#will is hannibals god blah blah blah

[kuroshika]

honestly im thinking about how hannibal is a firm believer in god but like he also doesnt really say which god. which is soooo funny to me because he sure as hell isnt catholic / christian, because he knows of and follows the teachings of (not in a religious sense, but in the sense that one might follow the news or whatever) other religion’s gods. but in that same vein, he’s also self-identified as a monotheist, so he places his faith in only one higher power, but still recognizes and indulges other deities and religions. he’s sort of accepted and delved really deeply into multiple branches of organized (and unorganized) religion spanning over many different cultures and yet its still unclear which religion he really does follow. he’s made himself above religion while functioning within the inner gears of religion, if that makes sense ??? like he’s set himself on a pedestal that is above the other religions while still relying on those religions to hold his stand up. something something the ripper likes playing his own god.

[lilgynt]

i can’t think about how hannibal literally took multiple children away from will i want to eat glass

[faetreides]

something something hannibal’s relationship/view with/of god in comparison to his relationship/view with/of will & the need to show both his old and new god that what he believes he’s being falsely punished and judged for is in fact beautiful and natural because he simultaneously wants to be superior yet also wants approval deep down blah blah

[mlobsters]

supernatural s12e23 all along the watchtower (w. andrew dabb)

CASTIEL Kelly. I told you I'd put this together. I'm very good at following instructions.

cute

welcome back, friend-o

said it many times before and i'll say it again, so glad to have pellegrino back. man, he's just so creepy as lucifer. can't get over it. they can give the same lines to someone else and it never quite lands the same

LUCIFER All right, well, I'd love to chat with ya, but, uh, why waste my time, right? It's not like you matter. I don't need to put on the old Sam suit anymore, do I? DEAN You know, if you think we're just gonna let you walk – LUCIFER Oh, hey, Dean! I know you fellas are gonna try, you know, whatever. Whatever you're gonna try. But you can't kill me. You've never been able to kill me. And with, uh, witch bitch gone, you can't put me back in the Cage, so like I said… you don't matter. Okay? Buh-bye. Buh-bye.

is rowena actually dead? i was under the impression she was in other later seasons but i don't actually know. that would be a crappy way to go out, to be sure. i know they like to kill people off, but hell, meg got an amazing episode before she was offed. made me cry! meg!! gonna assume not until proven otherwise

KELLY I'm just saying, the checkout guy looked at us like we were super weird. CASTIEL Ah, you'll get used to it.

lol. (unwanted baby tip though, even non-half-archangel newborns grow super fast so you never know how long a size of diaper will fit. some are too big for newborn sizes almost right away! lol)

what in the world. did she just leak some lucifer baby juice on the truck through her hand

how very hell-ish. so who's our mystery guest. old angel, god, benny, hell-au!dean

KELLY Hi, Jack. It's, uh… I'm your mom.

ps my youngest kiddo is named jack lol

s12e23 / star trek: generations (1994)

have to get back to the nexus!

LOL scrambling for an assist from sam, maybe not your best bet what with sam and lucifer's history

SAM Crowley…why did you do it? Save Lucifer– What did you want? CROWLEY I wanted to win. I perverted Mother's spell, put Lucifer in a vessel of my own making because I wanted to win. You have any idea how many people have made a play for my throne over the years? Lucifer, Abaddon, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Too damn many. I thought if I could put the Devil on a leash… my own personal nuke, no one would ever dare challenge me again.

talk about embarrassing, good grief. i'm not sure crowley has the capacity to feel embarrassed really? so at least i'm not feeling it really either, except from a distance. he's not really bothered, i'm not really bothered! i'd like to think crowley would know better than this, but then everyone has their weak spots

curious where this "i hate my job" thing is going. sam seems dubious (as is right). but another thing i love that they generally keep to with crowley is he's playing a long game, almost always. reminds me a bit of a line about hannibal (though crowley is more mushy human regularly than hannibal is honestly)

hannibal s3e2 primavera WILL GRAHAM Hannibal follows several trains of thought at once, without distraction from any. One of the trains is always for his own amusement. ABIGAIL HOBBS He's playing with us. WILL GRAHAM Always.

CROWLEY Well, whenever there's a world-ending crisis at hand, I know where to place my bets. It's on you, you big, beautiful, lumbering piles of flannel

true and also buttering them up but also getting in a dig, all around very signature crowley, yes please and thank you

CROWLEY So if you'll forgive my transgression, I'll make it worth your while. DEAN Which means? CROWLEY After we put Lucifer back in his cage– together– I'll seal the gates of Hell. You'll never see another demon again, apart from, of course, yours truly. MARY You would do that? CROWLEY Why not? They stab me in the back, I'll happily stab them in the front, the sides, and right up their little black-eyed asses. So… we have a deal?

LOL he wanna move into the bunker too?

