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I'm sorry but I didn't read your entire essay

Especially when I know you came here to invalidate our valid criticism towards dickbabs like you dickbabs shippers always do

You can pretend to be someone else but we know you are a dickbabs shipper hiding in alt account.

Let's be honest maybe you don't like Barbara when she's not dating Dick, because if you truly liked Barbara seperately from Dick, Maybe all the anti-dickbabs comments bother you?

Instead of advocating for Barbara's independence you spent your time and energy shutting down valid criticism towards her retconned relationship with Dick

The fact that you made an essay trying to defend their relationship that reduced Barbara into a clingy lovesick gf who won't stop following Dick around like a dog instead of the grown ass independent woman she was supposed to be just shows that your main concern is dickbabs not Barbara as an individual character

Once again, Dick is definitely one of the reasons why Barbara was deaged. It is to make her look appealing to Dick. An older Barbara and younger Dick wouldn't have worked out since they look like a pedophile-like ship. But thanks to all the forced retcons that rewrote their history she now fits him and they're now a couple. Surely, Shipping is not one of the motivating factors in deaging her.

If dick is not the reason then dickbabs comics wouldn't have promoted the idea that she's the same age dick , she's dick's childhood sweetheart, they grew up together, they went to highschool prom together BS love story etc.

Guilty asf.

Yap all you want. And believe what you want. Denying it is not gonna change the fact that the ship is built on superficial retcons. Writers love to invent a non-existing past between these two just to make it seem like they've always been in love with each other since day 1.

Dickbabs wouldn't have worked out had they not deaged and rewrote her entire history.

From a grown ass career-oriented congresswoman who said Dick is too young for her and that Batman is her true love to someone who suddenly became a child like Dick. How natural and organic dickbabs is. Not so fake and forced at all.

Dick and Kory weren’t just a couple — they were narratively built for each other. Marv Wolfman and George Pérez crafted them with parallel arcs, emotionally and thematically. Dick, the disciplined human struggling with identity outside Batman’s shadow. Kory, the exiled alien princess learning humanity, freedom, love. They grew together. Their relationship was emotional, spiritual, ideological — not just romantic. They were equals who challenged and bettered each other.

And then editorial got messy.

Enter Babs, whose original purpose was not even romantic, but Batman's girl counterpart and suddenly she’s being wedged into a love triangle like it’s CW drama. Not only that, but they deaged her, rewrote her dynamic with Dick from “older mentor figure” to “quirky same-age love interest.” That’s not evolution, that’s surgery on continuity with no anesthesia.

They butchered Dick’s history with Kory just to make room for a status quo that’s more palatable to a Bat-centric branding. They erased an engagement, deep emotional growth, and cosmic-scale love just to reduce her to a “fling.” That’s not just disrespect to Starfire, that’s disrespect to decades of storytelling.

It’s no coincidence that Dick and Kory’s relationship flourished when they had autonomy outside the Bat office. The Titans gave them space to be messy, raw, radiant. And it’s telling that when creators have the chance to write them freely (like in Titans, DCeased, Injustice, Future State) they gravitate back to DickKory. Because it works.

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Babs was denifinitely deaged to be with Dick in the dickbabs comics where they tried to portray her as Dick's childhood sweetheart who went to highschool prom with him as opposed to their original version where she was a congresswoman when he still goes to school as a teenager.

Babs was deaged twice or more than once

Just because she wasn't deage to be with Dick in her 1st deaging in 1985 (where she was still written as older than dick) doesn't mean she wasn't deaged to be the SAME AGE as Dick in her 2nd deaging.

I made a post explaining all of this. You can read it here

https://www.tumblr.com/trexiejan/765482894763376640/friendly-reminder-that-dc-and-dickbabs-writers-are?source=share

Most of the people who deny this are just dickbabs shippers who want to make their ship look better or people who have been fooled by them.

And even if you insist that it's not true ; let's say for the sake of your argument that it's not true: It's still super weird to pair Dick up with a woman who used to be much older than him

Imagine Bruce Wayne getting deaged to be much more appealing to the younger audience then a few years later they decided to start pairing him up with Raven, claiming she was his childhood sweetheart and that they were school batch-mates. Retconning their history left and right. Then imagine the comics pushing the BrucexRaven agenda for more than 30 years and people telling you to finally accept them as a couple because Bruce being older haven't been a thing for decades now 🤢

Saying Bruce wasn't deaged to be with Raven but to appeal to the younger audience is not gonna make things better here.

Dick and Kory weren’t just a couple — they were narratively built for each other. Marv Wolfman and George Pérez crafted them with parallel arcs, emotionally and thematically. Dick, the disciplined human struggling with identity outside Batman’s shadow. Kory, the exiled alien princess learning humanity, freedom, love. They grew together. Their relationship was emotional, spiritual, ideological — not just romantic. They were equals who challenged and bettered each other.

