#ward 11.10

[ewingstan]

We're getting a lot more into the uglier, rawer parts of Victoria's motivation these last few chapters. And I think its notable that for all Breakthrough is supposedly about second chances and reform, Victoria still thinks of things primarily in terms of stopping the bad guys and saving the innocent. Failing Jessica meant failing to stop Chris, not failing to reach him. The goal is to stop all the Amy's of the world, not to save them from spiraling. This remains one of the central tensions in Victoria's character.

Wait, the upper was a cluster drug? Did March figure out how to do cauldron vials for clusters or something? Is she working with some old members of Cauldron? With Chris?

I will say that it makes a lot of sense that Colt was chosen for it, and responded to her so well. Rain was in a similar position to her when he triggered—paralyzed by indecision, participating in group violence more out of the shame that would come with leaving than from belief in the cause. That Colt got a decision paralysis beam from it makes sense.

[second picture id: Those powers… what the hell had Love Lost done, to add another member to Rain’s cluster? end id]

[cpericardium]

Compilation of Megafire's Wildbow Essays (Imported)

I haven't read all of them myself, but the few I did were always worthwhile and interesting, so I thought I'd index them here for anyone who hasn't heard of them or checked them out. As I recall, these were written by Megafire as the chapters were coming out.

CHARACTERIZATION OF CAROL IN WARD

REDDIT INDEX

Chapter 3.6 

The Warden's HQ, or, Playing With Time

Chapter 4.6 

Natalie, or, Working Through Proxies

Chapter 5.9 

Power Dynamics, or, Why Carol Love(s/d) Mark

Chapter 6.3 

Trust, Safety and Control, or, General Opinion

Chapter 7.4 

A Glimmer of Hope, or, Victoria and Carol have an Actual Conversation!?

Chapter 8.2 

Meeting the Parents, or, Never mind, Carol is Back to Being Carol

Chapter 8.9 

Baby Steps, or, Carol Manages to Respect Boundaries for Once

Chapter 9.12-9.13 

Bonus Damsel Interlude, or, This Will Pay Off Later, I Promise

Chapter 10.1 

The Diner, or, I Yell a Lot

Chapter 10.y 

Bonus Chris Interlude, or, This Has Nothing to Do With Carol, I Just Really Like This One

Chapter 12.1 

Ruminating on New Wave, or, Why Mark Loves Carol

Chapter 12.2 

Carol vs Damsel, or, I Told You It'd Pay Off

Chapter 12.f 

Ryan and Cradle, or, What It Means to be Good, and, Competing Access Needs, or, Why the Dream Room is the Worst

Chapter 12.9 

The Bubble, or, Making You Feel Even Worse About Carol Getting Hurt

Chapter 14.5 

The Greenhouse, or, Carol Brought Low

Chapter 14.6 (Sort of) 

Drawing Similarities, or, What's Left for Carol

Chapter 14.7 

Chris' Crossroads, or, Screw It, I Guess I'm Talking About Chris Too Now

Chapters 14.9 + 14.10 

Her Mother's Daughter, or, What Amy Learned From Carol

Chapter 14.12 

Piecing Together Chris, or, What Do Monsters Mean?

Chapter 15.7 

Slaves to Fate, or, Predictions and Responsibility

Also Chapter 15.7 

Ultimate Agency, or, Who Is Contessa?

Chapter 16.4 

Mockeries and Funhouse Mirrors, or, Paths Not Taken

Chapter 16.y 

Attempted Therapy, or, Amy Is Not Doing Well

Chapter 17.1 

Family Issues, or, Confrontations Vis-a-Vis Parentage

Chapter 19.1 

The Curious Case of Sarah Pelham, or, A Basic Overview of the Shit That Happened to Sarah

Chapter 19.9-19.10 

The Talk, or, How To Screw Up Your Kids In One Easy Conversation

Chapter 20.e6 

Carol: Final, or, What Has Carol Learned? (Hint: Not Much)

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PALE ANALYSIS

REDDIT INDEX

Verona and her Dad, a Transactional analysis

Why Verona's Dad is a Literal Manchild - mostly about Out on a Limb 3.1, but with references to 3.4

Adults, Parents and Children

Lucy is Verona's Only Good Parental Figure (and That's Kind Of Sad) - Leaving a Mark 4.2

Pale: Justice

The Cast Of Law And Order: Kennet - Cutting Class 6.z

Practitioner Supremacy

Boy There Are Some Real World Parallels Here - Gone Ahead 7.1

Practitioner Parenting

Regular Old Bad Parenting - Vanishing Points 8.4

Abuse

Brett is an Absolute Bastard - Shaking Hands 9.9

Avery's Games and Gimmicks

Breaking Patterns Is Hard - Dash to Pieces 11.10

Transgressive Acts

Why the Mussers are like the Spartans - Break 5

Practitioners and Others, a Binary

The Binary is a Lie! - Gone and Done It 17.x

Judging the Judiciary

What About the Judges? - Crossed With Silver 19.z

Hostile Environment

Power Plays for the Future - In Absentia 21.12

[stressdollsmusic]

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[whenyouknowyouknow]

Harry the Womanizer

 This thing started because I find the whole womanizer image of Harry absolutely disgusting and wanted people to see how utterly bad and wrong it was.

Please be aware that the following does not reflect Harry’s personality but it shows us the image their label wanted him to be seen as.

Some disclaimer about where the data comes from

written, digital coverage (no print,  1-2 videos, no radio)

google search “Harry Styles”, I looked through the first 20 hits each month but didn’t read all of them ( headlines usually are a dead giveaway if an article contains a new “conquest”)

I did not list every woman that was mentioned in the same article as Harry. Also not those that showed interest in him. But most of those that were said he showed interest in (I might have skipped a few in the worst years just bc it was so freaking disgusting)

Often articles contained offhand comments about his pulling power or unrelatedly recounting his latest conquests in any given article to enforce the womanizer image. These did not make it into the list.

Deleted articles are of course not included (as of Aug 2020)

Some of the women turn up again for a round 2 (or 3 or 4), I only mention them once a year tho

I put the women into the list on the date the news coverage happened/started because many articles date back things by saying  “pics have circulated since…” “They have been reportedly seen together since…” or simply tell a story that supposedly happened a few years prior

Some dates overlap. Thats either bc they pushed several woman at once (very effective to drive the whole womanizer image home) or its bc one woman was seeded in while the other was happening.