CROWLEY This is what you do when I'm not here? Type? DEAN Yep.

haha crowley see it's boring being the good guys too

now what are the odds that crowley does stay there, sitting down, and shutting up :p

DEAN Saving your ass. SAM You and Kelly just taking off was a stupid move. But there's no way we're letting Lucifer get his hands on that kid. It ain't happening. DEAN Look, Sam's right, okay? We'll work through our crap. We always do. But right now, we are here to get you, get Kelly, and get gone.

interesting, feels like sam rarely gets mad at cas. he was actually a little angry here, guess risking lucifer getting jack because they skipped town was a hot button

(ok i went to go look at the script to see if it said what he was thinking and wow a ton of stuff here didn't make into the episode. crowley being wayy too human and more. ok actually all of this is way different than what is happening, i gotta stop reading)

CASTIEL It's a doorway to another world. DEAN Anoth– What, like Narnia? CASTIEL No. No, through there it's Earth, but…but different. It's a– it's an alternate reality.

haha my hell-au!dean batshit suggestion not sounding so batshit!

SAM So it's a Bizarro world? Or – or like the place we got zapped to where we were, uh, uh, actors on a TV show. DEAN Oh, yeah. The supernatural wasn't real. SAM Yeah. DEAN And you were Polish.

:p silly

LOLOL oh my god hell-au!BOBBY! i did not go batshit enough. laughed until i was wheezing

CASTIEL As I said, it's– it's Earth. But this Earth is locked in eternal war between Heaven and Hell. There are armies of angels fighting hoards of demons, and the few humans that remain are caught in between.

--

SAM Yeah. John Winchester, our father. BOBBY Doubt it. He's dead. Been dead over 40 years now. Only reason I know about him is this Hunter I ran with, Mary Campbell. You get a few pints of shine into her, and she always told the same story about the man she loved– John Winchester. Azazel killed her about 10 years ago. SAM Cas, what the hell is this? CASTIEL This is a world where you were never born. It's a world you never saved.

haha so it's like SEE this is what would have HAPPENED if mary didn't make the deal with azazel!!!! so she did the RIGHT thing!!! you know i don't think she had a choice since heaven and hell were behind the scenes pulling strings, so i never felt like mary needed absolution, but okay then

MARY Okay. I think they're less than five minutes apart now. It's almost time. How you doin'? KELLY I'm dying. MARY I know. KELLY But that's okay. 'Cause wouldn't you die for your sons? MARY Yeah.

usually pregnancy/labor doesn't get to me but man this is pushing my weepy buttons unexpectedly. some of this being too relatable to when my jack was born (without the anticipated imminent death). they also deployed the mushy music

DEAN You know, Cas has faith in this kid.I hope he's right. But me? I have faith in us. You, me, Mom, Cas. And Crowley. Sometimes.

sweet and cute

shove lucifer into the nexus!

cute. and padalecki's hair always looks best to me when it's a little disheveled

well crowley surely can't be dead after this apparent self sacrifice too, right?

and now cas going in to fight when they're trying to seal the nexus. we're maxing out the drama

cas dead but what, soon to be revived by jack? chuck? somebody. and lucifer pulling mary into the nexus while she uses her amped up brass knuckles to..... punch lucifer in the face a bunch. hoookay. which conveniently now decides to seal with them both inside. with a dead?? crowley

i went back and read through the (production draft) script and things were moved around and a lot was changed/removed. i have only recently gotten in the habit of skimming the scripts when available more regularly for the ep i'm on, so i dunno how common it is for them but so far i haven't seen one even close to as many differences from script to screen that this had

[acesstark]

I like to think that post-fall, Will is the first to make a move and close the last bit of distance between himself and Hannibal— but it took a very frustratingly long amount of time for him to do so.

Hannibal absolutely could have done it first, but he wanted Will to be the one to come to him. Maybe it was a tiny bit petty, a sort of payback for Will running off and marrying someone else and not seeing him for three years, maybe it was Hannibal wanting confirmation that Will wouldn’t leave him this time. (He was mostly being petty, though.)

Hannibal flirts, heavily, because they both know how Hannibal feels and he loves seeing Will squirm. He lets his hands linger on Wills shoulder for longer than necessary. He unashamedly, appreciatively, drags his eyes across Wills form early in the morning. He stares down anyone in town that glances at Will any longer than a few seconds, silently telling them to back off.

Will notices all of this, and obviously knows how Hannibal feels about him. It’s almost uncomfortable at first, Will still hasn’t completely admitted to himself what he knows deep down he really wants (being deep in denial is what will graham is best at).

It builds, though, the more he clocks the look in Hannibals eyes when their gazes meet, when he begins to appreciate Hannibals possessiveness when they’re in public, when he realizes he’s gone days without thinking of Molly and the life he abandoned, when he finds himself waiting up for Hannibal to get home— home— late into the night.

It all hits its peak after a particularly frustrating night for Will. Hannibal’s found his way into Will’s dreams, last nights dream being particularly vivid, and Will lies in bed for a moment after waking before he realizes that it wasn’t real. He stumbles his way out of his room, smelling coffee from the pot Hannibal always has running before Will wakes up, and he enters the kitchen to find Hannibal at their small dining table, coffee mug in hand and eyes trained on Wills movements across the kitchen.

