#the dumbest discourse

[lockley-spktr]

I think the discourse surrounding Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm is extremely weird and mean. No one cares if you find him attractive or not. And if you think the only thing to his character is being conventionally attractive and a womanizer I hate to break it to you, but you don't truly know or care about his character at all.

“No hate to Joseph Quinn, but I think he won’t be a good Johnny Storm because I think he's ugly.” Do you hear yourselves or…?

Some of you are way too comfortable being mean and annoying online and you need to be called out more.

[tevanbuckley]

in general idgaf about whatever kinky fics bddies are cooking up, frankly I’d rather they spend their time doing that than 99% of the shit they get up to. the worst I’ll call it is weird and in poor taste.

I just think the fact that like, two stills, of buck with a dog managed to turn into “eddie needs to lead buck around on a leash like a dog,” sort of puts a hole in the argument that bddies are all morally pure, wholesome warriors for queer rep who care not for the temptations of the flesh (unlike those evil bt fetishists who just want to see hot men kiss 😡).

no, clearly some of y’all want to imagine those men fucking nasty, and that’s fine, you just don’t then get to pearl clutch about how tommy is evil and his fans are perverts because of what? a daddy joke that was tame enough for 8pm on a Thursday? A silly little flirty comment involving birthday hat cones?

and like i said when 8.01 aired, if you watched the “you’re a vision in a cone,” scene and your mind went straight to puppy play then that says more about you tbh, because who the fuck even makes that connection?

[shadowrosegarden]

Rujinu is probably as tame as you can get for an enemies to lovers ship and yet some people still have a problem with them

[chronicsyd]

honestly, I find it funny that the tiktok side of the Arcane fandom doesn't really know what "toxic" means because they'll scream about Caitvi until a ship like Caitbessa enters the ring and suddenly they're gasping and clutching their pearls

like guys I thought you were Wanting to talk about toxicity. What? Can't handle it when an Actual toxic relationship is brought up?

because I think my Hottest take is that Caitvi isn't as "toxic" as people like to claim that it is. oh it for Sure has it's problems, but honestly All of the big four (Caitvi, Jayvik, Meljay, Timebomb) have issues; that's really the whole Point of them, they're aren't frolicking in fields because No relationship is like that. (not to mention the Hypocrisy of Timebomb fans who will Bitch about Caitlyn hitting Vi with the gun and then Act like Timebomb have No issues whatsoever. "Well I've never hit my SO! that's not ok!" well I sure as hell Hope Not! I ALSO hope you've never Gleefully killed people that you're SO cares about while working under a Kingpin either. like these conversations with Jinx glazers are downright Stupid and y'all are Really starting to piss me off) ("But Timebomb doesn't have issues in Ep7!" oh you mean the AU where EVERYTHING in the plot changes so that Timebomb can even happen and be Relatively happy? THAT AU? like god Shut Up)

(and I'm gonna piss off All the Jinx glazers but it really Is Jinx's fault that Caitvi's relationship takes the downward spiral that it does in Act 1 of S2. yeah, we can throw Ambessa into the mix but really she just takes advantage of the situation that Jinx had already thrown into motion; if Jinx had left Caitlyn the hell alone after Ep7 (as in didn't kidnap her, the entire tea party scene didn't happen, and she didn't yk Kill her damned Mom) then Caitlyn would have been Relatively ok (like yea, being blown up twice and shot at is traumatic but doesn't really hold a candle to those other things). because what Caitlyn does in S2 is reactionary to how Jinx treated her back in S1)

and I've seen a lot of people bitch that "Caitlyn never gave Jinx a 'proper apology'" and I'm gonna say that Jinx didn't give Caitlyn one Either. because "I didn't know you're mom was there" was a sort of explanation/apology for killing her mom at Best but there was Nada about targeting her on Multiple occasions, Zip about kidnapping her butt ass naked from her own home, Zero about holding her hostage where god only Knows what happened during That, and Nothing about the Entirety of the tea party situation. like they were basically on a "we're even now" thing and I think Jinx is lucky that Caitlyn let her go at all (even if it really was for Vi's sake than anything else because Caitlyn knows how Deeply Vi cares about the ones that she loves)

Not to mention that to Caitbessa people will say the Dumbest shit like "Caitlyn's a 25 year old minor!" THAT'S NOT A FUCKING THING. like it's Definitely one of the more bizarre thing's I've shipped but as I mentioned in a post back in like November they don't fully play into the "surrogate family" thing that Silco and Jinx do which is why shipping Them feels weirder (we can also talk about how Silco found Jinx when she was like 11 and practically Raised her for 7 years meanwhile Caitlyn met Ambessa as an adult and she was more of a mentor than a mother to her and that only lasted 6 months And I mentioned that we really only saw the "surrogate" thing coming from Ambessa than anything else but besides the point) the Point is that comparing Caitbessa to Jilco is weird, doesn't make sense, and isn't "pdfilic" in the way that people over on tiktok claim that it is.

