#the term transmisogyny exists for the same reason the term transandrophobia exists because yeah its misogyny but its a particular TYPE

[warioforpresident]

man i swear all of this endless 'transandrophobia' diskhorse is just people INTENTIONALLY misunderstanding and misinterpreting everything us transmacs say at this point.

a transman could literally write a well-thought-out, perfectly logical post explaining WHY we need/use the term and a million people (including other transmascs that lack basic reading comprehension for some reason??) will immediately view the post's content in the most bad-faith-take way possible. like this shit is INTENTIONAL at this point we've explained 1001010 times WHY the term is useful and you guys are STILL not getting it and making up insane conspiracy theories about us 'bEiNg teRfs' whilst actual terfs and transmisognysts are spewing the exact same 'just call it misogyny' rhetoric that Y'ALL are spewing. like. bro are you READING the posts radfems/terfs are making about all this diskhorse as they watch from the sidelines??? they're literally mocking transmascs for calling it 'transandrophobia' instead of misogyny... which is the same thing you 'Anti tmras' are saying... look in the MIRROR lol

[nothorses]

so i was thinking, if people are going to define transmisogyny as the intersection of transphobia and misogyny, doesnt that automatically mean trans men face it, as lots of transphobia aimed specifically at trans men is the result of/includes misogyny?

Yeah, I’ve been planning on reading Whipping Girl- the essay where Julia Serrano originally coined “transmisogyny”- for a while now, because I want to understand this better, but.

From my current understanding, “transmisogyny” was originally intended to mean exactly that: the intersection of transphobia and misogyny. The issue being that transmasc struggles are largely invisible, and Serrano- and in fact most trans activists- didn’t know anything about what those issues were or why we faced them. Folks just didn’t consider that our experiences might also be relevant to that term, if for different reasons than theirs were. (And I say “most”, because I know Leslie Feinburg at least was touching on a lot of uniquely transmasc issues a decade prior to Whipping Girl.)

So instead, “transmisogyny” has come to describe, more accurately, the system of oppression that specifically targets transfeminity. imo, there’s no reason we need to change that understanding; I think the word itself is constructed in a way that very powerfully asserts the validity of transfem genders & trans women’s womanhood, the reasons they are targeted are genuinely unique, and I think its important to acknowledge transmisogyny as a system. It’s intentional, not just a circumstantial product of transphobia, and “tansmisogyny” addresses that wonderfully.

Which is why I think we need a term that addresses the system of oppression that specifically targets transmasculinity. It’s not the same as transmisogyny, even if it’s also rooted in transphobia and misogyny; it’s a unique system. Right now, “transandrophobia” seems to be the best word for that.

An intersection is greater than the sum of its parts. These systems have unique goals, unique targets, and as a result, they manifest in unique ways. When transmisogyny impacts transmascs, it’s happening for different reasons than when transandrophobia impacts transmascs. It manifests in different ways.

Transmisogyny- as it can impact transmascs- is when we’re mistaken for trans women and chased out of a women’s restroom, accused of stealing resources in a women’s clinic, or brutalized by cis men for what appears to be a rejection of manhood.

Transandrophobia is when we’re denied life-saving healthcare because HRT will “damage” our bodies, because we “might want kids someday” and might regret a hysto, when we’re correctively raped because we need to be “convinced” we’re just confused lesbians, when we’re forcefully included in women’s spaces as “sisters”. It’s also part of why we’re mistaken for trans women; if we say we’re trans or we look trans, well, most people don’t even know trans men exist.

I can’t speak to transfem experiences, but I’m very willing to bet they have similar experiences in the reverse of this, for very similar reasons.

Having different words for these things is useful! It’s important to talk about why these things are happening; that’s how we fix them. All of it is stemming from transphobia, but transphobia, transmisogyny, transandrophobia, and exorsexism/enbyphobia are different systems.