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Restless blues

Restless blues https://archiveofourown.org/works/43797819 by @signorin-anarchia

Andrés comes back after the Mint Heist. 5 nights they can't sleep together + 1 night they finally can. Or: there's only one bed. But it's angst. ꧁ Written for the Berlermo Secret Santa 2022 ꧂

Words: 6448, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Rating: Explicit

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Categories: M/M

Characters: Berlin | Andrés de Fonollosa, Palermo | Martín Berrote

Relationships: Berlin | Andrés de Fonollosa/Palermo | Martín Berrote, Berlin | Andrés de Fonollosa & Palermo | Martín Berrote

Additional Tags: Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Angst and Romance, Angst and Porn, Anal Fingering, First Time Blow Jobs, Berlermo Secret Santa

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I didn't really feel the need of straight!Berlin in Money Heist Korea. Especially when Seoul is a bad copy of Martin straight outta a cringe fic.

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(not that) friendly reminder that "poor baby Martín" in fics is as much mischaracterization as "poor baby Andrés" :)

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What do you think the age difference between Martin, Sergio and Rafael?

Premise: since the show never gave us any real clue about the characters' ages, except confused and contradictory hints, this is both based on speculations and my own headcanon.

It took me a while to figure everything out, but I hope this is an accurate enough prospect.

So, let's start with Andrés.

I clearly remember his age in the show being addressed when the police showed his files & his mugshot.

I did a quick online research and it turned out that, according to them, he was born on 7/04/1975, which would make him only 41 during the Mint heist.

I'm almost sure that at some point Piña just decided to ignore his own canon and pretend that Andrés was more around Pedro's age (who's born in 1975).

This for several reasons, mostly concerning coherency and his significant others: Rafael's own existence, his long-standing friendship for Martin, and last but not least, the spinoff, where after all they can't make Pedro look like a teen.

Even like that, continuity issues are not fully solved - but we'll discuss about them in a while.

Now, Sergio.

Searching online, there are no evidences about his real age. This is partly justified in the show, stating that "he has stopped renewing is ID at the age of 19", so it's pretty normal not to have this kind of information about him.

The only guessing we can make is based on his father's death: according to Money Heist Wiki, Jesus Marquina was shot on 5/02/1987.

Sergio was arguably 9 or 10 back then (even though the kid actor who plays him physically looks around 12 - he's tall for his age and even has a hint of beard).

That would mean that he and Andres only have 2 years apart, which honestly doesn't make sense at all to me.

They've always acted around eachother like they had a huge age gap, maybe even a decade, which is also my own headcanon when writing fics. I've always liked the idea of Andrés taking care of Sergio when he was a kid, it gives us a hint of humanity among all the character's shades, and above all, it's also what they seem implying in the show most of the time.

Why call "little brother" a sibling who's around your age? Why mention that Andrés raised him after their parents death? And how will they justify Sergio's absence in the spinoff if he's already an adult?

So, even though the timeline looks quite messy here, I like to think that Sergio & Andrés have a certain age difference. Once again, if you think of it, everything can be cleared up assuming that when he dies, Andrés is in fact in his late 40s.

Third, Martín.

We know nothing about him, nor his age, nor his birthday date, nor anything about his past. The guy's literally a ghost before we got to know him in S3, and in a couple of scenes/lines we even hear the police wondering who he is, which proves that he's probably a clean record.

For some reason, the Wiki claims he's in his late 30s, but that's probably speculation since I can't remember a single statement about his age in the show.

We could assume that he's maybe around Rodrigo age (born in 1976), so 42 during the Bank heist.

Ultimately, my own headcanon is that he's almost certainly younger than Andrés, but maybe a little older than Sergio.

Of course this doesn't make much sense if we keep taking for granted that Sergio is only 2 years younger that Andrés, but like I said, I'm more and more convinced that this was a continuity error and Andrés is older than what previously stated.

And now, the sore spot: Rafaél.

We're forced, here, to rely on the hints featured in the promo pre-s5, where it's clearly stated that the guy is 33.

I like to think - just because that works better narratively speaking - that he's 33 only during the Bank heist, which makes him 28-29 around the Copenhagen heist.

The real matter here is his age gap with Andrés: once again, if we keep assuming that he was 41 when he died, that would mean that he became a father at the age of 11.

