#yaoi discourse

[treffys-thunder-thighs]

*drops this meme before running in the opposite direction like I’ve just detonated a bomb*

[nanasketchdump]

'Autonomy'

[imaginative-123]

The Yaoi Community is so ignorant to the issues other gay men faced from toxic yaoi fangirls

Warning: Minors do not retweet, interact or like my posts if I found out you're a minor you might get blocked.

Btw I'm not using f*joshi bec I found out it's a misogynistic term so I'll use Yaoi fangirls although the people using that term when it comes to criticism for Yaoi Fangirls may not realized it's a sexist term and I used that word before and not realizing it was sexist, just bec you may not seen a yaoi fangirl assaulting gay men for not having sex that doesn't excuse blind ignorance of sexual harassment gay men faced from yaoi fangirls. Also I'm not ignoring if there are other queer women who experienced being assaulted by men and I've seen other women who have issues with men in how they seen lesbians and I think they deserved better, also I used to consumed real life gay porn from websites in the past not until I found out recently that there are few stories of gay guys who tell their horrifying stories from the sex industry that includes a gay sex worker who was abused from his work and disliked Hazbin Hotel's depiction of SA and his thoughts on Poison, it just pisses me off that the Yaoi community will be ignorant to bad behaviors the community has been criticized for years by gay men who have valid criticisms so that they can defend themselves of using terms like Misogyny or the classic "You just hate women that can't enjoy BL!" When there's problematic behaviors in the community that's been a problem.

Yes the women who did this to him is Sexual Harassment, it's gross.

For the last comment there are guys I've seen who were also hated for fetishization, there are people having heated discussions on that from what I've seen.

Also this is the worst one bec this is really disgusting, an asian man was being helped by a man on his chest bec I believe this is related to injury from the Olympics and guess what the toxic yaoi fangirls make art and sexualized him. This is Online Sexual Harassment, this is distasteful to be honest, poor guy he deserved better.

This comment definitely surprised me

Hello?! Just bec there are certain men who did bad things to women that doesn't mean other women can do bad things to men, can we acknowledge that Sexual Harassments on both genders is bad?

This is all I have to post, I'm a Yaoi fangirl for all these years ever since I started as a teen, I used to have sh#tty views on men in the past during my Yaoi and Proshipper phase back then but as of growing up I'm starting to try and be open about the real issues in real life and I'm trying my best to be open and understanding as possible, and btw I'm no longer a Proshipper and I'm still a Yaoi fangirl but as someone who is part of the community, I can't just ignore the issues and normalization of bad behaviours and sexism of the community which is unfortunate it gives the Yaoi fangirls who don't participate in bad behaviours a bad name and it's sad bec there are times I feel ashamed of being a Yaoi fangirl, and what I'm hoping is that the Yaoi Community should call out bad behaviours instead of trying to act like being innocent all the time and did nothing wrong but also try to blame Misogyny as a defense card when people criticize their bad behaviors. Also Toxic Yaoi fangirls who participate in bad behaviours can be Misandrists themselves towards straight and gay men. Yes Misandry exists, stop trying to tell me it doesn't exist it's like saying Misogyny can't exist, Sexism in both genders can exist in Society.

The reason I brought up Hazbin Hotel bec I'm going to make a second post about Viv's sexist views on gay men since I've made a post on Helluva Boss and that second post on Hazbin will take time since I have college workload to do in Thesis and Foreign Language and Visual Effects. So if you're interested reading my analysis and criticisms of Viv's work here's the link.

[shmeas]

Some people are so annoying about shipping these days like

“Can’t two guys just be friends??!!”

Like?? No?? Not if I have any say in it.

[radpool]

I just think logan deserves to bottom after 200-ish years of being both touch-starved AND pigeonholed (so to speak lmao) as a strict dom top 🫡

(or so I imagine because cmon. who doesn't expect The Wolverine to be a dominant animal in bed?? give the man a break, wade is more than willing to step up to the plate and help logan catch up on all that time wasted not getting railed to within an inch of his immortal life 😜)

uncensored piece on bluesky (same username) 😘

[kiwisandpearls]

maybe I’m missing something but I’ve seen people complain how much hate curly x jimmy gets and it’s like…

why??? So many of you guys scream to the high heavens about how much you guys love toxic yaoi and yet some of you guys can’t even handled curly x jimmy??? The heck???

[kairithemang0]

Hate bitches that are like "if you like the toxic couple as fluffy you're being ooc and don't understand them" like shut UP I want to make the toxic couple fluffy because I THINK IT'S FUN!!! AND I WANT THEM TO BE HAPPY FOR 1000 WORDS! Now shut your trap and go chew on some stale white bread

[cardentist]

I love yuri memes, but at this point it feels like half the time the joke is just "romance between queer men is shallow and meaningless," and I'm being expected to laugh at it when I'm the butt of said joke

[fivetrench]

I hate the majority of dano!riddler fanart bc people always draw him as this microscopic toothpick twink like GOD. USE YOUR EYES. HE IS AT LEAST SIX FEET TALL AND OBVIOUSLY CHUBBY. HIS FACE IS ROUND. HES FUCKING HUGE. IF YOU MAKE HIM SHORTER THAN BRUCE AND LIKE 90 POUNDS IN YOUR “FANART” OF HIM I’M GOING TO BLOW UP YOUR HOUSE.