Because this is a freaking long post, I’ll put it under the “read more”

About the list

split by years

each year has Harrys age for that given year in brackets

each data set has in brackets the age, occupation and date of news coverage for the woman (if available)

winter gf get their own category as they sometimes overlap with other woman

Some of the woman get brought back up (not just mentioned in passing), those are listed at the end of each year with the dates when they where brought back up

“again” is for those who dated him again

Women linked to Harry

2010 (16)

5(?) girls from bootcamp

Cher Loyd (17, txf fellow contestant, Oct)

unnamed girl fan (13.11.)

2011 (17)

Adele (23, singer, 27.09.)

Sarita Borge (record executive, 29.11.)

2011-2012

Caroline Flack (31, txf, 23.10.-27.01.)

2012 (18)

Pixie Geldoff (21, 09.02.)

Alexa Chung (28, model, 16.02)

Alexandra Burke (23, txf, 20.02.)

Jo Wood (56, ex of Ronny Wood 21.02.)

Denise Welch (54, actress, 21.02.)

Georgia May Jagger (20, Mick Jagger daughter, 21.02.)

Sarah-Louise Colivet (24, photographer, 11.04.)

Lily Halpern (19, singer, 11.04.)

Jillian Harris (32, reality TV star, 13.04.)

Emma Ostilly (18, actor for Gotta be You MV -  22.04.) 

Ellis Calcutt (18(?), friend, deniedm, 30.04.)

Emily Atack (22, TV star, 20.05.)

unnamed girl (Article about her one night stand with H, 06.06.)

Lucy Horobin (32, radio presenter, 24.06., dated back to Aug-Oct 2011)

Caggie Dunlop (23, TV star, 12.07.)

Allyssa Reid (19, singer, 23.07.)

Blond girl with pink bag (from a night out, 26.07.)

Cara Delevingne (19, Model, 05.08.)

Natalie Imbruglia (37, singer actress 28.09.)

 2012-13

Taylor Swift (22 singer 19.10.-07.01. (fling dated back to April 2012 then getting back together)

2013 (19)

Hermione Way (27, reality star, 08.01.)

Millie Brady (18, actress, 24.02.)

Shaniece Nesbitt (fan, 11.03.)

Yvette Fielding (44, TV presenter, 11.03.)

Fia Litton (niece of Preston Mahon (security), 14.03)

Chelsea Ferguson (25, stripper, 14.04)

Kimberly Stewart (33, confirmed by Rod, 27.04.)

Camilla Foss (18, fan in oslo, 09.05.)

Kara Rose Marshall (22, model, 03.07.)

Alexis Allen (19, fan, 21.07.)

Cara Delevingne (20, model, 11.09.)

Paige Reifler (17, model, 30.09.)

Sjana Earp (18, model, 25.10.)

Samantha Armytage (36, TV presenter, 27.10.)

Daisy Lowe (24, model, 01.12.)

Caroline Flack (brought back up, 01.02./11.09.)

2013-14

Kendall Jenner (17, model, 21.10. - 23.02)

2014 (20)

mystery brunette (20.01.)

Alison Mosshart (35, singer, 07.03.)

Daisy Lowe (25, model, 11.04.)

Larissa de Macedo Machado (21, brazilian popstar, 08.05.)

Lou Teasdale (30, hairdresser, 26.05.)

Sinitta (45, Smons ex, 22.07.)

Paige Reifler (18, again, model, 25.07.)

Meghan Trainor (20, singer, 27.08.)

blond woman (at Coldplay concert, 18.09.)

Katy Perry (29, singer, 01.10.)

Erin Foster (31, 08.10.)

Kate Moss (40, model, 03.11.)

two blond woman (leaving a club in LA with H, 30.11.)

Taylor Swift (brought back up, 12.02./02.03./20.08./14.10./04.12.)

Emily Atack (brought back up, 23.03.)

Caroline Flack (brought back up, 26.03.)

2014-15

Nadine Leopold (20, model, 20.12.- 12.03.)

2015 (21)

Emma Watson (24, actress, 14.01. dated back to 26.12.14)

Suki Waterhouse (23, actress, 05.04.)

Joy Muggli (23, talent agent, 12.05.)

Sara Sampaio (23, model, 15.06.)

Georgia Fowler (22, model, inspiration for Kiwi, 15.10.)

Nicole Scherzinger (34, singer, 17.10., dated back to 2013)

Taylor Swift (brought back up, 15.01./13.02./10.03./08.05./13.10./28.10.)

Caroline Flack (brought back up, 24.05./11.10.)

2015-16

Kendall Jenner (again, 30.12.- 31.01.)

2016 (22)

Pandora Lennard (28, model 31.01.)

Lindsay Lohan (30, actress, 10.03., dated back unspecified)

Kendall Jenner (again, 05.09.)

Kara Rose Marshall (brought back up, 07.10.)

Suki Waterhouse (again + dated back to 2013, 11.11.)

Taylor Swift (brought back up, 01.02.)

2017 (23)

Tess Ward (26, food blogger, 09.05.)

Townes Adair Jones (20s, 17.05., dated back to 2014)

Camille Rowe (31, model, 31.07.)

Sjana Earp (22, again, 05.12.)

Taylor Swift (brought back up, 18.04./12.05./03.09./09.11.)

Kendall Jenner (brought back up, 31.01.)

2018 (24)

Delta Goodrem (33, voice coach, 27.04.) 

Camille Rowe (ends 31.07.)

Kendall Jenner (brought back up, 15.07./12.12.)

Taylor Swift (brought back up, 21.03./)

2019 (25)

Kiko Mizuhara (28, denied by K, 12.01.)

Camille Rowe (brought back up, 22.11.)

Kendall Jenner (brought back up, 11.12.)

Taylor Swift (brought back up, 23.08./04.11./13.12.)

2020 (26)

Daisy Lowe (brought back up, 20.06.)

Taylor Swift (brought back up, 02.03./24.07.)

data from here on is not included in the graphs, I will keep adding when things happen

Tracee Ellis Ross (48, actress, 28.10.)

The age differences

The graph shows clearly how

the age gaps are very big in the beginning, likely to attract an older audience in addition to the usual target audience of teenage girls

the amount of woman linked to Harry gets smaller each year because in later years, articles could just reference his history with woman

the amount of woman linked and mentioned in regards to Harry gets significantly lower after hiatus started

A rough timeline of women that where connected to Harry over the years

Why give Harry the womanizer image?

