Sorry to discourse at you, you can ignore this if you want. Regarding George's humor, this is a big area where I struggle to like George. Particularly in his relationship to Paul, but also just overall. Like, my sisters and I will make some pretty mean jokes about each other, but we would never make them in front of our extended family. There's a public/private divide with that kind of humor. If that makes sense? And I try not to be too hard on George, because maybe when you're that famous (2/2)
Anon Ask 2: ...it stops being fair to ask someone to censor the sense of humor. But I just get uncomfortable knowing that George knows that some portion of the audience will take the joke seriously and telling it anyway. And I feel like this is particularly prominant with Paul, who he has also said bad stuff about publicly in a non-joking way. I don't actually know what I'm asking here. I'm just blurting this out to you because engaging with how George's humor interacts with his celebrity is hard for me.
Reference to my post and original gif set which sparked this discussion
Hiya anon! No worries about sending an ask, Im happy to talk about this topic in a little more depth :)
So something I didn’t really touch upon in my last post was that I do actually believe there were some Bitchy (for lack of a better term) things George said to Paul, particularly throughout the early 70s, which I think clearly went beyond harmless joking and were legitimately Mean Things to do or say. It’s not that I think these moments between George and Paul should be looked at in isolation, because there obviously was a long history between the two (and as well, the early 70s was just Complicated in general for everybody), so that should be accounted for if were going to criticise George for this. But despite the long history, I still think a lot of these things were unnecessary, and we should recognise that (and to be honest, not feel like we Always Have To Justify Everything? Sometimes people just do shitty things, and we can say that, and not have to victimise or vilify them for that).
I feel like this is the type of point where George fans are gonna read it and think “okay so she *hates* George” and vice-versa with Paul fans—but to be honest, this isn’t really an area where I feel like its necessary to take sides. I feel like there can be a tendency to forget, especially when we’re trying to Psychoanalyse or Understand [or whatever you wanna call it] celebrities, that they’re all just human beings. Like everyone has said nasty things to other people, and everyones had nasty things said to them—but a period of hostility between two friends isn’t necessarily representative of what their relationship is really like, if you catch my meaning. My point I guess is kind of that, 50 or so years on, we should be able to recognise that Sure That Was Kind Of A Shitty Thing To Do, but theres a difference between recognising and critiquing something, and then actually passing judgement on an individual and Taking Sides, which often leads us to trying to justify Everything one person did while critiquing the other to excess. And real judgement seems fairly pointless to me in the case between George and Paul, because I think at the end of the day, they both just did Shitty Things to one another—but try being friends with someone for 15+ years without that happening. Im not saying that it means we should ignore aspect to their relationship or that it makes it licit, but I suppose what seems to be of more importance to me is that I think they both eventually tried change an adapt for one another.
I see what you mean as well when it comes to a public and private divide with humour; there are jokes you’d make in front of your closest friends/family, but wouldn’t make in front of other people. In this specific case though (with the “Paul has no good songs of his own” comment), I honestly just think this was Something Funny that came to Georges mind in the moment, and he wasn’t taking into the wider contexts, i.e music critics. And while I don’t want to Project or anything, just speaking from my own perspective I can say that irl Im the type of person who will say just about anything that comes to mind for me in the moment if I think its funny—and I get that impression from George too. I just feel like me and (probably) George are the types who just like to joke a lot, and are always looking to make other people laugh (as well as ourselves)—which kind of leads me to believe that when George makes a joke like “Paul has no good songs of his own left”, I think his expectation is that Paul is in on the joke, rather then just the butt of the joke. I guess thats really up for your own interpretation though (and as aforementioned, I think there were jokes in other periods of their lives where I wouldn’t feel this really rings true).
I think as well, George must have known the music industry well enough by this point to be aware that sure, there were music critics and people sitting at home watching who genuinely would have Thought That. But again, if we’re speaking about intentions, I don’t get the impression that this was it, because as I mentioned before, I don’t feel like there was even any real intention behind the joke; I really just think it was a funny thing that came to mind for him; whether that makes it okay or not is up for debate (and to be honest, its your call really). Lowkey as well, I actually kind of think the people who Actually Believe Paul had no good songs of his own left (and so was Practically Forced to use some of Johns 😩) are really the butt of the joke? Like it rubs of as very dry, sarcastic commentary on those types of critics to me.