[imaginariumwanderer]

I'm probably biased in my negative view but....People who arrived for the ship after ep 7 just seem to be really allergic to the messy and 'unpleasant' (to them) parts of the ship, to the point where implementing the canonical unhealthy parts of the relationship makes the audience raise eyebrows and wonder where it came from (FROM CANON !!! IT CAME FROM CANON, WHAT DO YOU MEAN-). Unless you follow specific people who still remember the intricacies of the ship + how many layers this dynamic has, sdvn became an amalgamation of many popular mlm ships that are just people wishing to project what they like onto them; a sad sight

Ughhhhhhhhh I rlly don't want to complain since at the end of the day it's just fans having fun n doing what fandom is for, expanding on canon while adding their own flair into it. BUT buttt it get to a point..... Nowadays whenever I *do* look, I can barely find content that touched on half the complexity that make this ship so good in the first place. Don't get me wrong I love wholesome content of my ship as much as the next guy, I love fluff as much as angst!

About what you say about fans being allergic to the messy parts of the ship, I've seen some/ have talked to oomfies who complains about fans babying smilk n making vani more aggressive than he should be, up until the point where all their character traits have been switched. The majority are jokes like "haha what if pv is a mean fucker?" "what if smilk is a pathetic weak widdle baby?" but it has gotten so widespread that peps actually are treating it as their canon personalities. I'm guessing this is due to an attempt to make the ship "healthier"? It doesn't work for me, it just goes full circle but with the roles reversed. Till this day the majority of the fandom still believe truthless recluse is "evil" vanilla, even though he's just understandably withdraw n depressed after what he went through. I used to yell about this a lot in DMs and now I'll say this in public too RECLUSE IS A VICTIM trying to make him "equal" to smilk somehow is ignoring a large part of his character and I'll stand by that. #justiceforrecluse

"Sdvn became an amalgamation of many popular mlm ships that are just people wishing to project what they like onto them" yeahhh yeah, yup, again I know people are just having fun, I will never stop anyone from enjoying themselves. As someone who have shipped them since ep 2 I'm quite passionate about shadowvanilla you see... Both shadow milk+pure vanilla are such amazingly written characters, their dynamic is so important to me. I'm not pointing fingers but with the way some shippers treat these two... I wonder if they only like the shell of the characters and the content inside doesn't matter.

[swallowtail-ageha]

If maria had been a man gehrmaria would have been the most popular ship in the fandom and people would wax lyricals about how deep toxic doomed age gap wholesome yaoi it was

[one-sharki-boi]

"You can't ship unhealthy couples that's toxic!"

On the contrary, I have created false scenarios that they have gone through to heal and detoxify the pair, I have taken the ship and careened it so, that is the ship I sail

[musicalmoritz]

Very interesting to me that someone decided to critique me for offhandedly calling Mitsukou canon in the notes of a post about Mitsuba’s mischaracterization. It’s always those same exact people who accuse Mitsukou shippers of reducing Mitsuba to the ship. And yet when someone wants to talk about his actual character, they choose to ignore everything except the part that briefly mentions Mitsukou. But sure, Mitsukou shippers are the ones who don’t care about him

[momentomori24]

"It was just a few days fling" this, "relationships take longer to be meaningful" that--- it's never "but their relationship managed to flourish in an environment that discouraged that kind of bond". It's never "they still allowed themselves to vulnerable around each other in an environment where leaving yourself unguarded around the wrong person meant death." Wolfgrace shouldn't have happened BUT IT DID, and that's the point, the tragedy of it. Against all odds and expectations, they managed to craft something bittersweet and vulnerable in the nightmare they found themselves in, found themselves able to bond and care for each other in a way they haven't had the luxury to experience before setting foot on that train. And it's LITERALLY GRACE. She camps in her room, isolates herself from everybody, has had the closest run in with death out of anyone while being stuck with a bunch of people that have been given both motives and the means to kill her at any time-- yet she managed to put her trust in a man that has proven himself to her as dependable, choose to move in with him and was willing to be near him at her most defenceless, decided to sleep with him and went to hunt him down to get him to go to the tournament with her and was utterly distraught and grieving and heartbroken when she discovered his body. And ITS LITERALLY GRACE--

[azulasdefenseattorney]

Every time someone says that you can't ship a character with anyone else because they're already in a canon relationship, a piece of my soul is violently ripped from me

[kiwisandpearls]

See, the thing is toxic yaoi in ships such as Billford is ironic. Most of the community doesn't actually ship it, it's satire. Jimmy x Curly is straight up abusive, Jimmy out chest Curly while feeding him his meds atleast once. There's a clear difference.

”most of the community doesn’t ship it”

are you sure about that? I’m not much of a billford nor toxic yaoi shipper, but just looking at the billford and toxic yaoi tags, idk I think a lot of people do like billford and other toxic yaoi ships sincerely and not just as ‘satire’.

also yeah. Jimcurly is abusive. That’s kinda the biggest thing about toxic yaoi. That it isn’t exactly healthy. Your kinda proving my point, about how toxic yaoi is ok until the toxic part of the toxic yaoi is actually genuinely toxic and unhealthy.