And then editorial got messy.

Enter Babs, whose original purpose was not even romantic, but Batman's girl counterpart and suddenly she’s being wedged into a love triangle like it’s CW drama. Not only that, but they deaged her, rewrote her dynamic with Dick from “older mentor figure” to “quirky same-age love interest.” That’s not evolution, that’s surgery on continuity with no anesthesia.

They butchered Dick’s history with Kory just to make room for a status quo that’s more palatable to a Bat-centric branding. They erased an engagement, deep emotional growth, and cosmic-scale love just to reduce her to a “fling.” That’s not just disrespect to Starfire, that’s disrespect to decades of storytelling.

It’s no coincidence that Dick and Kory’s relationship flourished when they had autonomy outside the Bat office. The Titans gave them space to be messy, raw, radiant. And it’s telling that when creators have the chance to write them freely (like in Titans, DCeased, Injustice, Future State) they gravitate back to DickKory. Because it works.

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You literally said teenagers before you edited it lmao now not only are you a butthurt bitter dickbabs shipper, you are also a cunning liar who loves to put words in people's mouths. I'm not a teenager stop making false assumptions about people around you just to make yourself look smarter that's internet narcissism behavior

and I do not care about Dickbabs in any of the shows you mentioned. (especially when Babs ended up sleeping with Batman and marrying Sam Young)

Literally most people do not give a shit. Either you accept that or cope hard.

and yes you have insulted me with your mockery and baseless accusations as a person who is apparently older and more mature than me. Yeah yeah.

Dick and Kory weren’t just a couple — they were narratively built for each other. Marv Wolfman and George Pérez crafted them with parallel arcs, emotionally and thematically. Dick, the disciplined human struggling with identity outside Batman’s shadow. Kory, the exiled alien princess learning humanity, freedom, love. They grew together. Their relationship was emotional, spiritual, ideological — not just romantic. They were equals who challenged and bettered each other.

And then editorial got messy.

Enter Babs, whose original purpose was not even romantic, but Batman's girl counterpart and suddenly she’s being wedged into a love triangle like it’s CW drama. Not only that, but they deaged her, rewrote her dynamic with Dick from “older mentor figure” to “quirky same-age love interest.” That’s not evolution, that’s surgery on continuity with no anesthesia.

They butchered Dick’s history with Kory just to make room for a status quo that’s more palatable to a Bat-centric branding. They erased an engagement, deep emotional growth, and cosmic-scale love just to reduce her to a “fling.” That’s not just disrespect to Starfire, that’s disrespect to decades of storytelling.

It’s no coincidence that Dick and Kory’s relationship flourished when they had autonomy outside the Bat office. The Titans gave them space to be messy, raw, radiant. And it’s telling that when creators have the chance to write them freely (like in Titans, DCeased, Injustice, Future State) they gravitate back to DickKory. Because it works.

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It doesn't matter if they kissed she was still in love with Bruce.

and all the other shows are on the same contuinity with BTAS .

also if you wanna talk about serious love then where is the serious romantic Dickbabs in BTAS.

Babs straight up admitted Dick was just a puppy fling to her and that she and Bruce had the actual relationship, lol would she let herself get pregnant with Batman's baby if she truly loved Dick?

Literaly I never said Dickkory should come back.

and lol I'm not a teenager.

How is fighting and insulting teenagers on the internet as an adult makes you mature though.

and where's the have a great sunday.

You can pretend to be smart and unbothered all you want but we both know you're seething hard on your bed there reading all the anti-dickbabs posts. would you come after me with childish comebacks if you're not bitter and triggered lol dickkory shippers live in your head rent free 😆

Dick and Kory weren’t just a couple — they were narratively built for each other. Marv Wolfman and George Pérez crafted them with parallel arcs, emotionally and thematically. Dick, the disciplined human struggling with identity outside Batman’s shadow. Kory, the exiled alien princess learning humanity, freedom, love. They grew together. Their relationship was emotional, spiritual, ideological — not just romantic. They were equals who challenged and bettered each other.

And then editorial got messy.

Enter Babs, whose original purpose was not even romantic, but Batman's girl counterpart and suddenly she’s being wedged into a love triangle like it’s CW drama. Not only that, but they deaged her, rewrote her dynamic with Dick from “older mentor figure” to “quirky same-age love interest.” That’s not evolution, that’s surgery on continuity with no anesthesia.

They butchered Dick’s history with Kory just to make room for a status quo that’s more palatable to a Bat-centric branding. They erased an engagement, deep emotional growth, and cosmic-scale love just to reduce her to a “fling.” That’s not just disrespect to Starfire, that’s disrespect to decades of storytelling.

