#transformers theory

[dezmolad]

what makes Ultra Magnus/Minimus Ambus so interesting for me is often spotting similarieties and differences between how this Magnus Armor changes the behaviour of Minimus Ambus. There is a lot of the impact here and I feel like I can't escape writing about it one day it's what makes the similarities even more interesting. Bc despite getting into a different persona some traits and impusles remain and it makes them look significant.

here's the example of one of my favourite shared behaviour:

Both Ultra Magnus and Minimus Ambus express this kind of protectiveness over Rodimus in gestures. It speaks volumes that even if Minimus is so much less imposing without the armor he still keeps this act around Rodimus.

It isn't anything surprising, after what Magnus said on Hedonia

but I still think those gestures adds depth to it, how Magnus can became Minimus and still express the sentiment in the same way.

[lockheed-martin-unofficial]

After @randomationality mentioned Starscream getting thrown around often here, I remembered him being shiny for the first few episodes and decided to do some digging and figure out exactly when he lost the shine.

In Episode 1, while Megatron is still gone, Starscream’s chest has a very prominent shine.

Then again, Episode 2, Megatron returns and he is very shiny.

In Episode 3 he’s not as shiny as earlier (possibly due to the lighting, possibly due to offscreen Megatron) but we do see the glow of his weapon reflecting on his chest.

Same for Ep4, continuation of the Fowler scene. But at the end of Episode 4, Megatron beats Starscream on camera for the first time. And when you watch Episode 5,,,

You can clearly see he’s lost the shine. The same lighting is hitting both of them and while it reflects from Megatron, it doesn’t from Starscream.

Worth noting that Ep 6 does give him back a bit of shine, he never quite recovers to the same degree as the first few episodes. I stopped watching carefully after that point. Make of this what you will. The animators tweaking his design after the first few episodes, or an intentional change to show Megs’ abuse.

[jyrinestories08]

Since that skyfire (or “jetfire”) is been confirmed to be alive in the movie by mention and the concept artist confirms that he adds skyfire in it because he likes him.

This made me think that skyfire was part of sentinel guards like darkwing and the other guard bots (except he would be the nicest one). And before the betrayal of sentinel, he was close friends with starscream, after the betrayal, he’s loyal to sentinel and decided to be part of his twisted side.

This also leads to starscream calling skyfire a traitor, just like in G1 where skyfire was called a traitor to starscream and the other decepticons when he chosed the autobot side.

[tulliolamonster]

Regarding Transformers, energon, and food waste…

It seems as though energon operates as food/drink, blood, and machine fuel in the Transformers universe. When I’ve seen people discuss it online, it seems the general consensus is that the primary differences between these things is the way the energon has been refined and filtered. Natural energon straight out of the ground is completely unfiltered and unrefined, but can still be used as food and fuel. This energon can be filtered to become basic food (energon cubes) or highly refined to become engex (equivalent to alcohol). Both unfiltered and filtered energon seem to be able to work as machine fuel, and engex seems generally not useful for that purpose. Energon as blood is any consumed energon that the bot has consumed that has been digested and reincorporated into the body. To an extent, this can be used as food/energy for a bot, and it (generally) seems to be able to power machines only if that machine is specifically made with blood power in mind.

As the title implies, this has potential implications on Cybertronian consumption habits/food waste, but also on how access to blood/blood transfusions might work in the Transformers universe. This post will just be food waste for the sake of length (and my sanity.

If Cybertronians are perfectly capable of consuming raw energon right out of the ground without significant discomfort or risk, why would they filter or refine it? Well, for better taste, texture, and more efficient calorie/energy absorption! Think of it like how humans might chop, marinate, or cook food before we eat it. Humans are perfectly capable of eating a lot of things raw, but processing them before we do makes them taste better and allows us to digest more efficiently. Cybertronians probably filter their energon because it allows their frames to spend less time picking out things that can’t be digested and more time processing energon for energy, effectively making filtered energon a more efficient fuel source.

