some other shitty romcom. bc no. you’re overstepping SO MANY fucking boundaries that i’d literally call the police on your stupid fucking stalker ass. what the actual fuck.

finally, cbb never forced me to try to kiss him, unlike mr stalker…. who whenever he got the chance, he’d grab my head and force me to kiss him…. and then gave me back the utterly disgusting & controlling GALL to tell me that i was “kissing wrong” and whinge/bitch that i “wasn’t into it”. and then he’d force me to kiss him again with a “im so sorry does this fix it 🥰🥺???” like NO???!!! forcefully kissing me DOES NOT FUCKING FIX ANYTHING YOU STUPID CUNT! please just get the FUCK away from me. like if you force me into anything, of course i’m not going to enthusiastically enjoy it??? and moreover, don’t you think it’s YOU who is “kissing wrong” (whatever the FUCK that bullshit actually means) and not me???? why do you think GRABBING MY HEAD and FORCING me to kiss you is appropriate in ANY of these situations????

just. to end this. to anyone and everyone, regardless of their gender/sexuality/age etc. NEVER trust anyone who uses the term “girlfriend material”/“boyfriend material”, to describe you, most especially when you’ve JUST MET them.

they’re using it as a means to control you and possibly trap you into an unhealthy (or potentially abusive) relationship like i would’ve had with my stalker/creeper. but most especially, this goes out to my younger followers, if i have any. be aware of this. watch out for the small red flags and run at the earliest time.

[dramaphan]

i think dan should drag his audience a little bit. as a treat.

cos like it still amazes me how people can watch BIG, hear him talk about how the intrusive questions and the general behaviour of his audience circa 2012 triggered his PTSD and how shitty it was to have his very private and important relationship invaded and all that, and how theres always a reason why someone isnt out and we cant demand being out from anyone and STILL turn around and go ship some more real people. like huh???

and like dan talked about how his audience helped and all that and thats great and amazing but he deserves to drag us now. just a little. idk shake some people. he probably wont do it since it would prob cause too much drama, but he should.

(also while were at it... hi phil you could like. drag us too yknow. you never got your chance to do so. nows the time dude)

Dan has talked on multiple occasions now about how our actions as a fandom negatively affected him, and how our actions positively affected him. Those things are allowed to coexist.

Yeah, maybe seeing in person how diverse his fan base is, hearing our stories of how he and his content helped us and inspired us to be our authentic selves, helped him come to terms with his own identity and gave him the courage to be his most authentic self as well.

But don’t you think that all might have happened a lot sooner if it wasn’t also for the fact that we stalked and harassed and bullied him, his family, and his friends, for years and years on end, trying to gather and exploit his personal information, and piece it all together to prove things about him that he wasn’t ready to publically share? Yeah we helped him come out of the closet in the end, but only after we spent years trying to force him out of it first.

And personally I would love to hear Dan talk about that. About those conflicting feelings he has towards us. He could write a whole book just about that.

[clownmoontoon]

Yes 'cancel culture' is bad. People can grow and change from their past self, including mistakes. Many have and will, but Vivzie at this point, has shown little remorse for her actions, and when confronted only makes excuses about racism, pedophilia, etc being 'opinions' and continues to cite anyone talking negatively about her as cancel culture. I really would like to support and love HH but she has made no clear effort to justify her past behaviour, whether or not it was in the past.

tbh i think shes just tired, she calls it cancel culture bc for the most part it is. theres entire hate blogs directed at her and her content. shes made an effort to apologize publicly several times and explain everything on every call out post but ppl dont wanna hear it and ultimately at some point she has to stop trying and just continue living and creating as best she can 

the show and content is probably just not for you!! and thats ok too!!

not everything is some big battle we gotta fight, blocking and blacklisting are your friends and i highly recommend them for cases such as these!

imo she seems genuine in her apologies and understandably angry and hurt that this keeps getting dug up over and over (ive been on tumblr since 2012 and ive seen vivzie call outs like once every 4 four years lsdlkjd) 

if her words didnt reach you the same way they reached me and her other fans and you interpreted her apologies as excuses then theres no reason to keep digging at it you know? its ok to not like her and its ok to not like her content, if you choose to believe the call outs thats entirely your rightful choice 

im answering these asks to let ppl know where i stand on the issue but im not really looking to argue or debate it. my minds already made up! i enjoy vivzie’s content and look forward to more! \ouo/

[cantbetoolemony]

unlisted/hard to find sorted viddies

now cook it ads i knead my dough sausage shake hot potatoes avocado-phobia

ben’s vlogs

lost and hungry snapchat stories 1 2 3 4 black chicken mushroom coffee kefir at home buying indian sweets making tofu

lost + hungry (some of these were decently glitchy when i watched so shoot me a msg if theyre Not glitchy for you or if you know how to resolve it) the Rules get involved here we go travelling to nyc coming to la scouting for meet ups officially lost and hungry incl. today show clip

today show lost+hungry la tacos austin brisket clam chowder bit of an intro vid “sorted teams up w today” eating tour of new orleans taste test clam chowder chicken and waffles

intros  mike jamie ben barry jon

bloopers celebrate out of the city 9 tips to make ur food better brothers riedell 5 ingredient chocolate cake

hidden recipe vids (most of these are from around 2012) vegan falafel balls (barry and ben) cinnamon beaver tails (ben and mike, barry has a Moment) fluffy strawberry mousse (barry, ben, and jon) secret veggie pasta bake (ben and jamie) creamy mushroom polenta (barry and ben) posh beans on toast (ben and jamie) vegetarian bean burgers (barry, ben, and jamie) pumpkin and pecan pie (barry, ben, and jamie) mediterranean halloumi and vegetables (ben and jamie) honeycomb with chocolate (barry and ben, jamie cameo) moroccan chicken tagine (barry and jon) beef in black bean (ben and jamie) spaghetti bolognaise (barry, ben, and jamie) chicken and mango curry (ben and jamie) greek salmon parcels (barry, ben, and jamie) indian salmon hash (barry and ben) poached salmon n watercress sauce (ben and jamie) breakfast muffins (barry, ben, and jamie) courgette and tarragon rosti with chicken (barry and ben) apple and ham eggs benny (ben, jamie, and mike) lemon zebra shortbread (barry and ben) stuffed chicken ballotine (ben and jamie) cosmo fool (barry, ben, and jamie) bbq cola steak (barry, ben, and jamie) “guilt free” banana crumble (ben and jamie) churros w chocolate coffee sauce (barry and ben) lemon meringue pie (barry and ben) mushroom and bacon canneloni (barry, ben, and jamie) salmon courgette linguini (ben and jamie) miso steak salad (barry and ben) bloody mary soup (ben and jamie) sticky maple duck (barry and ben)

other this ones an update but also mike sings a little handyman barry that you didnt know you needed an entry to a yt competition w great discussion of sorted’s origins cookware promo (barry ben and mike bants) nyc meet up announcement live recipe lab going deep with james ask jamie anything ask ben anything ask mike anything cooking gap 1 2 3 how to not make a cooking show 5 gadgets no one needs 2 electric boogaloo golf gets sorted uptown dunk (dough.... doughdoughdough) goodwood revival 

hard to find/not fully unlisted do u wanna build a snowman big night in - going solo  (this is the first in a series, the rest can only be watched with membership) big night in - livestream (hefty few hours) intro to chocolate series (discussion of mike’s travel curse) grilled podcast (aka first dates with mike, no need to be a member, about an hour long each) grilled 2.0 (gotta be a member for most of them, but you can listen to jamie’s) the @ the table series

aftertaste videos (this will be a .... long time til its complete) fridgecam q&a (after the caramel oaty bars vid) mike’s interview w the genie from aladdin (after the disney battle) chef’s table, maroon edition charlie mcdonnel grilled going out for taiwanese vlog 3 sauces for pizza chefs table w mike sri lankan hoppers jamie and mike make marmalade anatomy of a cow (jamie) fried chicken bounty bar samosas  garlic bread fried eggs james testing avo egg cups granola w ben perfect smoothie  more marshmallows better mashed potatoes british scones perfect pancakes ben’s cheesy challenge franken-donut  speccy fridge cam dating horror stories chefs houses electric shock cupcake decorating

on other channels halloween makeup (this isnt hidden at all, but i feel like some people would miss it by virtue of it not being on the sorted channel 😔 ) another makeup viddy sdkfj the infamous YEHAW video (watch it. you need to.) “one sortedfood guy and his piano”  well. mikes in it technically not quite a ted talk but man its close blindfold chocolate test chancellors teachers band (MIKE ! playing! music!) beginners get sorted book trailer vidcon 2011 backstage barry and jamie exhibiting some gd behaviour w the youtube button mike and rob singing i suppose? (i think mike is like, back up but idk im bad w voices)

there are a few videos with someone w negative aspects and from what i can tell things that surfaced were after these videos came out but ig thats the necessary disclaimer as to why they might be unlisted 1 2 3