Will blushes, the knowledge of being watched making him feel like Hannibal can see what’s going on in his head, and turns his back to grab a mug from the cabinet above the coffee pot.

In reality, it happens quickly, but to Will it felt like years. One moment, his back is to Hannibal, the feeling of eyes on him a weighty presence, and in the next, there’s a solid body pressed up against his backside. Hannibal, somehow right behind him, reaches up to open the cabinet above their heads and pulls a mug down, placing it in Will’s hand before the man even gets the chance to turn around.

When he does, he meets Hannibal’s gaze immediately, and something in it is so heavy and openly wanting that it makes Will gasp, a little ohmygod that he knows Hannibal hears perfectly based on the way he tries, and fails, to conceal a small grin.

“Not God,” Hannibal murmurs, soft and low into the small space of air between them. “But close.”

Will thinks for a second, I want to kiss him, and he does.

…

Blah blah blah they live happily ever after eating people and being homosexually in love The End.

[kaijuposting]

Some observations on Newt Geiszler

Newt thinks Hermann is a bit loony sometimes, and he isn't afraid to show it. When Hermann proclaims that "numbers are as close to we get to the handwriting of God!", Newt immediately responds with a baffled, yet very amused "What?" Then he mocks Hermann by mouthing "blah, blah, blah" and making mouth movements with his hand. Newt will absolutely clap back at Hermann. When Newt says that he thinks that the kaiju are attacking under orders and Hermann responds with "that's impossible," Newt immediately reacts with "Is it impossible?". When Hermann doubles down, Newt gets pissed and yells back "You know what, why don't you drift with a kaiju?!" Newt recovers quickly from being flexed on - Hannibal Chau stuck a butterfly knife up his nose, and short while later he's perfectly calm. Newt only has so much patience for Hannibal's shenanigans, too. He makes this perfectly clear when he says "Guess who's back, you one-eyed bitch? You owe me a kaiju brain." And sure, he's shaking, but that's literally because a kaiju just tried to eat him. I think most people would be pretty shaken under the circumstances. According to this deleted scene, Newt wasn't exactly thrilled with Raleigh Becket's attitude, and he very quickly made it known. Raleigh thought he was going to have the last word when he put his hand on Newt's shoulder and said "trust me, you don't wanna," but Newt fights back and basically makes it clear that he thinks Raleigh is all violence and no brains. The only reason the argument stops is because Stacker Pentecost cuts it off. So basically, Newt Geiszler is full of piss and vinegar. He can more than hold his own against any snark Hermann can throw at him, and he doesn't let anyone else walk over him, either. He's no delicate little flower; he's a bitey little varmint. One can't really imagine things going well for anyone who tries to meddle in Newt's affairs; he is not subtle, but he is quick to anger, and he will laugh at you. (God help the poor fool who tries to get Newt and Hermann go on a date, let alone kiss before they feel good and ready for it, for this soul would face both of their wraths. I think it's safe to say that when this happens it's going to happen on Newt and Hermann's schedule, and not a moment before.)

[zapgraptrash]

42, 4 ocs of your choice :)

as in 42 (x4) times? i'll do that and do number 4 just in case i misread lol

42. Let them vent for a second, without the fear of being judged. What would they like to say?

slyger: WHY is it that OTHER ANIMALS can eat their own kind and it's accepted as part of NATURE, but when I do it, i'm A CANNIBAL and a MENACE TO SOCIETY? i'm not even fully human by the arbitrary standards! i'm sure PLENTY of other people would think this is STUPID if they too were to eat another human. it's not like i even do this ALL THE TIME either??? it's all STUPID, FUCK SOCIETY, HANNIBAL LECTER WAS RIGHT.

zapper: YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS? grappler: taking multiple dicks at-- zapper: WHEN PEOPLE DON'T PUT THE LIDS BACK ON THINGS. HOW HARD IS IT TO DO? YOU WERE JUST USING THE THING, YOU WERE ABLE TO REMOVE THE LID JUST NOW, WHY IS IT SOOO DIFFICULT TO PUT IT BACK AFTER? grappler: is this because of the toothpaste or the pringles? zapper: YOU LEFT THE FUCKING CAP OFF THE TOOTHPASTE AGAIN??

dom: why do Hot Dogs come in Package of 10 but the Buns come in Package of 8? for the People who don't have a Bun with their Hot Dog people might say. but a Hot Dog with no Bun is just a Sausage. if you want Sausage, why would you buy Hot Dogs? there is no Substance to a Hot Dog Sausage alone. the Bun and the other Filling is part of the Dog as a whole. if you want Sausage alone, that is when you get Bratwurst or something. it makes no Sense to Dom why Buns come in 8 and Hot Dogs come in 10.

jeffrey: it's sooooo hard to be surrounded by MORONS all the time! in fact i have dedicated a paragraph of crticism to each of these empty headed freaks i am forced to be surrounded by, day in day out-- thaddeus: nobody has time for that. jeffrey: babe no i need to-- thaddeus: send post.

