#intersex system

[starstruckpurple]

please talk to some intersex trans women (actual trans women who are intersex) before calling yourself transfem when it doesnt describe you at all.

Alright. This is my first ever anon stuff and I don't know what to feel about this. Thank you for the ask itself. I only shared my personal experience and history, and given the likes, some people did find that relatable. I would have loved to ask you what you think it is that describes me, if you were not anon. Do you think I am a perisex AFAB who just has PCOS? That is what I deduced from this ask. I did feel alienation because of the circumstances that were not on my hands. Whatever I am in the eyes of you, this doesn't change that. And this specific alienation, "failure" to be a woman, based on what people around me told me or implied to me (and maybe this is not the word suitable here), further alienated me from the concept of femininity altogether. I escaped from it, I didn't want to be associated with it, it made me feel scared. I did not feel like a cis woman, but I didn't really feel like a man either. Hence why I had been using the word nonbinary, but even that has started making me feel bad lately. Something is wrong and I am trying to find it out.

I might be very well a perisex AFAB woman for all I care. I am literally figuring this out. It has been just 24 hours I have found all this info. What I know for sure, was that my childhood and teenage years were vastly different from cis women around me. Both physically, mentally, spiritually and emotionally. I felt like I was only a guest or trespasser. Something that belonged to nowhere. And I was severily bullied and pressured by my own family for this. I was told this was my fault, that I had no willpower to change it (my PCOS), that I "did not have a woman's soul in me, never the daughter she wanted", exact words coming out of the mouth of my mother. Could this all be perisex cis woman's trauma and her struggle with patriarchial gender roles? That is what I thought as well, for years. I even denied myself the word nonbinary, because I thought I was faking it. Still to this day, I am my own worst enemy, but gradually getting softer with myself. I am filled with contradictionary labels, I feel like a minority within minority within minority.

I would love for you to tell me what I am. Thank you for your concern.

If there are any "actual trans women who are intersex" seeing this post, I would be glad to hear your thoughts. Help me.

[intersex-questions]

Hi! We have DID and one of our alters feels like intersex best describes them, but they worry it might be offensive due to the body being perisex, them not having an actual physical body, and their memories of being born that way and their difficulties growing up didn't ACTUALLY happen, and are likely inaccurate compared to the reality of intersex people. If it IS offensive, do you have advice on where to start on looking for another term for them?

I mean, it's whatever you all feel most comfortable with, but an alter can have traits that the body does not have such as being of a different age, gender, race, sexuality, mental conditions, and more. An alter can still be intersex in the headspace or their own understanding of themself, as long as that alter or any alters with this experience aren't claiming that the body is intersex, speaking over people with intersex bodies, etc. It's a nuanced situation of course, but again, alters can (and usually do) have traits that are different than the body. I personally don't think it's offensive for that alter to call themself intersex, but I can definitely understand those who would find it offensive or harmful. I would just be careful around the topic. Like, I think the alter themself can call themself intersex to describe their life, but the body isn't and it isn't the same as someone who has an intersex body. I think a lot of people might disagree with me on this. I don't really have any strong opinions.

I'd also look into the term altersex and terms that fall under that umbrella. Maybe there are systems who have experienced this that have coined terms related?

[syscourse-shmiscourse]

Absolutely insane to me that Sophie prefers the generative AI that tells her she's right over the actual Asian and Intersex people telling her that her mindsets are actively harming them.

What's even more insane is watching her fall right into the right-wing mindsets she hates so fucking much. Pot meet kettle, you've become what you hate.

As we all theorized.

[sysboxes]

[Text: This system is bodily intersex.]

We already have This user is intersex.