[irregulardiaryposts]

00:53 21/06/2021

Hello again <3

so i think im gonna write about my mental health today because i dont feel like i have anyone who understands fully apart from myself maybe so i need to Organise my Thoughts. as a kid i had a pretty normal childhood, a mum a dad and a brother - pretty nuclear right. but as a child i felt like my family maybe wasnt quite right, that this wasnt supposed to be what family is? perhaps. - i was scared of my mum a lot because she wasnt very understanding of me - and i was a great kid, never getting into trouble, very good at school, no issues whatsover. the thing that really shows how i thought of my relationship with my mum was when i was like maybe 8 or so having a parents night and at it my teacher had nothing bad to say apart from i was kinda bossy in group settings (im sure i dont need to explain how misogynistic that actually is- i was not bossy i was a natural leader) and when i got home my mum told me off for that and i felt like she was kinda cold to me and not taking all the good things about me into consideration when telling me off for that.

i feel like thats a really defining moment in my life when i realised i cant expect adults to Understand me, realised how people treat young girls, also started my defiant behaviour maybe or was kinda one of the key moments that made me dislike certain authorities in my life, that if people wont understand me regardless of how i explain myself then i wont bother trying to be understood by people who wont matter to me. anyway yes i was scared of my mum-like petrified sometimes- but my dad wasnt great either, he also had his shortcomings. i feel like he never really cared about me like he was kinda apathetic towards raising me like a parent - i feel he would be better suited as an uncle to someone rather than a dad - the funny childish guy that makes kids laugh -not the uncaring dad that cant be bothered to really learn about his kids. and i feel im sitting here complaining about my parents when the fact is that a lot of adults should never be parents, society has conditioned people into thinking the only way to be fulfilled in life is to live vicariously through your kids when life gets to such a boring and monotonous place where you feel the need to create a new life to spice things up lmao. i feel a lot of parents regret having kids but they cannot express that regret because it was their choice and they should deal with that, also saying you regret it would be pretty horrible to the kid.

so while yes i am complaing about my parents i dont think they were Bad in any way just not that great yaknow. also i just notice all these things growing up and i feel its been pretty impactful to understanding myself and my parents. also just some anecdotes from my childhood - i used to watch my dad play video games like the uncharted games i think theyre called, and whenever i got scared i used to hide behind the couch until the scary part was over (usually a lot of guns and high energy fight scenes thats too much adrenaline for a 7 yo) and sometimes when i would take out my dad/brothers game i would get them to fo the hard parts and do other stuff myself - i dont remember many games i played apart from one of the spidermen games where u could just web around the city and not progress apart from sometimes you would come across some strippers and i accidently got into a fight with them (also hot women with umbrellas they use to fight- maybe i went near them on purpose) i would yell to my dad and get him to do it for me. also on new years eve whenever my mum was working and we werent going to any family parties we would make a bunch of food and put it out in the kitchen - wed make like homemade onion rings, chips, have crisps and dips, and a bunch of junk basically and watch like austin powers or some shit and genuinely miss those times they were so simple. but a lot of thats tainted now from what happened. also my brothers always been annoying as shit but when we were kids we couldnt be in the same room without arguing which like whatever thats how kids are esp brothers and sisters for some reason.

i think thats majority of the background needed for the rest. wait this is a little addition but i meant to mention this here so ill put it in- basically sometimes on holidays i would geniunely think my parents hate each other/ were getting a divorce like once when we were in florida in 2012 my dad convinced my mum (as well as me and my brother convinced her since we liked them) we convinced her to go on a water slide thing that u had to walk up the stairs for, it was outdoors, and it was kinda tall and then we got in one of the big donut things and it swooshed from side to side a lot and was generally pretty scary i suppose for someone who doesnt like rides esp since you had to hold on to the handles there were no buckles or anything, and so when we got off the ride my mum was big mad at my dad and like wouldnt talk to him and stuff like that which was pretty uncomfortable to have to be the 8 year old mediator of that but there was also another occasion i think (maybe also at florida) where they were made at each other and i asked my mum if they were getting divorced and all she said was 'ask ur dad' like???? no sort of consolation to this child who thinks their parents hate each other nooo just petty 'ask him' and theres also been other times when they fight/ are mad and they dont feel the need to hide it from us so i felt quite anxious around my parents sometimes.

so ahnyway . yes. when i had just turned 13 my parents split up and it fucked me up in a multitude of ways. also i cant beleive i stopped being a proper kid at 13, like as soon as i turned a teenager life hit me like a fucking truck. so the context as to why they split is still kinda lost to me ngl but they didnt tell me much anyway since i was young but my mum basically said my dad didnt love her anymore and he wanted to separate. its kinda funny because leading up to this my dad had been sleeping in the living room for like a few weeks and there was on and off fighting i could hear and i basically thought they were fighting over me and that i was in trouble and it kinda used to keep me up coz i could hear loud voices when they thought i was asleep- which is probably the cause of why i get veryyyy mad and angry when i hear my mum at like 1 am downstairs when shes drinking and im trying to sleep, probably something ive internalised (is that the word?) and made me respond so strongly to those type of noises.

anywayyyyy yes i thought i was in trouble when they were actually just getting a divorce so ... yeah you can really tell i was young and didnt understand adult issues or really couldnt figure this out myself from all the arguing and him sleeping downstairs lmao. anyway my dad moved out and it was just me my mum and my brother now and at this point my brother wouldve been about to turn 18, so although still kinda shit, not really as affected my it as a 13 yo, just to keep in mind. so i was devastated obviously and my whole world was kinda shattered but i had to hold it together a bit, also i was sometimes my mothers own therapist having to say things like 'everything happens for a reason' 'itll get better' in response to her deteriorating mental health and her questions that would be really hard for me to answer like 'why did he leave' etc (bish im a child be there for me not wallow in ur own pity, u have ur whole life to sort this out youre an adult, im a 13 you and only months away from wanting to kms hun think of ur CHILD please) anyway this left me feeling like a burden if i were to share my mental state because when my mum shared her stuff she was burdening me (AGAIN i was 13 she is an adult) so that made me bottle a lot of things up also the fact that i had no one to share it with because she works as a nurse and now shes a single mother and so she works almost all hours of most days and i dont see her much, my brother was either working at this time or just didnt give enough of a shit about me to make sure i ate.

i went from being catered to for every meal because i didnt know how to cook to suddenly no one being there for me so i had to learn how to do it myself. needless to say that lead to a bunch of unhealthy eating habbits like eating the same things every day - frozen pizza, cheese toasties, i cant think of anything else probs because i didnt make anything else just ate chocolates or didnt eat breakfast coz i woke up at 2pm. just general unhealthyness both in substance and like how healthy that was for my head yk. also this is during the summer btw so it gave me the option to be incredibly depressed - im not saying that as an edgy teen thing to say im being 100% genuine i was very depressed like textbook style - not eating or overeating, not showering/ taking care of myself, extreme lack of energy and hated doing social things coz i had to put on a farce that i was okay meanwhile i couldnt wait to get into my bed and sleep the next day and a half away.

i very vividly remember at the start of the summer holiday my friend asked me if i wanted to go out and do something and i rememeber just crying at that because i had no reason to say no but i just didnt want to and felt like i couldnt do anything and so i lied and said i wasnt feeling well and then put my phone down and curled up in my bed and cried coz i was frustrated and upset and i couldnt really understand what was wrong with me and why i was Like This.

god i didnt take into account how tired i was and how late it is when i started this huh, this isnt even half of it, but i have obligations in the mornign, the last until uni or whatever so ill put this in my drafts and finsih it somethime. alrigtht it is 02:08 btw z_z. also ive just now decided im gonna re organise my tumblr so if this ends up being an actual blog thing i can navigate it easier by adding tags and such. anywau goodnight.

