#ts datamining

[triangle-strategy-notes]

For reference for the post I just reblogged, I checked the script against these Quietus cards. The labels on the cards are literally "ONE", "TWO", "THREE", and so on, lol

[triangle-strategy-notes]

Just got the text bot up and running! It only pulls from the dialogue lines for now, but I'm planning to add flavor text later on.

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As the title implies, this blog is run via bot! It currently creates one post every 23 hours, and pulls from a pool of dialogue from the main/side stories, the character stories, and the encampment exploration conversations. I'm planning to add more stuff later, particularly some of the miscellaneous flavor text like character profiles/war chronicle stuff/ability descriptions/etc.

Please feel free to let me know if you notice any problems with the posts! I did my best to clean up the data, but due to the sheer amount of dialogue in tri strat, chances are I mislabeled some things or did formatting stuff weird.

Some other nitty gritty details for anyone who's curious:

This bot was created using a Google Sheet and an Integromat scheduled scenario. The speakers and the actual dialogue text was pulled directly from the game files, but a lot of the context tags were things I added manually (and are therefore more likely to be incorrect).

Dialogue lines were processed chronologically and then grouped together by speaker, e.g. if Roland and Serenoa are talking and Roland has three lines before Serenoa gets his turn to talk, I combined those three lines together such that it became one piece of dialogue for the purposes of this bot. I did this because individual lines can be pretty short and often lack context when left alone (there are at least a few places where two dialogue boxes are essentially the same sentence with some punctuation slapped in the middle). However, this does sometimes link together mostly-unrelated sentences as well, so it's not perfect.

I arbitrarily removed a good amount of lines that were along the lines of: "Understood." "Thank you." "Indeed." and other simple responses. For Serenoa in particular, since he has a lot more dialogue than anyone else, I also removed longer lines that were vague/not super interesting/were repeated many times with slightly different wording (e.g. stuff like "How is he doing?" or "I've found what I was looking for. Time to consult with the others.").

Here's the spreadsheet the bot pulls from if anyone wants to see what's in there!

[randomnameless]

TS expresses multiple times that Aesfrost explicitly did not loot pillage and plunder Glenbrook or slaughter civilians when they invaded. The heroes caused more destruction taking Whiteholm back than Gustadolph did when he conquered it. Hyzante's problem isn't "religion bad" the religion itself was corrupted by Idore.

Do you have a website akin the the FE Datamine for the TS script ?

I remember how Whiteholm being relatively "unharmed" being a major point in the Roland routes, the Whiteholm peeps don't see anything wrong with Aesfrost' rule because Aesfrost (Gustadolph) specifically made sure that all exactions wouldn't be made in the main city ? But I can't remember the chapter...

However, several character supports (or stories? I don't remember how it was called) like iirc Flannagan, Avlora, Medina and Cordelia's were pretty revealing about what was happening in Glenbrook -in Flanagan's chapter iirc some Aesfrosti are pillaging for funsies, Medina has to heal an Aesfrosti soldier and meets opposition, Cordelia receives her share of flak and Avlora is hated by randoms because of what her army did.

Hyzante's religion is as consistent as swiss cheese, but iirc it thrives on enslaving Rosellians to hide the secret that salt didn't come from the goddess but they just happened to find some salted lake in the desert and hide the existence of rock salt to keep their monopoly. And that nonsense existed before Idore became the head honcho with his mechanical doll!

EDIT : someone compiled the script on the wiki!

Pariatte, out of anyone, notices how Gustadolph didn't attack the city of Whiteholm, but only focused on the castle so he wouldn't lose a lot of "popular support" from people who matter, aka not the peasants from Falkes, but the randoms in Whiteholm.

And as expected from the ones who aren't subjected to the worst of Aesfrosti occupation, Whiteholm people don't think Aesfrost's occupation is "that bad after all".

Heck, even Patriatte expected better of them lol

[seasurfacefullofclouds1]

hi sea

Wonder if you are aware of Louis hate harry praise blogs here. I scrolled bc I was curious and I died laughing they are incompetent even in their hate. Constantly comparing L to Sam fender and H lol istg I saw one of them say H rhymes well and L didn't and how Louis don't use technical jargons talking ab his songwriting and H does and how he says "we wrote" and not " I wrote" like H does and how he gives equal or more percentage of credit to professional songwriters or collaborators so he isn't good songwriter and other do job for him and that means his banger tweet (he praised himself once) is a lie or that he wrote on most 1D songs out of the boys bc other apparently weren't writing lol Istg they keep tabs on his whole family like even down to follows and stories I've never met more miserable clowns. Even tho they hate on L they are so ridiculous you can't even take them seriously. Oh and TS hate too as if HS doesn't have sh on his shoulders breaking families and fucking his way up Hollywood lol bro aren't they aware that they don't have any room to talk ab her?! Lol also audacity to analyze L lyricism when HS3 exists?! Or that just bc he isn't pretentious fuck saying word "crescendo" he apparently doesn't know music theory lol even when they claim unbiased analysis it's so obvious how amateur they are. Oh and on the topic of plagiarism when you Stan HS lol

I think those blogs have been around a long time. Problem is all they have are opinions, and opinions are subjective.