It’s no coincidence that Dick and Kory’s relationship flourished when they had autonomy outside the Bat office. The Titans gave them space to be messy, raw, radiant. And it’s telling that when creators have the chance to write them freely (like in Titans, DCeased, Injustice, Future State) they gravitate back to DickKory. Because it works.

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Jonboy literally made them kiss in his book and talked about Dick and Kory being a thing in his book, you blind asf.

and I'm sorry but BruceBabs came out first in the TV not in the comics LMAO looks like you didn't even watch the show. Babs was flirting and lusting all over Batman. In fact there are more BruceBabs scenes compared to Dickbabs scenes.

The video of Barbara sleeping with Batman got millions of views on youtube. It's far more popular than any of the canon dickbabs comics.

Yes Brucebabs was controversial too but did the hate and backlash stop Brucebabs from selling the show??

and lol "everything has to do with sales"??

The Suicide Squad movie and videogame were a flop yet James Gunn and DC continue to push for them because its one of their favorite dc teams. You'd think they'd stop making suicide squad content due to lack of sales and interest from the community but no DC recently announced a japanese suicide squad anime series.

It all depends on the higher ups interest. If they personally like something they would push for it no matter how much it makes

and how many times do you have to say Have a great Sunday as if you're leaving the conversation but then come back again, lol pls stop pretending you ain't bothered.

and I forgot to tell you Batman Lego the movie made 300 million in the box office and guess who is the pairing? Brucebabs

So yeah maybe everything depends on sales indeed. They should really push for BruceBabs because it's the ship that makes more money than Dickbabs 😂

Dick and Kory weren’t just a couple — they were narratively built for each other. Marv Wolfman and George Pérez crafted them with parallel arcs, emotionally and thematically. Dick, the disciplined human struggling with identity outside Batman’s shadow. Kory, the exiled alien princess learning humanity, freedom, love. They grew together. Their relationship was emotional, spiritual, ideological — not just romantic. They were equals who challenged and bettered each other.

And then editorial got messy.

Enter Babs, whose original purpose was not even romantic, but Batman's girl counterpart and suddenly she’s being wedged into a love triangle like it’s CW drama. Not only that, but they deaged her, rewrote her dynamic with Dick from “older mentor figure” to “quirky same-age love interest.” That’s not evolution, that’s surgery on continuity with no anesthesia.

They butchered Dick’s history with Kory just to make room for a status quo that’s more palatable to a Bat-centric branding. They erased an engagement, deep emotional growth, and cosmic-scale love just to reduce her to a “fling.” That’s not just disrespect to Starfire, that’s disrespect to decades of storytelling.

It’s no coincidence that Dick and Kory’s relationship flourished when they had autonomy outside the Bat office. The Titans gave them space to be messy, raw, radiant. And it’s telling that when creators have the chance to write them freely (like in Titans, DCeased, Injustice, Future State) they gravitate back to DickKory. Because it works.

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Which part about "Bateditorial being posessive of Dick and not letting writers push for Dickkory in main canon" Do you not get?

Here is John Boy meyer during the Rebirth era teasing dickkory in his interview then a month later left DC due to "creative difference"

There are definitely writers like him who asked for Dickkory but got turned down by editorial

Also how would you know if Dickkory can sell or not if they were not even given a chance to HAVE A COMIC in the first place. Editors rarely even make them talk in the modern books 😅

Even in the multiple recent elseworld stories like DC vs Vampires Dick is not allowed to be with Kory, it's Babs again for the million time. Isn't it obvious how greedy the higher ups are for dickbabs and how selfish they are towards dickkory.

Also I don't get the logic that they won't push for Dickkory because it didn't generate enough interest.

Literally nobody asked For Tim/Babs yet the Arkham Knight series ended up being one of the best selling videogames of all time.

Nobody asked for Jason/Babs yet Batman: The Three Jokers ended up one of the best selling comic series.

Nobody asked for Bruce/Babs yet BTAS ended up being the no. 1 most popular Batman cartoon series of all time that for sure made a lot of money for WB 😅😅😅

So no, it has nothing to do with Sales. It has nothing to do with business. It has nothing to do with Dickbabs selling better. Plenty of comics and media don't have dickbabs and they still made a lot of money.

They don't want Dickkory because the bat-editors PERSONALLY don't like the pairing and cannot get over their childhood crushes with Barbara. That's all to it.

Dick and Kory weren’t just a couple — they were narratively built for each other. Marv Wolfman and George Pérez crafted them with parallel arcs, emotionally and thematically. Dick, the disciplined human struggling with identity outside Batman’s shadow. Kory, the exiled alien princess learning humanity, freedom, love. They grew together. Their relationship was emotional, spiritual, ideological — not just romantic. They were equals who challenged and bettered each other.