[rise-with-dawn]

Figuring out you're intersex later on in life is such a weird experience that no one prepares you for

I'm only 20, but I never even suspected I could be intersex until recently. I didn't have surgery as a baby, I wasn't put on hormones as a kid/teen, nothing obviously gave it away. The signs were there, but nobody taught me to look for them

I wasn't taught about intersex people, or their struggles. I wasn't taught about their hormones, bodies, unwanted surgeries. I wasn't taught that having heavy/painful/unregulated periods wasn't normal, that light facial hair wasn't normal, that thick and dark arm hair (for me) wasn't normal, that elevated testosterone levels weren't normal. I wasn't taught that my genitals growing wasn't normal

If I had been taught more about intersex people, their struggles, their bodies, maybe I would've learned I was intersex sooner. I don't know if anything would've changed, but I would've liked to know

[broken-dollhouse]

No dividers bc Idk

ANyways! We did wanna slightly talk abt something we see

Note ; this isn't an attack on anyone , don't treat it as one. I also ask if you do reply not to be a dick , seriously its not worth it and won't change anything.

& yes we know other intersex systems don't care but we very much do , esp bc of our own lived experiences.

So we've seen a bit abt this 'intersex innerworld but perisex bodily'

which , as an intersex system [bodily] is something that makes us wildly uncomfortable , you are not intersex innerworld unless you are also bodily intersex. You are born intersex , you cannot just id as it unless you are [eg. someone born with an intersex condition can id as intersex as they are but someone without cannot as they do not have said condition]

We are mildly begging yall to use altersex or any other term but intersex. Like alters cannot have a disorder the body doesn't , an alter can't be intersex unless the body is , or hell an alter cannot be a different ethnicity from the body [eg. an alter in an Irish system , is Irish regardless of how they present]

& before anyone tries to tell us 'its the only word i'm comfortable with' , I don't care personally bc Intersex isn't simply 'bc you're comfortable with it' [unless you are bodily intersex] , its something that for so many people is extremely traumatizing and also not something they can simply just choose to be on a whim

I am aware of system complexities , but the brain can only technically create what it knows [hence why even if an alter presents with a disorder , unless the body has it , the alter does not. Those traits can be gotten elsewhere such as other disorders or being around someone with said disorder if I can remember correctly] , basically meaning the brain cannot create an "intersex alter" in a perisex body without pulling from stereotypes / assumptions , 9 times out of 10

I hope this makes sense , we've just seen it a handful of times now and it does make us rather uncomfortable as a system who has a lot of trauma around being Intersex

[crossroads-system]

I've already made a post talking about wanting to build community with other Indigenous systems but we'd also love to meet other Intersex systems.

Being Intersex has definitely had influence on our system in ways we don't think alot of perisex systems may understand. If you're a system and also Intersex feel free to shoot us a DM or ask!

[ratbastarddotfuck]

really not sure when it happened or why but personally I'm pissed that the queer community at large seems to have given up ground on the "people with penises/vulvas/testes/ovaries" language to sex & gender essentialists in exchange for the much less precise, much more demeaning "AGAB" language.

is it because you're scared of the word vulva? of acknowledging out loud that some people have penises? of recognising that many many people, including but certainly not limited to trans people, have mixed sex characteristics that cannot be accurately summarised by "afab/amab" as shorthand for "female/male"?

"in [GENITAL RELATED] situation AFABs will need to do X and AMABs will need to do Y" there are "afabs" with penises and "amabs" with vulvas. Saying this shit makes you look so unserious & honestly transphobic (given the ongoing erasure of post-op trans people within broader community). Intersex people and GRS have both existed for long enough (fucking forever and, decades, respectively) that we should well past making this basic fucking mistake.

quit referring to people by a vague & often violent event that happened at their birth as though it defines ANYTHING about how they & their body currently operate, and start using precise language so you at least look like you know what you're fucking talking about.