Would the image of a womanizer not damage the image of 1D?

If they’d portrait him as a sleeze it would have surely damaged the overal image of 1D. But Harrys image portrait him as charming, a bit quirky and overall an airhead that likes people and doesn’t want to be tied down. Thus giving the illusion of being potentially available to every woman and showing them a good, no strings attached, time. Which is a massive selling point for boybands to increase the age range of their fans.

In addition, all his conquests would be used to stir up drama or simply generate attention at crucial times to get 1D in the press without mentioning their current promo focus in every headline.

The winter girlfriends had a special role as they were the only ones actively worked as continuous dating. To build some attachment, have a continuous storyline that could be tied to the just released album and bridge the holiday pause, and when the relationship ended generate more drama to be used for promo.

Harry did keep on using his womanizer image to promote both his solo albums but in a very controlled manner. The numbers of new woman linked to him declined to 1 in 2019, for now we are at 0 (1) in 2020

HS promo used 3 woman as inspirations for songs (Towns, Fowler, Swift) and a tour gf (Rowe)

FL promo only uses the previous tour gf as now ex to push the storyline of a breakup album

He is very visibly changing his image while still maintaining a level of connection to his old image. Whether that's due to contractual restrictions or a strategy to not alienate to many fans is unclear

Jeff Azoff

For what I’ve seen Jeff and Harry seem close (the Azoff family having him on family pictures, posted by Jeff’s brother)

Looking at the timeline of Jeff and Harry

2014-03-25 first mention of Harry at Azoff family home in an article about Irvin

2014-04-23 first pics of Harry and Jeff at a sports event (Jeff named as a friend, no name or position yet)

2014-12-22 Jeff not named yet but identified as his agent

2015-01-10 first time Jeff being named and being the link between Harry and a woman

2016-03-07 Jeff leaves CAA as a music agent and launches his own company Full Stop Management

2016-03-11 Harry confirmed to have joined Full Stop Management

Jeff likely took over as Harry’s agent in early 2014. In 2015 Harry’s image change starts to become aparent and changed drastically after hiatus.

Harry choosing Jeffs management firm as soon as he left Modest is a clear indication that he feels Jeff will represent him how he wants

The Timeline - Women connected to Harry and Promo

I started the visual timeline in end 2011 when his womanizer image started to take off

The instances before where likely used as seeding for this image (first instance was a segment in txf where he was linked to 5 of the girl contestants and funny enough one older guy)

purple - women from the entertainment industry

pink - fans/no-names

lilac - winter gf

dark burgundy - thos who date him again

dusky pink - brought back up

light blue - single release

royal blue - album release

mid blue - other releases

dark turquoise - tour legs

Adendum: a few numbers analyzed,

[katsidhe]

Ranking Every SPN Midseason Finale

15) 10.09 The Things We Left Behind. Claire’s reintroduction isn’t as bad as some of her later appearances, mostly because she’s still hostile towards Cas and the Winchesters, but it’s still not great. There’s Rowena and Crowley drama I don’t care about, and Dean kills a bunch of people, which is kinda fun, but would be more interesting if it had any consequences.

14) 14.09 The Spear. Michael’s monsters plan is pretty dumb. I’m still not clear on why Michael stopped possessing Dean at any point. Michael and Jack have a good conversation, and I suppose an assassination is the only viable plan for the Winchesters to go for, but most of this episode is just a series of “why” moments one after another.

13) 1.10 Asylum. This is a perfectly acceptable MOTW episode, and a ghost-addled Sam yelling at and punching Dean is fun, but it’s simply not up to snuff with the kind of plot or character development that the other midseason finales put on the table.

12) 13.09 The Bad Place. I really like Kaia and Jack here. The moment with the angels pounding on the ground to break the wards is genuinely pretty cool.  The stakes get upped with the reveal that Mary’s being tortured in Apocaland, and Dean reacts by threatening Kaia at gunpoint, nice. It’s not a bad episode, and it’s not incredible either.

11) 12.08 LOTUS. Is this episode silly? Oh yes. Am I thoroughly entertained when watching it? Resoundingly yes. Every dumb terrible campy detail--like Lucifer turning crosses upside down—combined with the sheer balls-to-the-wall wtf-ery of the President being possessed, and the interspersed moments of genuine drama—as when Sam banishes Lucifer—creates a combination that I can’t help but enjoy. I also like the likely somewhat unintentional implications as to how the political landscape of the SPN world was changed by the sheer volume of apocalyptic events it’s experienced. Seems fair to conclude that God is angry.

10) 8.09 Citizen Fang. Dean sends Sam after Amelia with a fake text, as their s8 conflict comes to a head. This is far from the shadiest thing Dean’s ever done, but it’s so fascinatingly, unapologetically a Relationship Red Flag that I really enjoy it. Plus, I find Sam’s conflict with Benny pretty interesting here.  

9) 6.11 Appointment in Samara. Dean’s deal with Death is a cool concept, and it’s set up well, but it falls a bit flat. Dean fails the test in a way that’s very predictable, and that has no consequences, because Death likes Sam enough to retrieve him anyway. The better part of this episode is Soulless’ desperate, last ditch attempt to save his life at the cost of Bobby’s—he screams and begs as his soul is returned, and I love the moral dilemma here.

8) 9.09 Holy Terror. Kevin!! His death was viscerally shocking and heartbreaking. This episode is consigned to mid B tier because of the angel drama I don’t care about, and because I am still torn on if I really like Kevin’s death thematically speaking. For one thing, I miss him to this day—I miss having a cynical, informed perspective on the Winchesters in the room. For another, it muddies the waters of Dean’s crime in having Gadreel possess Sam, in ways that are sometimes interesting but sometimes miss the point.

7) 15.08 Our Father, Who Aren’t in Heaven. *chanting* New Cage canon! New Cage canon! Jake Abel steals the show with his insane chemistry with himself, and makes the s15 conflict much more interesting just by existing. I love how goddamn uncomfortable Sam is this entire episode, I love Adam and Michael’s weird compelling dynamic, I love Dean’s awkwardness, and I love the four of them all together. I just want them to sit in a room and talk foreeeever.

