#the cypria

[koruga]

Achilles has always been...intense, when it comes to falling in love.

I wanted to bring to mind Greek pottery for this one, I hope it came through. Maybe I should have coloured in the background as well but was afraid it would get overwhelming -- that's what the blue is for, too.

[finelythreadedsky]

i just think it's neat that odysseus gets put in a position where he has to kill his child to avoid going to war and he can't do it and then agamemnon gets put in a position where he has to kill his child to go to war and he does it

[dilutedh2so4]

paris the musical from 1990 (squared)

second part of my The Leader """"analysis""""

the one friend who did stick by him and his decision to leave the battlefield (patroclus) died because of it

:(

something something tragic irony

idk what my man thinks ""winning"" looks like butttttttt

he lost his slave girl, his honour, his bf, and his life

L

let's just say it's not glory for you

(yes yes ik kleos)

(but see my above list of L's)

(definitely not his finest moments in my humble opinion)

girl they just decided on one 5 minutes ago

get this man an alarm clock

meanwhile patroclus: 💀

haha sorry

yeah that went well, didn't it?

paris: so anyways i started blastin'

anyways LISTEN TO THIS MUSICAL

[littlesparklight]

Aphrodite: Aeneas, my eyes! I am sending that pretty cousin of yours to Sparta, and I want you to go with him. Aeneas: I'll keep Alexander out of trouble. Aphrodite: No, darling. Aeneas, now confused: ... I'll not keep him out of trouble? Aphrodite, delightedly kissing his cheek: That's my boy! Now, only *specific* trouble, you understand - you'll know when it happens. I don't want him otherwise harmed. Aeneas, very much not understanding: Yes, Mother.

[red-moon-at-night]

The impeccable drama of a Judgment of Paris interpretation that chooses to have Aphrodite disguised in the appearance of Helen and say "Grant me your apple cast from gold ... Take me as your reward" is so SO incredibly good what a galaxy-brained idea

AND THEN all of the tension and conflict created between Paris and Helen through him constantly referring to her as "Sweet Aphrodite" and "goddess"... Like it starts off very endearing for Helen in Perfect Stranger ("He called out a name meant for me") but quickly turns sour in Paris In Court and Any Fool Could See - Paris has precisely 0 brain cells and is quite possibly the densest lead role I've ever come across. His naivete and optimism is actually quite scary (especially at the beginning of Any Fool Could See) and the constant kneeling and devotion towards Helen is just *chefs kiss*

Helen becomes less of a person and more of a symbol of love (to Paris) and war (to everyone else). The line delivery of "I become the object / Of such bitterness / And fear" in Hell Or High Water tugs at my heartstrings. Sheila Parker's performance throughout the musical absolutely elevates Helen's character, her vocals are AMAZING honestly.

There's layers to it I'm not going to be able to put into words or do justice right now but that's okay. TL;DR: "One goddess / One human counterpart". It's such a fun twist on that myth!!

[adriles]

bros out here are seriously saying that im “SCUM” and “DESERVING OF A CRUEL FATE” for ambushing and killing troilus the young son of priam w/o even considering that the act represented that all trojan efforts to defend their city would be in vain. Cool

[dreamconsumer]

Prince Paris by Herman Wilhelm Bissen.

[evilios]

Re: last reblog's tag (mine).

Cypria is a lost epic that only reached us in fragmentary state from different authors but. Something about procreation to deliver fate etc.

[gwydpolls]

Time Travel Question 21: The Library of Alexandria (Miscellaneous III)

I welcome your suggestions for both Library of Alexandria and other lost works of World Literature and History, as there will be future polls.

[faithfulcat111]

I really am regretting decisions make by me three weeks ago. I really should have bought that Euripedes plays collection book while I was at the bookstore.

[oracleofdiscord]

[bear-cubs-art-things]

Fandoms you're in?

excellent question!

Currently hyperfixating The Odyssey/EPIC the musical, but I also draw Good Omens, MSM, and maybe Trolls once in a while :)

[hotelbooking]

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[theriverpointace]

why is all the stuff i want to read lost :(

[trvgcdiv]

nvm I'm an old ass man who overestimated their ability to productively stay up past 8 pm when I wake up at 12 am almost every day

[brother-emperors]

DO NOT BE AFRAID

this is combining Ovid's Heroides and the Excidium Troie because I can't stop thinking of Hermes telling him not to be afraid. what the fuck!! Ares is wearing the crown that Paris gave him.

I have. thoughts. about Paris. he's almost got this Troilos parallel in my mind, that the event that defines him in detail exists in a lost narrative that we don't have (the Cypria), but everyone else knew. the event that defines Troilos is his death (murdered, butchered by Achilles, the violence of which haunts everything after. Achilles, child killer, you can't escape that!), and the event that defines Paris is the Judgement. what's a lost text but a kind of grave!!

idk I don't think that Paris before the Judgement would recognize himself after bc when you become god touched, it rearranges your guts. you become transformed in the worst way possible! how could you recognize yourself! but I also think that all the Parises after the Judgement would recognize each other because that event is so locked into the trauma of war and the scar it leaves on the land, it's like a scar on the narrative too. it exists like this forever, over and over again, so you exist like that forever too. Troy collects grief and despairs.

Troy as trauma: Reflections on intergenerational transmission and the locus of trauma, Andromache Karanika

and Paris is like. a miserable little god/corpse-puppet or something, like a match for the gods to throw onto gasoline.

The Excidium Troie + Ovid's Heroides:

Excidium Troie, trans. Muhammad Syarif Fadhlurrahman

Ovid, Heroides 16 (trans. Harold Isbell)

a collection of things regarding Paris that made me go 😬 but under a cut bc this is getting. very long.

The Divine Twins in Early Greek Poetry, Corolla Torontonensis

Iliad 24 and the Judgement of Paris, C.J. Mackie

Elegy and Epic and the Recognition of Paris: Ovid "Heroides" 16, Elizabeth Forbis Mazurek

Ennian Influence in "Heroides" 16 and 17, Howard Jacobson

Paris/Alexandros in the "Iliad", I. J. F. de Jong