#vocaloid discourse

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Submission 474

vocaloids (and all similar non-Yamaha-owned vocal synths) are bad. all of them.

It's a mockery of the human voice. Frye from Splatoon 3 of all things is the closest we will ever get to having any interesting vocal technique in a voice synth bank. Singing styles around the world are so interesting and take so much skill and you abandon them for a glorified MIDI file? I also blame them for the rise of AI-generated covers, because they first started the devaluing of the human voice and the usage of it as an instrument - a really boring one that will never know advanced or diverse technique. Congrats, Miku made Minecraft, now all of SpongeBob has sang Billie Jean by Michael Jackson. At least the SpongeBob characters have distinct and interesting voices.

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hello. vocaloid take submitter here.

i didn't expect my submission to gain as much traction as it did, i thought it was lukewarm at best. i thought there were more vocaloid haters out there. this is tumblr, though, so i guess not. still think vocaloid is ass though.

i will say, it might add context to my take that i myself am a singer and have natural perfect pitch. while i haven't sang in any professional capacity, i've still done some voice training and lots of lower level performances. i have very strong feelings about singing, and hold what the human voice can do in high regard.

i also have a better ear for picking up smaller things in the human voice (re: natural perfect pitch) and the difference between humans and vocaloid is extremely striking to me. no amount of tuning can make a vocaloid not sound lifeless to me, because i will never, ever hear a human voice, and instead of letting the lead of the song Not Be Vocals - which has never been a novel concept - they HAVE to put the voice bank in.

also, re: "frye isn't a voice bank dumbass", congrats! you took away something i felt was actually interesting! god i wish more people knew about more singing styles that they couldn't easily replicate!

while now i know that AI voices are not a continuation of vocaloid, sorry, still think it's bad, go to hell and learn to compose a song without lyrics.

also - still the vocaloid take submitter - to continue:

i will eventually send a link to a playlist of all of the Vocaloid songs i have ever listened to, because i am sure most of the people who think i submitted that think that i do not even know what Defoko is, or that i've heard exactly two Hatsune Miku songs. i know what Defoko is. i know she's entirely computer generated. i've listened to her voice. i still think it's bad. have any of you big shots heard of Big Al? i've listened to him. also bad. it's bad.

Submission 111

I think chicken breast is disgusting and I would rather blend it up into a shake than eat it with my teeth

It’s fast, it’s efficient, it’s nutritious if you add fruits and vegetables. It’s easy to prepare and you can drink it on the go. I need the protein but chicken breast tastes disgusting either way, and I’m tired of putting in so much effort to make the joyless rubbery meat taste good.

My friends and family are wrong, this is the future.

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https://www.tumblr.com/kicksagain/775137080434147328/i-really-cant-put-into-words-how-annoying-it-is-to?source=share

me when I can't do even a single Google search to find out Yuki's vp was around 11 at the time of production and maybe a song that's using a real life kids voice in a sexual manner isn't the best

Nobody cares that the vb is 9 because people age vocaloids up all the time like in the song, which is fine, if it wasn't for the voice being of a fucking child. Jesussss nobody gives a shit abt vb ages it matters abt the vps age at time of recording

i just wanna refer to this part of @marxist-otomachiuna's post in response to this, despite the fact that i think you people are insidious and do nothing but argue in bad faith.

The issue with minors singing sexual songs (explicit or implicit) is that it can affect their reputation and involves them in a mature production environment that they are not yet ready for (I would argue that most production environment, which is labor, is something children are not ready for and should not be involved in at all but that's a different topic). With a product like a voicebank though, especially in which the provider is anonymous, this has neither effect. The provider is protected by both anonymity and mascot effect, and is not involved in the production.

you are also operating under the assumption that i didn't know that the voice provider was a child at the time of recording. you are also saying that "nobody cares that the vb is 9" when that is the main argument going around regarding the discourse to begin with. if this were true, also, then people wouldn't have lost their shit about rabbit hole miku, and dogpiled onto cast for their sexual depiction of miku there. if the age of the voice bank really didn't matter to the majority of people like you're claiming, then surely that wouldn't have happened. but like i said, all you're interested in is arguing in bad faith and i'm not super interested tbh

[cringelordofchaos]

rats laying eggs. blended chicken wings. cars eating their drivers. moles that certainly pique my interest. . i cherish this website

[caffeinated-chaos-bean]

Reblogging because the new, delulu fans always need a reminder. uwu

You can have a 16yr old Miku.