6) 7.10 Death’s Door. I don’t even like Bobby that much, but even I have to admit that this is a great emotional episode. Sam and Dean deal with their grief, and it’s done well enough to make me grieve for Bobby too.

5) 2.09 Croatoan. Good episode is good. It’s a zombie episode with a real sense of fear and isolation—and then Sam gets infected. Dean’s violent refusal to kill Sam, the subsequent reveal that Sam is somehow immune, and then a demon revealing that this town died just for an experiment on Sam? Creepy and emotional and intriguing!

4) 4.10 Heaven and Hell. Demon and angel battle! Some very fun additions to what we know about the angels and their motivations: Anna’s commitment to fleeing and defying Heaven, coupled with what appears to be Ruby doing the same with Hell, is cool. I also love how Sam ends up successfully playing both sides off each other. Plus, it ends with Dean’s emotional reveal about his time in Hell.

3) 3.08 A Very Supernatural Christmas. Iconic. Three separate things to love: fantastic pre-series content, including amulet backstory and the reveal of little Sam finding out about monsters; a truly wonderful MOTW that involves Christmas tree stabbing and fingernail pulling; and the looming emotional juggernaut of  a final celebration before Dean’s deal comes due.  

2) 5.10 Abandon All Hope. Crowley’s delightful introduction as a smarmy survivalist, Ellen and Jo’s tearjerking deaths, Cas captive and mouthing off to both Lucifer and Meg, Dean’s unsuccessful shot, and of course Sam and Lucifer’s first meeting in person. Action packed and spooky and thrilling and simply beautifully executed.

1) 11.09 O Brother Where Art Thou? In Hell, is where, and I couldn’t be happier!! Lucifer’s reintroduction coupled with Sam’s distress and brittle scared determination is atmospheric and terrifying. Rowena’s betrayal and Amara’s pitch to Dean are compelling. Most importantly, though, I had to wait a MONTH for 11.10 with Sam’s CRYING FACE in my head: best worst cliffhanger of the series by miles and miles. Bury me in this episode.

[mittensmorgul]

Heya, quick question on my spn rewatch. Lucifer was able to escape the cage in season 11 via The Book of the Damned (+the codex and translation) and a powerful witch. From a Watsonian perspective, why didn't Hell attempt to free Lucifer and start the apocalypse this way in season 4? It seems easier than breaking all the seals like they did. Did they just not know about that route? Or did they want to play things out how "destiny" wanted them to?

Hi there! Poor Watson’s head’s probably spinning trying to pin down an answer, because that answer has evolved over the years. Let me try to explain...

Back before s4, in the setup to everything that exploded after Dean returned from Hell and Sam was being primed by Heavenly misinformation into killing Lilith and freeing Lucifer, we didn’t know the Book of the Damned was even a thing at all. As far as we know, Heaven didn’t know of it, or didn’t know it had the potential to free Lucifer... which it didn’t actually...

Let me back up and explain that one first, I guess.

Actually, let me go back to the beginning, and explain this from Heaven’s perspective, because I think that’s actually the key to everything. The beginning and the end.

The Apocalypse was “prophesied.” It was the Will Of God. The angels had a divine playbook they were operating under, attempting to follow all the steps exactly as Chuck laid them down at the start of the universe. Even if they had a key (which honestly Michael probably knew about all along, since he was the one who locked Lucifer in the Cage to start with), it wasn’t just about freeing Lucifer and getting on with the Apocalypse. It was about the exact process and procedure for doing so that was so important.

Like the Apocalypse was a spell, cast by the angels with the hope that following Chuck’s instructions would bring him back to preside over the end of the world. All the “ingredients” had to be combined in just the right way to please God and bring his Grand Plan to fruition.

And in the end, that’s exactly what we’ve discovered Chuck has been tinkering with in every last one of his universes, too. He kept altering the spell, the structure of each universe, to see it play out with every possible variation, and yet “our universe” in show is the one he’s most intrigued by, because despite everything being set up over and over again to work out as planned, it just... keeps on going.

Okay, back to the details of the Cage in 11.10.

Rowena used the book of the damned not to free Lucifer, but to bring him from the Cage into what I referred to as the “stage Cage.” Lucifer wasn’t free until after Castiel said yes to him. The book of the damned was only able to move him from The Cage into a secondary cage in Limbo. From 11.09:

Crowley: Clearly, if Sam enters the Cage he’s gone. And yes, it’s on my bucket list, now is not the time to be selfish. Need a secure site, a way to neutralize Lucifer’s powers. Sam: In Hell? Crowley: Yes, in Hell! So we have a modicum of control. You think I want that abomination running amok upstairs? Dean: Is it possible to control the situation because if Sam’s not safe it’s not happening. Crowley: Goodness mummy, loosen the grip. Theoretically it’s possible, with challenges. I can arrange for transit into Hell. Opening the Cage, that’s another matter. Dean: You’re the King of the joint. Don’t you have a key? Crowley: It was sealed by God Himself. Of course I don’t have a key. The mechanisms of divine manufacturer, I believe its secrets, along with the spells for warding Sam were recorded where many such mysteries are found – the Book of the Damned.

They don’t  ~actually~ open the cage. It remains locked after Lucifer is freed, but from the superwiki’s description of the events of 11.09 and 11.10:

Having captured Rowena; Sam, Dean and Crowley make a deal with her -- she figures out a way to communicate with Lucifer without opening the Cage, and Crowley will call off his assassins. Having studied the Book of the Damned, Rowena finds a spell that will work for what they need. Sam, Rowena and Crowley gather the ingredients needed and descend to the furthest reaches of Hell -- Limbo, where they will perform the spell to allowing communication with Lucifer in relative safety.

We know that the release of the Darkness upon the “curing” of the MoC was what fractured the cage enough for Lucifer to whisper through the cracks to Sam, but he used the same crack to whisper to Rowena.

Do we really think Rowena was able to crack the cage herself, with just the info from the Book of the Damned? Or did her dreams of Lucifer also give her information she needed in order to facilitate that entire scenario, enabling Lucifer to pull Sam into the Stage Cage with him? Which I’ve always believed was the case, because it’s so reminiscent of how Azazel gained the information he needed to kick off the apocalypse the first time-- by having a little conference with Lucifer in that nunnery in Ilchester. I believe he conveyed information to Rowena about breaking him out, or at least manipulating himself into the most convenient position for then effecting his own escape. The rules still applied-- he couldn’t leave the cage without a consenting vessel, and he came moments from being returned to the actual cage without that, so his freedom wasn’t even guaranteed after all of that.