Like... No. Just no.

And even assuming that the character is Pedro's age, so 4 years older, makes no sense at all: 15 still looks like a very young age to get "married" - like he implied he was - and I'm almost sure that a minor would face several major issues trying to get married underage.

Andrés also mentions an affair with his french teacher when he was 18, so he definitely finished the school and wasn't married at the time.

He must've been at least 19 to meet and get pregnant Rafael's mother, which means that they're almost two decades apart.

In conclusion, if we think it over, the only way all of this vaguely makes sense is assuming that when he died, Andrés was at least 50 (Pedro's age when they were filming).

That would make Sergio 40 and Martin maybe 43-44 - the timeline is plausible to me.

Final Warning: this whole over-analysis could be affected by the fact that I'm a sucker for fics where kid!Sergio is raised by youngadult!Andrés.

What can I do? Give me my wrecked siblings and no one'll get hurt.

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Everybody knows Berlín is a huge misogynist that's why I don't get the appeal of the romance in it. you know, if that's gonna be one of the main plots. It's not gonna be like the Serquel story, Sergio respected women. They make Berlín a feminist?

Yes???

Tbh that's a point I've always been bothered by even back to s3-5, the character basically turned into a saint, or otherwise was not that misogynistic anymore; he was like "uuuh, I love women now, I'm all kind and supportive!"

Never once we heard him being nasty or even disrespectful with Tatiana (to the extent that she leaves him because "he's boring", not because he has clearly some serious issues with women).

I'm almost sure that when Netflix took over the show, they just preferred to ignore the whole thing and go on, you know, not to deal with any sensitive issue... And this is very annoying bcs it was a huge part concerning the character; he's a villain after all all, and like any other villain, writers end up ruining their whole arc when trying to make them more likeable.

But even if you twist the character of Berlin, change completely his attitude, his looking, his past, and write the most OOC things your mind can think of... He could never, ever, EVER become well fitting in a rom-com.

It would be like doing a rom-com with Severus Snape; he can have his paradoxes, but he's not THAT kind of romantic/comic character. All they can get is flattening his arc to make... What, exactly? A show for kids? Who aren't even the main target?

I hope I'll never get to see the day when Berlin turns into "a FeMiNiSt".

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I'm currently watching Better Call Saul, only on s1 so can't really judge it, but so far I think they did a very good job. the spin-off has its own identity and the tone is different, but it's still the same universe, the balance is good between the new characters and old ones from breaking bad. only if pina managed to do something like that with berlin and not just use the face of pedro...

Oh yeah, believe me, they really did!

BCS is one of my favourite TV shows so far, not just for its great balance between comedy and tragedy, but most of all for the beautiful, moving, deep characters arc. They didn't leave anything to chance, they made me empathize with FUCKING CRIMINALS in a good way, and they built strong bondings between the characters.

You've picked the perfect example btw: when the Berlin spin-off was announced, the first thing I thought was "please let it be like BCS", because (calling myself out here) I genuinely believe that it's even better than Breaking Bad. Maybe not the ending (don't worry, I won't give spoilers here), but about the character study... *chief kiss*

And this is definitely the way how a spin-off should be made, with deep respect for the character, no judging, and most of all, knowing his whole backstory, even if it's mainly stuff that won't be showed.

The difference between BCS and Berlin at the moment (and of course with the latter it's just speculations) is that writers seem unaware/oblivious about Berlin.

You got me right: they know nothing about they're own character. The character they created. The character they wrote 5 seasons about. The character they choose to shoot a spin-off about.

They're just inventing, building step by step, sticking together pieces of a puzzle without even knowing the whole picture.

And now, if you ask me if is this the correct/conventional/right/functional way to write a spin-off, and most in general a character, I'd say no.

In BCS they didn't ignored Saul Goodman's past, they just found a way to fit it fluidly in the main narration. They gave the audience ACTUAL reasons why he became the criminal morally grey lawyer he was in BB.

They didn't pretend he was someone else back then, like they seem to be doing with Berlin, because it would've been a losing strategy from the start.

People want to know more about the character they love; that's all. They don't want to see someone else with their favourite character's face just with the excuse he "was different back then". Ok, dude. Tell me why???

