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imo the problem with the "you cannot go back and even if you could you're not that person anymore" thing with jason is that, much like the same mentality behind "jason is the revenge fantasy and he is right in what he does" it still forces you to pick and choose what's worth keeping and what's not. because if you choose to keep everything then both interpretations are correct because both versions of jason are presented in the text, basically issue to issue
from 2005-2011 alone he fluctuated between such heavy extremes that i think trying to extrapolate any sort of consistent story to try to apply to current fandom or canon would just simply not work. this is even further complicated when you try to add his robin years to the mix, especially when you add the additional stories later retconned in by beaty and dixon.
jason's character is so thoroughly inconsistent that basically the only way to get a real character out of him you have to stop at under the hood. and even then i'm not sure i can say i feel the bridge between who he was as robin and who he is as red hood is stable enough to carry a character. i mean we saw in practice how easy it is to interpret his character into vast extremes just from the time between countdown and battle for the cowl lol
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In my defense, I went to the kishimoto school of gay yearning
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happy pride month superman is making ur dash gay
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Roy Harper loves his sunglasses.
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the Teen Titans is RICHARD JOHN GRAYSON'S team. I am sick and tired of this disrespect. Nightwing was originally not even a 'batfam character'. he was a TITANS character. His time with the titans is extremely important/foundational for his character. I am taking dick away until people can learn to respect him
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Let’s get forehead kissed by mama.
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Two things:
Can't believe Cass is doing all that in heels
Highly effective questioning
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Saw some bad takes tonight but let me make some things clear (for the people who never read Lost Days but think they’re an authority on Talia’s relationship with Jason based one page from the last issue).
1. Talia did not make Jason feel like he was “replaced” or that “Bruce didn’t care about him”. Literally the first fucking issue ends with her telling Jason that the universe brought him back because he’s meant for great things. In fact, she’s the only person to have ever told him that his resurrection was a good thing. The only person to have ever framed him not being dead as something positive. The only.
2. Not only did Talia not “manipulate” Jason into “attempting to kill Tim”, Talia was worried about what Jason’s reaction to the new Robin would be. She wanted him to talk about his feelings with her, but he couldn’t at that moment.
3. She didn’t keep him hidden in order to “hurt Bruce”, in fact she saved him out of her love for Bruce. Lost Days says that she didn’t bring him back to Bruce because she was scared he wouldn’t be able to forgive her for not bringing Jason to him right away. It’s faulty reasoning, but it’s not malicious. The more reasonable conclusion is that she didn’t want to betray Jason’s trust by giving him away before he was ready. Which leads me to…
4. She was not manipulating Jason so she could have him as a weapon at her disposal. She admitted that she agrees with Jason’s feelings of betrayal at not having been avenged. She agrees with Jason, even while having acknowledged (back in issue #1) that Bruce would never kill (while Ra’s thought he would snap). She’s proven that she knows Bruce, well enough to know that he will never give Jason what she believes he needs; so, she makes sure Jason can take it for himself. Writers’ understanding of Talia and killing has been lacking, to say the very least, since Morrison, but this was before that. I would understand why other Talia fans might choose to ignore this part, but I think it fits that Talia believes it the duty of a parent to make whatever sacrifice to protect their child. In this case, that would be Bruce sacrificing his morals for Jason.
5. Talia never wanted Jason to fight Bruce. Jason said that he had eventually realized that her training was partly to stall him from going after Bruce’s life (because she knows he had the skill to take it). She lets him go after he admits that killing Bruce isn’t part of his plan anymore.
6. She did not let him kill his teachers because it would corrupt him. She was happy Jason killed his teachers,, but not for that reason. She had previously been worried that Ra’s was right; that the Lazarus pit had turned Jason into a sociopath, incapable of caring for anything but his revenge. Jason killing these people in order to protect innocents is proof to her that he still has some sense of personal morality, that he will not become consumed by revenge; hence, “You’re learning”. She’s not happy he’s a killer, she’s happy he still cares (and I agree with her because what is Jason Todd, if not someone who cares for victims?).
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See I didn't expect Hush 2 to be groundbreaking or anything but I didn't really think it was just going to be a complete retreading of the same conflicts with no acknowledgement of how the character's have changed since Hush lol
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I'm aware you're not remotely a fan of King's WW run (which is understandable), but do you think Trinity is unsalvageable a concept also?
well I hate her which means she's unsalvagable, right? [joking]
More seriously, I think Trinity is an unsalvagable concept as executed but is perfectly salvageable in concept if handed to someone who isn't a misogynist and doesn't ACTUALLY just want to write a Super Sons book.
"First natural born daughter of the Themysciran Amazons" is a genuinely fascinating concept and a Wondertrev daughter is delightful in theory. It could work! It even has worked (Lizzie will never be Lyta Trevor. Lizzie wishes she was as cool as Lyta Trevor). There's genuine space for a story to be told about Diana and Steve as parents and about their daughter as the continuation of the Amazonian promise realized (Diana as the best of Amazonia embodied, Steve as the best of Man's World embodied, their daughter as the best of both worlds).
Unfortunately Tom King is not interested in actually doing any of that and instead just wants to show off his ~super special OC~ who has a nonsensical name and three lassos, gets babysat by Damian and Jon, and never interacts with other women despite being Wonder Woman's daughter and a fucking Amazon. If you create a daughter of Diana and then have her idolize Robin as a child instead of her mother or one of the Wonder Girls, you have lost the plot.
So like. You'd have to completely trash her and rebuild her from the ground up, name included. But she's not completely unsalvagable; she's just unsalvagable as-is.
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honestly you all are so annoying because motherhood IS interesting but fandom people are simultaneously obsessed with deciding that every woman has motherly qualities and completely disinterested in actually exploring motherhood as a role that informs a character. I do think exploring a character being a mother can be wildly interesting if they are canonically one, but because of misogyny, people just view motherhood as a totally unremarkable naturalized state that all women must inhabit!
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wlw DC championship - Round one!


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wlw DC championship - Round one!


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Obvious clarification that if you do not want to read comics you do not have to read comics but why when you suggest very neutrally that if you're into an adaption of a comic book, maybe it would be nice to read the source material do people act like you just shot their dog in front of them. It's picture books babe you should not be having this severe reaction to being suggested to read picture books.
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