Well, if energon should be filtered for the best returns, obviously that requires equipment and expertise. That just raises another question: what is done with the elements that are filtered out? It seems most likely that raw energon would have higher amounts of minerals and metals found in the earth it was mined from, which would make taste, texture, and mineral content inconsistent from place to place. Filtration would likely lead to these levels being standardized across filtered energon supplies, but those minerals still have to go somewhere. The comics make it seem like some metals and minerals are used as flavorings or supplements in the Cybertronian diet, but even that can’t turn 100% of what was filtered out into something fully consumable. There is probably Cybertronian food waste, whether stemming from inefficient mining practices, products of filtration and refining, or just bots spilling or throwing out excess food.

Returning to the filtration centers, their presence raises more questions. For ease, imagine this is pre-war. Are energon filtration centers evenly distributed among the Cybertronian population? If so, are they all equally well maintained and reliable, or is there a marked difference between energon quality in urban and rural areas? There’s a possibility that urban populations, with a higher likelihood of having access to efficiently filtered energon, would have taste or texture aversions to less filtered versions, like those found in more rural areas, or even raw energon. Sure, they can still consume it, but it’s the equivalent of someone who’s used to bottled water drinking from a place where the pipes are really old and you can taste the iron in the water. Even with basic filtered energon, there’s already the potential for taste and consumption differences across the Cybertronian population.

Pair that with the impact alt mode might have on consumption patterns. Would the ubiquity of filtered energon as the current primary food source for a species that probably originated eating the unfiltered version lead to increased rates of mineral/vitamin deficiencies in the population? Bots with different alt modes likely have different dietary needs to maintain their frame, and basic filtered energon is unlikely to meet that. Either 1) there’s a thriving supplement industry on Cybertron (which the common addition of metals and minerals in food could support, also implying interesting taste preference tendencies between alt mode groups), 2) there are ways for urban-dwelling bots to access unfiltered energon that might meet their dietary needs, or 3) there are social and medical barriers that make bots with certain alt modes significantly less likely to live in urban areas, posing structural barriers to their participation in Cybertronian society and politics.

Back to the problem at hand: food waste. If urban-dwelling Cybertronians are more likely to consume filtered energon and meet their nutritional requirements through the consumption of additives and supplements in their food, it would stand to reason Cybertronian cities would produce greater amounts of food waste than rural areas, which consume a greater amount of unprocessed energon. Would this difference in access and consumption patterns lead to the development of culturally distinct cuisines? Are there efforts to curb food waste in cities or repurpose wasted energon/refining products into more food?

This all, of course, assumes that the Cybertronian energon/food market reflects a sort of class divide driven by access to industry. It is totally possible that things like food access, difficulties in repurposing refining products, frametype-specific nutrition, and taste preferences just… aren’t factors in Cybertronian society. Which is fair! Even if they were, the war probably changed a lot of that. Limited access to adequate filtration and low energon supply probably resulted in a Cybertronian population that is used to (and might even prefer!) unfiltered energon as their primary food.

The long and short of it is that attitudes towards food shift with access and culture. It’s a lot of fun to try to reconstruct a fictional society’s culture through diet (or the other way around!). The fact that energon is both so ubiquitous and so necessary for all aspects of Cybertronian life and society makes it a uniquely intriguing thing to consider.

There’s so much more here that I think could be discussed (how is energon refined into alcohol? What minerals are removed in typical refinement processes? Why can raw and processed energon be used as machine fuel, but blood can’t? How would upper class bots use food to signal their status?). This was really fun!

I hope this whole thing makes sense. If not, blame all the projects I have to work on. My brain is smooth as sea glass rn.

[ssstarscreamconjunx-alice]

Headcanon

Uncanny Valley in the Transformers universe;

We need more of it!! Here's why I think so:

Imagine if Cybertronians didn't have our language translated. I've seen it done in a few fics. (I.e. @revelboo's fanfics 💕) Imagine if a human appeared in front of them (ex. Your fave/blorbo), hearing their weird organic language as nothing bust noise.

Remember we as humans experience uncanny valley and so why wouldn't they? It can either frighten us or empathize us with creatures like them, so the same could be said for them.