I guess also if you look at most British comedians, a lot of humour relies on deprecating other people—especially on things like panel shows. Again thats obviously a different situation to the one George was in, but I think the general point is that when you have a very dry and sardonic sense of humour, you’re very prone to mocking other people, and that can be malicious—but at the same time, for a lot of people it really is just their way of telling jokes, and no Actual Offence is intended.
But to return to the original point, I do hear what you’re saying in that ‘he has also said bad stuff about publicly in a non-joking way’, and I don’t really disagree. But what I was thinking with my response to that post specifically was like, there are genuinely mean things he said to Paul that I think are very-much worth discussing, but this imo just isn’t one of them? Like the way Im seeing other people respond [and this goes out to both the Staunch Paul Defendants AND the people saying “George was telling the truth!!” btw] just feels like an overreaction to me. So yeah—obviously I have no idea who you are anon, but tbh, I think if you wanted to get a discussion going about Georges treatment of Paul, theres a lot of room for that and Id be interested to read it! I just don’t feel that the joke we’re discussing here today greatly exemplifies your overarching point.
But thats just my thoughts on this :) and tbh, I think I feel especially defensive of George in this specific instance just because Im Well Aware that his joke is the exact sort of thing I would say to people irl. Maybe its just a Sibling Thing, if you see what I mean—I think if you have a big family, everyones always trying to get the last laugh in also feel like this is an Irish Catholic Family thing but maybe thats a talk for another day lol.
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To celebrate thirty years of Piratey Zombie-Monkey goodness, I was looking to make a video showcasing the impact the series has had on you - the fans of the series. It may have been over a decade since the last game appeared, but the love for the series certainly hasn't died. Maybe Ron no longer has access to the series, but that's no reason we can't give a resounding thank you to him for three decades filled with our lovable Mighty Pirate, Guybrush Threepwood.
So how can you get involved? Simple!
I'm just looking for a short clip of you voicing your love for Monkey Island. What exactly are we looking for? Well, if you could answer the following questions, that would be a great step - don't worry about answering them all, although the more the merrier, eh? Some of the things you could talk about are:
• What was your first Monkey Island game?
• What is your favourite Monkey Island game?
• Who is your favourite Monkey Island character?
• What is your favourite island in Monkey Island?
• What is your favourite Swordfighting Insult?
• What would you give to see Monkey Island continued?
• What do you think is the Secret of Monkey Island?
• Anything else Monkey Island related you want to say.
I'm still trying to gauge the best way to receive all of these videos, although my YouTube e-mail is
[email protected]. If you want to send me a video, clip or your message to be read out, you can send it there. If there are concerns of size, then I typically use websites such as WeTransfer to help transfer videos. This allows you to send larger files to this e-mail. You can also attach your name, alias or even YouTuber name and I'll be happy to add that in too. You don't need to if you don't want to, however.
If you would rather not send a video, then I can certainly also accept a voice clip. Likewise, if you would rather not have a voice clip or that might present difficulty, you can also send me a message and I'm happy to read it out for you. Here's a little things I would need you to keep in mind:
• No foul language. LucasArts games have often been family friendly, and I'd rather this not be an exception. If you do swear, I might need to omit your submission, or at the very least censor the swear word out.
• I'd need you to send your message in English. I adore each and every one of you who come from all parts of the world, but to make sure everything is kept appropriate, I'll need you to send a message in English - I'm just not quite multilingual yet, so I would need to ask that you do this.
• Try and keep things positive. We're here to celebrate the Monkey Island series and its contribution to video games over the past 30 years. Let's try and keep this a happy video.
• Please don't send extremely long videos. I already mentioned about the size of videos, but as much as I can talk about Monkey Island for hours at the time, I'd rather not have to sift through hours of content about why Monkey Island 3 didn't meet your expectations plot wise.I'd ask that you perhaps keep it between 30 seconds and 1 minute. 2 minutes would be the maximum preference, based on the number of people looking to get involved.
We're also interested in including some of the media that you lovely fans have made. This will include fan-art and fan music, such as covers of some of the most iconic Monkey Island themes, or even remixes (from yourself please. We want to make sure we have full permission). It may also be fun to include some YouTubers who have discussed the series.