And then editorial got messy.

Enter Babs, whose original purpose was not even romantic, but Batman's girl counterpart and suddenly she’s being wedged into a love triangle like it’s CW drama. Not only that, but they deaged her, rewrote her dynamic with Dick from “older mentor figure” to “quirky same-age love interest.” That’s not evolution, that’s surgery on continuity with no anesthesia.

They butchered Dick’s history with Kory just to make room for a status quo that’s more palatable to a Bat-centric branding. They erased an engagement, deep emotional growth, and cosmic-scale love just to reduce her to a “fling.” That’s not just disrespect to Starfire, that’s disrespect to decades of storytelling.

It’s no coincidence that Dick and Kory’s relationship flourished when they had autonomy outside the Bat office. The Titans gave them space to be messy, raw, radiant. And it’s telling that when creators have the chance to write them freely (like in Titans, DCeased, Injustice, Future State) they gravitate back to DickKory. Because it works.

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pretty sure you're implying Dickkory doesn't sell like dickbabs does.

This "Dickkory can't sell comics " "Tom Taylor's run sold" and "Dickkory haven't been canon for 30 years" is what a typical spiteful dickbabs shipper would always say in their argument. It's pretty easy to spot a dickbabs shipper based on their choice of words.

It's not DickKory's fault that the Bateditorial doesn't want them to be together.

They can work if the people who control them want them to work. Everything is possible in the world of fiction.

but Dick is mainly controlled by the Bateditorial who has a huge biased towards Babs.

There had been Titans writers in the past who wanted to bring back Dickkory in canon like Johnboy Meyer and Tim Sheridan but were unable to do so because there's always a mandate they had to follow. Dick can still show up in Titans books but the main direction of his character and love life is controlled by the Bateditorial.

Dick and Kory weren’t just a couple — they were narratively built for each other. Marv Wolfman and George Pérez crafted them with parallel arcs, emotionally and thematically. Dick, the disciplined human struggling with identity outside Batman’s shadow. Kory, the exiled alien princess learning humanity, freedom, love. They grew together. Their relationship was emotional, spiritual, ideological — not just romantic. They were equals who challenged and bettered each other.

And then editorial got messy.

Enter Babs, whose original purpose was not even romantic, but Batman's girl counterpart and suddenly she’s being wedged into a love triangle like it’s CW drama. Not only that, but they deaged her, rewrote her dynamic with Dick from “older mentor figure” to “quirky same-age love interest.” That’s not evolution, that’s surgery on continuity with no anesthesia.

They butchered Dick’s history with Kory just to make room for a status quo that’s more palatable to a Bat-centric branding. They erased an engagement, deep emotional growth, and cosmic-scale love just to reduce her to a “fling.” That’s not just disrespect to Starfire, that’s disrespect to decades of storytelling.

It’s no coincidence that Dick and Kory’s relationship flourished when they had autonomy outside the Bat office. The Titans gave them space to be messy, raw, radiant. And it’s telling that when creators have the chance to write them freely (like in Titans, DCeased, Injustice, Future State) they gravitate back to DickKory. Because it works.

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The NTT Book where Dickkory are together saved DC comics from bankruptcy

And Dickbabs is not the reason why Nightwing solo sells. It was because of Dick alone. His solo always sell whether he's in a relationship or not.

Dickbabs shippers taking credit is just funny to me considering Barbara cannot even sell a comic. Last time I checked DC cancelled her solo due to poor sales now she's stuck relying on Dick's solo to be relevant and appear in stuff.

So nightwing selling cannot be because of Barbara since most people didn't even give AF about her in her solo.

If anything saying it sold because of her would only prove that people only support her when she's with Dick which does a huge disservice to her character being viewed as nothing more than a trophy gf to Dick.

Overall Remove Barbara from Dick's books and I guarantee you nothing will change. Dick can survive as a character on his own while Barbara nowadays is just too dependent on being someone's gf to exist on her own. Even in other books she won't keep Dick's name out of her mouth.

I know a dickbabs shipper when i see one. They are the very same people who get highly defensive when they see someone simply criticizing dickbabs.

No real non-db person would spend so much time trying to invalidate this post. Like why does this bother you so much. Let people dislike dickbabs.

Dick and Kory weren’t just a couple — they were narratively built for each other. Marv Wolfman and George Pérez crafted them with parallel arcs, emotionally and thematically. Dick, the disciplined human struggling with identity outside Batman’s shadow. Kory, the exiled alien princess learning humanity, freedom, love. They grew together. Their relationship was emotional, spiritual, ideological — not just romantic. They were equals who challenged and bettered each other.