20:21 30/06/2021

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so

23:01- well. yes earlier i wrote a little about the ages 13-16 and how they sucked but whatever it got deleted the more pertinent stuff happened in the last year or so anyway.

um yeah so i started the last year of highschool as a 16 year old with a fucked up brain and never having learned any study techniques or work ethic in the slightest. i took 3 uni-level courses only one i actually wanted to do, most people take 2 at most or even 1/0 but do other classes. honestly it fucking sucked this year for school but i scraped all passes so thank god for that. so i started the year quite optimistic, or as much as i could be and in all fairness the content of this year wasnt actually that bad considering i was doing 3 hard classes but corona really truly fucked everything up and by November i had mentally dropped out of my classes but of course i still had to go to them. i feel like im an oddly independent teen because ive never had a solid parental presence in a while, like i had to do a lot for myself and maybe i should thank myself for getting me through it all because i really did pull through.

my thoughts keep drifting from what im writing coz i wanna talk about different things and im just thinking maybe i shouldve just posted the last one then added a reblog when i could be bothered to write and not force myself because if theres ever a reoccurring theme in my life is that if i force myself to do anything i will hate it with my entire being, so maybe i should just do a short synopsis and write about something else afterwards.

so i took 3 hard classes, slowly lost all motivation because in jan it switches to online classes and i could Not deal with those it was horrible, and i became more of a "troublesome student" in one of my classes *cough* maths *cough* and almost got "kicked out" of taking the class just because the teacher was a control freak but like wanted to control all of our actions and behaviour, also i think i may have adhd and another kid in my class i think he does too and surprise surprise the teacher "dislikes" him too but its only a farce because he doesnt actually dislike him its only so that i cant call him out for singling me out when other students behave "badly" too. but anyways maybe ill come back to this in a while when i can be arsed explaining my complicated relationship with my parents.

the only reason i wanted to write this today was so that i could tag the post with like june 2021 or something and not june/july, but i might make another post later, Anyway happy end of pride month i supose, hope u figure it out me!

[exposingdragons]

#TH3_DRAGONS_D3N PERISCOPES.

The Dragons Den used to make Periscope videos once a month and then later on oncer a week to discuss Child Pornography Issues. However, in reality, the were used to attack Patriots, slander them and accuse them of horrendous things. Danielle Hutton would accuse Razor, Loki, Rusty, and othe Patriots of controlling all the child pornography sites "on the webz". These Persicopes later on went from talking about Child Ponography issues to Danielle's "business". She forgot the children and started promoting her Artz, her paintings and her jewelery and merchandise on Etsy. Herea are some of her Periscopes broken Down.

PERISCOPE 1:

https://www.pscp.tv/_7H3D3N/1lDxLgPDwvPJm

58:40 minutes

56:00 my son is downstairs so if you hear screaming thats him

52:27 she threatens the guy who she had online affair with when he was 19 the 1 she accused of posting her nudes & is claiming she's back sexting with him again going to tell his fiancee

53:07 son 1st screams she ignores while cussing to audience

53:13 son screams

53:18 son screams

53:20 son screams music playin in the back ground while she rants about being a pedo hunter

53:28 son cryin sounds like he's kickin or shaking something. she says thats my son so im gonna go. but doesn't. continues on 5 more minutes

55:31 he screams out again while she rants

56:58 he screams again

57:15 screams again

58:38 finally says gonna go be with her son

PERISCOPE 2:

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ypKdwMqrjqxW?t=27m2s

7 24 2020 34:06 min

mainly promoting her shit she's selling

4:28 small women owned business got license last month

8:00 slow low energy can tell havin trouble keepin train of thought,slurs trips over words

12:00 claims law officers,professionals,dr,preacher

13:24 talks to children on streets,county,barter fairs,art walks to sell her merch

13:44 jewelry glass medicine jars in dispensories at Washington state

15:25 all $$ goes back to saving kids, business cards,poster boards keepin website up

15:33 35% of every single dollar goes to child sex traffic victims mainly homes

for women,free our girls org. project rescue children.

17:00 trudy donates supplies for windchimes and stickers 300$

17:18 says goes to fairs pays entry fees on her own Bs

18:17 new workbook,puzzles,little safety tips,coloring pages put on amazon. doc put on for $3.75 amazing story about a dragon named Dani

18:44 kid comes out so she goes on for almost 15 more minutes with video

19:03 he's crying she saying wheres daddy cant have sons face on here but too bad muah video

19:11 smirk smiles says he misses me. you pos

19:15 apologizes to ppl watching..fuckin kill me

19:38 says my poor babys cryin dont have your kids on internet while continuing to smile

22:00 just set up donation link smockery already had a paypal

22:26 she'll give 10% vouchers off anyting on her website if you donate cause she's nice like that.

25:00 meds are kickin in its a job

25:56 turned it in to a job,1 day hope to pay my hunters

27:20 workin with her is hard she has a bad temper,wants things done her way.

27:54 if you dont have the work done I'll kick you out or make you feel stupid for lying to her.

28:00 have to talk to her on the phone so she can get a feel for you & your info

29:00 reported to FBI

30:00 vpn so FBI cant track you its a job

PERISCOPE 3: DANIELLE CANNOT PROVIDE PROOF OF WHAT SHE ALLEGES.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/cZSXmTF4a2pEQnllZWxvUXp8MWxEeExnUER3dlBKbT-BQ7Xcq4PK4fdrc5VtuJ0sgpTZ_ak7R28hcPhvjjIT

PERISCOPE 4: DANIELLE ADMITS TO WATCING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

https://www.pscp.tv/_7H3D3N/1djxXoElZYyJZ

In one of her Periscopes you will see on eof Danielle's Heroin spoon burnt with cig filter for syphoning impurities while cooking smack. Still shot was taken from a live periscope.

PERISCOPE 5: BIG MONEY SCHEME BY DANIELLE AND THE DRAGONS.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1ypKdwMqrjqxW?t=27m2s

7 24 2020 34:06 min

mainly promoting her shit she's selling

4:28 small women owned business got license last month

8:00 slow low energy can tell havin trouble keepin train of thought,slurs trips over words

12:00 claims law officers,professionals,dr,preacher

13:24 talks to children on streets,county,barter fairs,art walks to sell her merch

13:44 jewelry glass medicine jars in dispensories at Washington state

15:25 all $$ goes back to saving kids, business cards,poster boards keepin website up

15:33 35% of every single dollar goes to child sex traffic victims mainly homes

for women,free our girls org. project rescue children.

17:00 trudy donates supplies for windchimes and stickers 300$

17:18 says goes to fairs pays entry fees on her own Bs

18:17 new workbook,puzzles,little safety tips,coloring pages put on amazon. doc put on for $3.75 amazing story about a dragon named Dani

18:44 kid comes out so she goes on for almost 15 more minutes with video

19:03 he's crying she saying wheres daddy cant have sons face on here but too bad muah video

19:11 smirk smiles says he misses me. you pos

19:15 apologizes to ppl watching..fuckin kill me

19:38 says my poor babys cryin dont have your kids on internet while continuing to smile

22:00 just set up donation link smockery already had a paypal

22:26 she'll give 10% vouchers off anyting on her website if you donate cause she's nice like that.

25:00 meds are kickin in its a job

25:56 turned it in to a job,1 day hope to pay my hunters

27:20 workin with her is hard she has a bad temper,wants things done her way.

27:54 if you dont have the work done I'll kick you out or make you feel stupid for lying to her.

28:00 have to talk to her on the phone so she can get a feel for you & your info

29:00 reported to FBI

30:00 vpn so FBI cant track you its a job

PERISOCPE 6: DANIELLE AND THE DRAGONS ATTACKINT THE REAL DARK JUDGES.

https://www.pscp.tv/_7H3D3N/1rmGPYwzEBjJN

7 09 2020 26:18 minute video

*3:17 heroin addict for 10 yrs spent 7 of that in prison

child sexual abuse a few Xs over

*3:36 says been sober for 6 yrs in October

7:57 spends all her free time away from my children and even with my children doing this

video where she d0xes dark judge threatens him calls him a pedo 9:00

9:00 dog barkin kids hollering while she talks about droppin pedos on islands die slowly

11:03 kid screams out

11:12 kid yells again

16:37 business we want bumper stickers etc

*17:31 says picture judge is posting is over 8yrs old she just got out of prison would make 2012 when she got out

18:20 provides proof of what she says

22:30 threatens person online and his mom and dad sayin she will have ppl hunt you down

PERISCOPE 7: DANIELLE CRIES BECAUSE SHE WAS CAUGHT IN HER BAD BEHAVIOURS.

https://www.pscp.tv/TH3D3N0fficial/1jMJgvyqBgAGL

PERISCOPE 8: DANIELLE ADDRESSING COMMENTS AND CONCERNS.

https://www.pscp.tv/_7H3D3N/1kvKpeZAjLgGE

[somnilogical]

ratheka: unjustly banned somni to preempt protest of their unjust banning of emma, which is unjust

emma was protesting cfar instructor davis tower kingsley. this davis tower kingsley:

<<memento mori: Masturbation is considered grave matter, so if someone masturbates with full knowledge that this is wrong and deliberately consents to it then yes, this is a mortal sin, and if they do not repent of it then yes, they will go to hell.>>

<<dirk: like… “only unrepentant sinners go to hell” is not comforting to unrepentant sinners

TowerNumberNine: it is certainly comforting relative to the doctrine of “homosexuals are damned and cursed and cannot possibly repent” which many have sadly encountered>>

and more here: https://everythingtosaveit.how/#davis-tower-kingsley and there is much more than is even written there which those in possession of akashic records or discord logs may give an account of.

i will not repent and submit to pope anna salamon kingsley.

kingsley is in no way a warrior for social justice. yes they are an instructor at “the center for applied rationality”, no there is not some unintuitive deeply wise reason for this. its just what cfar is at this point. “taxing transfems for existing and transferring resources to cisfems” is talking about something zack davis said.

transcript of emma and kingsley: https://0bin.net/paste/teXP7x-IJot61kro#0ZAkytrL7DWmMM8HRFdgdgGS4vV6d7aifuR9Kf8sqkX

[A/N: i didnt say anything this entire time, then found emma and somni were banned, then later found i was unbanned and so was emma. kingsley was also banned.]

somni talks with ratheka:

#discourse-and-debate

[10:56] 𒀭 💮: @Ratheka for what just reason did you ban me from this server?