If you have any suggestions or want to help, please also let me know. If you know someone else who might be interested in participating, the more the merrier.
Let's make this a big happy video to wish a resounding Happy Birthday to one of the finest point and click adventures to grace the seven seas.
Thanks,
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TEXT: charlie ⇄ raquel
Charlie: good morning, babe. how was your night?
Raquel: Morning baby. It was good. Just wish I would have woken up next to you.
Charlie: i wish it too, but that would be too suspicious
Charlie: are you alone or is he there with you? just curious
Raquel: True or I could just make sure to still be stealthy.
Raquel: You actually think I'd go home with him after him being that drunk? No he's not with me.
Charlie: i would be worried if you did. he was really wasted last night, so i'm glad you're okay
Charlie: so, what are you doing now?
Raquel: In the words of a great disney icon I'm a big tough girl. I tie my own sandals and everything.
Raquel: I was going to shower and then look at emails my agent sent me. What are your plans for the day?
Charlie: nice
Charlie: i wish i was in that shower with you, but we'd waste water, am i right?
Charlie: so far, i will make myself some coffee and keep reading this business book
Raquel: You could always come over and shower with me.
Raquel: YOU'RE READING A BUSINESS BOOK? How is it? Is it hard to read? Can I help?
Raquel: Have I mentioned how happy and proud of you I am lately?
Charlie: i'm tempted, i'm really tempted to go there
Charlie: why are you surprised?! not really, this one is easy to read. plus, i have internet
Charlie: you haven't, and same goes to you. you haven't given up and you're still trying, and i'm sure something will come up for you soon
Raquel: well actually now that i know you're reading and that it's no too dense you should stay home. I can always send you something when you tell me you've finished a chapter just to motivate you.
Raquel: well maybe not surprise but just excited that you are.
Raquel: Then I should definitely say it more often because I really am. I'm not supposed to give up. This is the part where me being stubborn actually comes in handy.
Charlie: oh really? because i'm almost done with this chapter, babe. it seems like i'm getting my motivation reward soon
Charlie: i'm excited about this too. it's ambitious, but i can't wait to get this going on and open a bar. my own bar.
Charlie: i know you won't, one of your best traits is the perseverance. you'll get something soon, i believe in you
Raquel: Really? Well I sure hope you actually are reading and not just skimming the pages.
Raquel: It is a little ambitious with licensing and more people needing to be involved but it's something that you can do and if you're letting me help then we can definitely do it together. I just can't wait until my man has his bar with his name on it and other people get to see just how smart you are.
Raquel: Thanks babe.
Charlie: i swear i'm actually reading them, i'm not a cheater
Charlie: true, but it's worth the damn. i'm pretty sure it'll be rewarding once it's up and ready. of course, you can help and this will be our thing, babe. i can't wait for it.
Charlie: i'm so proud of you, you know that?
Raquel: right. I know you aren't.
Raquel: I didn't know if this would be our thing or just me being the supportive woman behind you. I would be okay with either. I just don't want you to think that this isn't yours.
Raquel: I've hardly done anything yet, but I still really appreciate it. You know you're the only one in my life that actually believes in me and I don't think you know just how much that actually means to me.
Charlie: i didn't mean that, sorry
Charlie: i like both options, i would be okay with either of them. you being supportive of me on this means a lot.
Charlie: not even nathan? how is that possible?
Raquel: no, it's okay. I might as well get used to hearing it. I did cheat and there's no reason why you should censor your words.
Raquel: I'm always going to support you. No matter what. You're the person I want to spend the rest of my life with so supporting you is supporting us and our relationship.
Raquel: Don't do that. I mean it. You're my biggest and only supporter. Nathan probably likes the idea of having a girlfriend that's an actress more than actually supporting one. He's good for my career and he has shown me a few things about the world, but that doesn't mean he is supportive or that I feel like I can lean on him. He's a mistake.
Charlie: still, i should have used another expression. all i wanted to say is that i'm following the rules and doing an exhaustive reading of this
Charlie: i like having a supporter. i like all of that.