You can have a 31 year old Teto.

You can have a 25 year old Rin or Len.

You can have a 60 year old Luka.

Vocaloids and how they are depicted is up to the user, the one utilizing the PROGRAM THAT THEY ARE and is not defined by right or wrong. They can be whatever age you want, with the exceptions of vocaloids who were VOICED by literal children such as Kaai Yuki.

Just because it doesn't align with what YOU believe in doesn't make it wrong.

I'm gonna end up making ages for my own vocaloid headcanons soon and will release them. Fight me if you say I'm wrong when that goes up. ewe

Low-key wish you could just draw wholesome stuff between these two characters but you want to draw the sixteen year old feeling up the almost naked fourteen year old but who cares I know you don’t keep doing what you’re doing who cares anymore.

anon with all due respect, fuck off

[terristre]

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[quisynth]

friendly reminder that it's literally not even canon rin and len are siblings! they're canonically mirror images, as confirmed by Wat during the production of their APPEND voicebanks.

however, make them out to be whoever you want! canon is a suggestion, not strict rules! :3

[project-sekai-facts]

i think the reason why rui and nene don't have a cover together yet is because they're scared of harassment. machico received LOTS of hate for nijiro stories because it was a christmas song (christmas is deemed as a romantic holiday in japan) and the only OCs singing it were rui and nene. they had to deactivate comments for a bit on the 2DMV because of the criticisms received.

to be fair. nijiiro stories is a four year old song they could have easily given rui and nene a not romantic song or a song that doesn't drop at christmas in that time span. like goodbye sengen.

[system-of-a-feather]

I think there is a lot of an issue with gatekeeping and term policing around terms expressing an individual's ability to use certain words around verbality and a lot of implied hierarchy of speaking-issues needs within the CDD community particularly. I fully understand the issues with verbal and semi-verbal people taking up the space and making it hard to find resources for non-verbal people; but I do think rhetoric, method of discussion, discourse, and advocacy has more or less created this pressure of "are you speaking-impaired enough" and "my struggle is real and yours is 'just' a trauma side effect" sort of underlying subtext in how a lot of these discussions are handled.

I think the discussion on the usage of words like non-verbal and semi-verbal is incredibly important, especially for a community that is so frequently Literally Talked Over; but I also think we need to be mindful of not making this into something invalidating of systems and parts that have significant speaking issues.

Yes it is different to be a part that can not speak with parts that can speak than it is to be a person who can never speak no matter what.

Yes those experiences are absolutely different, but parts who can not speak in a system / whole that can still have significant struggles and experiences in life that can be shared with individuals with speaking issues / non-verbal and semi-verbal individuals.

Those parts are not immune from experiencing discrimination in a verbal and speaking world and treating parts that are not able to speak in a system that is like "verbal people choosing to be unable to speak" or "verbal people with no idea what it is like to have significant issues speaking" is both very invalidating and not productive to the discussion of challenges individual who are unreliably-speaking and have speaking issues face in a largely verbal society.

I personally don't care too much about the verbage itself nor do I really know my place in the discussion, particularly in the imposed hierarchy as a system with parts that can speak, but with a large majority of our parts that are unable to speak and/or have signficiant speaking issues + Language Processing Disorder + Autism.

I was just expressing the challenges I as a part have with being motivated to allow people to perceive me and for me, as a part, to attend therapy is the expectation to be verbal and the immediate judgement that people make and assume when I can't speak. Me and our side system's experience of navigating a world that expects us to speak is not the experiences of a fully verbal individual.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I think we should stop talking about verbality in relation to CDD systems as a "verbal vs not verbal" and more as a spectrum of individuals with speaking issues and I also think we should stop minimizing the struggles of individuals with selective mutism and/or treating those individuals like they are "basically verbal."

