cronchy-cryptid

[cronchy-cryptid]

ok yea idk why i did this LMAO but enjoy?

[cronchy-cryptid]

Do you ever think that the reason Mia aggressively dragged Feenie's ass to the hospital goes beyond saving Phoenix's life and that it was a desperate attempt to prevent anither client dieing at the behest of a mad woman that was responsible for her first client's death?

That she needed this one to pull through because if he didn't, she would have done effectively nothing in terms of preserving the quality and quanity of his life and arguably might bare some responsibility had he died as it was the intense trial that led both him and the former defendant to take such drastic measures?

That perhaps she holds that first trial as a deeply personal failure as a figure ment to protect and serve those who needed it the most and, god damn it, she's going to make sure that this one lives?

Because I do.

[cronchy-cryptid]

I'm taking a moral philosophy class and I can't stand deontologists.

They're a just bunch of kants.

[cronchy-cryptid]

Iris is an interesting one. If I may add to this, there were some rhetorical questions posed that I believe have very interesting answers.

The first one was What was stopping her from speaking out against the kidnapping plot when she might have believed Dahlia was dead?

I think it has everything to do with the pedestal she has accidently put Dahlia on due to thier familial connection.

You mentioned that the Iris dating Phoenix may have been the first selfish thing she does. I'd argue that this is not the case as her helping Dahlia's plot was the first self-serving thing she does, even though she ment for it to be for Dahlia's sake.

Let me explain with some background context.

Iris wants an ideal. She comes from a very broken house, but she still regards the idea of family very highly. Family is her priority. This could be because she felt unsafe and uncertain in the wake of her parents divorce and the idea of "If the family was happy, everything would be safer. If the family were together, it would be less lonely". I think this stuck with her and became the base of her issues. She would do anything to keep what little family she has intact for her own sence of safty and belonging.

Dahlia was rightfully angry about the divorce, and was going through many valid turbulent emotions regarding her father, her mother, her new sister, as well as getting unwanted attention from older men that were supposed to be safe adult figures. I believe Iris would've see what her sister was going through and would've wanted to help her even if it ment lashing out drastically. As long as it helped her sister, her last fragment of family, feel safer and help reconnect the two sisters. That's why she never tried to rat out Dahlia when it escalated to murder. That's why she didn't rat her out when she thought she might've died. She was clinging to the idea that they were family and that ment something. To Iris, it ment everything.

When it comes to answering the question Why didn't she do anything when Phoenix was arrested for a murder he didn't commit?, I think Iris wanted more than anything was to keep Dahlia from going to prison. Iris didn't want to be alone.

To avoid such a fate, Iris went out with Phoenix to get the bottle from him. But then she started to feel a sence of safty and belonging with Phoenix, one she probably hasn't truly felt in a long time. She wanted to follow that feeling, but Dahlia has always been, and still was her top priority. Pheonix was better at making her feel safe, but he was an uncertain option, thier relationship was based on a lie, and they had only just met where as Iris where as Dahlia and Iris knew eachother since birth. And family was everything.

I think Iris wanted both. She wanted a "caring sister" and a "loving boyfriend". This wish was not inherently wrong, but what was was that what Dahlia and Pheonix were reduced to placeholders for her ideals at the end of the day. That's why when Phoenix was taking the fall, Iris didn't do anything. The fantasy fell apart and she felt she needed to choose Dahlia or Phoenix.

I completely agree that Iris didn't "love" Phoenix in a healthy way. She wanted what he represented. He was an escape for her.

But I think that she thought it was love. And I think she still highly regards her experience with Pheonix enough to count it.

I don't think she fully realizes the enormity of her actions outside of herself because she is in such a state of constant feer and uncertainty that she ends up burring her head in the sand. This would not be helped by isolating herself on a mountain as it gives her all the reason not to face the consequences of her actions and lets her head stay buried out a self perpetuated version of her past fears and guilt. Still, thowing yourself into isolation and beating yourself up is no substitute for facing your reality head on and owning up to your actions even if those actions were done when you felt the world was against you. (*cough* *cough* edgeworth *cough* *cough*)

Still, the mountain retreat was not entirely bad for Iris. Far from it. Getting distance from Dahlia and finding a more stable sorce of care and affection from Bikini set her up to be able to accept the responsibility of her past actions.

Getting closure on her past while also holding her responsible for her actions is exactly what Iris needed to start moving forward.

