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Aha I knew it! Thank you for clarifying that point. I sensed it to be true but wasn't sure! I guess the punchy confrontational ones stand out in fictional depictions and serve the drama well!

I often find myself relating to Lion Secondary descriptions--but get tripped up because I'm a nerdy, sensitive goofball who isn't necessarily confrontational, or physical/brawny. I don't think of myself as a puncher or a charger per se. Is there room within the category for someone who is unfortunately, and helplessly genuine? When I try to appear polished and slick, I either start gagging on my words or I immediately undercut the polished image. I literally can't blend/pretend to save my life.

You've perfectly defined Lion secondary. The physical, confrontational lion is a teeny, tiny subset.

(who you mostly only see in fiction.)

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Personality Analysis of: Mushu (Disney’s Mulan)

Sorting Hat Chats: BADGER-SNAKE (POWER BEHIND THRONE) I do think Mushu is clearly a loyalist in the sorting hat chats system (not 100% sure if he’s Snake or Badger though). After reading a great post about “badger snakes and the red-stained ledger” by @air-in-words, I like the idea of sorting Mushu from Disney’s Mulan as a Badger-Snake. He definitely has Harold Hill/Dewey Finn vibes. Mushu is group-oriented (trying to get reinstated as a family guardian), but he weirdly supports/protects the group through deception/finesse.   His “red-stained ledger” would probably be getting one of the family members he was protecting decapitated (which got him demoted to gong-ringer), and then impersonates someone he’s not (the Great Dragon Spirit) to regain his status/role within the group (this behaviour is sort of a self-serving expression of the Hufflepuff Primary). However he clearly bonds with his little group (Crikee, Mulan, Khan), and ends up doing a lot of good for his family and China, in the end. MBTI: ENTP Ne is very obvious in his quick-thinking, hyper-verbal style. Ti before Fe because he’s definitely more strategic and led by self-interest (Ti), before connecting it to his group (Fe). You don’t get the sense Mushu has grandiose values, he has “people” (which is why he is a loyalist house). ENTP’s Inferior Sensation in my experience tends to be represented in media as some sort of physical/sensory limitation/helplessness compensated for by a outsized persona/intellect (Tyrion Lannister, Iron Man, Varrick, Edward Elric). In Mushu’s case, he’s constantly being ridiculed for being little, and powerless, and a snake, so he always finds clever ways to appear large/powerful/authoritative (a very small man can cast a very large shadow, as Varys once told Tyrion). Enneagram Analysis Despite being commonly typed as a 7, Mushu from Mulan (1998) is a 6w7 sp. He isn't a free spirited 7 looking for fun and adventure--he wants to be reinstated as a guardian of the family (WAY more of 6 motivation) by proving he can watch over Mulan and keep her safe. I'll tell you this--you're not going to see a lot of enneagram 7's depicted as the jittery, protective character who is trying to talk the hero out of doing things, moaning "We're doomed!". Watch Mushu's major 6 energy in this bathing scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXSX84eVUCs Grumbling to yourself that no one is taking your fears seriously, while still acting as lookout to protect the idiots who are ignoring you, is a fat 6 mood. He is so 6 in how he is constantly anticipating threats and predicting what they need to worry about next, to keep Mulan safe. He wakes her up each morning and runs her through all the things she needs to focus on and think about to face the day ahead. He's always trying to protect his people by staying ahead of things (classic 6 strategy). Think of how on top of danger he is when Shan Yu's falcon tries to raise alarm, and Mushu immediately breathes fire and turns him into Mongolian barbecue--6's are amazing at detecting threats, because they're constantly scanning their environments. I know 7's are usually comic relief, but self pres 6's are sneakily the funniest enneagram subtype, IMO. They make for great comical sidekicks!

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INCREDIBLE POST! Are you familiar with Disney’s Mulan? I’m toying with the idea of Mushu as a badger-snake. He definitely has Harold Hill/Dewey Finn vibes. Mushu is group-oriented (trying to get reinstated as a family guardian), but he weirdly supports/protects the group through deception/finesse.

   His “red-stained ledger” would probably be getting one of the family members he was protecting decapitated (which got him demoted to gong-ringer), and then impersonates someone he’s not (the Great Dragon Spirit) to regain his status/role within the group (this behaviour is sort of a self-serving expression of the Hufflepuff Primary). However he clearly bonds with his little group (Crikee, Mulan, Khan), and ends up doing a lot of good for his family and China, in the end.

Badger Snakes and The "Red-Stained Ledger"

Since my recent announcement identifying as a Badger Snake (don't @ me if I change my primary at some point lol still going back over that one,) I've looked up some characters that have been identified as Badger Snakes, and found two things:

1) There weren't very many in fiction and

2) most go through the same personal journey I had described in my previous post.

By that, I mean, a very similar feeling of self-loathing or feeling as though you have some dirty secret to hide, AKA the Red-Stained Ledger Natasha Romanoff refers to. The two main ones that have been agreed upon I'll be focusing on are Woody from Toy Story and the aforementioned Black Widow, but I'll also be bringing two new characters into the fray, one that's been sorted as such based on the portrayal, and one that I've discovered on my own. They are Selina Kyle AKA Catwoman and Dewey Finn from School of Rock.

