#hypothetical discourse

[iridescentmidnights]

live action reboot for witch is unfortunately happening.

at this point i don't even know who it is for, considering witch isn't a well known series by the younger and newer generation unless they had siblings who have told them about it or seen documentaries on yt, or edits/amvs.

avatar is coming back as an animated series again, and like. this was disney's answer to it. wouldn't the smart answer be to have it be animated again.

i'm so. i'm so upset.

Oh I didn't know that w.i.t.c.h. was getting the LA treatment, if it really is then I'm surprised since Disney doesn't really acknowledge it. It's okay to be upset about it, though if for any one reason the fact that it's not well known or popular is a good reason for a reboot or new show/movie adaptation. It brings new life to a franchise and gets new eyes on it protecting it from becoming lost media. But I can understand being upset, I bet a lot if not most fans (I mean me haha) want a continuation of the cartoon or new animated series with a fresh start that cleans up the OG comics while being faithful to it. (tbf I think the only way Avatar can be continued is in animated form, I don't think fans would receive anything else with grace (again me). But as a property ALTA/LoK can done well in LA, its really not hard to imagine.) I don't understand why they would want to make it in LA though, it's nearly impossible to cast (since the art is so stylized and human kids age unlike cartoons) and budget constraints already mean a lot of the magic and whimsy has to go. I can't imagine they'd bother with effort in the costuming or using practical effects. So all these cool monster characters will just be human people 99% of the time. In like...a shirt and pants... Though I haven't read the reboot comic since there's no English version I can get my hands on, I imagine that's what's on the table to be adapted. Though if the og is still on the table the possibility of needing to double cast characters for the civilian child and guardian teenager/young adult sounds like a nightmare. Either they keep it and make it weird, make them teenagers making it weird, or they stay kids also making it weird because it really only works as a fun girly power fantasy if it stays animated. So yes, imo w.i.t.c.h. would be best served animated, it would be the smartest choice. And double triple yes you're valid for being upset and tired of this. "Girl" media gets treated horribly and magical girl stuff especially. We deserve a win and I have heavy doubts we'd get a quarter of the thought and effort PJO got 🥺😔

[prokopetz]

I think we're starting to dilute the meaning of "terminally online". Like, no, it's not terminally online to have eccentric opinions about a popular TV show – people like that existed before "online" was a thing. Unless we're talking at least an "it's homophobic for gay furries to have rat fursonas because they're depicting gay people as vermin", the onlineness falls well short of terminal.

[queerum]

aspec person:kinda fucked up that some queer people think aspecs aren't queer unprompted allo person: oh but what they mean is that you're not in danger because you're still basically cis/straight. They're right but you're still part of the community

even ignoring the casual aphobia of saying aspecs are cishet-lite, i'm tired of those kind of exchanges so let's be for fucking real right now:

Proof that aspecs go through conversion therapy:

The “A” Is Not for Ally: The Continued Pathologization of Asexual People in Modern Mental Health Practices

Better understanding of the scope and nature of LGBTQA+ religious conversion practices will support recovery

Proof that aspec have high rates of suicidality and self-harm:

Intersectional Impact of Allosexism Experiences on Non‐Suicidal Self‐Injury Among Asexual Youth

An Intersectional Exploration of Outness, Encountered Discrimination and Violence, and Non-Suicidal Self-Injury among Asexual Youth across Gender Identities

Variations in suicidality across multiple social identities in asexual people: An intersectionality analysis

Comparing Asexual and Non-Asexual Sexual Minority Adolescents and Young Adults: Stressors, Suicidality, and Mental and Behavioural Health Risk Outcomes

Proof that aspecs go through corrective rape and assault:

Sexual Violence Against the Asexual Community

A quantitative examination of the role of relationship status in asexual college students’ sexual victimization

Battling Asexual Discrimination, Sexual Violence And 'Corrective' Rape

and that list of reputable sources took less than 20 minutes of research. you just don't want to recognize it.

[amaranthdahlia]

i luv kudou's pretty wife

[danothan]

why do some ppl in fandom feel the need to clarify that they’re a multishipper, isn’t that normal? having an OTP has never stopped me from mix-matching dynamics like playing w dolls

[fiona-fififi]

could you explain to me why you think bucktommy forever would be narratively satisfying but there's no possibility of them introducing a love interest for eddie that would be satisfying? i don't understand

I DON'T think bucktommy would be narratively satisfying.