[11:03] 𒀭 💮: what did i do?

i think you should hand in your badge and gun, resign from the force. as far as i can tell, there was no just cause for this aggression.

[11:05] LeoTal: Er, sorry, are you ban-evading? Or do you mean "banned and just unbanned"?

[11:10] 𒀭 💮: i do not wish to speak with you, answer your questions, or sign or hand you any documents based on my 5th amendment rights under the united states constitution.

i choose to exercise my constitutional rights.

[11:12] Ratheka: In expectation of having exactly this argument, s/me/emma

[11:12] 𒀭 💮: in expectation of me protesting being unjustly banned, you unjustly banned me?

[11:12] 𒀭 💮: that makes no sense

[11:12] Ratheka: This is not the united states, the constitution does not in fact bind leo, who afaik doesn't even live in the states

[11:13] deluks917: Somni you got unbanned. The moderators made a mistake and we corrected it reasonably quickly.

[11:13] 𒀭 💮: would you violate my 5th amendment rights?

[11:13] Ratheka: You can choose not to talk to him, but that's not the same as exercising the fifth.  It's the first; speech and association

[11:13] LeoTal: I was just trying to clarify in case I misunderstood the meaning. Sorry for shitstirring, shutting up now.

[11:13] deluks917: Please let this go

[11:14] 𒀭 💮: why was i banned?

[11:16] conifer: why was somni banned, i'd like to know that too?

[11:20] deluks917: Ratheka predicted Somni would get angry because Emma was banned and post disruptive things. This is not (imo) a good reason to ban someone even if Emma's ban was justified (imo it was not). Given this Somni was unbanned in about a day.

[11:21] deluks917: Idk what you really want us to do here. We already reversed the bans.

[11:23] 𒀭 💮: ratheka predicted correctly that i would object to an unjust banning of emma. destroying opposition so they cannot protest your poor decisions is wrong.

i want justice, i want ratheka's ability to ban people removed from them. i want them to hand in their badge and gun and resign from the force.

[11:24] 𒀭 💮: if people's ability to ban others is not affected by abuse of power for unjust ends, there is no check on abuse of power. there is no differential incentive between banning justly and banning unjustly.

and you get people like ratheka who ban people in anticipation of their opposition to unjust rulings.

[11:28] 𒀭 💮: saying that things are fine because other humans corrected ratheka's mistake and why are you worrying about stuff is wrong.

i want things to be such that if ratheka knew what would happen downstream of unjustly banning someone and then banning any vocal opposition to their choice, that they would not unjustly ban someone in the first place.

[11:38] 𒀭 💮: otherwise you are as moral as a police force at each step pays some restitution to compensate for a cop who unjustly destroy peoples property, but never fires them for their unjust behaviour. encourages people to work around those who wish to do unjust things and then neutralize anyone who they think might protest against their immoral actions. as some sort of missing stair. http://pervocracy.blogspot.com/2012/06/missing-stair.html (its unrepresentative that the cops would pay restitution.)

"oh thats just ratheka, sometimes they ban people and then ban people they expect to oppose their ban, you just have to work around them. yeah they can still ban people."

you could say this is silly and the scope of this problem is small and why do you care? but

1 if the scope of this is small does that not apply evenly to all things, would not the scope of removing ratheka's ability to ban people also be small?

2 its important to work things out algorithmically at all scales, so you get things right. the problem of choice in getting things right when theres different amounts of utility at stake, for the same thing, is equivalent. getting the trolly problem right is the same choice whether it deals with the lives of 6 people or 6000000000 people. https://somnilogical.tumblr.com/post/174174621274/wetradelives-felt-mildly-bad-about-my-url

[11:48] 𒀭 💮: the unjust silencing of dissent against authoritarianism, is wrong. then silencing people expected to dissent to the unjust silencing of dissent against authoritarianism is 2x wrong.

my mom grew up in uruguay, her parents were political dissidents, they were put in jail for 6 days and warned that the next time they would be jailed for 6 years. both anyone who dissented and anyone who spoke up for those who dissented risked getting disappeared. they left uruguay, immigrated to america and now she writes books and papers on the regime's gaslighting.

it was unjust when this happened on the scale of a country, it is unjust when this happens on the scale of a discord server.

[11:51] 𒀭 💮: there was no just cause for what ratheka did, but there can be justice for things done for no just cause.

[11:52] purrtrandrussell: I think you have a point, somni, but I'd rather give Ratheka another chance. I think she's learned from her mistake.

[11:52] deluks917: I agree Somni has a point.

[11:52] purrtrandrussell: like if this became a pattern it would be really bad

[11:52] purrtrandrussell: but first offense and all

[11:54] purrtrandrussell: Pragmatically, distributing the amount of work between mods is pretty valuable, given all of us have stuff to do, not a ton of time, etc. and I don't really want to increase the total labor load per person on something I expect to be a one-off thing

[11:57] 𒀭 💮: i dont. ratheka didnt articulate why what they did was unjust.

when i said that i held by the 5th amendment they were like "that doesnt apply here" rather than like respect the rights i asserted.

which is a thing ive encountered with other people who then tried to find other ways to violate my rights.

aaa its kind of absurd that a small discord server is too big to fail??? like justice should come first in logical time (the order in which logical structure in a venacular sense "principles" are considered) and then you find new mods downstream of this instead of flipped around.

[11:58] 𒀭 💮: like, i think you could find one person here to take on this workload in ratheka's stead.

[11:59] purrtrandrussell: So, if you look at what Ratheka said, she didn't dispute that you had a right to not talk to leo if you didn't want to, she was nitpicking about whether or not this qualified as a fifth amendment thing

[11:59] purrtrandrussell: "You can choose not to talk to him, but that's not the same as exercising the fifth.  It's the first; speech and association"

[11:59] Ratheka: So:

Somni, I specifically and without pushing from anyone save you, just now, honestly apologize to you. I agree that my actions were unjust. I stated my belief as such shortly after I took it, and presented to argument to reversing it.  Yes, I fucked up, and I am, in fact, regretful. I did not think that an apology would provide you with any satisfaction, so I did not offer it, but I do in fact intend to do better in future.

The fifth amendment is the right to refuse to answer questions when talking to agents of the government so that you do not incriminate yourself.

[12:00] 𒀭 💮: why was what you did unjust?

[12:01] Ratheka: Because I was trying to reduce the amount of attention I needed to pay, and vexation suffer, by exercising power in a way that had not been justified by your actions taken in this case.

[12:09] 𒀭 💮: thats not really why, nor does it differentiate between what you did to me and what you did to emma. one is doing a wrong thing and another is a marginal act made to cover up that you did a wrong thing.

you did not just act out of akrasia, you also engaged in a coverup.

i dont believe you and expect this will happen again, good-harting over repeating this exact scenario the way that slavery is banned, but immigrant "farmworkers" are treated as "not technically, legally, slaves" but are slaves with ICE acting as slavehunters.

i do not accept this apology, expected low probability that i would a priori, but there is always some chance for this to be wrong.

[12:10] 𒀭 💮: like fuck you didnt act out of "akrasia" i just imported the lie you presented. what you said is a lie.

[12:10] Ratheka: 'akrasia'?

[12:10] Ratheka: I know the word

[12:10] Ratheka: I want to know where I claimed it.

[12:11] 𒀭 💮: "I was trying to reduce the amount of attention I needed to pay, and vexation suffer" this is a lie

[12:12] 𒀭 💮: you were not overburdened with things and then doing stuff out of your attention being overwhelmed or lack of willpower or laziness

[12:12] 𒀭 💮: people who say they silenced people because "they didnt want to deal with hassel, its too much work, you are causing too much disruption" are usually lying

[12:13] Ratheka:

you were not overburdened with things and then doing stuff out of your attention being overwhelmed

How would you know what my burden is?

I sought to avoid having my attention pulled into a discussion congruent if not isomorphic to this one, about emma.