You can't just say "Berlin used to have a deep passion for pet elephants because we never said he didn't", or "Berlin had a lot of friends before LCDP, and for some reason even though they're beta versions of the original Banda, they used to appreciate him a lot because he was a cool guy", cuz NO, you're mischaracterizing him for the plot's sake.

They had several characters connected to Berlin. They could've created a couple of others, like in BCS, but that's all. Vince Gilligan brought up like the 90% of BB characters, something he never had issues with, because he knew that:

1) fans needed a connection with the main show to keep follow

2) it's necessary narratively speaking

Hoping that Pina will reach the same conclusion at some point.

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It's always a pleasure to get your sweet appreciations 🥰 they make my day!

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Do you remember when Serquel stans demanded spin-off Serquel and people (myself included) were like "What do you ask for, a rom-com? Haha, grow up! They chose Berlin, because his backstory has more to offer" and yet.. here we are... a Berlin rom-com.

Lmfaaooo yes. I made comments like these myself, "what do they want, a sitcom for kids?" and "LCDP itself was the Serquel spinoff"...

And now? We are the worst clowns 🤡

This is karma, we laughed so much at them that the universe revolted against us 😂

But, jokes aside, we were convinced that they chose Berlin in order to do something good, not just a rom-com that will get cancelled after a season...

Yes, Berlin's backstory has so much to offer IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. Because narratively he's of course the better choice for a drama, but the worst for a rom-com. I can't even imagine how they will manage to make the whole thing work, and if they do, they'll get my respect.

But before then, I remain skeptical.

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Sorry, I had to.

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i’m just a bitch with bad posture and an irregular sleeping schedule 

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Look, I would be looking forward to it, expecting to see how the old team fractured, it it wasn't labeled as a lighthearted feel good romantic comedy. 🤦 The characters are obviously copies of lcdp characters. But this isn't the main problem, the main problem is the fucking genre. And wtf was that remark by one of the creators that since we are living bad times people want to escape from reality and watch fun staff not dark things?

I got a very similar ask about the genre, so you can find my reflections on it here.

About the rest:

their declaration was absolutely inappropriate, and I must confess I got a little upset when I heard it. What is this supposed to be, some kind of censorship where as soon as there are wars in the world we're not allowed to talk about dark things? Just ridiculous.

Wars, illnesses, poverty, social injustices are not fought with silly laughter and cheap stereotypical narrative, but with critical thinking.

And to develop such a thing, we need (and deserve) good stories, well written characters, captivating atmosphere and deep psychology, even though "it's not quite like reality".

Now I'm speaking as a film industry worker. As soon as there will be people saying "lol chill out it's just entertainment", we'll have issues. And it's so much more upsetting when this comes from Pina's mouth, a man who has access to a communication channel with millions people.

They could've just said "we think that comedy really does fit to Berlin's character", "we're sure we can make it work", "we want to try a new way", etc...

They're totally wrong statements, but I could've accepted it since I haven't even seen the show, so maybe they could've surprised us.

But the war thing...

Really, really annoying. And a bad premise.

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Totally agree about the “feel-good” part!!! For a feel-good show, Denver, Monica and Cinci would be perfect candidates. And past scenes with Manila and Moscu. Or: a Serquel family spin-off as the majority of LCDP fandom wanted.

Yeah, anon.

I agree that the real matter here is the mood, totally off when it comes to Berlin.

Like you said, there's plenty of LCDP characters who give "feel-good vibes". And I'm certainly not talking about Gandía, Alicia, Ariadna, Alison, Monica, Martín and, of course, Andrés.

If their purpose was making a comedic spinoff, we must recognise that Berlin couldn't fit, and as disappointed as we could've been, we had to accept a Serquel spinoff or something else (I'll be honest, I would've watched either way).

But looks like creators don't even know their creature anymore. They had to take "the most loved character" and screw him up thinking that people would've appreciated (not sure why).

The only thing I'm wondering know is: what's the point in making a spinoff with a character who most of the public loves but totally changing his personality? Or putting him a sitcom?

Walter White wouldn't fit in a sitcom.

Neither does Tommy Shelby.

Nor Geralt of Rivia.

And so on.

Why?