So no, back during the original apocalypse, that wouldn’t have been a viable method of cracking the cage in the first place.

But also, like we saw with the Hammurabi gun Chuck invented on the spot because it was convenient, things like the Book of the Damned may never have even existed before Chuck decided they should, you know? So whatever explanation works for you-- until Canon clarifies or eliminates it as a potential explanation-- is probably legit. ;’D

I love this show, one great big ouroboros.

[nuclearblastuk]

HELLOWEEN - Announce 'United Alive World Tour Part II'

Looking back to HELLOWEEN's universally lauded Pumpkins United World Tour: the excitement that swept through the media began with the announcement of the power metal legend’s plan to visit at least 32 countries across three continents - but the reactions were nothing compared to the euphoria of over a million fans at sold out halls and festivals around the globe. Immediately following their massive Brazilian tour with the SCORPIONS and IRON MAIDEN, the "Pumpkins United" line-up entered Home studios in Hamburg (where everything originally started in 1984) to work on brand new material. The same recording console used for albums such as "Master of The Rings", "Time of the Oath" or "Better than Raw" is now being used to record a new legendary studio album - analogue and deliberately "back to the roots". With Michael Kiske, Kai Hansen and Dani Löble drumming on Ingo Schwichtenberg’s original drum kit, one thing is for sure: a stronger HELLOWEEN vibe won’t be possible. With UNITED power, the new album will kick down the doors end of August / beginning of September 2020 - produced by Charlie Bauerfeind and Dennis Ward. If this wasn’t enough exciting news, it´s official: the "United Alive World Tour Part II" is coming! The HELLOWEEN party will continue and there are a million reasons to attend again - besides the full speed rollercoaster set to carry fans through three decades of breath-taking material, the brand new album (yet to be named) will be presented live for the very first time. In September 2020, the legendary UNITED line-up will be unleashed again, yet stronger, with the new song material and a ton more horsepower – simply the ultimate "United Alive World Tour Part II". “United Alive World Tour Part II” 26.09.              SK        Zvolen - Ice Stadium 27.09.              A          Vienna - Gasometer 29.09.              CH       Zurich - Samsung Hall 30.09.              I           Milan - Lorenzini District 02.10.              D          Stuttgart - Hanns-Martin-Schleyer-Halle 04.10.              UK        Manchester - Academy 05.10.              UK        London - Brixton Academy 07.10.              F          Paris - L’Olympia 08.10.              LUX      Luxembourg - Rockhal 09.10.              F          Lyon - Le Transbordeur 11.10.              E          Madrid - WiZink Center 12.10.              E          Barcelona - Sant Jordi Club 15.10.              CZ        Prague – t.b.a. 16.10.              D          Bochum - RuhrCongress 17.10.              D          Hamburg - Sporthalle 19.10.              H          Budapest - Papp László Sportaréna 20.10.              PL        Katowice - Międzynarodowe Centrum Kongresowe 23.10.              RUS      Moscow - Adrenaline Stadium 25.10.              RUS      St. Petersburg - A2 Green Concert 27.10.              EST      Tallinn - Noblessneri valukoda 29.10.              FIN       Helsinki - Black Box 31.10.              S          Gothenburg - Partille Arena Tickets for all shows are on sale from 9am on Monday 9th December. More about "United Alive": "Pumpkins United": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mat2YhaceaA "Halloween": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAVeG4KS0JM "Forever And One": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ceqdP9Hbk HELLOWEEN online: www.helloween.org www.facebook.com/helloweenofficial www.instagram.org/helloweenofficial www.nuclearblast.de/helloween

[booksandchainmail]

“She was best when she was taking care of the Undersiders.  When she had to look after herself, because not being at her best meant she might not be able to manipulate and steer her friends."

Ward 11.10 "I had backup, and I had distractions.  People I could dwell on instead of myself.  We were all fueled by different things, and I was fueled by dwelling on others.”

Ward 12.1

I’m having a lot of feelings right now about character parallels, and how both Victoria and Lisa are at their best and most comfortable when they have people to protect and guide, and how far they’ve been pushing themselves for their teams, and now I just really want them to hang out for an evening with no crisis and get a chance to talk

[tradeniveshinvestmentadvisor]

Yes Bank shares break 5%, know what is the reason | Trade Nivesh

Trade Nivesh Yes Bank's stock fell by 5% on Tuesday, but later it managed to recover to some extent. Actually, the board of Yes Bank is going to meet today. A decision on the proposed investment offer is going to be made in it.

The board of directors of Yes Bank will finalize the allocation of preferential shares in the meeting. Then this resolution will be passed. After this, the bank's extraordinary common all ie EGM will be called, in which approval will be taken from the shareholders.

Yes Bank is trying to raise $ 2 billion in capital through the allocation of preferential shares. Many foreign and domestic investors have shown interest in this bank. Capital International is going to invest $ 12 million in this bank, which is part of the US $ 1.87 lakh crore capital group.

In addition, Discovery Capital will invest $ 5 million, Ward Fairey $ 3 million, SPGP Holdings $ 1.2 billion, Rakesh Jhunjhunwala $ 2.5 million and Aditya Birla family $ 2.5 million. Many analysts are considering this stock as suitable for contra investing.

According to media reports, the bank's board may reject the offers of SPGP Holdings and Ervin Singh Brach. Both have offered to invest 60 per cent of the amount of $ 2 billion. Rakesh Jhunjhuwala's claim is also seen in the sourness.

Actually the bank needs money to improve the level of liquidity. The bank can also explore other options to improve this. At 11.10 am, Yes Bank shares were trading at Rs 54.90, taking a dive of 2.31 per cent.

[footyplusau]

St Kilda v GWS: Fast-finishing Saints stun Giants

ST KILDA: 2.4 6.7 10.9 16.12 (108)

GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY 4.2 7.6 11.10 12.13 (85)

Jack Steven and Koby Stevens epitomised St Kilda’s fanatical tackling with this attack on Josh Kelly Photo: Quinn Rooney

Goals: St Kilda: J Gresham 3 B Acres 2 J Billings 2 J Steven 2 N Wright 2 D Minchington D Roberton J Bruce J Newnes T Membrey. GWS: J Cameron 2 T Scully 2 D Shiel D Smith J Hopper J Patton N Wilson R Lobb S Coniglio T Taranto.