That's why I think she told Phoenix at the end of the game. She's only starting to move forward and she still remember's Phoenix very fondly. If everything was different, maybe she could've learned to truly love him instead of relying on him. But times are different now and she has a lot of work to do before she can even attempt to approach that. And whether or not Phoenix would even be willing to open that door again is a whole other can of worms that completely depends on subjective interpretation. But the potential is still there regardless.

I don't think Iris had bad intentions. But I also agree that nearly all her actions were ultimately misguided and self-serving.

I really like Iris! I hope that came across.😅 This was a fun post! Thanks for the essay and the fic!

An essay about Iris Hawthorne

So I will preface this by saying that I am not an Iris hater but she never sat right with me after Bridge to the Turnabout. I'm a biased Narumitsu shipper but I do entertain other ships (helllllloooooo Langworth) but I couldn't get behind Feenris for a few reasons.

She's a victim, yes, but she's complicit as an accessory to crimes. We last see her serving time for covering up the murder of Misty Fey but this is just the one that caught up with her. There's been at least two times she was at least privy to Dahlia's crimes (the fake kidnapping plot, Valerie's murder, Diego's poisoning) but the real issue in my mind is that she did nothing after the fact.

Firstly, she could have spoken up after the kidnapping plot but did not. We could give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she didn't know that Dahlia was even alive, or that she could plead ignorance to what actually happened, but this is only the first incidence in a damning thread. Also, she still could have at least passed information along that suggested the kidnapping was not all that it seemed, given that Dahlia had tried to recruit her. And, if she believed Dahlia to be dead, what was stopping her from speaking out?

Secondly, and I'm putting her deception during her relationship with Phoenix to the side here for a second, why didn't she do anything when he was arrested for a murder he didn't commit? It's hard to be generous here because Iris was privy to all of Dahlia's plans (Violet, Fawles, Diego Armando) except the one involving Phoenix, but that's only because Dahlia kept her in the dark intentionally because Iris would have sabotaged it. However, she had to have been aware of what happened in the aftermath. Doug Swallows was murdered and Dahlia was, once again, at the center of it all. It was Mia, not Iris, who saved Phoenix. There's no evidence to suggest Iris was somehow unable to take action because she just went back to Hazakura afterwards. She never provides any excuse as to why she failed Phoenix when he needed her the most.

Now, back to Phoenix, here's where it gets fun. I am going to posit that her falling in love with Phoenix and wanting to protect him from Dahlia is for her benefit, not his. This is also, ironically, the first time Iris does something selfish. She fell in love with him and wouldn't let Dahlia kill him, but that's because for the first time in her life she wanted something. But I can't accept this protectiveness as romance. If she wanted what was best for him, she would have done something, anything either before this point or at the time of his arrest even if it meant getting into trouble. She, once again, chose to obscure the truth and instead did nothing.

Further to that, I can't accept her actions at Bridge to the Turnabout as anything but self-serving. She continued to hide the truth until it was presented to her. It was only at the eleventh hour that she confessed she loved Phoenix all along. It doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in her motives.

Now, all of this actually makes her a more interesting character in my eyes, so again, this isn't an Iris hate essay. She's tricky to get right in a Narumitsu context but here's a shameless plug to my story if you want to see my take on it: https://archiveofourown.org/works/63292576/chapters/162138757

[cronchy-cryptid]

So I'm slowly getting through Dual Destinies and I have formed a single thought.

I want to know if anyone has theoretically put Defence Attorney Aristotle "Get a Innocence verdict by any means" Means

And Prosecutor Manfred "Perfect Guilty Record" Von Karma

In the same court room.

Make it intense! Put their rep on the line!

I wanna see the cat fight! I wanna see these petty ass old men swiping at eachother! Not letting eachother finish a scentice! There might not be any real evidence by the end of the case!! These two would be playing underhanded 4D chess with daggers up thier sleves in a nonsensical Kangaroo court!!

Who would win? How? What would that mean for the case? I need to know!

[cronchy-cryptid]

Ah yes, my favorite characters.

Martin Kartin Blackwood

Jonathan Sims Head Archives of The Magnus Institute, London

Joe spooky

Not Calliope

Victorian Harlet wearing a Stoner Twink

Lost Emo Child

Michael 1-5

Sky Grandpa

And Helen :>

[cronchy-cryptid]

might fuck around and walk into a thick fog and never return idk

[cronchy-cryptid]

Recently, I found an animatic for a chat between Martian and Tim that wasn't in the main series??

