#wtfock meta

[glitterdammerung]

okay so I am jetlagged all to heck and those clips were hard to do a middle of the night wake-up to.

but it’s kind of a little brilliant to have made Britt the Sonja - no, she hasn’t known Sander for years like other Sonjas have (and it shows, and her inexperience and her determination to not lose another boyfriend are just an awful combination, the child needs a wise adult to talk to herself) but, you know who she HAS known for years?

Robbe.

We’ve seen how helpful and kind and not-confrontational he is all season, they’ve hammered that home. Britt dated Robbe’s best friend. So she has always known who Robbe is and she knew EXACTLY how to make him go away. She couldn’t make Jana give up on Jens, but by fucking god she’s not going to lose another boyfriend the way she lost Jens, not after how she’s been (in her eyes!) so helpful and supportive of Sander, not after she’s invested so much into him. And so she knows where to stick the knife into Robbe and twist. That he was fighting to get to Sander wasn’t something she expected, so she went for the jugular. This time, she’s going to WIN, she DESERVES to win, and it’s sweet, quiet Robbe, so she knows how to ensure her victory... not knowing that in reality, she just won this battle but for sure she has tanked the war, because the one thing she never knew about Robbe (and the other thing they’ve hammered home this season) is the way he cares for his mom, and is prepared to be the kind of partner to Sander that Britt only imagines that she is.

[toneelspeelster]

portraying trauma, a skam and remakes comparison

disclaimer: i’ll start this by saying this meta will be critical of the way wtfock portrayed their version of a traumatic experience (the gay bashing). if you do not want to engage with criticism on this, i’d advise you not to read. this will also discuss only a few versions (skam, druck, skam nl and wtfock) in particular because i didn’t want to make it too long and because i feel these versions deal with trauma in an interesting way. 

common reactions

in any case, i’d like to start with common reactions after experiencing a traumatic event, be it a sexual assault, emotional assault, physical assault etc.

1. anxiety and fear 2. re-experiencing of the trauma. 3. increased vigilance 4. avoidance 5. anger 6. guilt/shame 7. grief/depression 8. self image and view of the world is negative, trust is difficult. 9. difficulty with sexual relationships 10. substance abuse (i’d include negative coping mechanisms here too).  source

now, i mention this not because i think every remake hits these but rather because i want people to see what commonly happens after traumatic events to people and how wtfock in one instance (robbe/sander) misses the mark completely while in another (zoe) it actually sort of works. and how other remakes have dealt with the subject matter. 

first off: skam

to start with even’s traumatic experience and his response. i’m starting with even mostly because it’s the original series, not necessarily bc i think it’s the most elegant portrayal (bc it’s definitely not). but in essence, what it does show is the effect of a traumatic event in the long run. even’s experience at bakka, where he kissed one of his friends he had a crush on; who rejected him; even being in a manic episode; resulting in a suicide attempt and his self inforced isolation from his best friends by going to another school and ignoring their messages - it’s touched upon in his initial season but expanded in season 4. and still at least one year later, still even freezes up in fear immediately after seeing his friends. even is incredibly anxious; it’s clear he’s recalling past memories he’s been trying to avoid for forever; he feels immensely guilty (he wants to see elias, he really does, he just doesn’t know how) and even though i think even’s self image is not necessarily the result of this experience, it does have an even more negative effect on his self-image. even has difficulties liking himself, seeing worth in himself, even in season 4. after reconciling w him (however that even went we don’t know) he appears in one of their vlogs and still you can see how uncomfortable it makes him to talk about it. but, this is what it ends on: you see the strength of even reaching out to those he loves and for them being able to reach out to him too. in the end, it’s healing. it is discussed throughout the season.

 then, numbers two: druck and skam nl

i’m combining these two in one entry bc i feel like these two portrayals deal with the repercussions of traumatic experiences to the life of these two very well. 