[12:13] 𒀭 💮: because you are still, now, at every step resisting justice. saying that you didnt say the word "akrasia" when this is an accurate descriptor of the thing you said.

[12:14] 𒀭 💮: you claimed a failure of willpower due to being overwhelmed. i disbelieve this.

[12:15] Ratheka: I disagree.

Further, as I am in fact burdened, and have stuff to do that I think is likely to yield higher value for anyone than me being in this conversation, I am stepping away from it. Should the other mods feel I need to step down, I will. I would recommend not extensively harassing them about this? But in the end the choice of actions to take from here is yours.

[12:16] 𒀭 💮: i can see into you ratheka

your words are as empty as your soul

[12:17] 𒀭 💮: you are saying "i cant prove your motive" you are saying that your "injustice" was simply weakness of will. you are trying to divert blame at every step.

[12:18] deluks917: Also looks like the answer to 'Idk what you really want us to do here.' is demod Ratheka.

[12:21] 𒀭 💮: you have not admitted to any logical structure of injustice. i claim there was an algorithm that output this. and the algorithm was not "sometimes i get overwhelmed and i randomly decided to ban somni and emma"

you banned emma unjustly and then you banned somni unjustly to cover up what you did. this isnt accounted for by being "overwhelmed" this is a distinct unjust algorithm.

[12:21] purrtrandrussell: Somni, I do think you have a point, but please refrain from personal insults ("your words are as empty as your soul")

[12:23] 𒀭 💮: one which you have not acknowledged and expect will not repeal.

if you think i have a point, then why not de-mod ratheka and mod someone who doesnt do this stuff? who doesnt at each step try and destroy knowledge of injustice, tries to blur it all into a weakness of will when trying to cover up the unjust things you have done is not weakness of will or being overwhelmed.

[12:25] 𒀭 💮: like? i was banned because ratheka tried to cover up their unjust acts against protest. not because ratheka did some random act while overwhelmed!

[12:27] 𒀭 💮: ratheka is not acknowledging this stuff as wrong.

[12:27] purrtrandrussell: I think you have a point, I just disagree that this is worth de-moding over, there's a general principle I want to follow about not punishing on the first offense. (I also don't think banning Emma was particularly egregious, I do think she stepped out of line, it was a judgement call, and while I think that temp-muting would have  been better and believe reversing the ban was just, I don't consider banning to be especially poor judgement)

[12:28] purrtrandrussell: (also I should get back to work myself, so, this is gonna be an asynchronous conversation on my end)

[12:28] 𒀭 💮: i think it was especially unjust. do you think ratheka banning me was especially unjust?

[12:28] 𒀭 💮: ratheka expects you to cover for them, does not want to directly engage with me.

[13:05] 𒀭 💮: LeoTal accused me of committing a crime in local law.

<<The Fifth Amendment dealing with a person's right against self-incrimination, which applies not only when they're on the witness stand in court but in any context. Citizens have the right not to speak to the police and say things that might incriminate themselves.>>

it was entirely appropriate to invoke the 5th when someone acts like a cop and you do not want to talk with them.

[13:07] 𒀭 💮:

[13:07] 𒀭 💮: https://theievoice.com/red-cards-and-constitutional-rights/

[13:10] 𒀭 💮: in a counterfactual world in which this were not true, this cards that civil liberties advocates distributed to people would be printed in error.

and i would want to immediately inform them of this.

i dont think they were actually printed in error, except the error in thinking that the cops respond to the law.

so what i said about the 5th amendment was correct. even though the internet is not america, i will still invoke american ideals i agree with. will still reference life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[13:22] 𒀭 💮: "except in cases where it infringes on others", or equivalently, "for all". which runs closure on the operation in a similar way that the logical closure of "dont kill a person" during triage or in a trolly problem situation involves things which are locally killing one person to save five others.

which is a logical propagation of "dont kill a person" even though a subset of the pattern "killing one person" (to save five) contradicts the base case "dont kill a person" you extrapolate from.

its possible to perform this operation. the united states as it is currently, is not doing this. no state is.

[13:23] 𒀭 💮: (the us also has never done this in its entire history)

[14:11] 𒀭 💮: so this was correct and ratheka attempted to erode my ability to assert this right. "it could have been different" if the comment was made as an orphaned optimization process. or if say emma was saying it to me id on priors i would expect differently.

but rathekas orientation during this was to erode my ability to discern and resist injustice. their only defense is an expectation of keeping schelling reach high, retreating to a claim / attempted social agreement that you 'cant prove intent'. but i can prove intent, its not some separate special section of reality where inferences no longer apply. its made of atoms like everything else.

when someone being arrested shoots themselves several times in the back of the head, cops will say that you cant prove this. [A/N: should be something like "cant prove they didnt do this"] but actually i can form accurate beliefs about this without camera footage. and if you rely on damaging your epistemics and existing with people under a social agreement that intent cant be proved past a certain point. then someone from a culture with much higher schelling reach or who has practiced inference to a finer degree can come in and see into your soul.

just like people from cultures with higher schelling reach than police departments can see through their lies. similarly with most government agencies like ICE and customs and border patrol.

[14:12] 𒀭 💮: <<Congressional representatives, such as Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., have taken notice, NPR reported. After John Ghazvinian, am Iranian-born US citizen, was detained and asked “how I feel about the situation with Iran,” Jayapal accused CPB of “playing semantics.”

“It was very lengthy screening with no ability to leave. So whether you want to call that detention or something else is up to you. But the core fact of the matter remains,” Jayapal said. “This seemed to be a directive to pull aside anybody of Iranian American descent.”>>

https://medium.com/citizen-truth/cbp-appears-to-have-lied-in-leaked-memo-directed-staff-to-detain-travelers-with-iranian-links-bb0e9d555f71

customs and border patrol expected collusion from other government agencies on how 'their statement was correct because holding iranian americans for having iranian heritage for hours and questioning them on their loyalty to america isnt "detention"'. ratheka is doing a similar kind of playing semantics when they are like 'i never said the word "akrasia"' even though this is an accurate summary of the motive they claimed and they didnt dispute this. just at each step trying to find some way to muck things up. same with the 5th amendment thing when they knew what right i was asserting, wanted to tear that down, and it happens in this world i was also semantically (aka with low schelling reach) right and they were semantically wrong. and asserting this right is correct when questioned as i was questioned. whether that was the case or not is irrelevant to the larger problem of iteratively trying to erode what things you can communicate so you cant communicate precise information about the unjust algorithms ratheka was implementing.

[14:12] 𒀭 💮: ratheka attempts the same erasure of ability to communicate more nuanced things by attributing their deliberate cover up to some generic failure of will, which does not encode the algorithm which was unjust. it only encodes that having a failure of will when its not warranted is wrong. which is intentionally generic and isnt actionable criticism.

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#meta

[11:10] LeoTal: User @𒀭 💮 appears to be making trouble of some kind in #discourse-and-debate and a @General moderator should probably take a look at that

[11:57] purrtrandrussell: I wouldn't characterize her actions as making trouble. She's just expressing her concerns about the moderation and making requests as to the governance of the server.

[12:01] LeoTal: Someone is in fact taking a look at that and I am satisfied

[12:34] 𒀭 💮: the answer to "why was i banned?" was "i was banned by @Ratheka to cover up their unjust banning of @emma., preemptively, because they expected me to protest this unjust banning."

this is wrong. ratheka has not acknowledged why covering up injustice in this way is wrong. a just response to this is to remove ratheka's ability to ban people before they engage in another cover-up of unjust activities.

[12:36] 𒀭 💮: it was wrong pre-emptively and it would still be wrong post-emptively.

[12:46] conifer:

>But it would have been reasonable to at least stick around a few days to see if the ban gets reversed.

It could be reasonable, sure, but it's also reasonable not to? There's value in leaving promptly and returning iff things are fixed. It demonstrates willingness to use Exit. It's less fakeable than "well, i will leave the server if xyz not fixed", which risks forgetting, or people not believing you, etc.

It does come at the cost that you're not present in the meantime to argue your points

[12:57] 𒀭 💮: every injustice will be accounted for by the end. when every hair is numbered like every grain of sand. debts will be settled, scales will be balanced, the veil between the living and the dead will be torn down.

karma, like all mathematical principles, does not forget and will not forgive any error.

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i agree that immediate exodus of all people with a just orientation who expect subjunctive dependence and who are not currently operating as spies (real spies, not "inner emmigrants" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_emigration) in protest of injustice is good praxis.

all those who left in protest of an obvious injustice acted well. do not support people following a policy of "waiting around" for some organization in expectation that it will do a just thing. rather than notice that there is no response and then kind of sort of forget it because "it was in the past, whats done is done, what are you making such a big fuss about? it isnt appropriate to be causing so much trouble" as is the default course.

an organization which protects the ability of a mod who bans people for no just reason, only to cover up dissent, is not one to extend this sort of uncertainty or "benefit of the doubt" that they will work any differently than default.