And then editorial got messy.

Enter Babs, whose original purpose was not even romantic, but Batman's girl counterpart and suddenly she’s being wedged into a love triangle like it’s CW drama. Not only that, but they deaged her, rewrote her dynamic with Dick from “older mentor figure” to “quirky same-age love interest.” That’s not evolution, that’s surgery on continuity with no anesthesia.

They butchered Dick’s history with Kory just to make room for a status quo that’s more palatable to a Bat-centric branding. They erased an engagement, deep emotional growth, and cosmic-scale love just to reduce her to a “fling.” That’s not just disrespect to Starfire, that’s disrespect to decades of storytelling.

It’s no coincidence that Dick and Kory’s relationship flourished when they had autonomy outside the Bat office. The Titans gave them space to be messy, raw, radiant. And it’s telling that when creators have the chance to write them freely (like in Titans, DCeased, Injustice, Future State) they gravitate back to DickKory. Because it works.

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Dickbabs was shoehorned into Dickkory because a lot of dickbabs comics like Nightwing Annual 2, Batgirl Year one have continued to degrade Kory and undermine her importance to Dick during his NTT days to prop up Barbara claiming she was just a sexual fling in NTT who Dick wanted to just get busy with while waiting for his true love Barbara 🙄

Take for example dickkory's wedding happened in 1992, Nightwing annual which was only published in 2007 claimed Dick cheated on Barbara the night before their wedding despite the fact Dick never even mentioned Barbara's name in NTT and wasn't pining over her. And he definitely wasn't a cheater.

That's how you know how insecure and BITTER dickbabs writers and how much they're threatened by Dickkory that despite being broken up for years they still can't keep Kory's name out of their mouths.

And Literally saying Dickkory haven't been a thing for 30 years is not gonna change the fact that Dickbabs is manufactured by ooc regressive retcons and character assasinations.

(also this is like saying we should move on from PeterMJ now since they have been apart for too long and their marriage was erased for decades and cuz Mary Jane is currently married to Paul LMAO)

If anything this just proves how irrelevant and useless dickbabs comics are since they can't even convince majority of the people to pick Barbara over Starfire. How embarassing is that for the dickbabs camp, the couple that have been apart for 30 years BEAT them by a landslide.

"But dickbabs is canon" literally nobody gives AF. Most people don't give AF. I have read dickbabs comics and still don't like them.

Dick and Kory weren’t just a couple — they were narratively built for each other. Marv Wolfman and George Pérez crafted them with parallel arcs, emotionally and thematically. Dick, the disciplined human struggling with identity outside Batman’s shadow. Kory, the exiled alien princess learning humanity, freedom, love. They grew together. Their relationship was emotional, spiritual, ideological — not just romantic. They were equals who challenged and bettered each other.

And then editorial got messy.

Enter Babs, whose original purpose was not even romantic, but Batman's girl counterpart and suddenly she’s being wedged into a love triangle like it’s CW drama. Not only that, but they deaged her, rewrote her dynamic with Dick from “older mentor figure” to “quirky same-age love interest.” That’s not evolution, that’s surgery on continuity with no anesthesia.

They butchered Dick’s history with Kory just to make room for a status quo that’s more palatable to a Bat-centric branding. They erased an engagement, deep emotional growth, and cosmic-scale love just to reduce her to a “fling.” That’s not just disrespect to Starfire, that’s disrespect to decades of storytelling.

It’s no coincidence that Dick and Kory’s relationship flourished when they had autonomy outside the Bat office. The Titans gave them space to be messy, raw, radiant. And it’s telling that when creators have the chance to write them freely (like in Titans, DCeased, Injustice, Future State) they gravitate back to DickKory. Because it works.

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My thoughts: Barbara/Dickbabs fans love to accuse Starfire/Dickkory fans of misogyny and ableism yet here's Barbara mistreating other women.

Reading comments from dickbabs shippers is so scary. you're not allowed to simply dislike Barbara anymore without Barbara fans and Dickbabs shippers jumping on you and accusing you of ableism/misogyny..

So preferring another woman over a woman is misogyny?

So you hate disabled people now if you don't prefer Dick with Barbara?

or maybe some people just simply don't like Barbara and i think that's totally fine. Not everyone has to like what you like.

You can't ever say your opinion about their favorite character and ship without getting personally insulted and attacked by them and If you dare simply criticize some of barbara's bad actions and their ship's awful writings they'll talk about you in their private groupchats nonstop and convince the others to harass you too. It's not normal being scared and being threatened just for saying you don't like a certain character and prefer a character with someone else.