first off, we have david, who came out as transgender at a previous school and was met with intense transphobic reactions; deadnaming, invasive personal questions and just generally awful treatment by people - it resulted in david feeling very unsafe, difficulties sleeping and hiding and running away in the hopes of avoiding these situations. it affects his world view of the world as unkind, and him forcing himself to be okay with being alone bc the only one he trusts is himself. he doesn’t let people too close (wanting to stay anonymous) and when matteo breaks up with sarah he runs bc matteo is getting too close. and then, it happens again. he’s outed on social media in his new school, having difficulties even doing his exams bc his teacher is being a transphobic dick and he’s scared of both him and the kids at school. he then, after staying with his godmother, hides himself away at an unsafe, abandoned pool and even staying there for a night. 

then, we have liv. earlier in her life, she’s implied to have had an eating disorder - a traumatic experience in itself. and although she seems very aware of her needing to be careful not to fall into those patterns again, it unfortunately does come to the front again when faced with the fact that she’s been sexually assaulted in her sleep and it’s been filmed without consent. as an eating disorder survivor, i’d say her body is already something she might have difficulties with. to combine that with sexual assault.. it results in liv isolating herself at home, resorting to doing her white(!) laundry multiple times in one week and her stress baking cookies only for her to give them to her roommates. her mum even asks her if she’s eating well - for a mother who seems emotionally and physically distant otherwise, liv must’ve not sounded well. even when she seems a little bit better, engel still comes over to check up on liv and cook for her. engel has similar ed experiences so she knows it’s not something that’s just gone one second to the next. 

these portrayals work well bc it is clear that their experiences have become a detriment to their view of the world and result in them resorting to very unhealthy coping mechanisms. they both clearly feel the loss of control, the triggering of (past) experiences; the avoidance and the isolation. liv feels immense shame, david feels immense anger and fear - they both have difficulties trusting people, even the ones they care about the most. 

but, in the end? 

david does let matteo subtly know where he is, bc he knows matteo will see him and find him. matteo calls him even out on it: you are not a damned vampire who needs to hide away, he says - something that david didn’t even see about himself until matteo told him. he finds support in matteo and all of his friends and his sister. he doesn’t need to be alone anymore. 

and liv? she tells her friends about her troubles eventually, and they support her wholeheartedly, telling her it’s not her fault and flashing boobs while doing so. liv finds the strength to confront her attacker and blackmailing him, and eventually her boyfriend tells her she needs to go to the police to report his brother. 

these are both david’s season-long storyline and liv’s multiple episode storyline (all her clips for the first week after her experience focus solely on this). it’s healing to see this happen to survivors of these experiences. 

as a ender: wtfock

i think it’s important to establish first that this is first and foremost about robbe/sander’s gay bashing. robbe and sander have been dating approximately three days when they are violently and verbally assaulted and seemingly left for dead in antwerp’s streets. the next episode makes a point of robbe and sander being hurt badly with bruises and cuts and black eyes, robbe doesn’t sleep much and is irritated quickly and sander has a very weird reaction to violence in general and doesn’t want to go to the police. later, robbe is scared that sander was put off by the idea of going to the police, that he felt forced. within that same first episode, robbe tells milan the true story and zoe a little off story and they react sympathetically, zoe even offering her doctor. robbe’s mum’s psych also refers him to a therapist and he calls her. 

but then the storyline, after episode 6? it ends? milan seems to weirdly reference it sometimes but it doesn’t come to any conclusion in the end. after reconciling sander and robbe have no trouble kissing in front of everyone. there’s no sense of robbe or sander having internalised a different world view after this experience. they even never discuss it ever again after that first week. robbe going to a therapist is not even shown or referenced at all, even with the opportunity being there with social media updates. there’s no real repercussions, except for loss of sleep and sander maybe sort of seeing it as a way of destroying something time and again but that’s more his world view bc of his mental illness i’d say. it’s a storyline for one episode, that’s it. and with how irresponsibly they portrayed it by not immediately showing them being alright or together or taken care off but waiting hours for an update, it triggered a hella lot of audience members instead. as a bisexual woman myself, i felt scared watching that. 