Are there other off shoot fluffy episodes????

Where can I find them?

It's urgent

[cronchy-cryptid]

Because I'm illiterate ✌

Yall I'm at across roads!!

Im relistening to Tma so I have a complete understanding of all events but it's taking forever bc of life.

BUT protocol is coming out and I'm curious to know whats happening over there. The thing is, I don't want to be confused when I watch it by not understanding all of tma (or at least more confused than what's intended) or be left behind by not watching it (I got that fomo TvT).

But! Im scrolling though tma fandom and I'm seeing this Welcome to Nightveil Series and I'm also curious!!

Life won't let me listen to all of them at once so I have to choose one and I don't want to! I want to just absorb them all at once within seconds! I want to be the archivist and just ~ 👁k n o w👁~.

As a stranger on the interwebs with chronic choice fatuige, help!

[cronchy-cryptid]

Yall I'm at across roads!!

Im relistening to Tma so I have a complete understanding of all events but it's taking forever bc of life.

BUT protocol is coming out and I'm curious to know whats happening over there. The thing is, I don't want to be confused when I watch it by not understanding all of tma (or at least more confused than what's intended) or be left behind by not watching it (I got that fomo TvT).

But! Im scrolling though tma fandom and I'm seeing this Welcome to Nightveil Series and I'm also curious!!

Life won't let me listen to all of them at once so I have to choose one and I don't want to! I want to just absorb them all at once within seconds! I want to be the archivist and just ~ 👁k n o w👁~.

As a stranger on the interwebs with chronic choice fatuige, help!

[cronchy-cryptid]

I think the one of my favorite jokes in tma fandom is calling Jonah Magnus a harlet with the same intensity as a Victorian priest or witch hunter.

Keeps it classy.

[cronchy-cryptid]

More TMA Thoughts

So...

Like...

What If the barista guy Agnes dated had been cursed/marked by an entity that allowed him to survive her flames.

...

Like what if he was marked by death so he turns into a skeleton at night or smthn. Like a wereskeleton.

...

And maybe that's not enough. May be he's marked by the desolation so he can withstand her heat. So, maybe like a flaming wereskeleton.

...

And 3's a good round number, so what if he was also marked by the eye so he can see into the souls of people and judge their souls and actions? Maybe he could burn the eyes out of rude people or somthin idk...

.....

...

...

SO WHAT IF THE BARISTA WAS GHOST RIDER?

[cronchy-cryptid]

To add to this, I don't think these two ever married. I know an on going joke is that they bicker like an old divorced couple, but I like to believe that that was more of a lie/joke Elias pit out there when people asked about their relationship.

Peter doesn't really want to be public about thier casual hook-ups because A) it's none of their business and B) people get nosy and ask a bunch of questions and feel the need to ask one about the other if they know something's happening between the two and it's just alot.

So imagine Elais is asked about it when Peter is away and, to kinda rock the boat, he lies and says Peter is his Ex-Husband. He says it with a sharpness that discourages further questions, but the confused/curious/frightened look on their face is priceless to Elias. Those who occasionally saw Peter were already intimidated by his stature and demeanor, but now with this new information, a layer of awkwardness is added on top. Now, they avoid Peter almost completely.

Peter is unaware of what Elias has done, but does notice the lack of people when he pops in. He would say it's nicer, makes him feel more alone whenever he visits the institute, but he can't shake the increased amount of stares. He's used to being generally noted in the institute whenever he visits, and yes, some people are clearly closer to the eye with how intense their stares can be, but this... this is a whole new level of avoidance, of observation.

When he asks Elias about it, he says it's a welcome back gift; that he thought Peter might enjoy the space.

Peter might enjoy the space if there weren't so many eyes leering at him from every direction.

Elias reminds him that this is The Magnus Institute: Temple of the Ceaseless Watcher. In here, there are all types of curious sorts; academics and gossips and the like. Honestly, Peter should have known before stoping by.

At this point, Peter tells him to cut the shit. What's going on?

Elias responds, saying that what was going on is what has always been going on within the institute's walls. The academics got busy and gossips got curious. So, Elias threw them a bone they could naw on. One with little substance, mind you, but they've never been ones to notice such details in the face of their boss' Ex-Husband. And now, he supposes, they're keeping Peter under observation until their curiosities are satiated.