Umpires: Brett Rosebury, Brendan Hosking, Andrew Stephens.

Oh when the Saints: the victors sing the song Photo: Quinn Rooney

Official Crowd: 21,160 at Etihad Stadium

St Kilda have returned to Friday night footy in style, stunning Greater Western Sydney with a 23-point upset win at Etihad Stadium.

The Saints trailed by a goal at three-quarter time but exploded in the final term, booting six goals to one for ther term.

Jack Steven (29 disposals, two goals) was dominant in the midfield, half-back Dylan Roberton continued his stellar season and young forward Blake Acres sparked the Saints’ fourth-quarter run with consecutive goals.

It was a miserable night for Giant Adam Kennedy who appeared to seriously injure his knee Photo: Quinn Rooney

With a crowd of 21,160 in attendance, it was the Saints’ best win for the year, and one that showed they belonged on the Friday night stage after a year-long absence.

There was little separating the two sides during a fast-paced start but problems soon emerged for the Giants, with defender Adam Kennedy suffering a game-ending knee injury midway through the first quarter.

The 24-year-old appeared to be in immense discomfort after landing awkwardly during a marking contest and was on crutches in the rooms.

The Giants were soon reduced to two players on the interchange bench when Nathan Wilson’s head was slammed into the turf in an aggressive Koby Stevens tackle.

The tackle was deemed fair at the time – Stevens won a holding-the-ball free kick as a result of it – but the incident is bound to be scrutinised by the match review panel.

Wilson went to the rooms for concussion tests but returned after halftime and was immediately in the thick of the action, setting up a Rory Lobb goal to extend the Giants’ narrow lead.

The plucky Saints refused to go away but struggled to convert their chances, with back-to-back turnovers from Giants veteran Heath Shaw going unpunished.

St Kilda levelled the scores late in the third term before Devon Smith’s 60m bomb kept the Giants ahead at the final break.

But the final term belonged to St Kilda, with Acres booting two majors in as many minutes on the back of Steven’s outstanding midfield work.

Steven capped off a best-on-ground performance with his second goal to put the icing on the cake as the Saints moved in to the top eight.

It was a rough comedown for GWS after their thrilling Friday night victory over the Western Bulldogs last week.

Stephen Coniglio, Tom Scully and Callan Ward were all impressive but the Giants couldn’t overcome the Saints’ fanatical pressure.

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[katsidhe]

Ranking Every SPN Midseason Premiere

15) 10.10 The Hunter Games. Wow, this one is real bad. Has not one, not two, but three subplots I either don’t care about or actively despise: Claire bonding with Cas (uh, he’s wearing her dad’s corpse), Rowena’s petty infighting with Crowley (bleh why), and Metatron smugly egging on Dean’s violence (why would he care?). This is deep in the slog of s10 episodes that go nowhere fast.

14) 13.10 Wayward Sisters. Is it clear yet that I really don’t like Claire episodes? Sam and Dean roasting lizards is the only real moment of fun here. I liked Kaia, so I hated that she gets used as Claire’s insta-friend/retconned love interest in order to immediately fridge her for the backdoor pilot… so that Claire, who was orphaned young, can understand loss, I guess? Pointless and unimaginative. I also resent the deeply, deeply directionless magic spear/Alt!Kaia subplot that eats up, like, four other episodes in s14-15 and accomplishes exactly nothing.

13) 3.09 Malleus Maleficarum. I like this episode for the insight we get into Ruby’s backstory, and the frank conversation that she and Dean have about demons and his impending Hell tour. But other than that, there isn’t too much to recommend it.

12) 8.10 Torn and Frayed. The next several episodes are all good, and are difficult to sort. In 8.10, Sam and Dean choose each other over Amelia and Benny, in all-or-none ultimatums. I truly enjoy how miserable they both seem to find themselves about this, about how their relationship has grown more and more isolating when tbh it needn’t be. Naomi’s control of Cas in this episode fleshes out the chilling implications we got in The Rapture: Heaven is best when its dark AF.

11) 6.12 Like A Virgin. Monsters, dragons, and Eve: the reveal of Purgatory kicks off a brand new chapter of the show’s mythology. But more importantly, Sam is fully back now! Watching him navigate this brave new world while no one will tell him anything is fascinating and more than a little sad.

10) 4.11 Family Remains. Actually frightening! I like it when the show does the ~it was just humans~ twist. And this episode has great commentary on Dean’s emotional state after his reveal about Hell last time. It’s a good MOTW.

9) 15.10 Nihilism. Dean’s bar mindscape. It’s no Sam mindscape, but it’s definitely the most interesting thing that’s been done with Dean and possession. It’s kinda fascinating that Dean’s uncomplicated happy place exists in an underdog Americana limbo without either Cas or Sam. Also gives us, at last, a good take on Alt!Michael’s motivations—he’s hunting down God. Loses points because the idea of managing to lock Michael in Dean’s mind for any length of time is still extremely unlikely.

8) 1.11 Scarecrow. Meg’s iconic introduction, Dean and Sam’s first breakup; emotional clashing over Winchester family dynamics: what’s not to love?

7) 12.09 First Blood. We’ve got Sam and Dean coping with prison very differently, then using their deaths to escape, and an action sequence through the woods: it’s just real fun. Cas breaks their deal with Billie, which ends up having, uh, no consequences whatsoever. It’s a strong kickoff to a regrettably weak second half of s12.

6) 7.11 Adventures in Babysitting. A quiet, emotional breath after Bobby’s death: Sam and Dean are deep, deep in terrible misery. The potent psychological suffering of season 7 is a delight, and 7.11 doesn’t shy away from it. Plus, it’s got Sam volunteering to get bit in the neck, and a rare example of a Plucky Teen (tm) done right.

5) 15.09 The Trap. This is just a worse 11.10. But 11.10 is amazing, so that’s still a compliment: Chuck tries both torture and the promise of various bleak futures to get Sam to cave. Even if the various futures aren’t staged that well, there is so much stuff here that’s ripe for analysis: especially on the broader stage of s15, this episode is plain interesting.