zoe’s storyline of having to testify even got more of an appropriate portrayal as she’s scared to testify and also feels pushed by the people who love her the most (milan and senne). her breaking up w senne feels more an actual genuine decision bc of messed up feelings about the whole situation (senne being quite... aggressive with how he approaches her about it sometimes.. it felt like he wanted it for himself mostly, not for her). her not being able to sleep and feeling exhausted, months after the actual traumatic experience happened. it has an effect on her and how she responds and how she makes decisions.

conclusion

experiences like these have repercussions. but apparently in belgium only sexual assault results in trauma. gay bashing doesn’t. it had no true purpose except to educate straight people about the plight of lgbt people being attacked violently. but, as people far more eloquent than i have said, why? homophobes will not watch this series and suddenly turn around. and the world is damned if people just don’t realise that beating up people is bad and shouldn’t happen. 

the true purpose of skam is to teach people of all kinds, and to show people of a certain minority, community or with same/different life experiences that there is hope, and a lot more to them than just what they have experienced. now even the good portrayals could have all benefitted from telling the audience that it’s good and okay to go to therapy about this... but at least they didn’t shy away from a storyline that shows how deep this runs for people. they devoted time to it.

and that’s all wtfock really needed to do if wanting to make a point by including this. they didn’t. it’s sensational fodder at best. and i think that the characters as well as the audience?

they deserved better than that. 

[lilbasthet]

I loved all the mirroring going on in the clip (and how my sweet teenage babies didn't really see it and acknowledge it yet):

First Zoe pushes Robbe to get help. She really just wants to help and be there for him, but in a way she's overstepping.

A second later Senne (and then Milan) does the same thing to her, and suddenly she totally knows what personal boundaries are and that this is her case and nobody gets to tell her how to act.

This seems so very realistic to me. Because all of us live this kind of hypocrisy where we want the best for the people we love, but don't see that others want the same for us. I think this is a good way to portray that everyone has their own pain to deal with that we don't know about. That it's OK if we want to help, but that people can only be pushed so far before they have to take steps on their own.

I can't wait to see which steps Robbe and Zoe will take, and how Robbe will use what he's learning now when dealing with Sander later.

[druckaustin]

it’s britt(ney) bitch

okay this post is probably about to get blown out of the water by what’s likely gonna happen later today/tomorrow (ohn 👀). someone may have already even pointed these things out. but anywhoo, i wanted to get this out before i’m likely proven wrong by the end of the season.

wtfock has obviously made a lot of big changes from the original, but so far, at least to me, these changes have seemed a little half baked. I’m assuming the assault incident will get some follow up but it’s likely many of the other changes the team has made won’t get delved into any further than their mere inclusion. which i think is a shame. but a change that i am really excited about is the role of Britt in this season.

Sonja and Even’s relationship is largely defined by how long they’ve been together. they obviously care about each other but it’s become an obligation rather than devotion. Even’s mi is something that makes her feel like she’s responsible for him, and that in turn makes Even feel like he owes it to stay with her while simultaneously growing resentful.

Britt and Sander have not been dating as long, and yet Britt has quickly inserted herself into being his caretaker and micromanaging his life? (for example, being present when the ambulance came, manipulating jana to fend off Robbe, taking it upon herself to search for him after he left the clinic when really his parents should be the one’s handling it.) for a long time we couldn’t be sure if Sander had really broken things off with her because she repeatedly demonstrated no understanding of a break up. I even wondered, if he really was homeless as conjectured, maybe he was staying at her house and couldn’t break it off without losing his place to crash. but the more i think on it, the more i can see Britt being an example of how people with mental illness are more likely to be victims of abuse.

sander saying he worries that no one will ever love him is one of the first red flags. it’s even said as a reason he ought to stay with Britt despite things not going well. he clearly believes he has no right to seek better. this sounds to me a lot like Britt convincing him he should stay with her because no one else will love him with his mi and making him feel like he should just be grateful he has her at all.