It's interesting to find the similar plotlines that certain sortings are given consistently in media, and The Power Behind the Throne AKA Badger Snake seems to pretty much only have the one: They fight for the group that they are loyal to, but they can't seem to help but do so in a way that they aren't proud of, one that they're sure would lead said group to shun them.

I'm sure someone could point out a character I'm not referencing here that doesn't have that plot, but at the very least, this plot dominates the sorting.

Woody in the first movie goes through exactly that issue. He only wants to fight for Andy's toys, and in many ways, all toys he comes across. He makes choices that he believes will benefit everyone, and prides himself on being able to make the "tough choices." But, he ends up having to do so in a "duplicitous" way, when he seeks to manipulate Buzz Lightyear out of his group. This is a horrible, dirty secret to him, and he feels almost as if he could never return to them, never show his face again because of how he chooses to fight. In the end, he reaffirms that his actions come from a good place, a place of love for his group, and finds ways to use his crafty talents that are slightly more constructive and a little less "cloak and dagger."

Natasha Romanoff has given me the namesake for this Badger Snake element: the Red-Stained Ledger. She describes her desire to fight for her country, for her family, but struggles with what she knows she's good at. She believes she's inherently a bad person and is determined to remain a loner due to her "badness," due to the "monster" she is. Good people don't lie or manipulate. Good people... uh... I dunno, bake cakes or something? Work humble jobs? But, her contribution to the world, her ability to be clever and tricky, means that holding her group, her country, her family, the Avengers themselves, only in her heart and not in her hands. But, her true colors are shown in her never-ending dedication to the cause, down to her being willing to give her life so that no one else has to do it. In a way, it's sad, because she died believing she in some way deserved it. But, none of her teammates felt that way about her. She may have been crafty, a master manipulator, and a skillful liar, but she was the farthest thing from bad.

Now, onto the two newer additions. I've seen Selina Kyle sorted as Double Snake, and I would agree that there are many interpretations that could fit the bill. But, if you ask me, the truest interpretation of her is as The Power Behind the Throne, the Robin Hood with no loud cause to shout from the rooftops; only a desire to help the people of Gotham. She uses her skills as a thief to act as a sort of "guardian angel" to the poorest in Gotham, but she has no grand statement to make. She sees people hurting, her group, the underdogs of Gotham, and came to their aid. But she does so quietly, secretly, because she believes in her heart that the way she has done so is not worthy of praise. She's a con and a thief, but, she places people above all else. She, in some interpretations, is one of the main people to open Bruce's eyes to the fact that not all criminals are necessarily bad people. Some of them are just in terrible situations they can't get out of. And yet, she won't afford that benefit of the doubt to herself, believing she is simply a broken toy not worth fixing. Her occasionally lackadaisical attitude towards killing may seem to make Badger primary unlikely, but Badgers are not always loyal to ALL humans. Her group is the poor and downtrodden, and those who act against them are less than human in her eyes.

Now, we come to my personal favorite, my own personal discovery: Dewey Finn from one of my favorite movies, School of Rock.

Dewey is a fabulous example of a Badger Snake, in my personal opinion. His chosen group is Rock with a Capital R and "the band," whichever band that may currently be. He may have some sort of Burnt Snake primary performance/model going on, wanting to play the part of a "rock star" that truly only cares about himself, but his true loyalty is very clear. He is worried about doing his chosen group justice in every way, making sure that Rock is being well-represented and that he's serving his current band the very best he has to offer. Being kicked out of his band at the very beginning is earth-shattering to him, not because he has a Snake primary style devotion to only them, but because they told him he let them down, and implying that he wasn't representing Rock the way he should. His Snake primary performance/model melts away as he bonds to his new band, the kids he teaches. He brings them into his chosen group of Rock and creates a new bonded group with them in particular as they form a band. He actually finds himself liberated by taking a backseat to the children (a very Badger primary thing to enjoy,) allowing Zack to play his song, guiding Freddie away from making bad choices, helping Tamika find her voice, encouraging fellow Snake secondary Summer how to use her shrewdness, and, using a method I believe is best utilized by Badger Snakes, helping Principal Mullins find her chill. Lol.

Badger Snakes, more than any other Snake secondary type, will rely on the "we aren't so different you and I" approach to get what they want. He finds out Mullins also enjoys Rock. This is something they have in common! Let's create a situation where we "naturally" find out we have this thing in common, placing us both in the same group. Although other primaries don't glorify groups as much as Badger primaries do, all people are more likely to listen to or help out someone they feel is like them in some way. So, Dewey puts some Stevie Nicks on the jukebox and gets Mullins on his side.

In a similar fashion to the characters listed above, Dewey believes he is truly a loser and has nothing of any actual value or goodness to provide. But, the children help him see he's wrong, and he finds a way to utilize his talents in a way that truly fulfills him.