They treat Barbara like she's some sort of untouchable goddess who everyone has to like and worship even though she herself has done awful things to other people, she slutshames and degrades women when she gets jealous like she was so harsh and mean to Kory just because she has a romantic history with Dick.. She mocked Kory's looks and refused to help her on a mission where thousands of her people were dying and all she could ever think about was "is she going with Dick?" like girl wtf. be professional. 🤦‍♀️

She also slutshamed Helena and called her night with Dick "a cheap meaningless one night stand" despite the fact Dick told Helena he doesn't do casual sex, also it was not her place to reveal to anyone that Helena slept with Arsenal like how would you feel if one day you woke up and you found out that your coworker told everyone in your workplace that you were sleeping with a guy behind your back . She has no respect for a woman's privacy and mind you she did it out of spite cuz she was jealous again that she's not the only woman Dick loved.

and here's another thing, her fans love to accuse starfire fans of being ableist towards her but it's funny how Babs herself was ableist to Cass aka a female character who has dyslexia. She called her stupid just because she doesn't know how to read.

Also none of them spoke about women's rights when official comicbook writers slutshamed and mistreated the other women in Dick's life just to uplift Barbara and definitely none of them cared when their favorite dickbabs writer aka Tom Taylor liked a pro-barbara comment bashing Starfire but when someone says a single thing about Barbara it's World War 3 for them 🙄

They even created a picture where they said A real dickkory fan doesn't hate on Barbara I'm sorry but not everything depends on Barbara. A person can be a real dickkory fan while not liking Barbara at the same time. Let people dislike Barbara in peace! It's not anyone's fault that you Barbara fans are a bunch of triggered insecure buttthurt entitled brats who can't accept the fact not everyone likes Barbara Gordon! Also there's no need to be hypocritical. I've seen hundreds of you defacing and slutshaming Starfire too for years!!!

You guys act like a hypocritical totalitarian regime controlling people and censoring them left and right. It's really scary and also pathetic at the same time. You can't force people to like her and your ship. Sorry your feelings got hurt but there's nothing that you can do to change other people's minds about Barbara. They can dislike her and say why whenever they want. It's called freedom of speech and personal preference. They don't owe you anything for you to act like they should submit to your demands. If you can't accept that then that's more of a You problem. You guys need to work on your insecurity issues cuz it's higher than the Mount Everest at this point!!

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Another victory for dickkory fans 🤭

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My Opinion about Barbara Gordon as Oracle.

Oracle is a great character. Don't get me wrong.

My issue has nothing to do with her disability but more on how her writers and fans brag about her job and position in the DCU in an arrogant way.

I've met a lot of toxic barbara gordon fans who think she's an untouchable goddess who everyone has to worship and who thinks she runs the entire universe.

Again Oracle is a great character but I don't like it when her writers and fans ignore, sideline, and dumb down other dc characters to prop her up.

I think she's a bit overhyped and her role is over-exagerrated.

let me explain.

Her fans think she's the brain of the DCU.

I disagree with this.

Barbara is smart but I refuse to believe she's DC's no. 1 most smartest character when the Brainiac Family, Lex Luthor, Detective Chimp and Mr Terrific are right there.

Her fans think she's the one and only tech support and central hub of information for the entire dc superhero community.

Who gave Barbara this title?

In what world where 10 billion+ people exist, is it possible to only have 1 person capable of using technology and providing information to people.

I don't think Barbara is that special.

There are plenty of DC Characters who know how to use a computer.

Who know how to research.

Who know how to hack.

Who know how to communicate with other heroes.

Who know how to use technologies

The Brainiac Family, Lex Luthor, Cyborg, Mr. Terrific, Danny Chase, Bruce Wayne, Tim Drake, Luke Fox, Blue Bettle, Green Arrow, Atom etc.

and Governments exist in dc too!!! There's literally Amanda Waller!

Batman has the Bat-computer in his Batcave

The Titans have a huge computer at Titans Tower.

The Justice League has the watchtower which has even installed highly advanced off world technologies.

You expect me to believe these characters don't use their own computers and resources and just wait on Barbara to hand feed them information???

Why are her writers and fans ignoring all these other intelligent tech users and information brokers in DC?

Why are they making Barbara the center of their universe.

Reastically, A lot of characters don't really need Barbara to do things for them.

They can do what she does.

A lot of DC teams have fully functioned and stood on their own without her help.

Her fans always say she's a huge part of the Justice League and Suicide Squad.

Yes she is a member but she's not an integral part of those teams and I'm sorry but she's not easily remembered as a member of those teams. She's forgettable.

Nobody knows who Oracle is outside of comics.

Oracle doesn't even exists in multiple Justice League and Suicide Squad cartoon shows and movies.

Again Barbara is a great character but her role and importance is over-exagerrated.