Charlie: still, that's something an asshole does. i can't believe he doesn't do that, although i like the idea of being your only fan and supporter. well, the first of many, i hope
Raquel: Babe you don't have to treat me with kid gloves just because you used the word cheater. I knew what you meant. I'm fine.
Raquel: well now you're stuck with one so you better get used to it.
Raquel: He's not an asshole I just think we both didn't really know what we wanted. I do now. Hopefully. i don't want to be one of those celebrities with just a few fans. I'd be like the Paris Hilton of actresses and no one wants that.
Charlie: okay
Charlie: being each other's supporters is so good, and one of the best parts is that it brings benefits
Charlie: i really hope he's not one. nah, you'll have more than a few, you deserve them and it's not the fanclub president talking right now
Raquel: Benefits you say? I just might think that's the best part. Not that that's the only reason to be supportive.
Raquel: He isn't but it doesn't matter. Eventually he'll make someone happy and what we had was good. I think it's the fan club president and the whole being my man thing that is talking but that doesn't take away from any of it.
Charlie: not the only reason but it's a very attractive one, yes. like i'm the only one who gets to fuck you, or the one who gets to get nudes from you, for example
Charlie: yeah, you're right. it doesn't matter. well, no matter who's talking, i'm proud of you and you deserve success
Raquel: Is that a hint? You're the only one i want to fuck me.
Raquel: http://68.media.tumblr.com/dcc484e9f8edbc6b5f841327d881d116/tumblr_inline_o54tpvLQQw1tph66c_500.jpg
Raquel: Keep reading.
Raquel: My success means noting if you're not successful with me.
Charlie: damn
Charlie: yes ma'am, i've just started another chapter
Charlie: you'd be successful anyways but that's a nice thought you have
Raquel: you're welcome.
Raquel: good boy. You could always be rewarded with a lot more than pics.
Raquel: Babe if I want a life with you. A future I don't want us both to be happy and successful. If not his is going to get hard. I don't want to wake up one day and realize that I've lost you because we've outgrown each other. I want us to grow together and build a life together. I said before that I didn't see a future for us and now I just want a future. That's all I want for us.
Charlie: oh yes? what do you have in mind for me, babe?
Charlie: i don't want that either. i'd feel empty if we parted ways after all this time, i don't know. i can't imagine a future where you're not in it, even if i ended up opening this.
Raquel: I could always come to you. You can show me everything you learned and jot figures on my clit with your tongue.
Raquel: I think that's the most romantic thing you've ever said to me. I can't picture anything without you so there isn't ever going to be an empty feeling.
Charlie: as long as you sit on my face, babe. i feel like having you ride my face today, i don't know why
Charlie: besides, you could totally blow me and help me with this boner i have from seeing your pic. i'm almost naked already
Charlie: i don't know when i started to say romantic shit but that's the truth. i'm glad you see it that way.
Raquel: can this be an every day mood because I think I could be okay with that.
Raquel: I plan on taking care of that. Good to know I can still turn you on.
Raquel: Hey, I like the romantic stuff. At least I'm not the only one being Nacho around here.
Charlie: you're not the only one who'd be okay about that, so
Charlie: good girl. it seems like i'm going from just wearing underwear and reading with a cup of coffee to completely naked as soon as you get here
Charlie: hey, i'm not cheesy. i'm hot and badass, with an special emphasis on hot
Raquel: so I can get my throne every day
Raquel: you just described the best day ever. And deprived me of seeing you read without a shirt so you're definitely going to have to pay for that one.
Raquel: so are you saying you can't be all of the above?
Charlie: you can sit in your throne whenever you want, babe
Charlie: oh really? what are you going to do to me?
Charlie: well, i feel most identified with 'hot' and 'badass' than with 'cheesy'
Raquel: well you can't say whenever because then I'll never want you to stop going down on me.
Raquel: I'm planning on kissing you from head to toe. Kissing the tip of your cock before blowing you so hard that you're going to want to cum inside my mouth. But before you can, I'm going to lay you down and ride you until I cum all over your cock.
Raquel: you can be all three and add in sexy and intelligent.
Charlie: oh, don't stop on my account. you know i love having your pussy on my face
Charlie: is that your idea of a punishment? because i can get behind that. as long as you let me cum too
Charlie: can we say you're the cheesy one and i'm the badass in this?