I DO think there is more potential in the current narrative structure for them to make bucktommy endgame work in a reasonably narratively satisfying way (IF Eddie's story wasn't a factor, which it is).

I also don't necessarily think it would be impossible for them to bring in someone for Eddie if I'm imagining they have all the time in the world to make that work. But the reality of the current narrative is that I don't think they have all the time in the world. And as talented as these writers are, I don't see any way they could introduce someone entirely new, with no connection to the current narrative, and make me buy that person as Eddie's endgame. There just isn't time. A couple of years ago, I would have said that I thought Eddie could have an interesting and satisfying ending to his story if he learned that he didn't need romantic fulfillment to be happy. Since then, however, they've really doubled down on Eddie's loneliness and desire for a romantic partner AND they went for the queer Buck storyline. When you add to that all of Eddie's history with Buck and the way he's welcomed Buck into his life and embraced him as a partner both in his own life and in Christopher's, I don't see any way for them to disentangle that story and introduce someone else (unless it was Tommy, maybe, but nobody's going to want to hear that).

It would just take SO much work and time that I'm not sure they have because it would take several seasons, I think, for it to really reach any level of satisfying.

The difference with bucktommy is simply that it would take very slightly less work (though still a TON of work) for a few reasons.

First, Buck is just Buck. With Eddie, there's also the Christopher of it all to contend with, which adds a complicating layer that extends the work that needs to be done in Eddie's story in a way that doesn't exist for Buck's story (as important as Christopher is for Buck, it's very different from what would need to happen for Eddie who is literally Christopher's parent). So Buck's story has fewer complications to contend with, especially since they've already gotten it off the ground with Buck's queer awakening and introducing his relationship with Tommy already at this point in canon. So there would literally just be less time involved.

Beyond that, Tommy is already an established character in universe. They don't need to do quite as much work to help us get to know him, because we already do, even if only peripherally. But he is established as significant to the stories of other characters beyond Buck. He had a role to play in Chimney's, Hen's, and Bobby's (and hell, even Eddie's!) stories long before he ever became significant to Buck's. So, developing his place among the team and their extended family is not nearly as complicated as it would be with someone entirely new—and even someone from Eddie's past wouldn't have the history with the team, so still, more complications there.

So, yes, I think bucktommy has more potential in the current narrative structure (if—and ONLY if—completely divorced from Eddie's storyline, which it can never be).

But not only do I not actually think either could be a satisfying ending for either Buck or Eddie in the current narrative, there actually isn't anything to suggest that the show is doing the work it needs to to make that potential a reality, either. Because they are not separating out Eddie and Buck (frankly, they're entwining them further). And they aren't even doing any work to flesh out Tommy’s character. I know fandom has grown really attached to him, but the reality is that the character is currently just being used as a pawn to move Buck's story forward. Tommy has a past with the 118 that creates a lot of potential, but that potential is not being used. The character is, frankly, pretty flat at the current moment. They haven't even tried to bring him back into the 118 fold—the only people he's really interacted with since his reintroduction are Eddie and Buck, when there has been plenty of opportunity to fold him back into the team in ways that would at least have him vaguely interacting with the others (like, I don't know, Chimney actually inviting him to the wedding or Hen even acknowledging him at the bachelor party). Their relationship is cute and sweet, but there's nothing that indicates it's any deeper than any of the other relationships Buck has had thus far, and they are actively juxtaposing the bucktommy relationship with the buddie relationship in a way that makes very clear just how surface level that relationship really is when compared to the depth of Buck and Eddie's relationship with one another.

So, no, I don't think bucktommy are going to be endgame, nor do I have any interest in them being endgame. But I recognize that there is currently—literally, in the canon narrative—more potential for bucktommy to work if the show really wanted to make it happen and put in the work, mostly because of Tommy’s history with the rest of the 118.

On Eddie's end, there is no current canon potential. There's no current love interest they could turn around (especially because Edy is a shit human being and people would riot if they actually made Marisol Eddie's endgame). There's no past love interest they could bring back that wouldn't somehow have to be worked into the rest of the team. There's the additional complication of the Christopher of it all and how much that changes where Eddie's story can go and how quickly it can be developed.

It's quite literally just the difference in time. If Buck's relationship with Eddie wasn't a factor, I think they could do it in two seasons for bucktommy. For Eddie and this currently non-existent love interest, I think it'd take a good three or more, and even then, I think it would have to be someone they introduce as a part of the team (Lucy? Ravi? Tommy?) because anyone separate wouldn't have any room to develop sufficiently.