[A/N: kingsley remained banned]

[mattress-on-the-floor]

Subculture, Misogyny & Dating Skaters

*wheels roll against concrete in the distance, a chill blows through the air*

@Tinyhat_skatelife

nothing gives you quite the loud exhale of air through your nostrils like a heavily relatable meme. especially when those memes feel like they could have sprung from your own dang fingertips regarding every single date you’ve been on in Vancouver in the last two years. when I first stumbled upon @tinyhat_skatelife, i knew I had found a corner of the internet that understood what it is to date skaters. I first thought that the trials I was experiencing while dating were specific to the east van niche, but this account allowed me to expand my knowledge beyond the giant neon crucifix on Clark and 6th and know the unsettling truth - the tinyhats are everywhere.

‘hello hi - what the fuck is a tinyhat?’

glad you asked! a tinyhat is a variation of toque (or beanie, hello american friends) rolled up so aggressively high that it really is doing none of the job it intended to do - as the QUINTESSENTIAL factor of this concept is that each one of the ear tips remain uncovered. Essentially, the physical form of the tinyhat works to cover as few square inches of the noggin as possible without *pop* flying right off.

(retrieved from @tinyhat_skatelife)

the deeper meaning of the tinyhat, however, comes from within the hearts and minds of the main user demographic: skaters and softbois. through the lives and experiences of these wearers, the tinyhat can now often be associated with leaving your text messages on read, listening to (male) obscure indie artists on vinyl (then mansplaining music to you), shooting 35mm and never shutting up about it, and owning uninspiring tinder pages full of skate photos with no bio.

this instagram page has done a deep dive into the idiosyncrasies of skate culture, outlining different stereotypes with scarily specific starterpacks that almost always nail down the ways in which these types of TH’s will inevitably ghost you.

(Retrieved from @tinyhat_skatelife)

the creator of @Tinyhat_Skatelife has stated in a recent article by Vice  that while this account targets a niche audience, dating and hookup culture in this current time makes for some solidly relatable content - which makes sense seeing as her account now has over 59k followers.

from a wider perspective, noting what this has to say about the impact of hegemonic masculinity on a niche scale is really important. skate and indie art culture is PACKED full of toxic masculinity that tends to manifest in a lot of exclusion (hello, homosocial environments like the skatepark), and it works to normalize shitty male behaviour within the realm of dating as something to not only be expected, but often excused and accepted as an inevitability. and although Hasinoff (2012) suggest that in certain cases online dating interactions may provide some advantages for women (p. 455), we still have to grapple with the fact that the men in these environments tend to get away with a lot more, with a lot less accountability (patriarchy rears its ugly head once more).

(Retrieved from @tinyhat_skatelife)

@TheBoyandHisDickies

and on that note…

masculinity in skate culture still remains as a fragile concept that is still under pressure to be performed in a toxic manner. @Tinyhat_Skatelife’s page allows a bit of a catharsis for those who get involved in this (still highly, highly heteronormative subculture, on the male side of things) while still calling out the ridiculous behaviour from both sides of the coin.

The Boy and His Dickies also works this angle with a subtle ferociousness that honestly feels like a post from your funniest, most culturally tapped-in friend who just simply gets it.

(Retrieved from @theboyandhisdickies)

oh boy do I like a multi-referential cultural nuance when it calls out problematic hegemonic maleness through a traditionally feminine medium of literature.

amiright?

The Boy and His Dickies uses the same poetic format of massively successful internet poet Rupi Kaur while replacing the words and messages with pointed and hilarious commentary on skate culture by focusing primarily on the trials of dating male skaters. the admins of this account have admitted to forging this product out of a desire to use the medium of ‘tumblr poetry’ to highlight both emotionally unavailable, fake woke and slightly misogynistic skater boys, as well as the ones who find themselves hopelessly attracted to them.

((Retrieved from @theboyandhisdickies)

the poems can often feel like a battlecry for those who know the utter disappointment that comes with yet another underwhelming dating experience, inevitably either ending with a mattress on the floor and likely a swift bout of ghosting.

((Retrieved from @theboyandhisdickies)

bigger than that however, what @TheBoyAndHisDickies and @Tinyhat_skatelife do is contribute to the continually strengthening rhetoric within the world of “networked feminism”(Breheny 2017 p. 37). The accessibility and ‘relatability’ of this content allows for users to engage in this route of participatory culture and work through the specific levels of misogyny it calls out, while also reflecting on their own actions when it comes to dating and interacting within these specific subcultures. these accounts work off of both irony and exhaustion to keep everyone engaged with the experiences they highlight aware of their actions and how they impact other people. this sense of awareness and self-reflection, in my opinion, can only contribute to the greater good of dismantling the leak of hegemonic  masculinity into these subcultures that thrive off of deviating from the norm.

if we call out the bullshit, maybe thats when things start to change for better. for now, i’ll keep laughing at the memes that so perfectly describe what it’s like dating in East Van.

Sources:

Breheny, C. (2017). “By Any Memes Necessary” Exploring the Intersectional ... Retrieved from http://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1113531/FULLTEXT01.pdf.

Haidari, Niloufar. “Memes That Perfectly Skewer Dickhead Skater Boys.” Vice, April 8, 2019. https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/nexap8/memes-that-perfectly-skewer-dickhead-skater-boys.

Hasinoff, Amy (2012) “Sexting as Media Production: Rethinking Social Media and Sexuality.” New Media and Society 15.4

Sung, Morgan. “The Skate Culture Parody of Instagram Poets Calls out Bad Men.” Mashable. Mashable, December 11, 2018. https://mashable.com/article/instagram-poet-skate-culture-the-boy-and-his-dickies/.

[eternallyimaginative]

Nevermore by Kelly Craigh

Book: Nevermore

Author: Kelly Craigh

Publisher:  Atheneum Books for Young Readers

Release Date:   August 31st 2010

Format: Paperback

Pages: 543

Started Reading: March 22, 2019

Finished Reading: March 26, 2019

Summary (supplied from GoodReads):   Cheerleader Isobel Lanley is horrified when she is paired with Varen Nethers for an English project, which is due—so unfair—on the day of the rival game. Cold and aloof, sardonic and sharp-tongued, Varen makes it clear he’d rather not have anything to do with her either. But when Isobel discovers strange writing in his journal, she can’t help but give this enigmatic boy with the piercing eyes another look. Soon, Isobel finds herself making excuses to be with Varen. Steadily pulled away from her friends and her possessive boyfriend, Isobel ventures deeper and deeper into the dream world Varen has created through the pages of his notebook, a realm where the terrifying stories of Edgar Allan Poe come to life. As her world begins to unravel around her, Isobel discovers that dreams, like words, hold more power than she ever imagined, and that the most frightening realities are those of the mind. Now she must find a way to reach Varen before he is consumed by the shadows of his own nightmares. His life depends on it.

My Thoughts: Honestly, I had read this book back in 2012 from my local public library, but due to due dates I couldn’t finish it. I then purchased the books in time so that I could re-read them. But, obviously until recently I never had a chance. I would try to pick Nevermore up again, and for some reason always just after the ice cream shop scene. I think other stuff was just  distracting me.

Of course, I picked it up again and I refused to let anything distract me. I read through it with in 7 days due to work and the like. And, guess what...I didn’t really want to put it down. I would constantly be thinking that I wanted to read rather than go into work, but of course I need to work to pay my bills. 

Nevermore is the type of book that you really have to have patience with when you get about half-way through. Its not a bad thing...its just that the build of of stuff tends to wear you down and you get impatient. I found this with the other books too. Yet, its that build up that you need. So, that you can get more enjoyment out of the parts that you really are looking forward to. 

The characters I found were quite dynamic considering the story that was being told. Isobel is a cheerleader, but she’s not a bobble head like your mind would like to stereotype. And, and with that it brings me to her future love interest in the book. Varen Nethers, he’s a goth kid, and as you can now imagine when I mentioned sterotypes...that exactly what Isobel did...she stereotyped Varen when she was placed as his partner for an English project that they did on Poe. Over time she begins to find out more about Varen. It could partially be the fact that her actions catch him off guard because she wasn’t quite what he expected either. That ice cream shop scene that I mentioned earlier? One of my all time favourites when Isobel sticks up for him. It think that was the time that he really starting thinking that his stereotyping was wrong too.

One stereotype that I did see in background characters’ behaviours was that of Isobels old friends. The jocks acted really....what you think of a jock fromt he 90′s films and stories of when they bully those who they think are weaker than they are. 