4) 5.11 Sam, Interrupted. Sam and Dean in a psych ward! They’re dealing with the extreme stress and grief of season 5, and they’re doing it badly—this episode provides a great way for their respective coping mechanisms to be forcefully stripped away. In a delightful microcosm of the show, Sam confesses his anger and gets consequently wrestled down and tied down to a cot.

3) 2.10 Hunted. Gordon Walker, whose old-fashioned absolutism is only matched by his competence, is one of the most memorable early seasons antagonists, and for good reason. We also get Ava, the queen of season 2, who has taken it upon herself to warn Sam and save his life. Then Sam and Dean using code words to disarm Gordon’s trap, and the fallout from John’s final words: quality television.

2) 9.10 Road Trip. Oh my god, what a horror show. This is an exemplary episode. Just incredible. Kinda unfair that it has to compete with 11.10, because it would take the gold by a mile in most other matchups. It’s got a fascinating character study of Gadreel, which also serves to inject interest into the s9 angel conflict; it’s the violent, hypocritical lengths to which Dean is willing to go; it’s got needles in Sam’s brain and a nauseating, horrific picture of possession; it’s got That Bridge Scene. The payoff for 9.01 begins to come due, in spades.

1) 11.10 Devil in the Details. Season 11 gets two D-tier ranks and two S-tier ranks; this is the duality of man. Do I even have to explain why I love 11.10 so much? It’s Sam and Lucifer in a room in Hell for an entire episode, nuff said. It gets better with every rewatch—there are so many great tiny moments, so much history. Lucifer’s combination salespitch/dressing-down is threatening and fascinating and mostly accurate; Sam’s rigid terror and courage and heartbreak and anger and resignation and determination are intoxicating. I want to watch them talk in a room forever.

[mittensmorgul]

Did you have a way to explain away the "I would know if he was lying" line from Cas?

Oh hi! Yeah, I’ve got a few theories, and interestingly enough, they’re tied to a conversation conveniently also written by Bucklemming in 12.08... and Ketch...

Mr. Ketch: You. Halo. Do you sense I'm lying?Castiel: My name is Castiel. And... no. But the truth can be situational.Mr. Ketch: Oh. Oh, I do enjoy an angel. But I understand your hesitation.

Especially as we also had a blatant reminder in 13.13 of exactly how trustworthy Cas thinks Ketch’s words are now.

I’d pull the exact quotes for you, but the transcript isn’t up on Superwiki, and I’m not home where I can transcribe the episode, but when they first meet up with Ketch again, Cas doubts him:

But Cas has at times seemed to deploy his lie detecting skills to best effect, so why was he so absolutely insistent that Lucifer had been telling him the truth in 13.07? And why then did he trust Lucifer back in the cage in 11.10, if his lie detection skills are so great, you know?

Well, part of it I definitely believe is intent-- both Castiel’s intent AND the person he’s “reading.”

I think there are people that Cas just trusts without actively trying to determine whether or not they’re deceiving him. Dean and Sam mostly. But also, like with Ketch in 12.08 (and like so many angels in the past, and to specifically haul out my favorite Zachariah quote of all time from 5.18:

ADAM: So you lied…about everything. ZACHARIAH: We didn’t lie. We just avoided certain truths to manipulate you. )

That’s the rub here. Lying can be very subtle, and a lot of it comes down to what the “liar” believes, what he can convince himself is true, and how carefully he can talk around the lie without directly saying anything untrue, but while not giving the entire truth.

Back in 11.10 when Cas said yes to Lucifer, Sam had believed that it was actually God responding to his prayers for help dealing with the Darkness. This was a Cosmic All Hands On Deck Emergency Situation, and despite the fact that Rowena’s spell would’ve sent Lucifer back to the Cage, Cas was both feeling extremely useless personally and desperate to help find a way to stop Amara. Cas may not have entirely trusted Lucifer, but he had a split second to make that decision. He asked Luci one last time whether he could really kill Amara:

Lucifer: Last words?Castiel: Can you really beat her?Lucifer: I can.Castiel: Then, yes.

Lucifer was so confident, and yet... he knew the truth, that the last time it had taken all four archangels PLUS God to beat Amara. Could he really beat her? Was Lucifer lying? Was he just that arrogant about it? Was it some monumental swagger?

I mean, Lucifer is always saying he doesn’t lie... but dude. You lied, friendo.

So we understand how circumstances led to Cas perhaps being too willing to believe Lucifer’s lie there in 11.10, but why would he believe Lucifer again?

Well, first, circumstances were different this time. Going back to 13.07, Lucifer was weakened. Part of his grace had been extracted and he wasn’t at full power. And on top of that, Lucifer was afraid. He was practically begging for help from CAS. Yes, he didn’t want to get sent back to the cage in 11.10, but he was already free in 13.07. He didn’t NEED to seek out Cas’s help, in theory. He could’ve gone anywhere and done anything in the world. But he went to Cas.

And despite Cas being repeatedly dismissive of Lucifer, Luci continued to press the point of just how imminently threatening and dangerous AU Michael could be. And now he’s also had several weeks to observe Lucifer in prison, and the fact that he’s repeatedly even tried to warn Asmodeus about the danger AU Michael will surely bring to their universe. If Lucifer weren’t being serious about that threat, he wouldn’t have persisted.

Cas trusts Lucfer’s intel from the AU, about Michael. What Cas absolutely refused to do was to cede his own power to Lucifer again, the same way he did when he said yes to him back in 11.10. Cas no longer feels useless. So that line, “This is me, learning from my mistakes,” wasn’t about trusting Lucifer, nor was it about whether or not he could kill Lucifer, but it was about what Cas was willing to GIVE Lucifer. Now, Cas isn’t willing to subjugate himself to Lucifer. He’s not willing to give himself over again. Cas has self-worth now.

But lie detection isn’t infallible, because the truth isn’t black and white. After several weeks trapped alone with Lucifer, he’s had plenty of time to test the truth of Lucifer’s assertions. As depowered and “close to human” as Lucifer was behind Asmodeus’s wards, I don’t think Cas had any doubt.

[mittensmorgul]

Yeah, I've been thinking that arguably Eileen's death can be partially traced back to Mary's resurrection and that "ripple effect," since Mary was the one to bring the Colt back into play. I don't know if that'll be plot-relevant later or if it's just one of those things we're left to contemplate on our own, but... yeah.