He said that last bit with a subtle smile; a playful smile. He thinks this is funny.

To this Peter's face goes grim. Shock, disbelief, shame, maybe anger?

But before he can formulate a thought, Elias suggests he not chage his plans on account of this new development. After all, responding to it in any way will only fan the flames of gossip and make matters worse. The situation should die down relatively soon. When it does, Peter will still be generally avoided, but it will have less of those disconcerting stares he dislikes so much.

Peter thinks about this mess. Elias is always doing something like this and he can never fully decides if he hates it or not. It's irritating at times, yes, but the distance from others is nice.

It's fine, he decides. As long as it sorts itself out. Whatever. You know?

However, after some some time has past and the rumor fades a bit, Elias begins to tease Peter about it. He argues that if the rumor died completely, then Peter would loose the sweet feeling of ostracisation he's been enjoying in the archives.

Peter knows that's mostly bullshit, but it is half true. So, sure, why not? It won't be as bad as the first time the rumor dropped.

So now Elias just says things like "This is why we got divorced!" over the pettiest of things, "I can't believe I ever married you" randomly because it's funny or "Can we get divorced again?" When Peter says something completely bewildering.

It becomes the norm at somepoint and Peter begins to accept this.

One day, Peter just cracks and says something to the effect of "Look, I didn't even want to get married" and Elias le gasps in mock offence. Now they both do this as banter.

Elias, "God, I should have never married you."

Peter, "Hence, the divorce"

Elias, "At this rate, we may need another one."

Peter, "You know what thay say, third times the charm"

....

Okay, I may have indulged myself near the end a bit there, BUT! My statement still stands. I don't think they were ever married, but they are divorced.

Tldr: Peter and Elias have these vibes

More TMA Head cannons and thought experiments and season 5 spoilers

(HEADS UP: This talks about toxic relationship dynamics. Specifically feeling isolated by a partner.)

Ok, so recently I've been really thinking hard about the Lonely Eyes ship. Specifically Elias|Jonah Magnus x Peter Lucas.

When I first heard of it, I'll admit, I dismissed it out of hand. "Peter hates people,-" I thought, "No way he willingly decideds to enter a commited relationship with anyone. That goes against his dedication of the lonely :/".

But then it sat with me.

It sat in my mind.

It seeped in to the shallow crevasses of my smooth brain.

It sat with me and now I want to understand.

It sat with me and now I want to make it work in a nuanced way.

Full love to those who ship them for fun or for aesthetic or for any other reason! This is me, full on in my red strings, corkboard, and supplemental era overanalyzing everything as I comb through the series after finishing it once.

ANYWAY! Peter Lucas is the avatar of the lonely, yes? Yes. Peter is a man of solitude. He doesn't want to talk. He doesn't want to get to know you. He doesn't want you around him. He wants to be alone. However, he notes that to feel truly alone, there still needs to be the knowledge of a person or group you are separate from. Without that comparison, being lonely can lose its meaning. It can slip into the Vast's territory. This need for people dispite wanting to be separate from them is why Peter saw the extinction as a real threat.

So he keeps himself at arms length from people, but he still needs them there. No closer and no further. Just enough for him to feel truly alone.

Elias Bouchard is the newest name and face of the body snatcher, Jonah Magnus; the avatar of the eye. (I headcanon that every time Jonah body snatches, a bit of personality is picked up from his victims. Because of this, in this post, I will refer to this incarnation specifically as Elias) Elias loves the eye and is very well attuned to it. He's conniving, quick wited, and very choice with his words. He lives to know. To know you. To know your secrets. To know your failures. To know what keeps you awake at night and to know when it's best to remind you of of all these facts. When he targets someone, he is focused and deliberate. This style of "preying" not only lends itself to feeding the eye as it rattles his victims to thier core, but also allows Elias to blackmail them into collecting MORE information for him as they don't want others to know what Elias knows. It worked on Daisy, Melanie, and (almost) Martin.

But an interesting little side effect of the Eye's power is that it makes you acutely aware of your own presence. You feel singled out by it. It knows everything about you. Intimate things that no random person should know. It watches you. Did something you do give it that knowledge? Who else knows what it knows? Who eles knows and isn't saying anything? Who eles knows and is thinking about you and your worst habits, your dirty secrets, your troubled past that you worked so hard to put behind you? They must know. But they refuse to admit it. You can't trust them. It's you against those who know you and those who will ever know you. And what a truly lonely state to be in.