[staticflavourlessbuzz]

About us

About the Chaoticlimes system

We are a system of 16, we are intersex, autistic, neurodivergent, spoonie, disabled, have to deal with chronical illness and chronic pain, do spoon and fork theory (won't list all)

If you want to learn more about us you could try to interact with us and even become a friend if you’d like

Our collective name is Limez

Collectively we are T4T, daisy gay, abrosys, trans, transneu, transmasc, systemfluid, genderqueer

We have a lot of interests and hobbies, some like other hobbies more than the others, we also have things we dislike or even hate

Please keep us out of discourse, thanks

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Please, understand that we are a nonhuman heavy system and have a lot of anger holders, we're not doing this for attention /gen

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Alters

Denny (human)

Pepper (nonhuman)

Rick (nonhuman)

Luca (nonhuman)

Jevil (fictive)

Spamton (fictive)

Yosh (nonhuman)

Tash (nonhuman)

Stocks (fictive)

Minmin (nonhuman)

Mia (introject, nonhuman)

May (human)

Nacho (nonhuman)

Razch (nonhuman)

Zwapz (fictive)

Razz (fictive)

Bon (fictive, nonhuman)

Ghoulie (fictive)

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Small about us

(Copypaste from carrd)

We are the Chaoticlimes system, we formed around 2004, Denny found out that they were a system at a young age though didn’t know what it was or if there was a word for it, we have been slowly getting to learn each other

Our collective name is Limez

We are a system of 15, we are intersex, autistic, neurodivergent, disabled, chronically ill, chronic pain warrior and we do spoon and fork theory

Collectively we are T4T, daisy gay, abrosys, trans, transneu, transmasc, systemfluid, genderqueer

We are also relationship anarchist, queer anarchist, voidpunk, genderpunk, kinpunk, feralpunk, rabiespunk, pluralpunk, amatopunk and queerpunk

We have a lot of interests and hobbies, some like other hobbies more than the others, we also have things we dislike or even hate

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[starstruckpurple]

What the heck... Last night I learned PCOS is an intersex variation. Tbh, this was not a new info for me, first time I just brushed it off to "meh, I am not intersex, I am a woman (with some nonbinary spice on top)" (I know, I know. It was bad to say). This was me in the beginning of this year. Fast forward to now, I am having second thoughts about myself.

The only way to make sense of this, for me, is being completely honest. I have been diagnosed with PCOS for about a decade now. I have bad memory issues stemming from a childhood filled with dissociation (and I think I am plural but more on that later), so I don't really recall how growing up was like for me, apart from a few core memories. I was your typical "I am not like other girls, they are so interested in makeup and clothes and boys" (mind you this was back in...2010s). I took pride in the fact that I was different from them, which gradually turned to shame due to not being like them. When my PCOS symptoms appeared (especially excessive hair and lack of periods), I, already being a fat and not conventionally attractive, neurodivergent child, started feeling alienated from everyone around me (which were mostly girls). My family pressured me into conforming to their versions of femininity (shaving, wearing certain clothes, wanting me to lose weight, stick to gender roles, etc). Not to mention the bullying I got from my older brother for years. That really affected my self-esteem and body image. I started to feel like a failed woman. So I thought, why not embrace this? I was already in-between a man and a woman. Not woman enough, not man enough. I had a transmasc phase, and I love transmasc people, but their experiences, although quite familiar to me, didn't really capture what I felt and went through. I don't want to disrespect anyone's experiences in any way. In the end I settled for the term nonbinary. I still feel a connection to it, on the basis that if I was born as opposite sex (these terms might be offensive, I apologise, I am still learning about all this), I would still feel some sort of gender dysphoria.

For the last six months especially, but also for a while before that, I have been slowly embracing femininity. All this time, I felt like going through a PCOS puberty stole a certain, queer femininity from me. This might not make sense to some people... But I know that some people here on this tag might relate to it... Because I did relate when I read all of your experiences. I saw how some people didn't think "AFAB"s can be transfem, I was AFAB. I thought I was. I didn't know why I felt closer to transfems, though. I didn't want to admit it because I felt like I didn't deserve to "invade" their space... Even now, I am still hesistant. Just because some doctor assigned me as xyz, doesn't really mean my individual experience with xyz will mirror that, right?

I have been realizing, all too suddenly, I have so many contradictionary labels. This apparently pisses some people off, because words have meanings yada yada, but my experience is real and valid. It stole so much from me, so many experiences that I have never had. It left me with bunch of other stuff that I learned to use for some sort of survival... I don't know what I am talking about really... This will take a while to process. Kinda scary and I feel alone, sometimes.