---

4. What is the thing they like the most about their friends and what is the thing their friends like the most about them?

grappler can answer this since blah blah his colour is the Harmony colour in the pride flag

i mean what's not to like about me right. i'm a fuckin riot, i'm the coolest person they know.

do i gotta give a reason for all of em? well ok i guess. they're not listening right? this shit is so lame.

uhh granox. he's hilarious and he doesn't even try to be. just the way he says shit and when it takes like 3 seconds for his brain to catch up that's hysterical.

ricky now that she isn't like our boss anymore, she's actually cool as hell. ultimate wingman. wingwoman whatever. she'll literally big anyone up and make em believe they can do anything. everyone needs someone like that in their life y'know.

dom, if you like ever wanted a friend who will dish out the physical affection, she's the one. i know it sounds big cringe but her hugs rule. and she like hangs on to your every word, she like remembers the smallest of things

thaddeus i mean uh have you seen him? yeah he's hot as hell and oh my god he sure knows how to [REDACTED]. ok but like fucking aside, he like knows a ton of shit? once you get him talking he'll talk your ear off about something and it's like, so cool to listen to? always the quiet ones.

does masuyo like consider me a friend? well i hope she does i guess. she's badass. like in the effortless way. not many people can pull that off.

slyger sucks ass hahaha he's a big fuckin baby. (is he listening? no? ok well you know the animal people he draws? what the fuck that's awesome man.)

i'm not gonna talk about zapper fuck him haha. he like knows how annoying i think he is already.

[veryspecificnostalgia]

animal + cannibal by ke$ha

original release: 2010

[catastrophic-crisis]

society if the "super" and "lock" in superwholock were instead something else

[roaringheat]

"ive never known myself as well as i know myself when im with him" BIH HELLO???

[shinelikethunder]

I missed Hannibal fandom when the show was airing, so I have no idea whether I’m voicing an Accepted Opinion or an Unpopular Opinion or wading into longstanding discourse...

...but goddammit, I loved Abigail for herself and her own weird interiority and issues, and she deserved so much better than to be made into a hallucinatory mouthpiece for the part of Will that’s still desperately in love with Hannibal Lecter.

(I say this as someone who both Ships The Thing and enjoys the fuck out of s3 and how trippy it is. Doesn’t matter. Doesn’t even matter how clever the writing is and how you can tell by the total lack of interiority that something is off and this clearly isn’t Real Abigail. No matter how much I enjoy shameless OTP content, I do not want it delivered via the tacky, gratuitous waste of a character I originally enjoyed.)

[adhdphilosopher]

i need, i NEED, something lighter and more fun to break up the incredibly heavy air of every day. and yet?? my brain is like “you told your classmates you would report back with your opinion on hannibal s3 so you gotta watch the entire thing tonight/tomorrow. no breaks”

[gods-leastfavorite-parent]

Blogging My Mom’s Reactions to Hannibal, “Mizumono”

When Jack and Hannibal are speechifying

Mom: Y’all are so dramatic.

-

*seeing Garret Jacob Hobbes* Ugh, this guy? Didn’t we leave him behind in season one?

-

*on seeing Freddie Lounds* 

Mom: Look at this Irish ass woman, wearing an Asian top.

My brother: She could be Scottish.

Mom: What difference does it make?!

-

*the book scene*

Mom: They did not meet often enough for this many notes.

Me: Hannibal’s obsessive, though. And kind of creepy.

Mom: He’s not kind of creepy, he’s VERY CREEPY. 

-

Mom: Does he think they’re gonna run off together and live happily ever after?

Me: I can’t impress upon you enough how much that’s the plan.

-

Mom: *listening to the dialogue* I swear to god, the fucking writers on this show are on shrooms at this point.

-

Mom: Is he gonna SNIFF HIM?!?! 

Me: Yeah.

Mom: UH, FUCKING WEIRDO! This guy!

-

“I dream darkness comes into me”

Mom: It DID!

Me: Mom!

Mom: What? It’s right in front of me, that’s what it is!

- 

*when Will and Hannibal are talking about the imago*

Mom: He’s hurt by that! He’s like, “Why can’t I be your ideal, Will? Just for a moment?”

-

Mom: They’re really playing up the god imagery.

Me: Well, the thing you have to understand mom, is that religious imagery is extremely gay.

-

My mom, a lawyer, when the government woman says Jack can’t entrap Hannibal like this: She’s right, and I hate that she’s right.

- 

Mom: Oh this is from the first episode! Oh, he’s gonna hurt Jack and I don’t like it!

Jack: *you’ve been my friend, blah blah*

Mom: I think he’s sincere. Jack, you need a therapist.

Me: ... not THIS therapist, though.

-

*when Jack and Hannibal are fighting*

Mom: 👀👀

-

*randomly while Hannibal and Alana are talking* Mom: God, I hate his hair.

Bro: Don’t we all.

-

Mom: Leaving without saying goodbye is rude, but not killing people.