Jon once said, "The lonely and the eye aren't too far apart are they? Not really.. What goods being alone if you don't know how alone you truly are?"

The eye makes you know how alone you are.

So back to Lonely Eyes (if you read this far, thanks for joining me, I promise I have a point to make). What if they're relationship was super toxic. Like textbook toxic, but they are okay with it because it's the aspects that seem toxic to an average person that they actually value in their relationship.

Imagine, Elias and Peter have an on and off relationship. Elias knows Peter. He knows how to make Peter feel like he's been seen. He knows what games Peter is willing to play and what bets he's willing to make. He hunts Peter. He enjoys the information Peter gives him, yes, but he also enjoys the slight fear that oozes out of Peter whenever they speak.

Peter hates being seen. He doesn't like that Elias "understand's him". That makes him uncomfortable. But he can't help but be drawn back in by this sence of isolation Elias' presence brings. The feeling that he can't reach the outside world when Elias is around. He wouldn't want the world there anyway, whether it's because he never liked socializing or because everytime he talks with Elias, he feels like nobody should know what Elias knows. That this lonely man had a code Elias has secretly hacked into. That Elias could be his undoing if he wanted to be.

Because of this, Peter can't handle Elias for long bouts of time. The uncomfortably becomes far too much for the fimiliar lonelness to soothe over. So Peter eventually leaves to do his own thing ...on his own boat... for his own entity...on his own time.

But, almost like a parting gift, the memory of Elias drifts in and out of his head on those long voyages. Those sparse memories makes it feel like a person is missing. A very important person is out of reach. A person who kept him on his toes and saw him whether he liked it or not, is now gone. No more chats. No more games. No more Elias. And a strong wave of loneliness hits him like a crashing wave. Peter can't help but bask in the weight of it all.

Overtime, those thoughts just don't give the same punch of loneliness. Eventually, he feels relativly average all things considered. He doesn't immediately go back like an addict might, but he will treat himself once in a while... when he finds himself washed up on the ports of London.

Elias may not count on Peter's visits. Once Peter is gone, his fun has been had and it's back to babysitting archivists. However, you would be hard pressed to find Elias focused on his work when he can see Peter walking up the institute's steps, and he knows it's about to start all over again.

[cronchy-cryptid]

The more I delve into The Magnus Archive fandom, the more I see it as Simping For Beasts And The Elderly: The Fandom

And here I am. Part of it.

[cronchy-cryptid]

More TMA Head cannons and thought experiments and season 5 spoilers

(HEADS UP: This talks about toxic relationship dynamics. Specifically feeling isolated by a partner.)

Ok, so recently I've been really thinking hard about the Lonely Eyes ship. Specifically Elias|Jonah Magnus x Peter Lucas.

When I first heard of it, I'll admit, I dismissed it out of hand. "Peter hates people,-" I thought, "No way he willingly decideds to enter a commited relationship with anyone. That goes against his dedication of the lonely :/".

But then it sat with me.

It sat in my mind.

It seeped in to the shallow crevasses of my smooth brain.

It sat with me and now I want to understand.

It sat with me and now I want to make it work in a nuanced way.

Full love to those who ship them for fun or for aesthetic or for any other reason! This is me, full on in my red strings, corkboard, and supplemental era overanalyzing everything as I comb through the series after finishing it once.

ANYWAY! Peter Lucas is the avatar of the lonely, yes? Yes. Peter is a man of solitude. He doesn't want to talk. He doesn't want to get to know you. He doesn't want you around him. He wants to be alone. However, he notes that to feel truly alone, there still needs to be the knowledge of a person or group you are separate from. Without that comparison, being lonely can lose its meaning. It can slip into the Vast's territory. This need for people dispite wanting to be separate from them is why Peter saw the extinction as a real threat.

So he keeps himself at arms length from people, but he still needs them there. No closer and no further. Just enough for him to feel truly alone.