[menlove]

there are people on here who reblog from terfs, do not have their pronouns in their bio, constantly post Carefully Worded takes about feminism that would fit right in on a terf's blog if they were 5% more transparent, and they'll still have a huge following including trans people bc they get the benefit of the doubt and asks like "did u mean to reblog from a terf queen 🥺" and yk what i am sickkkkk to bastard death of it. kys.

[greensaplinggrace]

honestly ship what you want and everything, but i lose all respect for incest shippers the moment they start spouting on about how "these characters would only do this for each other if they had romantic feelings!!" like literally never is that the fucking case. no act of love in the universe is inherently romantic.

[mad-not-disappointed]

so for those of you who don't know this song (which.. i'm pretty sure everyone knows it atp but anyway) it's a lyric from Chappell Roan's ‘Good Luck Babe’. it's a sapphic song about two women who fall in love, but one of them is still in denial about their sexuality and ends up marrying a man. the lyric quoted in this post very specifically refers to the act of trying to repress one's romantic feelings.

so i guess catra stans can ignore catra's trauma when it's convenient for them because did they forget that she opened the portal because shadow weaver chose adora over her? did they forget that all of this stemmed from the way shadow weaver abused adora and catra?

this is not the first time i've seen stans trying to make the whole portal sequence a romantic thing, as if catra didn't straight up say “i'd rather see the world end than let you win”. and also spent the better part of the episode gaslighting, victim blaming, guilt tripping and physically abusing adora. how romantic.

[utilitycaster]

I really do dunk on villain stans a lot but the thing is like. I genuinely do not care on any sort of moral level if you love a villain, or villains generally. They are pretend. The murder and the war crimes aren't real. Do whatever.

The issue is that like, this is a person the narrative is telling you to root against, and that it's okay because they are pretend. That doesn't mean they can't have sympathetic qualities but it does mean that as a rule the story is telling you "hey, here are the heroes who oppose this person, cheer for them" and also "you should boo and hiss when this motherfucker comes on stage" and a lot of people who like villains will look at everyone else and go "why the FUCK are you booing and hissing don't you see they have TRAUMA" instead of acknowledging the big "TIME TO BOO AND HISS" signs being thrown out by the story and saying "bring it on."

And I suppose you can argue that this is an overly simplistic way of looking at it, but if we're dealing with a story with at least some reasonably clearly delineated heroes and villains you're not intelligent for trying to pretend it's more complicated than it is. I'm not talking about the gray areas of antagonist who could be persuaded otherwise, nor antihero but straight up "this is the bad guy, we all but have arrows pointing at them saying it". Like, really, a lot of people who stan villains don't seem to do it for the love of the game, which I would respect, but because of a sour grapes situation with the heroes, or because they're in their edgy "subversion automatically means you're the smarter one" phase.

Anyway my point is I don't care if you woobify a villain for any sort of moral reasons but I do think that if you do so, you're a coward and not terribly good at understanding stories. I also don't care from any sort of moral standpoint if you enthusiastically cheer on the villain, but if you act confused or mad that most people aren't with you on that, I think you're an idiot and not terribly good at understanding stories.

[reactivenotactive]

why do you only accept requests for shiftingquiet ??? ship and let ship idk why you care about proshipping so muxh its fiction

Okay well… that’s kinda rude. I only accept requests for shiftingquiet because I personally only like drawing canon or canon adjacent stuff when it comes to ships. Not because I think other STP ships are proships? Just because I’d rather not interact with proshippers doesn’t mean I think any ship besides shiftingquiet is weird, I just don’t indulge anything else. I’m totally chill with other STP ships :P

As for why I don’t like proshippers interacting with my blog (which is a whole ass different question) I just think being supportive/neutral about darkshipping is weird. And yes, I do know that just because one uses the proshipper label it doesn’t automatically equate to darkshipping, some use it to mean anti-harassment, but I also disagree with that.

Fundamentally I do not agree with the concept of ‘just block and move on’ because choosing inaction is still a choice. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to want to bring attention to members of a community that do weird shit so that others can avoid them. Shouldn’t that be reason enough? No, it probably wont be satisfactory for you given you felt the need to send this into my requests when I specifically asked for people to not do that. If you want my extended reasoning, it’s below the cut.

If you want to get into the complicated topic of ‘does fiction affect reality’ then I will oblige, and I do think it’s a little more nuanced than people give it credit for, but ultimately I come to the same conclusion there too.

I will ask you one thing. Do you get sad when a character you like dies? Do you feel happy when your favorite character accomplishes something? Is that not fiction affecting reality in some way? It’s not a 1 to 1 transfer, but obviously there is correlation. It’s silly to pretend there isn’t.