-

*when Alana shoots with no bullets*

Mom: *hysterical laughter*

- 

*Abigail lives and pushes Alana*

Mom: ........... this ... little ... HOOCHIE MAMA

-

*final confrontation*

Mom: *sweetly* We couldn’t leave without you because of the family unit, Will. We couldn’t leave without our daughter who’s just as FUCKED UP AS WE ARE!

Mom: *more hysterical laughter* I wanted to surprise you! It’s a gift! I didn’t kill our fake daughter!

Mom: *laughs* I just gutted you, but I forgive you!

Mom: God, the beautiful flooring ... being stained by all this blood ...

-

*sees Bedelia*

Mom: ... What the fuck. What the fuck. Doesn’t she have- WHAT THE FUCK.

-

Mom: Ugh. I don’t even wanna say his pretentious ass name.

Me: Call him that ho.

Mom: *scoffs* That wanna-be ho. He can’t get with Will. 

[mlobsters]

supernatural s15e5 proverbs 17:3 (w. steve yockey)

the ghost pepper jerky thing was pretty cute, minus the gagging. reminds me of this local jalapeño jerky i bought at some i don't even know what thing in a giant corporate building when i was working as a temp doing the most tedious data entry job over the summer one year in phoenix in the late 90s. it was luscious. always chasing that jerky dream

padalecki getting to flex all sorts of different characters. demon blood!sam, lucifer!sam. so, we going with this is just nightmares? not visions? reminds me of when he was so certain the visions he was getting were from god and never considered they were coming from lucifer in whatever season that was. 11? just with all his history, would think visions might be up there in the list of considerations whenever some weird ass shit is going on in his head. but who knows, maybe he has had vivid nightmares like that before so he brushes it off. if i wanna fill in the gaps for them

DEAN Look at you. You look like a baby. SAM Me? Look at you. DEAN What? I look exactly the same.

cute cute. what is that picture of sam lol. wiki says that's s1 sam hair but his hair never looked like that in the show :p

via the wiki

Sam and Dean go undercover as U.S. Wildlife Service agents, with Sam taking the alias "Agent Mark Hamill" and Dean using "Agent Dean Ford". Sam and Dean last used these identities in 1.03 Dead in the Water. "Deep cut", originally a music term, generally means an obscure reference that only people with an intimate knowledge of a topic will get. Additionally, when Eric Kripke was pitching Supernatural, he used the phrase "Star Wars in truck stop America", and described the characters of Sam and Dean Winchester (then Harrison) thus: “If Sam’s the good kid, Dean’s the troublemaker. If Sam’s Luke Skywalker, Dean’s Han Solo.”

very kind of... cheeky shots. the slightly goofy outfits, the taxidermy, her being so low down and looking way up. i see this is another speight jr directed episode

we're pushing hard on this dean will protect the girl who was attacked thing, which seems like setting up for failure

this getup is very cute on sam, not gonna lie

ANDY I didn’t want to hunt people in the first place. Dad would never have – JOSH Dad is dead! JOSH Look, hey. If you don’t want to hunt people… we’ll stop.

LOL the brothers and the younger one doesn't want to hunt and dad is dead. except the hunting is eating people

JOSH I don’t lie to you. I look out for you. So, we’ll stop.

see, just regular brother stuff

DEAN Do I like it? I do. I mean, there’s bad, don’t get me wrong. A lot of bad. Still, feels good to help people. You know? ASHLEY Did you ever want to be anything else? DEAN Jimi Hendrix. DEAN No, not really. I’m where I’m supposed to be.

confirming he's still in on the job and life and all i guess. speaking of, what about sam's crushing grief and depression from last episode

jesus christ. we had one vampire kid offering himself up to be killed last episode, now we've got a werewolf brothers murder suicide

15x05 / hannibal s1e1

LOL what. is chuck just having a laugh or something.

lilith, really?? this reunion tour is so far beyond out of hand :p

LILITH Was dead. Yeah. In the Empty, sleeping the big sleep, until the boss brought me back. SAM The boss? Lucifer? LILITH God. I was supposed to get rescued and in a moment of sweet relief seduce Dean, blah blah blah, obviously that’s not happening now, so – oh, well.

should have gone for an older body if that was the case, i don't think dean's really down for 22 year olds anymore

really doing the greatest hits here. now sam gets a visit from demon!dean in his brain while he has yet another concussion

LILITH Word for word. God… he is not exactly Shakespeare. He’s more of a low-rent Dean Koontz. I had to listen to his whole, quote “writing philosophy”. And his very weird, very pervy obsession with you. Then it always ends the same. One brother killing the other. I mean, this world… he could’ve ended it in so many ways, and… he likes that one. You know, I guess that’s why you had to see the werewolf brothers die the way they did, ‘cause… foreshadowing.

like, the meta shade is getting to be a LOT. i'm not arguing being while i love sam and dean, i don't often like the plot. but if y'all agree, be better :p

i like the actress who is playing lilith though, she seems to be having fun with it

DEAN That Cas? SAM Yeah, straight to voicemail. Again. DEAN Yeah, well. We gave the heads up on Chuck and Lilith, so… what else are we supposed to do?

i thought the whole breakup with cas thing was a bit out of left field but whatever. dean was being an asshole so, good for him taking a break and staying incommunicado

DEAN So, what? We’re just stuck in his… in his maze, still? And now, Lilith is back. I mean, what’s he gonna do? Just throw our greatest hits at us?

mmhm.