[turtleblogatlast]

Leo learns something about himself 🏳️‍⚧️

Based roughly on this old post.

Bonus:

[Leo is taking the fact that he was born biologically female simultaneously very well and also not so well but overall he’s mostly coping with the fact that it was Draxum that just essentially gave him the turtle equivalent of ‘The Talk’.]

[intersexbunny]

ASAB is so often used to neglect chronically ill people seeking a diagnosis. it hurts intersex and perisex people alike.

we need to get rid of the sex binary for so many reasons and disabled liberation is one of them.

lupus is a disorder with a ratio of 9:1 people who were AFAB to people who were AMAB. it is a disorder that is wildly dominated by people who were AFAB.

doctors often treat lupus as a "women's disease" and when they're not treating it as a "women's disease" they're treating it as an "AFAB disease." there is no room in the system for intersex people (no statistics on our prevalence in the lupus population) and no room for people who were AMAB (despite them being 10% of people with lupus) the biology of trans people, particularly those who have medically transitioned, is of course not taken into account.

this leads to neglect of people who were AMAB, intersex people, and trans people (particularly transfeminine but not exclusively) who have a dangerous, often life threatening autoimmune disease. doctors don't bother looking because "how could you have it? you don't fit this narrow presentation of lupus that I created in my head." people have died from this. lupus kills, especially when left untreated.

abolishing the sex binary would largely fix this problem.

the reason so many people who were AFAB have lupus is because of estradiol. (read more about why here) estradiol is a major determining factor in who develops lupus and who doesn't. it's the theorized reason for the sex disparity. .... but people who were AFAB aren't the only people with estrogen-dominant endocrine systems, and not all people who were AFAB have estrogen-dominant endocrine systems. you can develop lupus with a testosterone-dominant endocrine system but it is far less common.

so why do doctors look at ASAB instead of that actual cause, estradiol? (rhetorical question but the answer is transphobia and intersexism)

sex abolition says that in replacement of overarching categories of sex we instead identify individual traits. lupus is one example of thousands where focusing on a specific trait rather than a sex would actually be more helpful in narrowing down diagnoses.

intersex and trans people will continue to have their diagnoses missed until we abolish the sex binary and replace it with something more useful. there is no disabled liberation without intersex liberation.

[yourfaveisintersex]

Perry the Platypus from Phineas and Ferb is canonically intersex-coded! In his source it's been shown he can both sweat milk and has venomous spurs on his heels, which are traits associated with female & male platypuses respectively.

Requested by @saros-system

[broken-dollhouse]

Wanted to do something simple, its just a simple way to introduce ourselves & we plan to add this to our pinned once we figure out how we want to format it

If you cannot read our hand writing I am so sorry </3 [we did add alt text regardless]

To just try and explain some things; we wrote Celtic as we're only sure of Irish + Scottish , we also added misc as we are a big mixed bag of backgrounds which while we want to connect with most we absolutely wouldn't be able to & while we did cover the face, we do have a beard its just a bit scraggly bc we shave it. If anyone needs it 165cm is around 5.5ft :]. Apathetic but opinionated just relates to a lot of our stances [syscourse apathetic but anti endo for example]

If anythings weird its currently 5am for us and we started this around, 2am or so

[rainbowpopeworld]

(Quote from David Tennant is from this video and the photo is from Staged)

[1nky-quill]

Everyone’s reminder that the American school system is intersexist as fuck.

They try to be inclusive to trans people by saying ‘only sex is binary, gender isn’t!!’ Which simply isn’t true. Neither are binary.

I’m so disappointed in how intersex people are completely erased from conversations about sex.

In my sex ed unit last year, intersex people were completely left out of the conversation. Intersex people deserve to be able to be safe with their bodies just as much as anybody else does. Same thing when learning about sex characteristics in 8th grade science. The teacher said “there is only two sexes, male and female, XY and XX” which literally isn’t true??? Someone asked her if different chromosome types were possible and she said no. Genuinely how are you a science teacher.

Stop excluding intersex people from conversations about sexual health.