Some things, like dynamic pricing, or hyperlinking BLM donation links to a datamining / promo app, are not opinions.

Other things like public quotes and jokes at the expense of the band or their mums are also not opinions. They’re facts. Well-documented on film.

Avoiding the band members for years, and not participating in Steve Aoki’s jump backstage at Louis’ X Factor performance: facts.

Harry’s dating the director of his movie when she had a family with two young children: a fact.

Participating in a wedding at the height of Covid deaths in LA while not wearing masks, after selling Covid t-shirts: facts.

Louis’ songwriting credits on One Direction songs: facts.

I know facts sting. This is a fandom that often distorts facts and engages in rhetorical tricks. Attacking other artists and fans will not change the fundamentals.

[butwhatifidothis]

While I understand why nilsh keeps anon off, I hope this gets to him. Capn’ straight up lied about VW’s ending, so of course he botched the meaning. Capn’ wrote that Byleth picks up Claude, symbolizing Byleth supporting Claude. Except that Claude stood up on his own and met Byleth halfway. The two shake hands as equals.

@nilsh13, if you're interested lol

Nonnie's referring to this part of the whole "isn't it so emotionally resonant when you slaughtered a grieving woman with her mother's mutilated remains with the racist warmonger who wanted said woman and all her remaining family dead" post:

Now-look at the body language and role Byleth plays in all other route endings. Byleth is there to provide Dimitri emotional support, pick up Claude, and cradle Rhea. Byleth is valuable to these characters, but ultimately he/she is the “Enlightened One” who supports their goals and makes them possible. Here, it is Edelgard who physically supports Byleth. The relationship between them is one of mutual support, where Edelgard allowed Byleth to express his/her individuality for the first time, and Byleth’s trust allows Edelgard to be vulnerable and express her best qualities.

Now this... this is some ass. Pay attention Claude/Ieth shippers, I'm bout to dig into my roots and explain why (I personally think) Claude's relationship with Byleth is the best of the three lords.

As nonnie said, Byleth does not pick up Claude; Claude picks himself up and shakes the outreached hand of Byleth, both of them muddied up from the fight against Nemesis, standing as equals. Byleth and Claude have just finished teaming up against and successfully taking down the greatest threat of all of Fodlan and the root cause of everything that went wrong in Fodlan's history. They both stand together as the new dawn of Fodlan lights up their mutually smiling faces.

It's. Right fuckin' there. The datamine might not have the sound but like. You don't need it. You can see it. Even if the datamine booted out the subtitles, you can very clearly see everything I just described objectively happen. There's no room for subtext or differing interpretations. Claude doesn't need Byleth's help in getting up. You. See. It. Happen. At the very best, one can say that Cap'n just forgot, but it genuinely looks like he's straight up lying about how the ending happened.

But you know what, fuck it, imma go even further than that. Byleth and Edelgard's relationship is one of mutual support? Tell me, is that why Byleth lets Claude read Jeralt's diary? Is that why Byleth tells Claude - and no one else outside of the Lettuce Fam and Jeralt - about Sothis living in their head, in pre ts no less? Is that why Byleth is mentioned being more expressive by Claude post ts? Is that why Claude can tell Byleth is telling the truth - can know what their "lying face" is - in their reunion scene? Is that why Byleth is smiling about the war being done with Claude? Is that why Byleth feels comfortable poking fun at Claude, and why Claude doesn't mind it when/if they do? Because it's Byleth and Edelgard that are uniquely mutually supportive of each other?

Byleth being with Claude is one of the exceedingly rare times Byleth almost feels like an actual character, because they actively engage with the character they're with when it's Claude. They share personal details about themselves the same as Claude shares personal details about himself, they joke with each other, Byleth's expressiveness is notably heightened with Claude and Claude is said to genuinely smile when around Byleth, all in a way that doesn't make it feel as though they need each other to be able to do this; they just click pretty well naturally. It's one of Byleth's more genuine relationships just because there's little to no real player pandering nor are characters killed off to make room for Byleth.

And also, "Byleth is valuable to these characters, but ultimately he/she is the “Enlightened One” who supports their goals and makes them possible," how is that any different with Edelgard? She literally never wins if Byleth doesn't side with her, same as the others (barring Claude and Rhea in AM).