Cuz they're damn dramatic characters from dramatic shows, which can a have joyful moments and laughs, but still remain dramatic shows.

I've never heard of a "feel good" spinoff from a dramatic show.

And there must be a reason why.

P.S. Of course there's a little chance that the show isn't actually a sitcom, but they're promoting it like one. Once again, not sure why, since the whole fanbase seems disappointed and that's clearly NOT a good marketing move.

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What are your impressions of the berlin spinoff new characters?

Hi Anon!

Thx for asking & mainly for giving me the chance to rant, I have a lot to say about this topic.

Sit back, this is gonna be a long ride.

I'll be honest, first impression was "lol, they're joking"

Second, I was quite annoyed.

Third, I am genuinely angry.

And I'm not even talking about Berlermo here, of course it's a bold move ignoring Martín in the spinoff, because, you know, timeline???

And don't get me started with Sergio, because I'm almost sure it will be a tough challenge to pretend that Andrés is an only child...

And while Pedro Alonso is a great actor and I'm 100% sure he'll fulfill his role at best, they're basically asking us to ignore that he's a man in his 50s playing a character in his 30s. Just because.

Also, they keep telling that "they want the show to have its own identity"; but that makes no sense, neither promotionally nor narratively. A spin-off works as soon as it has a link with the main show, there's plenty of examples around, eg. Better Call Saul. None of us would've watched without the promise that one day it would've crossed Breaking Bad's path. And I really don't get this urgency to move away from the original show: Berlin is a character from LCDP. Ignoring that LCDP ever happened will:

1) Keep away casual viewers

2) Disappoint shippers, fans and the whole fandom.

But, aside from that, let's get back to the real matter here: the new characters look like cartoons.

And I don't mean good cartoons, like those we used to watch as kids. I'm talking about, meaningless, silly, stereotypical, poorly made cartoons.

Now, I may not be Alex Pina, bit that sounds a little bit off from the mood here?! When the hell did Andrés become a comic figure being friend with a bunch of other caricatures?

If they wanted to make something with "feel-good" vibes, they could've pick any other LCDP character (Nairobi laundering money, Denver illegally fighting, Bogotà inseminating random women all around the world), literally anyone...

But no. They've chosen the terminally ill misogynistic dude dying by suicide in a tunnel.

Don't know what you think, but that doesn't sound very "comical" to me.

Berlin is a dramatic character. And although he has his good dose of irony, humor, sarcasm, paradoxes, he doesn't fit in an anime-style cartoonish kids show, because it flattens him as a character.

So, I don't what they're trying to do here, but it would be like taking Alicia's story with German's cancer and turning it into a rom-com, only without German, who's now replaced by a random dude who never had cancer in first place.

Not even telenovela style. Just cartoon.

Last but not least, and I'm pretty sure this is something that most of us noticed, they tried to give Andrés a whole new gang... Which is basically a bad copy of the original one.

There's a Denver, there's a Rio, there's a Tokyo, there's even a weird version of female Martin and, best of all, a "lifetime friend" dressing up like a fake Professor.

How are we supposed not to compare these action figures to the characters we know and love? The worst part is that they all look like Rafael, mere blueprints of characters, never mentioned before and, most likely, human plot devices subservient to a retcon.

And to attract what kind of an audience, exactly? I've never seen an Andrés fan who was not fond of Berlermo. Not. A. Single. One.

But during last days, I've seen a lot of people being very disappointed by how OOC their favourite character is going.

The only chance for the spin-off to be renewed and become something good, maybe even overcoming the original, was giving to Berlin's character some kind of depth.

Exploring his relationship with his brother, his years with Martin, what his family background is, why his homosexuality denial, why did he became a sexual predator, and maybe leaving some space for characters who maybe have still something to say, like Marsella & Bogota.

They've chosen not to. They've preferred to take a good, deep, captivating character and make a parody out of him.

What a waste, really.

I know it's too early to say. I know that they said "we can't announce members from the old gang cause it would be spoiler". I know that probably it's a little better than it seems.

But even if Martin shows up, what kind of show is this gonna be?

Don't know what to think, but the premises aren't that good.

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So here's my 2(000) cents about this.

What about you, anon?

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I’m already disappointed with the Berlin spin-off. Where are Martin and Sergio?!