And I don't know if this is the right word but she looks like a cloutchaser to me since she's often shoehorned into other character's histories and into other teams she has nothing to do with to maintain her relevance. Worse she dumbs down characters along the way to justify her presence.

just like What Tom Taylor did in the Titans book when he shoehorned her into their team despite the fact that she's not a Titan and she's not needed. They literally already have Cyborg for tech support 🙁 what's worse is that Cyborg got sidelined to make her look more useful to the team.

Again I don't hate Barbara.

I just don't like the constant bias towards her.

I do think Barbara is Gotham's information hub, but I don't think she's the queen of the entire dc universe.

Overall i think she's better on her own with her own original supporting cast because Every other hero she touches gets dumbed down to prop her up including Dick.

Dick is an intelligent detective and he's also a good hacker. He's even hacked an alien computer before but the second he gets paired with Barbara, he stays away from technologies and gets dumber so he can be the himbo muscle and she can be the Brains behind their operation 🙁

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Friendly reminder that DC and Dickbabs writers are gaslighting you into thinking Dickbabs are childhood sweethearts that are always in love with each other since day 1.

Dickbabs is the most superficial manufactured by retcons ship.

Babs was deaged for this crap to work.

Here is Original Barbara Gordon working as a congresswoman in the Senate when Dick was just the little kid Robin.

She was much closer to Bruce and Clark's age than Dick's.

Barbara refers to Dick as a "kid" and "little brother.

Dick had a small puppy crush on her but it was seen as a precocious crush. It was controversial when they first kiss (to make Dick shut up) because it involved a grown ass woman kissing a teenager.

Dickbabs was hated the same way modern Brucebabs is hated today.

Even the writer of that book admitted he never intended for them to become a couple.

Babs was more into older guys.

- she was viewed as an equal love interest to Batman

- she went out on a date with Superman

- then got engaged to her coworker Jason Bard.

Dickbabs shippers always try to deny that Babs was deaged and her history was altered for dickbabs in an effort to defend their ship.

They say it's not true because according to them Babs has been deaged long before dickbabs became a couple.

Here's the thing though:

Babs has been deaged twice.

Just because she wasn't deaged to be with Dick in her 1st deaging doesn't change the fact that she was deaged to be the same age as him in her 2nd deaging which happened in dickbabs content.

The 1st time she was deaged was in Crisis on Infinite Earths, it was so Jim could be younger but they only decreased her age slightly because she's still written as older than Dick, here is a panel from Secret Origins #20 that was published in 1986 exactly 1 year after she was first deaged in Crisis on infinite earths (1985) she said Dick is too young for her and that batman is always the one on her mind. So Dickbabs during this time still couldn't work because they still have that age gap and Babs was still into Bruce.

The 2nd time she was deaged is in dickbabs comics and tv shows where she was finally made the same age as Dick so dickbabs can finally work as a romantic pairing.

Instead of being older, she's now written as a part of Dick's generation.

From a congresswoman to a young girl who went to highschool prom with Dick.

Even Tom Taylor had the two first meet when they were young little kids so he can also portray them as childhood sweethearts in his run.

Tom Taylor claims Barbara still has a law degree but isn't it sad how instead of using that degree to find an actual job, she wasted her time following Dick around like a dog in Bludhaven ?

She has no job of her own, no friends of her own, no hobbies of her own outside of Dick.

She's just Dick's clingy lovesick girlfriend who is a total standby for him in his solo books.

Dickbabs shippers who deny this and get mad at people who point this out are the people who don't care about Barbara Gordon as an individual.

They don't care that Barbara lost her PHD degree, lost her own career, lost her own agency, lost her history, lost her self identity for the sake of shipping.

Their only concern is defending dickbabs and making it look better.

Because if they truly like Barbara separately from Dick, all these valid anti-dickbabs criticisms wouldn't bother them.

What's even funnier is that they are the very same people who accuse Starfire of being reduced into Dick's love interest despite the fact that Starfire hasn't been in a relationship with Dick in the comics for 20+ years due to the fact that dickkory's history was ignored and erased in favor of dickbabs. NASTY HYPOCRITES.

At least Starfire wasn't deaged to fit Dick and you can never see Starfire following Dick around like a dog in his solo books 💀

[trexiejan]

I have a theory that Tom Taylor copied/took a lot of inspirations from Dickkory.

I may or may not be wrong but I just can't help but notice the timing and the similarities. A lot of things in dickbabs relationship are not very original at all. Most of the time they just steal concept from other couples.

Now going back to Tom, I suspect he was in a lot of social media apps (twitter, reddit, instagram etc) and secretly lurked in nightwing fandom groups and have read their posts and conversations etc. including about dickkory.