But the reality is that, frankly, the ONLY narratively satisfying ending for Eddie and Buck is one another. Any other option would require dismantling so much beautiful storytelling that I cannot see how it would ever be worth it.

[therealtsk]

thinking about The Girls again and how thematically interesting Ward would have been if Taylor had been living with Lisa. Only barely tangentially involved cape business. Would mostly just work as a barista or a bookshop owner or something and went home to help Lisa with Aiden and played card games with Aisha and the rest of her group on the weekends. Would give people advice and stuff but very deliberately didn't get involved. I understand that the absence of Taylor was almost it's own character in Ward, but all the same, I really do think that Taylor being shown to have almost succeeded in moving on from capery, being about a normal person as she could be- maybe not happy all the time but content with her life where she gets to live with her best friends, sell books and maybe help some people here and there on the side would have helped with how emotionally distressing ward got, and provide hope that even someone as horrendously unstable and damaged as Taylor managed to find some peace in a world where peace often feels like an abstract concept. heck, i think Taylor being there would have also provided Victoria with someone who would have been able to give her the perspective check she really needed at times. Because while i love that girl, my god did some of her plans and actions reach some real moments of horror. Would have been a really cool narrative moment for Taylor to hear Victoria's idea for the new superprison and be like "This is an idea I would have had when I was a cape. I didn't expect I'd hear it from you." Basically I'm saying that it would have been cool to see Ward be less about the massive, sprawling fights and crazy shard shenanigans and be more of a contemplative story about the rebuilding of society, how and if capes can retire, how can you be a good person and also enjoy being a superhero when your job is largely defined by violence, ect. Oh and also Victoria and Ashley should have had more homoerotic moments with each other so taylor and lisa could stare at them and go "ah, remember when we were like that? good times."

[andiv3r]

I always find it so funny when I see someone's url is something like "b1gg3st-fr3ak" and then the first thing in their bio is "PROSHITTERS DNI GO KYS"

[rawliverandgoronspice]

I have to say, I think I'm conceptually more into ganzelink than into ganlink or zelgan separately

[asgardian--angels]

things I wish I could relive for the first time again:

that magical window where you finish a new piece of media, having watched/read it all by yourself with no fandom contact whatsoever, and you are just so happy about it, and full of interesting theories and takeaways, and just in love with it as a gorgeous piece of art.

because I swear to god as soon as you join the fandom for anything, you're bombarded with how you're supposed to view characters and their arcs, how you're supposed to morally and ethically judge the plot and the ways it apparently failed to present the right message, and if you don't you'll either be shunned for not sharing the popular headcanons or you'll be harassed for not criticizing the source material enough.

like how is it that the fans of a piece of media are also the ones being the most negative about it? If I like a show or a movie or a book, well, I liked it. That's kind of the point. I'm actually not here to tear it apart and talk about how it didn't live up to standards other people had! I enjoyed it for what it was, and forcing myself to find negative things to say about it doesn't actually bring me more enjoyment of it or reap any benefit to me. Fandom's a double-edged sword; you want to join a community to share your love for a piece of art, and the price you pay for a modicum of joy is a mountain of negativity. that's one main reason that I never engage with fandom until I'm completely done with a show, because if I was plugged into all of that commentary and discourse during the process, I'd be completely colored by how I'm expected to interpret everything this piece of art is presenting to me without being able to even form my own opinions.

[oldbutchdanielcraig]

his obsession with the queer soundtrack also makes me wonder on the connection between drew and allerton. he always says he related to him on a deep level, and beyond the rpf-shared-yearning-for-a-sixty-year-old-man-in-common, i wonder how and in what way he mirrors allerton. same thing w daniel always saying he understood lee’s loneliness like… please men elaborate!

RIGHT LIKE …… no because it’s so interesting! anyone who’s ever even dabbled in actor rpf will drive home the importance of character bleed and me first among them. but drewniel character bleed is a very difficult beast……. i could #speculate all day long about both of them but i will refrain from doing that fully right now. but like for example take daniel who like. if you’ve spent any time in the entertainment world online it’s like an open secret that he’s bisexual yet whenever he’s been asked about it (in a “gotcha” way which is annoying) he always finds some middle ground way of emerging heterosexually….. which i think is fine especially in the context which he’s asked about it. but he has at this point not come out and i imagine that is in part because he shares the same attitude as lee which views the whole community “queer experience” a little trite and unnecessary and maybe even cringe. and that’s fine but i do think separation from that community can be lonely even if practiced in private or whatever. IDK. i hope that makes sense. me when i say i’m not gonna speculate and then i do anyway. to sum up i could speculate with more words than this but I AGREE i needed someone to dig deeper on the character bleed potential here