In conclusion, although seemingly unrepresented, I think there actually may be quite a few more Badger Snakes hiding in media, and, perhaps, they can be outed by looking for the Red-Stained Ledger plotline. Badger primaries are more likely, in my opinion, to be disturbed by their actions than say a Lion primary, due to where their loyalties truly lie. Although Lions may fight for the right thing, and that right thing may involve people's rights or serving a group, they serve that right thing before any of the people they may steamroll over to achieve it. Badgers, by definition, serve things. And, usually, lying, cheating, or otherwise being crafty is viewed as the worst possible way to serve someone or something. They do care about the things they may hurt or damage through their actions, and how they use their talents does, in fact, matter to them immensely.

So, to my Badger Snakes out there struggling with their own so-called "Red-Stained Ledgers", just remember that Dewey Finn would think you're kick-ass.

EDIT: Sorry, was thinking about it, and had to put an edit. Another way to think of this plotline/character archetype is mentioned in School of Rock as well as in a musical I know very well. I wouldn't use this moniker as the name for this plotline, only because it describes a very specific Snake secondary, one that is playful and light-hearted, and not all Snake secondaries are like this.

Zack's song refers to Dewey as The Magic Man, a person that swoops in and, almost by magic (in actuality, manipulation) brings out the best in the people around them. In the aforementioned musical, this character is called The Music Man.

Harold Hill may very well be another Badger Snake, although one more heavily disguised than Dewey Finn. I won't go too deep into his characterization here, but know he's a conman who claims to be a band instructor, while he has no musical talent himself, planning on taking the money for the uniforms and instruments and running. Instead, almost without realizing it, he encourages and manipulates the people of the town he enters into becoming better versions of what they are now. And, the most tragic part of his character is revealed once another character, one of the children he's conned, points out that there isn't a band, and never has been one. Harold tells him "I always think there's a band, kid."

It's interesting that, in both of these cases, they are associated with music and an almost mystical ability to bring out the best in others. I might do a more in-depth look at Harold Hill at some point, since I've been planning on doing some musical characters for a bit.

If thinking about having a Red-Stained Ledger is too negative for your own self-image, think of yourself as The Music Man. Your friends and the people around you may actually see you as an almost mystical force for good, someone who always seems to know the right thing to say or do to bring out the best in them. :)

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Avatar Korra Personality Analysis

Sorting Hat Chats: Double Lion Enneagram: 8w7 sx/sp MBTI/Jungian + Sorting Hat Chats A lot of people think she’s an ESTP, but Korra is very clearly an ESFP. Compare her to Varrick (ENTP) or Kai (ESTP). ETPs just feel different than Korra. EXTP types are generally skeptical, calculating, and have a slick charm/friendliness that thinly veils their Pe-Ti aims (the roguish skills of a Snake secondary). Korra is genuine to a goddamn fault (Aux Fi/DOUBLE LION BABY!)  When ExTPs are causing trouble, they know it, and are usually smiling. When Korra is causing trouble it's more like a bull in a China shop. She is trying to do good but she is a bit clumsy. Korra also is not good at appealing to people's self interest. Notice that an uptight ISTP like Mako (Double Bird with a nice little snake model due to being orphaned?) still kind of knows how to do business with guys like Shady Shin -- Whats in it for me? Korra is like: You either do what I believe is right, or I punch you (Lion Secondary). She impulsively follows her gut beliefs (Fi) but has a hard time slowing down long enough to consider the long term outcomes/consequences of her actions (Se dom/inferior Ni). Her body moves so much quicker than her mind, and she does not always know her own strength. Korra grows and refines her values by impulsively crashing into the problem and then learning from the wreckage she created for next time. It's kind of the ESFP 8 version of iteration testing.  I also think a dead giveaway for an ExTPs moral growth (as opposed to ESFPs) is that they bond to individuals intensely, and learn to be less selfish/guarded through love (also a Snake Primary loyalty thing): Varrick and Zhu Li, Kai and Jinora, and going out of universe: Eleanor and Chidi (Good Place), Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps (Zootopia), Jack Sparrow and Elizabeth Swann (Pirates), Han and Leia (Star Wars), Alberto and Luca (Luca), Megara and Hercules (Hercules), hell even Rick and Morty. P.S. I do subscribe to @wisteria-lodge’s terminology for the SHC system (esp. because I’m down for anything that strips away the JKR elements).  If you like the taste of the sorting hat chats stuff I’m doing here, you’ll love her blog, which is way more dedicated to the system: https://wisteria-lodge.tumblr.com/post/646868516725768192/wisterias-great-big-sorting-hat-chats-explanation

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Sometimes my anxiety feels like I’m fighting a thousand shadow clones. I probably look silly sometimes as I dodge and evade incorporeal blows (people close to me usually try to gently remind me that nothing is attacking me). And it’s probably easier for people who aren’t wired like me, but in a weird way I feel proud. I’m out here ghost-busting the phantoms of my psyche, while the normies are struggling with colour swatches for their dining room.