[werewolf-cuddles]

In current year 2025 theres still miku age drama lingering after that fujoshi song came out a while ago

Discourse around Miku's age is inherently stupid, because there are so many vastly different interpretations of Miku that holding up the "official" age as "canon" as if everybody sticks rigidly to it is absolutely asinine.

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Submission 474

vocaloids (and all similar non-Yamaha-owned vocal synths) are bad. all of them.

It's a mockery of the human voice. Frye from Splatoon 3 of all things is the closest we will ever get to having any interesting vocal technique in a voice synth bank. Singing styles around the world are so interesting and take so much skill and you abandon them for a glorified MIDI file? I also blame them for the rise of AI-generated covers, because they first started the devaluing of the human voice and the usage of it as an instrument - a really boring one that will never know advanced or diverse technique. Congrats, Miku made Minecraft, now all of SpongeBob has sang Billie Jean by Michael Jackson. At least the SpongeBob characters have distinct and interesting voices.

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[fagtainsparklez]

seeing people already complain about the sekai movie including the original characters and not just the vocaloids is so funny to me. girl it’s the project sekai movie. that’s like showing up to kingdom hearts land and asking why the hell sora’s here and not just mickey mouse. what are you talking about

[tamathena]

This idea I keep seeing in communities where anyone critical of or doesn't like something happening in a fandom or community space or piece of media "must be new here" or are "tourists" is actually super toxic and really only shows how homogenous some people think their communities are.

People disagreeing with you or even the majority of the community or community space doesn't make them new or somehow lesser fans. I don't know why anyone should have to say that.

[hy4c1nthh]

need me more kaito and miku interaction right about now actually i think theyre the sibilings ever

[mochinomnoms]

Hey anon who saw your recent post here! I think you should look up the Zako song before making a post including the song as it left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not going to sway your opinion one way or the other but basically the song got deleted, and is under controversy for using a child's voice bank to sing the song (it had suggestive themes). Which isn't allowed under the use of that voice bank. It made alot of fans uncomfortable because of the use of the child's voice bank >_<.

oh i wasn't gonna make a post about the song anyways, i don't really listen or interact a whole lot with vocaloid stuff other that miku! that post was about the tsundere trope, though it's not my fav trope anyways

[urfavisaminor]

to the misinformed anon who said "Miku is a voicebank, she has no age." in this post https://www.tumblr.com/urfavisaminor/771983391744802816/miku-is-a-voicebank-she-has-no-age?source=share

ok so first of all if you search up "chibi miku" or "miku child" and "Miku 10 years old" u will clearly see many images of Miku as a child and it's not ok to say u luv/like miku even "aged up" version dats so weird💀 like you say "aged up" but ik you are thinking of child Miku 💀 infact I even see artists who draw miku 🌽(*0*n) and also draw chibi Miku in the past 3-5 years like its literally the same as if I started cannibalizing people and (TW F***Y MENTION!!!!!!) meowing in public subways 😭👎 stop committing crimes anon the FBI will catch u nd throw u in lifetime jail mark my words !!!!!!!!!!!

even when they say they "age up" Miku shes literally still a baby 💀😭 like I even see ppl drawing Miku with a head 🤮 did u know that dog embryos actually have heads??? like idk its just a little weird people like something with a head like are u saying ur a pro contact z** and pdf***??? 🤮 the internet makes these sick freaks way too comfortableh onestly its so sad :( and #2 didd u notice Miku is always under 8feet tall in drawing??? like imagine if YOU were 8ft tall... Miku would look like a child next to you like those people like children its so creepy 🤮

anon I hope u get help for ur playdough file eeeeeeya and get away from Miku (I can never look at m*k* the same after this... curse u other anon 🤮😭)

-🍀🌧 anon (OMG ty 🐜 queen I finally found someone sane on dis app.. cant believe other people normalize d*sgusting p//iranha//edo//📁a online like imagine if I told anon's boss that anon thought voicebanks were ageless... they'd get fired ASAP for sure 🤬😭)

THIS IS SO TRUEE!!!!!! so happy to see someone with nearly my equal smarts, wonderful ask, anon

MIKU IS A MINOR ALWAYS!!!!!!1!1!1!!!!11

[hatsunemikuisnotinnyourwifi]

HAPPY NEW YEARS !!!