[moved-967558]

If Madoka Magica was released in 2014-2017, you'd have tags like #pmmmcritical containing unhinged and opinionated discourse posts like: "Unfriendly fucking reminder to STOP fucking joking about He/ad/less Ma//mi because her death fucking TRAUMATIZED Mad//oka and Sa//yaka and you're a monster if you think a 15-year-old getting decapitated by a witch in front of her friends and giving them PTSD is funny", alongside various random posts rabidly hating on Kyubey or Madoka's little brother.

[age-of-moonknight]

hello me again, there is a debate that i started on twitter and now i wanna hear your/ tumblr's thoughts on this as well. if you were in Marc's/ Jake's position, would you kill Harrow?

seems simple enough right? wrong- here is were the fun paradoxical part comes in. (Mar'c POV of the debate)

if you killed harrow while still being enslaved to Khonshu, you would still technically be killing in the name of Khonshu-- it wouldn't be your choice. Even though you agree that he should die because he's a genocidal maniac, that autonomy of that choice gets taken away from you. (if that makes sense) (VS Jake's POV of the debate)

If you were to kill Harrow, the person who is responsible of all the pain and suffering for the past few months-- the man responsible for creating a genocide it would be a no brain-er. Of course you would kill him, he literally threatened everyone you care about. He makes the world not safe just by his very existence. But here is the trolley problem. By killing Harrow you save billion of people, including your family but by killing Harrow your taking away the symbolism of your sibling making a choice to not kill because it wouldn't technically be their choice to make.

Now, if you want my choice of what i would do? i would kill him. I have siblings of my own and even though i would feel terrible later about doing that to them, i would not feel bad at all for killing him. (punisher voice) Hell i would do it again if i got the chance. If someone hurt my siblings they are a dead man walking. what do you think? what would you do :)

Oh gosh, the debates have found my blog where I just post comic panels hahaha Thanks for sending this my way! It means so much to me that you would so highly value my opinion that you would take the time to send this. First disclosure, I'm rather more familiar with the Moon Knight comics compared to the show. Second disclosure, my apologies in advance, but in cases of such moral ambiguity I'm, like, unfortunately allergic to giving my opinion, get a little cagey about revealing what I really think about things for some reason, and I'm also a contrary son of a gun, so I frequently take the coward's way out and just argue the opposing side no matter how I might actually feel on something. 😅

Accordingly, while I understand the classic "Punisher" argument that a, shall we say, more permanent solution is the only definitive way to insure that a particular individual never causes harm again, it's also just that, incredibly permanent and final. Particularly in Harrow's case where he was already subdued and restrained to the point of not posing an active threat, killing him doesn't allow any chance for further development or a 180 (as our resident favorite war criminal Marc once did), which I believe Marc was alluding to when he told Khonshu that vengeance absolutely necessitating death sounds like Ammit's overreaching (genocidal) "justice." What I like even more though, is keeping Harrow alive means he gets to stew in his impotence and powerlessness for the rest of his miserable days, never to even brush the same kind of power he once had, which I'm sure is a particularly torturous existence for him. Maintaining top-notch security that insures Harrow never escapes would consume significant resources, but there's just something to be said about letting justice be exacted over the long course of someone's life as opposed to taking/giving them the easy out of a quick end.

Plus, there's also the consideration that, when dealing with fanatical groups such as Harrow's, there is a high likelihood that killing him would turn him into a martyr figure that could motivate far worse extremists for generations to come.

Plus plus, keeping Harrow alive to suffer consequences would irk Khonshu and that reason alone makes it almost worth it to me.

But hey, what do I know, I'm just some person on the internet who perhaps made the very unwise decision to argue the opposing side of an incredibly complex discussion hahaha and you did say that you wanted Tumblr's opinion, so let's see if I can make the poll function work.

[transsexualgriffith]

really wish people would understand that redemption isn't always the goal for every fictional character and sometimes in fact their lack of their being redeemed is part of fulfilling their narrative purpose. and also that a story in which a villian is not redeemed doesn't necessarily equate to their being irredeemable. that's just not what the damn story is about

[heavenpierceher]

repeatedly trying and failing to word some sort of stupid post about how having ocd and ptsd and the general state of being of Having Triggers on this site is like torture while inelegantly dodging current discourse buzzwords like a minefield