Like how we see a cute baby in a kitten or a puppy's face/mannerisms. Or how we can hear a human like laugh from a type of money or mammal. Mimicking us. Until some start to see they as uncomfortably different. Like Cybertronians seeing an untranslated human; as Fleshy beasts that mimic them.

Like how human faces would mimic a Cybertronian's, how humans bodies are comparable. Even having (generally) the same number of fingers. But the way we sound would be so foreign. Like an animal.

An animal that makes noises so similar to them laughing. Imagine an uncannily human laugh coming from something almost identical to a human; many folklore and horror stories feature this.

So, would your blorbo-bot be scared or endeared to us/you (or an oc)?

Just a thought.

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[argonmasters]

What if TFOne Sentinel was a pleasure or entertainment frame and through some kind of comedy of errors ended up as Tower Admin cross training as military/high guard.

Just having stupid what-if thoughts while felling seams. Idk.

Yeah I'm in the middle of a sticky scene in my oc x Canon indulgence fic.

[lukewarmrod]

Ok, I have a question: Why can only a few cybertronians fly?

I only read the mtmte and ll comics (and watched some of the shows), so maybe other comics have the answer to that.

Here is my thought process:

Cybertronian forms are made, right? Either forged or cold constructed.

So why not make most cybertronian flyers?

Flying kinda gives you an advantage, you can move in the whole 3D space!

It would be cool if there was a real reason for that (cause then we can add this reason in our fanwork)

Like, maybe flyers would need the double amount of energon to function.

So mechs like starscream would be out of energy way sooner than mechs like bumblebee.

Imagine they strand on a planet with no energon. Starscream might be stronger than bumblebee, but for how long?

Or the seekers are comically hungry all. The. Time.

Would love to know if there is a canon reason!

And I would love to hear more fan theories about why there aren't so many flyers formed!

[theprettiestchandaleir]

My void rivals theory bc whenever I look up proximus or posada THERES NO DISCUSSION AB ANY POSSIBILITY OF THEY THEORY PLEASE

[krockdove]

ohmygod

So you guys really said Quintus Prime is the creator of Quintessons?? holy primus glad to be confirmed🤯🤯 we can imagine the history about them right??? plz I need more fanfics now

(source: https://www.vfxvoice.com/ilm-goes-into-alternate-mode-for-transformers-one/)

[tech-obssessed-shark]

Are TFOne Decepticons a different race?

In the TFOne Trailer, I noticed that D-16 aka Megatron was the only bot with yellow eyes(with hexagon pupils). All of the future Autobots had blue eyes. That led me to do some digging and making a observation of my own.

Megatron or young D-16 as called in the movie is shown with the Decepticon symbol. Orion Pax doesn't have this symbol, meaning it's not just for miners.

The only other mechs with different colored eyes are future Decepticons like Soundwave, Starscream, and Shockwave(Who I'm going to unpack in another rant).

So what I'm wondering is if TFOne is going to take inspiration from all the way back to the G1 Cartoons. This being the fact that Autobots were working class machines and Decepticons are war/weapon machines.

Is it possible that there were "War Frames" that were identified by certain traits or markings? Is it possible that the Decepticon symbol came from the mark of War Frames? Are some bots just built different?

As seen above, D-16 resembles something more like a tank than a car or truck. It could be possible that he's different because of what type of frame he has.

Please tell me if you know any more about this! These could just be design choices but I really don't know!

[dezmolad]

WHY G1 WHEELRATCH IS CANON TO ME

You may be aware of the fact that in G1 there is an episode where female autobots show up. You may also know that most of them has name that match their partners:

Ironhide and Chromia – metalic motive

Firestar and Inferno – fire motive

Optimus Prime and Elita One – "first"/"best" motive

The only exception are Moonracer and Powerglide, but that might be becouse at first Moonracer was supposed to be shown with Sunstreaker, which would give a moon-sun motive.