1. The concept of visiting his parents' grave

This panel of Kory and Dick showing up in his parents graveyard was shared in the Nightwing subreddit 1 month ago. How come 1 month later Tom wrote a similar thing for Dick and Babs?

Also notice Dick told Kory "You shouldn't be here" but Tom wrote Dick telling Babs "Thanks for coming here" it seems to me Tom really saw the kory comic and wanted to make the dialougue different for dickbabs to make them look better.

2. The concept of wearing each other's superhero costumes.

This fanart of dick and kory exchanging costumes was created by Laurarts on March 4, 2024, it went viral on twitter and it was also shared on the nightwing subreddit.

How come 1 month later Tom Taylor wrote that Dick and Babs wear each other's costumes too in Nightwing #113 that was published in April 17, 2024. 💀.

3. The concept of being freaky

Now my suspicions of Tom stalking and copying Dickkory content was solidified when he literally posted this gif of Dickkory from the DCAMU, notice how Dick and Babs started acting horny and freaky in his run after he tweeted this and Babs started teasing Dick and making sexual jokes to him like Kory does to Dick in the dcamu. 💀💀💀

4. The concept of A crowd of heroes watching them.

I remember a year ago I posted this screenshot of an article discussing the original plan for dickkory in reply to a thread where Tom Taylor got tagged by the person i was talking to. The person was a dickbabs shipper who insisted NTT dickkory was bound to fail, I told OP it's not true, i showed her this screenshot of the article that discussed the original wedding plan for dick and kory and where it also says a crowd of heroes would watch Dick and Kory. How come a few months later Tom Taylor wrote this dickbabs wedding scene in his run and made a crowd of heroes watch dickbabs too??? 💀

5. Wally being a shipper

This panel of Wally in Teen Titans Academy #9 being a Dickkory shipper was published in December 14, 2021, how come a few months later, Tom Taylor wrote Wally being a dickbabs shipper in Nightwing #91 (April 19, 2022). Wally felt ooc because he never once talked about dickbabs before tom wrote him in his book💀

6. The concept of a woman teaching Dick to be more than just a hero

Seriously, Kory already taught him this 😭 She was literally the reason why he didn't become a Batman 2.0, He already learned the whole "you can be more than just a hero and be in a happy relationship" lesson from Kory.

But Tom Taylor just had to bring him back to square 1 so he can make Barbara say this to him too, making her act like Kory 💀 it's funny cuz Barbara never acted like this before, don't forget she was the one who keep rejecting him and making him feel bad for trying to be happy before 💀💀💀

So yeah sorry if i'm being annoying about this, I might be wrong but even if i'm wrong it still doesn't make dickbabs original since dickkory writers and fanartist did these concepts first.

and tom taylor is known to be an obsessed dickbabs shipper who tried to have beef with dickkory shippers on twitter so copying dickkory content as a form of secret revenge sounds like something he would do 😬

[trexiejan]

I agree with OP. Both Dick and Babs become a watered down version of themselves whenever they're romantically paired together.

Let's be honest people who are fine with characters being mischaracterized by writers for the sake of shipping don't give af about them as individuals. Dickbabs shippers only like Babs when she's dick's trophy wife ( 99% of these ppl dont gaf about babs herself and only think about her in relation to dickbabs

and none of them advocate for writers to bring back her independence outside of Dick, i bet they can't even picture a world where Babs exist on her own 💀) and you also don't see them complaining about dick being himbofied in dickbabs stories.

Those can't be real Barbara fans or real Dick fans. Those are just Dickbabs fans 💀💀💀

[trexiejan]

Funny how Dickbabs shippers keep bragging about that comic from the 70's where Barbara who was a grown ass woman was kissing a minor Dick Grayson (pedo vibes 🤢) saying it's the ultimate proof that Dickbabs is more classic than Dickkory when the author of that comic admitted he doesn't even want Dickbabs. 🙃

like how is it a classic couple? they're not even a couple in that comic??

A gross ass woman sexually assaulting a minor makes them a classic couple that predates Dickkory???

Hello Dickkory were an actual serious comicbook couple in the 80's who were both adults.

70's dickbabs was a controversial pedophilic mistake that got backlashed.

seriously what good has this ship done other than sexually assaulting minor dick in the classic comics then deaging and reducing babs into his gf in the modern comics to make us forget it's pedophilic roots.

Dickbabs shippers try not to be delusional challenge : IMPOSSIBLE.

[trexiejan]

Barbara Gordon when she put a spy camera on Dick's house vs. Barbara Gordon when she found out Bruce Wayne put a spy camera on her house.

Man fuck this bitch and her hypocrisy. She's the most awful heroine I've ever seen in the entire dc comics.