SAM Dean, my dreams, or visions, or whatever… they all end the same way. With us killing each other. DEAN You’re just telling me this now? SAM I-I thought they must’ve been some form of messed up PTSD, but… but what if they’re not? What if I’m somehow seeing Chuck’s endings? You know, different ones.

see, that is one of the few bright spots of the late-late seasons. they actually talk about important things in a semi-timely manner

DEAN How would that be possible? SAM ‘Cause of this. When I shot Chuck, the bullet wasn’t a bullet, it was uh… a piece of me. Right? So, what if it created a – a link of sort, you know? I mean, what if – what if I don’t… what if somehow, I’m in his head?

okayy that's not the explanation i was expecting. the bullet was a piece of him? i thought it was just energy. guess i wasn't really paying attention to the technobabble explanation either

feels like it's been a while since dean's really broken down like this and gotten emotional. usually in the big emotion scenes with sam, dean's the one that's keeping pretty steady. but can really feel some of the despair coming through this time and like he's actually choked up

i think i've been a little confused/judgey about how it seemed like he was very emotional in the early seasons and it just locked up tight, like jackles wasn't going there because xyz reason that wasn't necessarily a show reason. which is silly, he's all-in on the show and character. so i'm sure it was a character choice. but i guess the shift felt unnatural to me? maybe it'll make more sense when (i'm saying when, not if) i rewatch it. or maybe it's not as stark as i'm remembering it

[masterthespianduchovny]

I never wished for Gillian’s relationship to fail, but I was largely indifferent to it and it has nothing to do with Gillovny. Funny enough, I do actively dislike David’s relationship for obvious reasons.

I wasn’t super involved in the tumblr fandom during 2015-2016, but I do remember all of the fuckery that went down with David and gillian. Their behavior was what ignited dormant and new shippers. It added flames for those who never let that flame die.

So, you had all of G and D’s antics and shit, which many were going crazy over. Some notable people as well who have since distanced themselves from that era. Like most people were for this shit because whatever was going on between them was too hard to dismiss as being friendly or professional behavior. Or even harmless flirting.

Now, there are those who always insisted that G and D were acting and putting this show on for the fans. I guess to drive ratings, but this argument has always been nonsensical to me. For starters, people who are interested in Gillovny are going to watch regardless. Almost everyone else don’t give a shit and was going to watch the revival for Mulder and Scully. The things fans went crazy over wasn’t enough to even get anyone interested in the show who wasn’t already interested.

Like, the kimmel interview is mostly only interesting to someone who follows Gillovny or knows of their history. Other people would find their behavior interesting, but would they really make them watch the show??? And it’s barely even a headline.

So, what they were doing back then was enough to get philes excited, but not enough to drive ratings. Which cancels out the idea that they behaved the way they did to garner attention.

But, the naysayers kept insisting that this was all a PR ploy.

After (???) season 10 premiered, Gillian was spotted with Peter I suppose. And she kept being spotted with him. Don’t know the true timeline. But, when this happened, suddenly, these same naysayers were Gorgan. They were all in on Peter and Gillian and throwing shots at Gillovny fans and how we were “played.”

(It must be noted that just because Gillian ended up dating Peter doesn’t mean she didn’t have a thing with David. Lol)

Over time, they were gassing up this relationship and talking about Peter’s greatness and how he and Gillian balanced each other.

For me, my bullshit meter was going on.

Yes, some fans just wanted Gillian to be happy and shit, which I’m all for, but the loud gorgan supporters used this relationship to “get back” at the Gillovny crowd. I honestly don’t know how hostile it became between the two groups, but from what I did see, this support was superficial, which was proven years later.

Because, imo, how can you be for a relationship that just started and you barely know anything about it? How can you know all of this about two people you have no insight on? Gillian keeps her relationships largely private and we know even less about Peter’s relationships (read: marriage), yet there are posts about how these two are a good fit? Lol

What solidified my indifference was Gillian’s behavior. Pre like 2013, Gillian wasn’t really featured in the media all that much because she wasn’t doing any noteworthy projects. Then, she did the fall and was featured more. She was very vocal about being a feminist and shit. “Future is female”, talking about her same sex relationships, didn’t want to be in relationships unless she was in control. Isn’t this the woman who famously ended a relationship by going home and leaving her then boyfriend on the beach to find his way home? Lol.

Gillian’s image was very independent, assertive, I’m the boss, blah blah blah.

Then, she gets with Peter and it’s “he’s responsible for my success.” Peter this, Peter that, blah blah blah blah.

Gillian’s image is now submissive, insecure, handing the reigns over to her man.

That was something that made me look at her differently and not care for her relationship. It felt like whiplash from her previous image.

