Wait ok genuine question here, how does "trans exclusionary radical feminist" and "gender abolitionist" go together?
gender isn't real, sex is the only material reality, women are oppressed on the basis of our female sex not our so-called gender identity, and the movement that advocates for this group's sex-based rights should not have to and should never be "inclusive" to men because they're male
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Thinking about how I used twitter for like 3 weeks and it almost immediately turned me into a queer exclusionist
On top of that I was simultaneously falling down a rabbit hole of early-2010s tumblr feminism and these two factors combined meant I was heavily repressing my feelings on gender and my bisexuality because I didn't want anything to do with men
And then I finally got back onto tumblr and found different social circles and realized oh wait I'm actually a bi trans man like I always thought I was. Dammit.
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The reason the tras always bring up "black trans women", and not white ones, is most likely that they've seen through statistics that it's black trans women actually suffer statistically noticable opression. This tells us that it's not the trans part that is opressed. It's racism and it's homophobia.
Feminism by definition excludes all males.
This is why trans women are not ever going to be included no matter how many "intersectional" you put before feminism. Because in order to be included in it, the person would need to be opressed on the scale of SEX. Which men are never.
To talk about "black trans women" you could discuss intersectional racism, or intersectional homophobia, because those things include men.
If you add "intersectional" before the word, doesn't mean that the second word can lose it's meaning. It adds, it doesn't retract.
Issues such as native women being kidnapped or black women dying in childbirth at hospitals at a horrifying rate? These things are included in intersectional feminism. In real feminism too, but in intersectionality they are a main focus.
A male being murdered for the clothes he is wearing? Might be intersectional. Will never be feminism.
Feminists fight for the rights of FEMALES and that is ENOUGH.
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I saw someone else on here say it and I wanted to repeat it:
If your only anchor to womanhood is your pussy and tits, you've successfully been indoctrinated by the patriarchy to reduce "woman" to nothing more than our commodifed, sexualized and exploited functions; functions closely tied to our reproduction.
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ppl who are like self described queer love to just randomly put a post on my dash that boils down to “i think trans men can be lesbians and its terf rhetoric to say they cant” you people are just terminally stupid and have 0 understanding of what lesbianism is and are adamant to add men into the equation for some fucking reason
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one reason (white) queer people misuse the term homonationalism is that they see queerness (or whatever you want to call it) as naturally disaffiliated with the US empire. so they understand homonationalism as a divergence from a natural mutual antagonism between queerness and empire. they talk about homonationalism as if it's an exclusively "normie gay" project, and as if it's a divergence from, rather than a consequence of, the overall trajectory of western lgbtqia+ politics. ironically it’s that self-exceptionalization by the queer, on the basis of their queerness, that imbricates them in homonationalism. they produce themselves as a homonationalist subject, and reproduce homonationalism, every time they articulate their queerness as individualized freedom. and Puar actually anticipates all of this in her original theorization of homonationalism in Terrorist Assemblages, and that's why it really helps to go to the text instead of osmosing queer theory solely through tumblr posts (esp when tumblr is so white and the queer theorists are not):
"Some may strenuously object to the suggestion that queer identities, like their 'less radical' counterparts, homosexual, gay, and lesbian identities, are also implicated in ascendant white American nationalist formations, preferring to see queerness as singularly transgressive of identity norms. This focus on transgression, however, is precisely the term by which queerness narrates its own sexual exceptionalism.
While we can point to the obvious problems with the emancipatory, missionary pulses of certain (U.S., western) feminisms and of gay and lesbian liberation, queerness has its own exceptionalist desires: exceptionalism is a founding impulse, indeed the very core of a queerness that claims itself as an anti-, trans-, or unidentity. The paradigm of gay liberation and emancipation has produced all
sorts of troubling narratives: about the greater homophobia of immigrant communities and communities of color, about the stricter family values and mores in these communities, about a certain prerequisite migration from home, about coming-out teleologies. We have less understanding of queerness as a biopolitical project, one that both parallels and intersects with that of multiculturalism, the ascendancy of whiteness, and may collude with or collapse into liberationist paradigms. While liberal underpinnings serve to
constantly recenter the normative gay or lesbian subject as exclusively liberatory, these same tendencies labor to insistently recenter the normative queer subject as an exclusively transgressive one. Queerness here is the modality through which 'freedom from norms' becomes a regulatory queer ideal that demarcates the ideal queer. ... I am thinking of queerness as exceptional in a way that is wedded to individualism and the rational, liberal humanist subject, what [Sara] Ahmed denotes as 'attachments' and what I would qualify as deep psychic registers of investment that we often cannot
account for and are sometimes best seen by others rather than ourselves. 'Freedom from norms' resonates with liberal humanism’s authorization of the fully self-possessed speaking subject, untethered by hegemony or false consciousness, enabled by the life/stylization offerings of capitalism, rationally choosing modern individualism over the ensnaring bonds of family. In this problematic definition of queerness, individual agency is legible only as resistance to norms rather than complicity with them, thus equating resistance and agency.
... Queerness as automatically and inherently transgressive enacts specific forms of disciplining and control, erecting celebratory queer liberal subjects folded into life (queerness as subject) against the sexually pathological and deviant populations targeted for death (queerness as population). Within that orientation of regulatory transgression, queer operates as an alibi for complicity with all sorts of other identity norms, such as nation, race, class, and gender, unwittingly lured onto the ascent toward whiteness. ... To be excused from a critique of one’s own power manipulations is the appeal of white liberalism, the underpinnings of the ascendancy of whiteness, which is not a conservative, racist formation bent on extermination, but rather an insidious liberal one proffering an innocuous inclusion into life."
Jasbir K. Puar, Terrorist Assemblages: Homonationalism in Queer Times (2007)
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with that 4B post it feels like. like yes it is trans exclusionary and that is a huge problem but once again i am begging y'all to learn what radical feminism actually is. if you need radfems to be openly and vocally transphobic before you start questioning them then you simply do not understand anything at all about radical feminism. like frankly the female separatism should have put you on edge before you ever knew for a fact it was trans exclusionary. & I feel like there's gonna be a lot of people who say it sucks that they are trans exclusive and then not comment at all on the way they also dehumanize anyone they consider male. but god! anything to avoid having to admit that maybe misandry is an actual problem with actual negative effects on the world right!
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