another obvious sign of abuse is when she hits him outside the school. what is most significant to me about that scene is that after she hits him she begins to pull him away like he’s a child or a pet. when he responds by yelling that they are over, she seems, as robbe said, to really not have known. But she’s also not emotional at all. she’s not even angry despite the fact that literally 1.2 seconds ago she was apparently mad enough to slap him. in fact she was a little bit flippant. to me it seems like she doesn’t take his words seriously.

in the same scene Sander emphasizes that he’s told her over and over again that they’re over. if his words are true (which is looking more likely but i wouldn’t say we know for sure yet) this paints a picture to me of a relationship in which whenever Sander says something that Britt doesn’t like she dismisses it as just being the result of his mi. which means she can gaslight him for anything.

he can’t ever disagree with her and have it matter. he can’t break up with her and have her believe he means it. now that i think of it, this puts the paintball scene in a completely different light. when i first saw him go ham with the paintball gun at her back i was honestly appalled. that was vicious. but now i think it was a demonstration of how toxic their relationship is. perhaps Sander was unleashing some repressed rage he felt from her abuse. 

but even more than that, now i wonder if he wasn’t just trying to make her break up with him, trying to do something so bad that she wouldn’t forgive him, or hurt her so much that she’d finally believe him when he said he didn’t want to be with her.

my clown makeup might be exposed before the end of the season, even though i think this is a solid theory. skam, especially the original, tends to try to redeem everyone in the end (except niko he can rot). plus, it’s harder to imagine when you consider that jana is still friends with Britt. but wtfock already avoided giving Britt the minute by minute line and i think it would be very cool if they had developed these changes in Britt and Sander’s relationship as a way to explicitly show that ppl with mi have a higher risk of being abused, that there are multiple types of abuse, and that women can be perpetrators of abuse toward men.

tl;dr: britt’s abusive and wtfock should say it 

[tennesseewilliamshakespeare]

Since no one on either side of the Sander debate seems to be able to tell the difference

Plain old immature teenage boy behavior

- pretending to think someone is a member of staff as a joke

- asking someone to name x amount of songs to prove they're a fan of an artist

- dangerous shopping cart shenanigans resulting in a mess in the grocery store

- disregarding your friend when she asks you to buy healthy food

Actual fucked up behavior

- shooting someone four times in a row with a paintball gun, especially at close range, especially when they didn't see you coming, especially when they're your girlfriend

[skamremakesfromhell]

wtfock just had the best version of the “getting alcohol/sana telling vilde to shush” scene!

like they got so much across it the way the girls talked and it was so natural and you can feel the girls as and actual squad even tho it’s so early! yasmine definitely didn’t seem to harsh on amber (which is a bit of a problem some versions have), amber going on and on about why she can’t pay instead of about her outfit! zoë standing up for yasmine by countering all ambers arguments! yasmine having everyone take a breath at the beginning ajdkejejfja, luca was great she kept interrupting amber lol and asking so many questions like i love her, jana remembering her plans with jens!!!!! amber being like “you don’t have plans with him anymore” and jana caving! really showcasing how jana is just going along with what other people are doing!

i love this girl squad so much and i love this scene!

[toofarovertherainbow]

what gets me about this scene is that it connects these two characters forever. this is where robbe knows he’s gay. he’s thought about what milan said to him and he’s accepted himself and the lgbt community. he may not understand all of it, but he knows he’s a part of it. and so he tells milan about the assault, because milan can understand. robbe knows he isn’t alone in experiencing this violence, which is why he goes to the only other gay person he knows.

from milan’s perspective though, it’s a little different. this is the kid who he’s seen go from being mildly homophobic at times to having a boyfriend to rejecting the lgbt community and milan feels the pain of that. he’s almost crying as he yells at robbe. that scene tells us that he feels the pain of the lgbt community even if he isn’t a drag queen or any of the other stereotypes robbe references. it shows us that milan takes other gay people’s pain as his own. so for him to hear this has happened to robbe, he feels like it’s happened to him as well.

that’s why the fight is important, because it rebuilds the bond between robbe and milan. it allows them to have an honest relationship with each other where they know they can rely on each other.

i just love this scene a lot

[fatoumyvu]

I was talking on WhatsApp about wtfock and I think it finally clicked what doesnt click for me about sobbe and s3 (also of course this is an opinion bla bla bla etc)

So I feel like at its core sobbe is what someone that doesnt understand what og s3 and what evak was about would write if they were trying to recreate evak

(this is way too long so i did the thing)

Og s3 (and I'm limiting what I'm saying to the s3s this is not taking into account anything post s3 for either of them) at the same time in a way builds a simple uncomplicated first love together forever love story and then dismantles it and creates a much more interesting but much more complicated and real love story instead. 