Ok, ok, ok where am I going with this. My point is. Transformers canon couples in G1 seem to have matching names. AND NOW TELL ME THAT RATCHET AND WHEELJACK AREN'T MATCHING NAMES

[a-blog-for-venting-i-guess]

Wait… the primes…

Tf one spoilers

Are all of the primes actually dead?

Orion tries to count all of their bodies at first but can’t, which leads to them splitting up and then he finds alpha Trion.

Were all the primes actually accounted for?

Or did Orion find alpha Trion before they could count all of them?

Did someone else perhaps get away and is just chilling on the surface in secret?

[cityzenshark]

Theory: most events in Earthspark happened because of bad timing

If Twitch & Thrash had been born earlier or a little later, Mandroid's arachnamechs wouldn't have seen them.

If Dorothy hadn't found out her new boss is GHOST and Mo didn't take the Thrash to the city on the same day, Dot wouldn't have mistakenly given the twins to Mandroid.

"Disarmed" wouldn't have happened if Mandroid hadn't been in HQ on the same day OP snuck the Maltos in.

Bee won't have to be a runaway again if Hashtag and Nightshade hadn't installed the security systems wrongly.

That's all I could think of

[interstellar-elf]

The 13 Primes aren't Cybertronian as We Know Them

So I have a theory about the 13 Primes in Earthspark and why they looks so weird in their designs. It came when I was reading some of the criticisms of Quintus' design in "Prime Time" being that he looks a little more human than robot. And I think that's deliberate in a way.

In Earthspark, we are shown the 13 Primes, though not exactly in detail or anything.

In fact some of the designs of the Primes look far more drastic, especially to those familiar with their designs in the Covenant of Primus. Some of them even look downright more humanoid or more human looking than their original incarnates, even less Cybertronian at first glance. However, as I must reiterate, this feels like it was deliberate. And not just for the audience to emphasize with, but rather to detail something that's probably going to be a major plot point in a future season of Earthspark.

And what is that? Well, I think the 13 Primes are the alien precursors to the Transformers, from Cybertron to elsewhere.

To clarify, I understand that in previous fiction, the 13 Primes were presented as the first creations of Primus or the guiding forefathers of early Cybertron, rather than outright precursors. However, I think Earthspark is setting up the 13 as a group of precursors, especially in consideration of how they're designed and the nature of their relics. In fact, unlike other previous stories, the Primes are presented as having a relic apiece, rather than owning several (like just how many swords does Nexus own in the Aligned universe anyways?). I think that's also a deliberate choice as well, as to better emphasize the Primes in their roles and as characters rather than have a ton of relics assigned to one, but I'm getting away from what I'm trying to theorize.

The 13 Primes will be revealed as the Precursors of an ancient civilization or perhaps as a part of a previous species that lived on Cybertron and created the 13 as the last light of their culture a la the trope, "A torch thrown into the future." Perhaps, given how the relics of the Primes seem to be very important to fighting Unicron in most incarnations, perhaps this is the reason why they exist in this continuity (especially since Primus and Unicron seemingly exist in this continuity as well). The reason for them looking so human like is probably because the precursors were fairly more humanlike aliens, and the 13 Primes are either their creation or the last of their kind who now live in the Astral/Primal Plane and occassionally go planetside to gift those they deem worthy of their relics or help out their chosen ones.

So what I'm saying is that the 13 Primes are aliens to the already alien Cybertronians.

[kevynthedevylman]

So, I saw TF1 in theaters again today and I was struck with a thought: What if it was the Quintessons introduced organic life to Cybertron? Since they're semi-organic beings themselves, they may have introduced plant life to Cybertron to convert the atmosphere into something breathable for them. It's a possible explanation for the presence of organic life on Cybertron.

[rotorarc]

Love that TF One is very Gen 1 coded.

With the trailer, we know that the Quintasons are in charge and the Cybertronians have a working class (Miners, and transport) and an entertainment class(Iacon 5000 = F1 and or Nascar) and perhaps even more.

There’s a disparity between Cybertronians that have T-Cogs and those who don’t, that or even more fucked up, some are forced to change or stay in their alt mode.

What do guys think?