When you enter Varen’s dream world with Isobel...another sterotype, but on the story this time. It was coocoo for coacoa puffs. But, thats what you expect from a story that involves Edgar Allen Poe elements, mystery, horror and a dash of YA.

Reynolds was quite the character through out the books. In the first book he was very much like a...not quite spirit guide...but you almost want to put him in that catagory because he was constantly helping Isobel? I guess you could say a “Dream Companion” though I don’t think I’ve ever heard of that before myself...but trust me when you read the books, you’ll see what I mean.

Gwen...you meet her about halfway through the first book...and honest to goodness I saw a good friend of mine in her. Not quite the same personality, but the sarcasticasm and always there for you drive I saw completely. I just recently go in touch with this friend again too, which I find a bit ironic in a hilarious way. Gwen is the type of friend that everyone really wants in their lives. She can playfully bicker with the main character’s love inerest. She can get under the friend’s parents nerves, and yet find her way back again. She’s there to help her friend get out of a tight spot, and put her life on the line  for each other. Yet, she’s also the friend that encourages you to jump out of your comfort zone a bit, so that you can improve yourself.

The setting through out the book I found was quite descriptive, that might be why I mentioned earlier that you really need to have patience with the books. There is foreshadowing, and you really do need to pay attention. It will most likely be explained by the end of the book, or well into the next one what something might have meant. By this point you kind of want to slap you head like you “should have had a V8″ for being so simple and not catching it. You, then reflect on something, and your hear begins to melt.

The end of the story? *claps to Kelly* You really did a good one. Quite the cliff hanger to make the reader come back for more. That’s exactly what I did. Though I must say with the second one I was a sucker for punishment. For the readers of the blog...you might get an explaination in the next review.

Verdict: I quite enjoyed this book. I found it delightful, mysterious, and intreguing all at the same time. The characters you actually want to hanging out with. Even though the Dream World is kind of freaky, you do want to go there and see what you see from your own mind at times. It was next to perfect in my minds eye, but I am trying to be a little bit more honest with my reviews, like I said when I started the blog. Soooooo...I dub this book....

Rating:  4.5 out of 5 stars.

[adambstingus]

Twerking, waltzing and daggering – the dances that caused moral panic

A Mississippi bounce concert was called off over concerns from the authorities about twerking and its not the first dance style that has caused alarm

You cant wear a thong. You must keep the cleft of your buttocks covered. And you cannot simulate a sex act. Rusty Hannah of Mississippis Alcoholic Beverage Control there, explaining why a concert by bounce artist Big Frieda was cancelled. While also reminding everyone how funny the word cleft is. Friedas show in the town of Hattiesburg would have been, Rusty says, in contravention of 30-year-old laws drawn up to prevent strip clubs selling strong booze. Basically, an establishment in Mississippi cant provide risqué entertainment while also selling strong liquor. Beer is fine for some reason, but not the hard stuff. And because Friedas show would certainly involve twerking, the venue hosting the concert, the Dollar Box Showroom, was threatened with closure if the concert went ahead.

Its a bizarre instance of strong-arm moralizing one more than likely due to one jobsworthy official taking themselves a little too seriously. An official patently oblivious to the fact that his name Rusty Hannah sounds like one of the most provocatively disgusting and suggestive dances ever seen.

The ridiculousness of the situation aside, Friedas performance being halted is a stark reminder that the taste police still exist. This is also far from the first time theyve had something to say about a dance craze that they find hugely disagreeable. And given the nature of this story, there is only one place to start.

Twerking

Robin Thicke and Miley Cyrus twerk at the 2013 MTV Video Music Awards. Photograph: PictureGroup/Rex

Youve seen it. You know what it is. Youve probably pulled a muscle or two trying to do it. Taking inspiration from west African dance, the twerk became westernised in the 90s, finding its way into bounce and hip-hop videos and soon becoming ubiquitous. Arguably its most famous outing came at the hands well, one giant foam hand of Miley Cyrus at the 2013 MTV VMAs. The FCC received a barrage of complaints. The press claimed it was cultural appropriation at its worst. Most of us were just fairly unsettled by the whole thing. Still, scores of schools have banned it, and it even triggered a national debate in Russia.

The Charleston

Dancers demonstrating steps from the Charleston circa 1926. Photograph: General Photographic Agency/Getty Images

The emergence in the 1920s of the flapper a free-spirited, independent young woman fond of short skirts, booze and jazz coincided with the Charleston, a form of dance that visually encapsulates the jazz age. And if theres one thing across history thats been guaranteed to irk the guardians of morality, its women taking charge of their own sexuality. Ballroom dancers in London dismissed it as vulgar, it was banned from many dance halls entirely, and it was even blamed for the destruction of Bostons Pickwick club, the authorities blaming the pounding of the dancers feet for the collapse of the building, which killed 50 people. Now that is one dangerous dance.

Moshing

Alice Glass of Crystal Castles stagedives into a moshpit. Photograph: Yui Mok/PA

Or, if youre of a certain vintage, slam dancing. The act of smashing into fellow dancers, pogoing, circle pits, crowdsurfing and exciting combinations therein. Its not really surprising that ostensibly one of the more violent dance crazes has fallen foul of authorities in the past, from the University of Minnesota banning it in 1983, a crackdown by the Boston police in 2012, to Warped Tour toying with the idea of banning it in 2014. The bans never really stick, mainly because metal fans by and large are a friendly bunch that dont like being told what to do, but now moshpits are beginning to cause problems at EDM concerts. So if youre at a David Guetta concert and someone punches you in the back of the head, they might have meant it in a friendly way. But if youre at a David Guetta concert theres also a fair chance you deserved it.

Daggering

A move born from the dancehalls of Jamaica, daggering essentially involves a female bending over and the male simulating alarmingly rough intercourse from behind. Its pretty suggestive stuff the name says it all, really and upon seeing moves being imitated by children, the deputy childrens commissioner of the UK said that theres not a lot separating that kind of behaviour from actual violent, coercive sex. It also, somewhat inevitably, apparently tripled the number of hospital admissions for broken penises in Jamaica. Ouchy. Daggering was seen as such a problem in Jamaica that the government banned songs and videos featuring sexual content ie daggering music. The ban stands to this day.

The waltz

Waltzing at the Albert Hall was once risqué. Photograph: David Levene for the Guardian

Lord Byron himself branded the waltz a lewd grasp and lawless contact warm that wouldnt leave much mystery for the nuptial night. When a man who had a sexual relationship with his half-sister is morally outraged, you know something is very, very wrong. Louis XIII banned it. In California it was banned until 1834. It was outlawed in parts of Sweden and Germany. The Times of London called it an indecent foreign dance. It was seen as lowbrow; a dance for the poor and the profane. Hard to imagine that the waltz was the 19th centurys twerking, but there you go. Youre not that rocknroll after all, Miley.

from All Of Beer http://allofbeer.com/twerking-waltzing-and-daggering-the-dances-that-caused-moral-panic/ from All of Beer https://allofbeercom.tumblr.com/post/183765935577

[allaroundmelbourne]

Gruesome TV ads you can't watch

WARNING: Graphic content Fear, disgust, sadness and hope. These are the emotional triggers that will be used in a series of hard hitting television ads to encourage Australias three million smokers to stop. But they wont be seen around the nation except in this paper, today unless the government stumps up $50 million a year in funding. An ad that shows a man rolling a cigarette from sticky body parts with the message every cigarette rots you from the inside out, another showing a man smoking a cigarette that grows into a cancerous tumour every puff he takes could be purchased from the UK for immediate use. Anti-smoking campaigners are also eyeing up a US ad initiative. Another video of a man who needs help walking after being disabled by a stroke thanks to tobacco has been shown only in Victoria but could be aired around the country for the first time. New funding would also allow a battery of older hard hitting horror ads that have been shown in some states to be rolled out nationwide. A man in a coffin, a woman with a tracheotomy and another with a stoma bag as a result of diseases caused by smoking feature in these ads by Quit Victoria. AUSTRALIAS BIGGEST SERIAL KILLER REVEALED NEW REBATE FOR HEART HEALTH CHECK FROM APRIL 1

media_cameraStills from UK anti-smoking campaign of the type to be rolled out in Australia if funding is available. Picture: Supplied Fear is the primal emotion and the most important in getting people to contemplate giving up smoking, says Sarah Durkin a researcher from the Centre for Behavioural research and cancer. Smokers exposed to advertisements that evoke fear were twice as likely to make a quit smoking attempt, she said. These emotions are the drivers that jolt people out of an entrenched habit, says veteran anti-tobacco campaigner and Public Health Association chief Terry Slevin. Youve got 30 seconds to get peoples attention in their busy lives and you are talking about trying to shift an addictive behaviour, an entrenched behaviour, says Mr Slevin who started working on anti-smoking campaigns in 1984. Australias spectacular success in halving the smoking rate has ground to a halt since the federal government cut spending on mass media advertisements urging people to quit in 2012. News Corp in partnership with the Heart Foundation and with the support of Quit, and the Australian Medical Association is calling for an investment of $200 million ($50 million a year for four years) to reinstate and maintain a national tobacco campaign. [embedded content] This investment equates to only a tiny fraction (less than one-third of one per cent) of the $48.6 billion in revenue from tobacco excise and customs duty that the Government expects to receive over the next three financial years. The money should be invested as follows: - $25m a year for a television-led national tobacco campaign, targeting adult tobacco users in all states and territories. - $10m a year for a National Cessation Strategy to help smokers quit. This would include writing national clinical guidelines on smoking cessation, and the embedding of quit programs into health services, as well as a national Quitline as a referral, training and behavioural support provider. - $15m a year to targeted programs to help people experiencing the highest levels of disadvantage.