S3 introduces us to the fairytale (and of course its a gay love story so theres other shit there since the beginning that make it complicated like isaks internalized homophobia and his parents and his friends im not talking about that here) and then it shows us that it was never real but it's ok that it wasnt cause that's life and it's worth it and its better. Even is this cool older guy that flirts with isak and that seems like an ideal uncomplicated first love but actually Even is a nerd and a dork and likes dumb movies and hes a complicated real person (character) with his own problems and flaws and a lot of history (that we slowly discover as isak discovers them) and shit is very complicated actually and relationships are hard (and they are awesome and romantic and real). And that's what life it's about it's about the highs but it's also about the lows and it's about opening yourself to feeling and to love and to getting to know other people and letting other people know you which also means opening yourself to pain and to heartache and disappointment. and of course evak had it's one liners too and I'm a terrible romantic so I love them but they have their slow moments and their opening up to eachother moments theres vulnerability there and it doesnt end with a promise of forever cause that's not what s3 is about. 

(Please go back and rewatch the final eva and isak conversation cause it's pretty much what I'm saying but nicer and said in way less words)

Sobbe misses the second part of that so hard

It's all about the cheesy romantic one liners they double down on them so hard and then they torture the characters and make them go through hell and then theres more forever one liners (and sex cause I guess that was more needed than conversations) and then more pain and more pain and then a lackluster reunion with again the idea of them always forever (and I guess the reunion is supposed to be the vulnerable moment but it really just feels like a culmination of the pain not a shift in what this relationship is about) and then party and the season is done (and it has the life is now thing but it completely misses the point of what that was about in og too and its more like a we might die tomorrow so let's live tonight kind of line)

And ok yeah def you can argue wtfock s3 is about different things than og s3 was about (and to a certain extent I agree with that) but they failed at those so hard too (was it about robbes journey with his intermittent internalized homophobia? Or about external homophobia maybe? Or both? Idk cause both of those stories were resolved suddenly and badly and if they wanted to do that it couldve been much more interesting than what we got but they didnt commit to it soo) and the changes they made to evak (what i discussed above) made those storylines less interesting anyways cause at the end of the day they made sobbe less interesting.

What's funny to me is how much I complained and argued about fanon evak and how much it felt like watered down evak without all the complexity (and how much fanon even felt like even in ep 3 before isak actually got to know him and how much fanon isak felt like a fantasy people had created that was much more of a cliché and way less interesting than canon isak) cause that's exactly how I feel about sobbe

Anyways nobody cares but me but I thought I would put it out there anyways since it feels like I can finally put what I've been feeling kind of into words.

[glitterdammerung]

I think this is not the first time Sander has “broken up” with Britt. He’s just always come back. She doesn’t seem to think there’s any reason this time should be different, and she’s shocked that it is. She has probably heard all the gossip and seen all the photos and has just tried to tell herself that it’s a temporary flight of fancy, like the other times. Plus after Jana and Jens, she likely has an extra determination to hold on tight and make things work. This is not going to happen to her, not again, she’s Britt Fucking Ingelbrecht, don’t these people know anything?

(don’t slap people though, y’all, that’s a no)

I think Robbe is trying to put his head down and concentrate on the good things, thinking surely it will all work out. He’s probably used to just ignoring odd things, and making the best of situations that seem to be going south. God knows how long he had to cope with all his parents’ problems! He’s used to things being hard. He only recently discovered they could be different and better at all. Robbe suffers in silence, because if you ask questions, reality rears its ugly head. Better not to poke the beast.