Yeah, it seems like everything that’s happened since the Colt came back has been a slow slide... I wrote something the other day about how it gave Dean a false sense of confidence in 12.18, and I think that’s a pretty good description of practically everything that’s happened since 12.08.

They finally thought the whole Lucifer mess had been cleared up, and instead of running in that moment of false confidence, they idiotically stood there with President Rooney.

Why?

In the next scene the Secret Service breaks down the door and arrests them. Kelly escapes, and pretty much everything begins going wrong... or we begin to SEE how it’s been going wrong all along... Lucifer isn’t really back in the cage, Crowley’s been running schemes behind the scenes, the MoL have much larger plans for America that don’t really seem at all related to just putting an end to the Winchesters’ messing with the natural order.

But all of that first-half-of-the-season success-- even Cas learning the truth about Ishim and Lily Sunder, even taking out Ramiel, begins to nosedive after the Colt is smuggled out under their noses. We start seeing the lies and machinations that have been working beneath the surface of the entire season.

The lies aren’t all on Mary, nor on Crowley. Some of them are on Sam and Dean (for not giving Mary the full story earlier in the season, for not demanding the full truth from her, for not telling EACH OTHER the full truth). Some of them are on Cas (not telling them in advance that he was going to Heaven to seek assistance in tracking down Kelly and Dagon, not wanting their help in order to keep them safe while he cleaned up what he believes is his mess... going all the way back to saying yes to Lucifer in 11.10-- guilt makes us do stupid things).

But they’d all been on essentially the same page until after the Colt came back. Things started going to heck at lot faster after that point. The ripples spread wider, the BMoL that originally sent two people to run their US Operation were suddenly sending dozens. The chaos factor has been doubling week after week.

And really, you can trace almost ALL of it back to Mary’s reappearance.

Cas going off to hunt for Lucifer alone in 12.03... and insisting that Sam and Dean stay behind to have their family time with Mary... Cas believing that Mary belonged there with them because she was their family, and that he might NOT belong there with them... If Mary hadn’t been there, Cas would’ve been working with Sam and Dean since the jump.

Even in 12.02, Mary proved to be a distraction that got Dean captured by the MoL. Because if he hadn’t left Cas behind to make sure Mary stayed safe, he wouldn’t have been approaching their safe house alone. Cas would’ve spotted the ward, Dean would’ve dismantled them, and they both would’ve been in that basement together to rescue Sam. They wouldn’t have been forced to call a truce and negotiate with the MoL. Her mere presence had already knocked over that first domino.

And all season it’s forced Sam and Dean both to really “grow up” in a lot of ways, and look far more objectively at who they are and what’s made them into the people they are now. And seeing just how much of that was based on reality, and how much was based on the story that became the story.

But there has to reach a point where those cosmic consequences reach beyond their ability to contain them, and I think that’s what began happening in 12.14. They were given a glimpse of the extent of the MoL operation here, and they chose to try and work WITHIN that system. Sam “fixed” the Colt, and that seems to be the moment everything truly started going to heckeroo and they weren’t quite as able to keep a hold on the consequences. Dean was forced to kill an “innocent” vampire to prevent Ketch from torturing her to death for funsies. Sam was forced to kill the Alpha Vampire with the Colt, because he refused to negotiate.

12.15 gives us a rogue hellhound that answers to no one but Lucifer. An invisible monster that’s nearly impossible to control or kill... (and Cas making the awful choice to go back to Heaven)

12.16 has Claire bitten by a werewolf, but saved at the very last second, nearly dying, but still miraculously walking away from the ordeal. 

12.17 has Dagon in a position to potentially kill all of them, and the Colt proving rather useless... and Eileen accidentally shooting Top Of His Class because Dagon SET IT UP THAT WAY. She stood between them, looked directly at Eileen, and knew that bullet would hit the mark.

12.18 has Dean entirely overconfident at having the Colt back, and it nearly gets him eaten by Moloch. Sam arrived at the very last minute after Dean was already down. It didn’t really feel like much of a victory. It was such a close call it inspired them to get all morbid about their legacy...

12.19 has Cas returning, a bunch of miscommunication and almost full communication, and feelings, and pain, and trading up on the curse of the Colt for whatever the nephilim has done to Cas...  Like this was the point the cosmic consequences started to bounce back directly at them and ripple outward again in double-time.

They’d had an opportunity to “fix their mess” back in 12.09, but their fate was sealed long before that. The moment Mary arrived to shake things the way she did with her mere presence.

What was this even about again? *scrolls up... and up and up* Eileen.

And now Mary’s having her will erased by the Men of Letters, who intend to enforce their own will on not just her, but on the balance of nature itself. Their intent is to bring peace to the world, but it’s not a REAL peace. It’s their IDEA of peace. And it most certainly is not freedom, nor is it balanced. It’s horrifying and self-serving... and we have that theme illustrated through the twig dolls in 12.20, the way the witch had used her power without care for anyone else, because she liked things a certain way and the twig people were merely intelligent automatons she could bend to her will to serve her own needs. Max may have used that power to “resurrect” Alicia, but he now has the moral dilemma of what that sort of power over someone might actually MEAN for him. We see the very negative use of a very similar power the MoL have over Mary, and the up-for-debate version of a very similar power the nephilim seems to have over Cas right now.

We’ve seen Sam and Dean try to work within the system that had slowly been (invisibly to them) stripping any power they’d had to make things right-- infiltrating the bunker, monitoring their activity, manipulating where and when they went on hunts, WHAT they were even sent after to kill. They didn’t even notice they were already surrendering bits and pieces of their will (metaphorically), or at the very least their autonomy, to the MoL all along... And they didn’t realize the extent of the MoL’s operations, or just how deep Mary was involved with them, until they’d spread too far to contain alone.

Now we have Ketch locking them up in the relic of what the MoL used to be-- when they were truly preceptors and archivists set to study and learn about the supernatural, and not attempting to create a new world order with that knowledge-- essentially disposing of them and that legacy in one fell swoop.

*scrolls up again*

Yeah, Eileen’s family legacy as an old-school MoL was a part of that reckoning, and her death as the only other legacy who was untainted by the modern BMoL and their agenda, the only other legacy who was ready to stand up to what that legacy had been twisted into by the likes of Dr. Hess and the “old men” back in Britain... it’s just a horrifying waste. I feel like she deserved to be there to celebrate her personal legacy being put right, as well.

I think I made at least one point in here somewhere...