That image she cultivated with Peter was so contradictory in what she presented herself as while they were together. So, although I still supported her professionally, I just wasn’t here for the relationship.

Ironically enough, Gillian and Peter are the ones who come off as having the PR relationship compared to whatever David and Gillian were doing. Maybe not on the red carpet, but Gillian has (always) been silly and sexual with David. There are x files outtakes that proves this. She jokes/“jokes” with David about wanting to suck his “cock” and David has said shit to her like “did you just cum?” In many of their interviews, Gillian is the the giggly and silly.

Even when Gillian was with Mark and David was still with Tea, that dynamic was there, but a muted. 2015/16 was more pronounced, but it didn’t come out of nowhere. So, the idea that this was PR doesn’t track.

But, Gillian gets with peter and, suddenly, she has a personality change and is singing the praises of her boyfriend who she later works with.

Do I believe this was a PR relationship? Tbh, I don’t give a shit either way. But, PR relationships exist and have always existed in Hollywood. They function many ways: to bring attention to one or both parties, to deflect from (potential) rumors, to build hype for a project, etc.

Peter and Gillian were gassing each other up and shit, selling one another and their relationship. Many famous married couples don’t even talk about their spouses like them (and, yes, I believe these married couples love one another).

The thing about David and Gillian is that, even tho some thought something may have been going on around 2015, some people have always thought they were fucking at one point in time. Others think they just have massive chemistry. But, why would they need to fake a thing between them that they won’t admit to to manufacture interest in the show that people were excited to see come back? It sounds contrived, doesn’t it?

Compare that to: a well loved and acclaimed actress who hasn’t had meaty work in a while getting together with the creator and writer of a show that’s an Emmy darling. They’re always singing each other’s praise, which is noteworthy for a person who doesn’t talk about her relationship much. Who she then later works with on said show.

Which one sounds more like PR?

The actors who’ve had mad chemistry since they’ve auditioned together? Who’s chemistry never wavered even when they couldn’t stand each other and now are in a better place?

Or...

The actress and writer who talk about how wonderful their partner is and that this relationship is so mature, and then later work on his show together before breaking up a month later?

I honestly don’t think it’s absurd to have skepticism towards gorgan. Many of those adamant that gorgan was real and others are delusional are invested in gorgan because their anti Gillovny. And some did truly want to see her happy, but most weren’t invested in that way.

Whether someone thinks gorgan was real or not, I found it embarrassing on Gillian’s part. It’s probably more embarrassing if it was PR and sad if it was real.

And I know ppl will disagree with that because they found the relationship mature and supportive, but again, crediting Peter with the success of her career??? You can’t even argue, “she means now” because Gillian was getting a career resurgence and rave reviews for Stella Gibson and bedelia de murier (???). She had her role in American gods (I know it was one episode).

And in each of these roles, it was “omg! Gillian Anderson!!!”

She was so loved in Hannibal, they fucking expanded her role. And this was all pre Peter (American gods may have had some overlap).

Gillian isnt “struggling” for roles because people don’t want to hire her, she’s “struggling” because she’s trying to find roles that balances being a working actor with being a hands on mom.

And that’s why I was always “meh” about the relationship. I don’t think Peter’s a bad guy and he’s good at his job, but the way Gillian’s persona changed during this relationship was off putting and I didn’t care to get invested in them for that reason. But, as I mentioned on other occasions, the vocal support of the relationship and notable silence when they ended will always be fascinating to me. I honestly believe that gorgan support was fueled by the anti Gillovny crowd and backlash to David’s relationship (its a 🤮 for me too) and behavior towards Gillian regarding the x files’ potential continuance.

[brave-clarice]

“Clarice” Liveblog: Episode 7

disclaimer: there’s going to be discussion of a lot of little details I disliked in this one, but as a whole, I liked it a lot better!

honestly? Clarice’s coworkers have every reason to question if she’s “okay” given what we’ve seen so far on this show.

and yeah, coming back from leave a week after being repeatedly tortured does “seem soon”.

AG Martin is using Clarice just as badly as Crawford ever did.

why does Krendler look so sharp? tailored waistcoat, crisp shirt...his costumes would look more in-character for Hannibal than Paul Krendler. I don’t get it.

not sure I like the “my people mined coal, so we know when we’re okay to work” flex, but...whatever.

she makes some truly uninspired costume and hair choices look great

“who am I, James Bond?” are you an FBI agent or aren’t you, Krendler?

BIG Jack Crawford and his Pepto Bismol vibes, but dammit, Krendler should NOT be like Crawford!

now Ardelia’s back to collaborating with Clarice on a case like it’s no big deal??? way to make her look like a hypocrite. again.

idk, I still think Ardelia could have an FBI subplot AND be part of Clarice’s life without constantly working with Clarice within an FBI context (their careers don’t really intersect in the books). those things aren’t mutually exclusive.

“he died instantly” um, is Clarice a medical examiner now? I know she’s got a forensics background, but she’s just now seeing the body.