And Sander? Well. We’ll find out soon enough exactly what’s happening there. He’s got a lot going on and is obviously no better about asking for help or admitting weakness than Robbe is. He’s always got his armor on and his guard up. There’s an extra layer of hard self-preservation on him, a little more than we usually see from an Even, maybe a little more anger under the surface. Nobody gets too close, not even Robbe - yet.

They’re a trio of broken kids, and somehow the way they’re all tied together makes things that much sadder than the previous Isak/Even/Sonja groupings.

[necroissants]

The WTFock CYG scene actually reminded me a lot of skames in regard to that almost angry kind of 'screw you!' energy. But while in skames the scene came after Joana had undeniably led Cris on and was therefore a clear statement of 'fuck you!', Sander has not actually "done" anything that was undeniable (I mean sure he flirted like crazy but yk, no homo) and because of that I think Robbe's frustrated look is extra interesting because until now he has been quite passive, staying away from Sander watching him but looking away before he gets caught.

To me, this one more than any other CYG scene, has conveyed the turning point in the Isak characters behavior and I really hope that this means that Robbe will start acting and speaking up; to his friends, to Noor and to Sander.

I’m giddy about the differences between all of the CYG scenes we’ve had over the years

Isak and Even’s was so much more Isak’s final nail in the coffin realisation that yep he’s very very not straight... his wide eyed moment of clarity is so perfect to watch and opposite Even’s intensity it was just so bloody brilliant

Eliott and Lucas were pretty similar in many ways but the whole element of “fuck you” it had because of Eliott’s teasing was so perfect... and it made all of the sweetness that followed all the more fun

Nico and Marti’s moment was so bloody soft even if they were challenging each other. Marti looked so sad at the same time, so woeful that he wasn’t the one kissing Nico. It wasn’t at all the same as Isak’s “holy shit” because Marti barely flinched when Nico looked over. They were so on the same page without realising.

But these two, I like that Robbe is normally v sweet and gentle and is actually affectionate but I get this “I’ve had enough” feeling from him. He’s had his moment of telling everyone to go to hell and he’s had his vulnerable few days and he’s tipsy, tired and frustrated and, kid, I feel you. Can’t wait to see if Sander goes full Even and if Robbe turns blushy and shy or whether we see him continue to give less of a damn because either way it’ll be mega interesting for his character!

[maxbernini]

✔️ the old guard; ❌ wtfock !

tysm keith!!! 😄😄

✔️ favorite characters from:

the old guard: i know “all of them” is cheating but. all of them !!! SUCH a great group dynamic!! andy & joe are probably my most frequent faves tho, like @ charlize theron spare hand in marriage ma’am? and i will also frankly never get over the “he’s not just my boyfriend” scene!! it so easily could have been cheesy in the hands of another actor but it wasn’t, you can literally feel the centuries of love they have for each other radiating thru the screen. immortal husbands!! <3

❌ least favorite characters from:

wtfock: the complete opposite answer from tog lmao like. most of them?? 😭 i think maybe milan bc of when he tried to kiss robbe and then flirted with moyo?? hello?? eskild would never. also jens but 90% of that is from the fandom’s mischaracterization of him...i see a vds shipper and i start swinging!

[panace-of-swords]

I’m considering a podcast miniseries on fandom/internet culture, and I’d love some suggestions from people who might be more experienced than me-

What topics do you think need to be more widely understood and discussed, either inside or outside of fandom?

[under-druck]

hi i just want to talk to the young lgbt people watching wtfock at the moment. i want you to know that they are portraying this as a love story, and these characters are kids too which means they have all the time in the world to grow and be kinder to each other and themselves.

but please don’t ever allow a person to degrade, villanize, and attack your identity. even if they come from a place of hurt and confusion and ignorance. ESPECIALLY if it is supposed to be a person who treats you kindly, respectfully, and lovingly like a romantic partner or family or friend. a valid explanation does not excuse homophobia and transphobia. fight for yourself when people around you make you feel wrong or ashamed of a beautiful part of who you are.

if you ever experience what wtfock just portrayed, on either side, know that forgiveness is an option, not an obligation. you don’t have to accept someone apologies, you don’t have to give them the benefit of the doubt. and vice versa, you should not expect forgiveness and kindness when you hurt other people. stories like this one don’t always end in epic romance, and that’s ok. please treat yourselves kindly.