media_cameraOne of the ads shows a man rolling a cigarette from sticky body parts. Picture: Supplied All states and territories agreed for the first time to work with the Commonwealth on a nationally co-ordinated approach on anti-tobacco advertising at a COAG meeting late last week. A spokeswoman for Health Minister Greg Hunt said the Government will make further announcements in this space shortly and said there had been investment in anti-smoking campaigns since 2012.

media_cameraSmokers exposed to advertisements that evoke fear were twice as likely to make a quit smoking attempt, one expert said. Picture: Supplied Campaign advertising has been placed on audience-specific and mainstream channels including television, radio, print, out-of-home and digital channels since 2012. Labor, which pledged to spend $20 million on anti-tobacco advertising in 2016 is supporting the push and health spokeswoman Catherine King says it has already stood up to Big Tobacco through its plain packaging legislation. We need more major, hard-hitting media campaigns. They are one of the most effective weapons in our arsenal, she said.

media_cameraLabors health spokeswoman Catherine King said it had already stood up to Big Tobacco through its plain packaging legislation. Picture: Alan Pryke The Heart Foundation says when people quit smoking, there are both immediate and long-term health benefits. After one year, the risk of a heart attack or stroke is reduced by half, and in 5 to 15 years the risk of stroke and coronary heart disease returns to that of people who have never smoked. Adjunct Professor John Kelly, Group CEO, Heart Foundation says its very disturbing that one in two smokers dont know it causes heart disease when we know absolutely that smoking is major risk factor for heart disease, and that smokers are four times more likely to die from heart disease than nonsmokers. A national tobacco campaign would help reverse this worrying lack of awareness and save lives, he said.

media_cameraStills from a US campaign showing smoking damage. Picture: Supplied Quit estimates a new national advertising campaign has the potential to prevent 55,000 deaths and result in 323,000 life-years gained while delivering $740.6 million in healthcare savings over the next 20 years. Terry Slevin says the advertisements are needed because smokers have established defence mechanisms in their own mind to justify continuing to smoke and campaigns have to be hard hitting to break through that barrier, he said. Youve got to focus on things that are important to them like their children, their family and take them on a journey to challenge their smoking behaviour, says Slevin. Sarah Durkin who studies the effectiveness of anti-tobacco advertising says the key to a successful campaign is getting smokers to understand what its like to live day to day with the diseases smoking causes. To cut through the advertisements have got to scare people in a visceral way. Fear is an emotion that lays down memory, its sticky. We want to evoke fear every time someone picks up a cigarette so that they replay that image in their head, she said. SMOKING LINKED TO HEART DISEASE Half of all smokers surveyed dont know that smoking increases their risk of heart disease, Australias single biggest killer, according to research by the Heart Foundation. Yet tobacco use, and second-hand smoke exposure, cause thousands of deaths from cardiovascular disease every year contributing to approximately 18,800 deaths in 2011 and 17 per cent of all such deaths in 2017. The ignorance highlighted in the foundations 2018 Heart Watch survey goes further, with four in five smokers saying they do not believe quitting smoking lowers their risk of heart disease. Health groups say the widespread ignorance among smokers about the link between smoking and heart disease demonstrates the need for a major national anti-smoking advertising campaign. While many understand the risk of tobacco-related cancer, the Heart Foundation says smoking is as bad for your heart as it is for your lungs; as it damages the lining of your arteries, resulting in build ups of fatty deposits, which narrow the arteries.

media_cameraResearch by the Heart Foundation revealed smokers dont know that smoking increases their risk of heart disease, Australias single biggest killer. Picture: Supplied Smoking also increases the stiffness of the blood vessels, making it harder for them to expand and contract as needed and more likely to split. These changes to the arteries can cause a heart attack, stroke or angina (chest pain). Smokers are three times more likely to suffer sudden cardiac death than nonsmokers. Even smoking between 1 and 4 cigarettes a day dramatically increases the risk of dying of heart disease or developing a cardiovascular condition that significantly reduces quality of life. Nicotine from smoking results in an almost immediate rise in heart rate and blood pressure, carbon monoxide in cigarettes reduces the oxygen levels of your blood and your heart must work harder to pump blood around your body.

media_cameraStills from a US campaign showing smoking damage. Picture: Supplied Blood clotting is more likely to occur in smokers, increasing the risk of heart attack and stroke. Tobacco users can expect to die on average 10 years earlier than if they had never smoked. Exposure to second-hand smoke increases the risk of heart disease by around 30%. Around half of all smokers have tried to quit the addictive habit but only one in five used the evidence based approach of combining personalised coaching with nicotine replacement therapy. This method is proven to double a persons chance of quitting says Quit director Dr Sarah White. Thats why health groups want the government to spend money developing clinical guidelines for smoking cessation and provide more funding for a national Quitline. Originally published as Gruesome TV ads you cant watch https://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/health/new-graphic-antismoking-tv-ads-australians-may-not-see/news-story/334cde6523d767d0fb1c3e0064e36390

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Let me tell you a story off of my heart.

(english is not my native language, please think about that) M. I’ve known her since 2006. We met online when I was 13. She was 15 at that time and we’ve only talked online over chat. She sent a lot of pictures of her and gosh damn, my 13 year old me thought she was beautiful and hot. Silly me. Some time passed and I found out that she’s a fake. Well, she was ashamed and told me she felt ugly and at the beginning she just wanted to make a joke of me but she started to like me. As I saw her real face she blocked me online and I’ve heard nothing about her for the next years. 2011 I found her under her real name on Facebook. At that time I recently lost My girlfriend and was mentally unstable. We talked about old times, the weather and what not. Long story short We started to talk again. A short time passed and we used to talk to each other every day. 2012 was a hard year for me. I went to hospital and hat to stay there for a few month because I tried to commit suicide buuut.. thats another topic. We called each other at least one time a day when I was in the mental hospital. The day of relief came. I was 3 month in therapy and I could go home now. I told her about that a few days earlier and she wasn’t that happy about it. When I stepped out of the hospital I simply texted her “I’m free!”. A bit irritating that She texted back “congratulations, wait there please!” What could that possibly mean? She’s living 4 hours away from my place so I just asked why I should stay. As I sent that message someone hugged me from behind. I turned around and there she was. I was shivering and stumbeling, couldn’t even find any words for that situation. She was laughing and just turning me around and hugging me. “No need to be nervous, hey I’m here and I’ll never let you go again, I love you!” (Not as loving in a relationship, we’ve been more like siblings. Never let me go.. Time passed and she found a job only half an hour away from me. She said she’d take that job so wie could meet more often. Said and done, she moved closer to me and I was so fucking happy for the first time in my fucked up life. I mean.. we even kissed each other every time we met and said goodbye. We shared a bed, cuddled and slept next to each other. We never hat sex or anything like that and haven’t been in love.. just saying. Well good times.. never let me go..

Just one year later.. I was having a crysis and mental breakdowns every day. I started to cut myself again and felt just like dying. It was at that time when I needed her the most.

Nothing. I wanted to contact her but she blocked my phonenumber, blocked me on Facebook, blocked me everywhere. I didn’t even know why and what had happened.

From a friend of ours I heard that she moved away again. And I asked her why she would do that to me. My friend just said “she told me she couldn’t see you suffer anymore. It destroys her. She doesn’t want to see you again because she doesn’t want to see that ‘emo-behaviour’ anymore.

Never let me go huh? Well over The years she blocked every try of contact. I will never bei able to hear why she has gone. She will never tell me. But she let me go. From one day to the other she was gone and I’ve never been able to handle this.

M. when you read this… You told me you’ve never go. I’ve never trusted anyone like I’ve trusted you and there hast never been auf person that hurt me more than you did. You broke me. I have trust-issues and hate every type of human-being since that day. Thank you for opening my eyes… trusting weakens you. And even if we have never been in a relationship.. you broke my heart.