Elias Bouchard is the newest name and face of the body snatcher, Jonah Magnus; the avatar of the eye. (I headcanon that every time Jonah body snatches, a bit of personality is picked up from his victims. Because of this, in this post, I will refer to this incarnation specifically as Elias) Elias loves the eye and is very well attuned to it. He's conniving, quick wited, and very choice with his words. He lives to know. To know you. To know your secrets. To know your failures. To know what keeps you awake at night and to know when it's best to remind you of of all these facts. When he targets someone, he is focused and deliberate. This style of "preying" not only lends itself to feeding the eye as it rattles his victims to thier core, but also allows Elias to blackmail them into collecting MORE information for him as they don't want others to know what Elias knows. It worked on Daisy, Melanie, and (almost) Martin.

But an interesting little side effect of the Eye's power is that it makes you acutely aware of your own presence. You feel singled out by it. It knows everything about you. Intimate things that no random person should know. It watches you. Did something you do give it that knowledge? Who else knows what it knows? Who eles knows and isn't saying anything? Who eles knows and is thinking about you and your worst habits, your dirty secrets, your troubled past that you worked so hard to put behind you? They must know. But they refuse to admit it. You can't trust them. It's you against those who know you and those who will ever know you. And what a truly lonely state to be in.

Jon once said, "The lonely and the eye aren't too far apart are they? Not really.. What goods being alone if you don't know how alone you truly are?"

The eye makes you know how alone you are.

So back to Lonely Eyes (if you read this far, thanks for joining me, I promise I have a point to make). What if they're relationship was super toxic. Like textbook toxic, but they are okay with it because it's the aspects that seem toxic to an average person that they actually value in their relationship.

Imagine, Elias and Peter have an on and off relationship. Elias knows Peter. He knows how to make Peter feel like he's been seen. He knows what games Peter is willing to play and what bets he's willing to make. He hunts Peter. He enjoys the information Peter gives him, yes, but he also enjoys the slight fear that oozes out of Peter whenever they speak.

Peter hates being seen. He doesn't like that Elias "understand's him". That makes him uncomfortable. But he can't help but be drawn back in by this sence of isolation Elias' presence brings. The feeling that he can't reach the outside world when Elias is around. He wouldn't want the world there anyway, whether it's because he never liked socializing or because everytime he talks with Elias, he feels like nobody should know what Elias knows. That this lonely man had a code Elias has secretly hacked into. That Elias could be his undoing if he wanted to be.

Because of this, Peter can't handle Elias for long bouts of time. The uncomfortably becomes far too much for the fimiliar lonelness to soothe over. So Peter eventually leaves to do his own thing ...on his own boat... for his own entity...on his own time.

But, almost like a parting gift, the memory of Elias drifts in and out of his head on those long voyages. Those sparse memories makes it feel like a person is missing. A very important person is out of reach. A person who kept him on his toes and saw him whether he liked it or not, is now gone. No more chats. No more games. No more Elias. And a strong wave of loneliness hits him like a crashing wave. Peter can't help but bask in the weight of it all.

Overtime, those thoughts just don't give the same punch of loneliness. Eventually, he feels relativly average all things considered. He doesn't immediately go back like an addict might, but he will treat himself once in a while... when he finds himself washed up on the ports of London.

Elias may not count on Peter's visits. Once Peter is gone, his fun has been had and it's back to babysitting archivists. However, you would be hard pressed to find Elias focused on his work when he can see Peter walking up the institute's steps, and he knows it's about to start all over again.

[cronchy-cryptid]

Out of all the iconic quotes and moments of TMA my brain could have latched on to, why is it that I find myslef in the middle of doing laundry muttering "The magnus archive is a podcast distributed by rusty quill and license under a creative commons attribution non-commercial ShareALike 4.0 international license. Todays episode was written and performed by Jonathan sims, Produced by Alexander J Newall and Murray porter, and Directed by Alexander J Newall"

...

It just rolls off the tounge I guess!?!

[cronchy-cryptid]

Okay! But hear me out, Sam and Dean are born in the hunt and over time are marked by every single fear like Jon Sims was. Sam was exposed early on with the lonely, the desolation, the spiral, etc. Dean definitely got marked by the slaughter, the end, the burried, etc. They both come to know the stranger, the eye, the corruption, the flesh, the dark, and literally all of them because of they're them!

They are powder kegs of apocalypses ready to explode if any thinking entity or avatar wanted to light that fuse. It wouldn't be the spider as the spider knows that an apocalypse is a bad idea. But maybe another avatar of the eye? Or the spiral?

I’m not sure if anyone else has said this but: Sam and Dean Winchester (supernatural) are avatars of the hunt

sam and dean winchester from supernatural are avatars of the hunt!