Fiction doesn’t exist in a vacuum—all art is political—and all fictional content by extension is influenced by real world existence and the experiences of people who write and consume it. People use fiction to get across their opinions, to bring attention to real issues, to create allegories correlating to irl things! If fiction didn’t affect reality in any way, propaganda would not work, and the advertising industry wouldn’t exist.

If one is attracted to that kind of stuff in fiction what makes it different than being attracted to the actual thing? It’s not ‘real’ per se, but they are still depictions of certain socially unacceptable things that are romanticized. Which I find very… strange.

Saying it’s different is like saying something akin to ‘I’m not jerking off to feet, I’m jerking off to a DRAWING of feet! It’s just a drawing. I don’t have a foot fetish.’ So what makes, say, the fetishization of fictional incest different?

Now onto the ‘censorship’ topic before someone inevitably asks me about that, too. I’m not against portraying incest/pedophilia in fiction as long as it is actually critiqued properly, and with tact. Most darkship content is not doing that. For example people usually bring up the book lolita, but that book was criticizing pedophilla, and portraying it as a wrong thing, it was not an endorsement of it!

And where is all this objection to censorship when it comes to actual authors and journalists being censored? Why do proshippers only care about people who rightfully find their 1k word one-shot on Ao3 about loli smut weird? Why don’t they bring that same energy to real world book banning? Censorship is a tactic used by people in places of power and by governments. A random ass teenager on the internet isn't infringing upon your rights to free speech by blocking and saying that they’re uncomfortable with darkshipping.

If we can say that media can be racist/homophobic/transphobic/ableist (E.g. depictions of harmful caricatures, stereotyping, tropes like the disposable black girlfriend, or having the gay character always die first, or infantilizing an autistic character.) and that it is a BAD thing, what’s the difference when it comes to romanticized portrayals of incest/pedophilia? Why is it when it comes to that topic now its ‘ship and let ship!’ suddenly?

Is it because you actually care about anti-censorship, the nuance behind fiction affecting reality, and creating ‘complex’ relationship dynamics, or do you just want an excuse to be a weirdo under the guise of moral superiority?

Now heres were I might come off as a bit of an asshole, but you cannot be serious coming to MY blog and asking why I want to curate MY content a specific way? Really? There are like a bajillion other people you can interact with.

I don’t like engaging in this stupid ass tired discourse—I’m working on more important things right now since I’m attending college in like a month and I have better things to do than argue about whether proshipping or antishipping is the most bestest.

If you're gonna make weird content just fucking own it and don’t be a pussy by pretending you’re doing it for some grander purpose. Also maybe don’t disrespect peoples boundaries by sending bullshit like this in their asks when it’s specifically stated that I don’t like interacting with proshippers.

+ fuck off its my blog I do what I want :D

[ahalliance]

you know how it would be fucking crazy to assume every american is white . can we stop assuming everyone of a european nationality is white as well . thanks that’d be awesome 👍

[earthmixsclowderofcats]

This being the first thing you see after the fadeout of an NC scene is So Funny to me

It's like "good job team"

Literally though why? Like. You can be a top daddy and still be in short shorts and a tank top. please. (Sidenote, again, I still think it's really interesting how this show uses these character dynamics in this swap setting. Like. To these two, It is still just Sun topping Nuea. Something they clearly both like and enjoy and are happy with. But the viewer sees Nuea topping Sun, which is a rose reversal we rarely if ever see in bl. )

And clearly Nuea agrees.

so while they're happy with their arrangement the way it is, they both seem open to experimenting and changing how they express themselves. Which is just a very healthy way of approaching sexuality.

Notably, this isn't saying that what they had or did before was bad. Clearly they both love each other and their physical relationship very much. But it is saying that sometimes learning new things about yourself can be good too. One isn't better or worse than the other.

It's about communication and openness and trust and love.

[cassierobinsons]

i'm not familiar with your game but have you not finished spn? i hated jack for 2 seasons straight but it was cas in s15 who made me accept jack into my heart. it was a hard long road to get there but there'd always be a character i could relate to with my feelings towards jack, even when they were negative. that made it easier, it made me feel vindicated

no I have not 🫣 I hate Andrew dabb and doubt I will ever finish the show before like 2027 🫣🫣🫣 but who knows, maybe I'll undergo the same character arc as you did!

[queenofnots]

Remember when tumblr was like "altering clothes from goodwill is problematic".

[pinkdean]

i think some of you are just deeply bad at analyzing media bc wtf do you mean "dean isn't blue collar" do you think when he puts on a suit and lies about working for the FBI that makes him white collar???? bffr

[kokodain-nation]

Varesa's not real.

[atthebell]

roier and foolish have got to make bluesky accounts for the people