“Cody didn’t feel any pain” how does Clarice know that and why is confident enough to say it to the kid’s mother?!

also, are victim’s family members usually allowed right into the crime scene like that? paging @special-agent-pendragon​!

“let’s talk when we can” Clarice, honey...you literally live with Ardelia, lmao.

the crooked lawyer’s office reminds me a LOT of Chilton’s office in Silence.

Paul Krendler: Good Guy and Faithful Husband...don’t know him!

and again...this is a waste of time on Clarice’s show.

she’s so dang cute!

hey, a reference to Ardelia’s grandma!

Clarice and Ardelia working on a case together at home, off the clock, is way more on brand!

also Clarice eating junk food...that’s my girl :)

I too sometimes eat Lucky Charms out of the box, haha.

omg, Ardelia’s actual grandma!!!

and: a reference to her frying pan, the one Clarice looks into after reading Hannibal’s letter!

Clarice is finally laughing and drinking and having a good time with her best friend...I’m so happy about it.

literally exactly what I wanted/this show NEEDED

“at least my father‘s still alive” oh...my god...they really made Ardelia Mapp say that to Clarice... I...don’t know what to say except that I hate it. the scene was so great otherwise, too.

to be clear, imo this is not an appropriate thing to say to your best friend, ever.

Clarice might be drunk, but her nonchalant reaction (giggling!) is all wrong too, particularly for this Clarice, who’s always been shown as deeply traumatized/haunted.

maybe I’m 100% off-base on this, but I feel like Ardelia’s backstory in this show is at odds with her career choice: why does she go into law enforcement at all? does she truly believe she can make a substantial difference? hope this is addressed at some point.

“I can’t believe you never told me that before” I know this is expository, but I can’t believe it, either, Clarice.

there’s no indication in the books that Mrs. Starling was “always angry” or that Clarice was intimidated by/scared of her outbursts. she saw her mother as a pillar of strength! I don’t like this change tbh.

“he was the law. he was important” mmm...Clarice’s father was not important, and that’s the core of the tragedy, of her anger. it’s why Hannibal calls him the “night watchman” and the reason the Starlings didn’t receive any money or support after his death. he was expendable.

to be fair, I guess maybe this is supposed to be what Clarice’s idea of him was as a child.

this scene is full of little things I don’t like, and Clarice’s father giving her the add-a-bead necklace is definitely one of them.

in the book, Hannibal guesses that Clarice is afraid her beads now look tacky (having been previously trendy in the early-to-mid-80s...so, well after her father’s death). there’s NO indication they had any sentimental value (in fact, they’re never mentioned again iirc)--and with four kids to support, how can he afford to give his eight- or ten-year-old daughter decent jewelry, anyway???

I like the IDEA and the FEELING of that scene. just not the dialogue. and the entire thing is slightly undercut (imo) by Ardelia’s earlier mean-spirited comment. idk. it was cute, but this show’s writing is its own worst enemy.

Ardelia called her “Starling”! :)

Clarice’s costume is yet again blah, while Ardelia’s is great...anything but 199x, though.

money shot!

whew...didn’t see THAT plot twist coming.

Good Guy Paul Krendler continues to be a thing for some reason.

does the Hoover building only have one hallway?

Krendler gaslighting Clarice because someone is blackmailing him doesn’t hit the same as Krendler undercutting her career because he’s a sexist jackass who wants to fuck her. sorry.

Good: Clarice laughing/smiling/joking/having fun with her friend! A (could-have-been-better) bonding scene with Ardelia. Clarice getting to work a field case and the iconic shots that come with that territory. Ardelia’s grandma! Not a single mention of the Bill case, thank God.

Bad: Some of Clarice’s snap forensic judgments...they just felt too fast and unconvincing to me. Everyone’s costumes and hair continue to underwhelm me. (Why has Paul Krendler stolen Hannibal’s wardrobe? Why can’t Clarice wear something even remotely exciting?) Ardelia’s awful “at least my father��s still alive” comment. The muddled implications about Clarice’s mother (especially in an episode about an abusive mother).

Ugly: Krendler subplot, as usual.

Overall? Better. Much better. Absolutely a case of “the whole is greater than the sum of its parts”. Despite its subject matter, this episode was a lot more pleasant to watch than the previous two. Clarice had a limited amount of character development beyond “doe-eyed and traumatized,” she actually got to laugh, enjoy life, eat junk food (!) and solve a case with a friend before it all went to hell. 

I want more, though. The writing leaves a lot to be desired. There were a lot of small details of which I was critical, namely Ardelia’s insensitivity towards her best friend (unfortunately, this seems to be part of a pattern) and several minor but jarring and pointless changes to the books (mostly having to do with the Starlings). Most of the ViCAP team is still pretty one-dimensional, Krendler continues to get way too much screentime, Ardelia is hit-or-miss.

And Rebecca Breeds has to milk every moment and every line for whatever nutritional value it’s worth re: Clarice’s character. Even after seven episodes, I don’t feel as Rebecca’s Clarice has been allowed to fully emerge as the iconic character we know from the books. But I’ll keep on hoping...after all, there are at least three episodes to go!