And gotta laugh at "allows Byleth to express their individuality," is that why she gets mad just about every time Byleth hypothetically disagrees with her? Why something as innocuous as not thinking the Black Eagle Strike Force is a good name makes you full on lose support points with her? Why she pulls rank on Byleth when they try to poke fun at her? Why they're described as "detached" by Edelgard, and why she can't tell if they have emotions? Why she can't tell if Byleth is telling her the truth in their reunion scene? Why the last image of CF is Byleth's dull, dead stare? Because individuality is something Edelgard invokes in Byleth so much?

Like, I'm sorry, but if you have straight up lie about one of the endings to try and make your shit ship look better, you're already off to a horrible start. Factoring in how much more mutually healthy a relationship Byleth has with Claude than with Edelgard on top of that? Cap'n had no chance lmao, it's no wonder he makes shit up about VW's ending and leaves out Edelgard needing Byleth to "support her goals and make them possible"

[gascon-en-exil]

I hope the passionate TS fans does a datamine for the game. I doubt for fanwork resources, but rather all the triggers and flags for the dialogue. When cleaning out for 100%, noticed a few things. Sycras either acknowledging Wolffort or not on fighting with Svarog depended on chapter 3 when. Even if Rudolph is in your party via NG+, there's no convo between them if you went to Hyzante. Rufus and "Maxwell" has a different convo if fought in arena before. Cordelia appearing when Roland was leaving

There's certainly a lot of little moments of interest in TS, even if they're hard to appreciate when the game doesn't even record the basic stuff (plot events, character stories) much less the context-dependent interactions and battle conversations. I could say I'm not surprised that it lacks a feature like that when Octopath Traveler also falls short in that regard, but it's still disappointing.

I'm sure there will be enough dedicated dataminers to compile all or most of that information at some point, although I don't foresee it turning into a resource for people to screencap to argue about like the Three Houses datamine...which is probably healthier, honestly.

[roundpi]

Rant alert! Yes, it's about Cyril ...and Edel ...and Rhea. (no bashing any of the three, plz.) I'm a canon stickler, couldn't you tell?

Copied from my Twitter:

Someone: *says Cyril's brainwashed*

No, he isn't. When he was in the Almyran army, maybe. He lost his parents at age 5. He was capture to work at the Goneriels at age 12. He arrived at the monastery at age 13. This information is right there in the game. He was only there for 1 or 2 years. Stop spreading lies.

Stop saying Cyril has no mind of his own. He can make his own choices. No one says Edelgard is brainwashed by TWSITD. Why instead throw Cyril under the bus?

I know this is mainly a Twitter thing. Tumblr doesn't have that gross interpretation. Maybe it's because I blocked out toxic blogs?

Also, Rhea is also her own person, separate from the church, which is why some things don't line up. Stop saying Rhea IS the church. You can assume she built vessels the way Sothis made her.

"What if the church is manipulated Cyril AND Rhea?"

......You're neither right nor wrong. But it's a heavy topic that may hit too close to home. But personaly I find it interesting and worth exploring. TWSITD using Rhea's religion against her? Good stuff. Maybe TWSITD, Edel's backstory, can finally be relevant to the story.

Babying Edel and Cyril: 🤢

Babying Rhea: 👍 (Well, she IS Sothis's daughter.)

P.S. After the game begins, Edel wasn't technically brainwashed. She was probably fed false information by TWSITD and possibly her own ancestors. She just draws a conclusion and acted on it. Her major flaw is that she never, in the game, considered that she may be wrong.

TL;DR Sometimes keeping secrets for too long won't help you or your lizard fam. Eventually people WILL make assumptions.

Also check the FE3H datamine.

Rhea did tell Cyril to move on. Maybe it's the result of her self-reflection. But you can only find out in Cyril's S-Support.

Reasons why Cyril is unpopular: Everyone THINKS he's "brainwashed" and has no character. Pushing that idea is what made him unpopular. People don't realize he's brainwashed because, turns out, he never was! The war orphan is right all along and the emperor is wrong. Take that, classism!

People like characters with agency, who make their own choices.

Another reason: Why do people hate "annoying characters" anyway? Especially ones that do not negatively affect the story.

Interfering with one interpretation of the story? Ok, I can see that. Also, "My role in Azure Moon is to remind you Lady Rhea still exist." is not a flattering character role.

Just remember if TWSITD was never involved with Edelgard, her outlook on life will be very different.

[tweek-koffee]

Idk thank you reddit for the datamined yttd chapter 3b script

Just copy and paste it

Also not mine

[triangle-strategy-notes]

All the character sheets are now up on Spriter's Resource! There's still a fair amount of other stuff I haven't gone through (visual effect sprites, textures, UI images, illustrations from the War Chronicles, and other miscellaneous things), so I'll continue to chip away at all of that as well.

[rose-vanderan]

Here's the Datamine side quest dialogue for Liz that'll be released soon

[randomnameless]

People,

Do you have a pic or a link to the scene where we see Edelgard’s first crown?