[lucidpantone]

Neighborhood Theory (Kato confirmed/ Moyo Kiel?)

It has been brought to my attention that in the premiere clip we may be seeing the neighborhoods Kato/Moyo reside in. Moyo, clock the bridge behind him in this dance video (also crew leaked images of a bridge last night can’t tell if its the same):

Clock the bridge in the lower right hand corner (I am pretty sure its the same bridge):

So here is an image of Kato’s view from her home on instagram. I was told this lake is called Galgeweel. 

I am pretty sure this is the same lake (feel free to fact check me folks):

[formerprincewille]

I don’t understand people who think it’s ooc for Robbe to believe Britt about Sander’s feelings.

This really has nothing to do with his mother. Just because he’s accepting of MI in general does not make him an expert (and clearly he doesn’t know much about bipolar since he was looking on Wikipedia about it). And even if he was an expert, it doesn’t erase his own uncertainties and insecurities.

Look at it from Robbe’s perspective.

Sander:

Said he fell in love with Robbe at first sight and knew he was “the one” (even took a photo of him), and Robbe was completely unaware of Sander’s presence

But still went back to Britt after telling Robbe he loved him

Painted a giant mural of Robbe’s face on a public building

Constantly uses grandiose speech when talking about his feelings for Robbe

Dramatically shouted his love for Robbe “from the rooftops” aka on a public street

Britt seemed “unaware” of her and Sander’s supposed breakup, at least from Robbe’s pov

Went above and beyond for sinterklaas

Booked a suite for them

Spoke of marriage

When Robbe finds Sander, Britt is once again there “comforting” him

Given Robbe’s own insecurities and how “heightened” Sander’s feelings for him seem to be, is it really any wonder that he believes what Britt says? What’s easier to believe? That the most beautiful, wonderful boy in the world really loves him that much to do all those things? For him?? Robbe of all people?? Or that all this stuff is just another “symptom” of his MI?

And this is why it’s so heartbreaking. 😭

[ravenbrenna09]

Okay, I’ve officially watched the “gay test” scene. I finished season 2 episode 4 and just skipped ahead to it because I felt like I had to see it before I went to bed. 

And, I’m going, to be honest with you, I just might change the majority of the plot in season two. Or, at the very least, some major details moving into this part of the story. Season 2 is amazing and it continues to show that these characters are continuously flawed. In addition, it’s continuing to set up Robbe’s extreme internalized homophobia. I know this scene sets up this but it also shows that sometimes people who are normally level-minded people do dumb and insensitive things when they’re simply curious about something. 

However, I don’t have enough experience with the feelings involved with it (even if I can read all of what Robbe might be feeling on his face thanks to the wonderful and fucking talented Willem Herbots wearing it on his face so fucking well).

But, you know what I wish would really happen in this scene. What I really wish would happen is after that scene, after Jana and Luca walk up to Zoë and spill and walk away. I really wanted Robbe to walk up to Jana and say, “Are you drunk? because you tried to kiss me and you’re the one that said that you don’t have feelings for me. Is there something that you need to tell me? Because I don’t have feelings for you.” I want Jana to realize that not only was her actions fucked the hell up but that there’s more than one reason as to why Robbe wouldn’t want to kiss her (even if she got pretty damn close).

I want Robbe to be worried about Jana. I want someone else to be worried about Jana because I am very much worried about Jana. 

also, a thing to note, is that this girl squad has a severe case of a collective hive mind which might be why they don’t see any consequences for their actions and they should’ve done more than apologize to robbe after he came out even if he did assume that she was just drunk out of her mind. 

okay, I’m done for the night I’m going to bed. 

goodnight.