The one Ionius places on her head, the datamine website has the event/pic where we see the back of the crown, but I could have sworn we saw the front of this first crown somewhere, and it was unlike her second and third (from 3 hopes) one  ?

Ionius says the first crown she wears has a “double-headed eagle” but we never see it?

Edit : 

When she declares War, she wears the cape from her post time skip outfit, but still wears her pre-TS uniform?

[babyawacs]

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[leeoliver]

bioware is actually an acronym it stands for 

B: bad writing

I: its bad writing

O: oh no you’re bad at writing

W: writing (bad)

A: awful writing

R: really bad writing

E: everything you write is bad

[gascon-en-exil]

I'm up through Chapter 9 on my first, Morality-aligned playthrough.

The story so far: From both demos it's pretty easy to build a lot of points in the desired conviction if you're only going for one of them, so up to a point manipulating the story splits was very easy. The Chapter 7 vote is now Morality (protect Roland) vs. Utility (surrender Roland), instead of the former being Liberty as in the first demo, which makes more sense although it does lead to the odd situation of Roland himself initially wanting to vote against his own conviction. This led into voting to believe Silvio in Chapter 8 and then foiling his attempt at a Red Wedding, but then I actually lost the Chapter 9 vote because it's Liberty vs. Utility and I didn't have enough points to convince anyone of anything. I'd wanted to go the Utility of route on engaging in the illicit salt trade, but that got narrowly outvoted sending the story to Hyzante to expose Sorsley's illegal trade. I just finished the fight against his retainer, who ambushes the party on the way to the Hyzantian capital.

Impressions on the story: Actually quite good so far, with much of the promised political complexities. Nobody comes out of this looking perfect, not even Roland's family or the ambitious (and amusingly voiced) early plot sacrifice Dragan. As I'm aiming to go down what is effectively Roland's route I'm pleased to see him going through a decent amount of development. He has to deal with the deaths of his father, brother, and master in short order before going on the run and then later fake his own death to get Aesfrost to back off. I assume that last bit is also to help the plot converge again for Chapter 9 since I know it does that, although I'm curious to see how effectively that's pulled off considering there are four separate versions of the previous chapter. This is also, I presume, why Avlora kills Landroi if your army doesn't.

I assume that Silvio is going to die at some point, but I think it'd be funny if he didn't. He's entertainingly slimy, and I have to appreciate a man so into wine that grapes are his house sigil.

Side characters: I have the blacksmith Jens, Julio from the first demo, and the barrel robot singing and dancing automaton Decimal. Jens and Decimal were much puzzled over when they were datamined, the first because one of his starting abilities is building a ladder (yes, really) and the second because...it's a barrel robot, which is just about on the same level of random weirdness as some of Chrono Cross's recruitable cast, or maybe like a less developed fantasy version of Robo from Chrono Trigger. So far I've found Jens more useful (and funny) for his spring trap and net skills, although his ladders came in very handy for the Liberty version of Chapter 9. Decimal's attacking abilities are random in a sense, but extremely broken if you can use them just right as they cover a massive range and attack all enemies with certain HP or TP values. Using it is dumb but oddly fun.

Gameplay: TS is indeed more visual novel than tactical game, but when you do get around to combat it's quite fun and engaging. There's a good sense of character progression despite it being fairly linear, and the rhythm of gameplay keeps all the exploration and voting segments in between from feeling repetitive. Even playing on Very Easy the enemies aren't complete pushovers, and the battles have a lot of variety in terrain and to a lesser extent objectives.

[butwhatifidothis]

"Dimitri's C support is the only one to open up before Byleth gets the SotC"

I've heard this said so many times by so many people, but this is just not true. Claude’s C support - and his B support! - are completely available out of the gate. Only his B+ support is specifically locked behind a pre-ts chapter, but it does not open when Byleth gets the SotC. It only opens after Byleth merges with Sothis - not a SINGLE ONE of Claude’s supports open up as a result of Byleth getting the SotC! Not one! Zero ones!

I double checked the datamine and just deadass replayed GD and nagged Claude to death getting his support points - C and B supports are open! He's in fact the ONLY LORD where you can immediately get his C support - Dimitri isn't until Chapter 4, and Edelgard isn't until Chapter 5.

In fact, going by the datamine, Edelgard's A support is immediately available after the timeskip - only Dimitri's isn't (for obvious - and good! - in-game reasons). Nonnie is just kinda wrong lol, like nothing against 'em but yeah

Fun fact about 3H lords: Claude has the strictest timetable to get his B support, but his A is the only one that can be immediately viewed after the timeskip. Dimitri's C is the only one to open up before Byleth gets the SotC. Edelgard's A can only be viewed partway into Part 2.

I've always liked the support-story integration of the game, I think story locking supports creates better opportunities for consistent growth imo.