Raquel: and i love fucking your tongue almost as much as I love fucking your cock.
Raquel: sure is. I didn't mention letting you cum...
Raquel: I can be the badass. I'm totally a badass with a great ass.
Charlie: wasn't that the whole point of this? i read, i get informed of how a business works, you reward me for that
Charlie: we can be badass together, but you're the cheesy one on this
Raquel: Or I led you to believe that that's what the whole point of this was. It could have just been punishment all along for reading while I wasn't there to watch.
Raquel: I still don't accept it completely but I guess if we're together that's all that matters. And I'm aware that that was cheesy. Still doesn't prove your point.
Charlie: you're meaner than you let everyone think, babe. then there's no point on eating you out, unless i can make it up for it somehow
Charlie: true, it doesn't matter who's what in this. let's leave it at, well, we are hot and awesome. and very sexy.
Raquel: I'm absolutely evil, but you just said something about always wanting to go down on me so you can't take that back. You're locked in.
Raquel: I can agree to that one. Now let your sexy and hot girlfriend try to drive.
Charlie: i didn't know you could be that evil, babe. mmm, is there anything else i can do so you can let me cum
Charlie: good, my hot and sexy girlfriend can drive and she better arrive soon
Raquel: I can be even more evil. That was me being nice. I don't know. How about you try to give me some ideas.
Raquel: Your girlfriend will be there soon.
Charlie: nah, i really want to get laid, so no, no ideas for you
Charlie: be here soon, i finished a second chapter today and i want my reward
Raquel: well the ideas could actually help with you getting laid. Don't act like you don't have any.
Charlie: well, come up with any and tell me. or better, show me.
Raquel: hmmm you could always try fucking my ass seeing if that can make you cum. Bending me over and fucking me, or maybe even just putting me face down on your bed and having me take every bit of you. If not you can just try things and see what will make you feel better. I guess i can let you cum so long as you cum inside me.
Charlie: i miss fucking your ass
Charlie: don't get that shower babe, because a fuckfest is happening as soon as you get here. i hope you don't have anything to do later
Raquel: well you should have said it and it would have happened a lot sooner.
Raquel: guess I'll just have to shower with you later. Nope I have no errands and Nathan is on a boys trip out of town for the next three days and when he gets back we'll be over so it doesn't even mater.
Charlie: it seems like we're going to have three days to make up for the little time we had yesterday. except when we have to work, but three days are three days.
Charlie: we can do plenty of things in three days
Raquel: oh so you just want to monopolize my three days?
Raquel: I never said I was going to give you all three days. You'd probably break me before then.
Charlie: well, at least two of them.
Charlie: nah, i'm kidding
Charlie: i wasn't just talking about having sex like rabbits, but that's tempting
Raquel: I can deal with all three I was kidding. I'll be yours every day any day.
Raquel: as tempting as it is I think even we have to take a break sometimes. Speaking of breaks just know that you'll be doing all of the food breaks and going out to get us food.
Charlie: good, because we're having so much fun at my place. or yours, wherever you want
Charlie: why does it have to me be all the time, babe? can't we just take turns or something?
Raquel: i always like your place more than mine. I don't know why. It just feels more like home than mine does.
Raquel: Im going to pull the non feminist card and say that the man is supposed to do the "hunting" even if it is just going to go get our food.
Charlie: cheesy but nice. we both know you like my bed so much
Charlie: but think about this: you can go get food and find me reading and naked in bed, which is exactly what you missed earlier
Raquel: it's not just your bed but sure that is part of it.
Raquel: I thought about it and the whole point is to not miss any part of the reading not just come back to it so hard pass.
Charlie: unless we order food, i'll have to get up and cook something or go get take out food, so i wouldn't be reading then
Raquel: you going out to get our take out can be counted as your mental break. See I thought that one through.
Charlie: fuck, you really did
Charlie: well, i guess i'm in charge of the food, but what are you going to do for me instead?
Raquel: obviously I'm in charge of the mind blowing sex, back massages, random conversations and making you happy. Besides every time you go out you get to come back home to me which I think is always a bonus
Charlie: sounds like i'm in charge of the food, good sex and giving you sexy views then. sounds like a deal
Raquel: well good because that's the only deal you're getting 😜
Charlie: we'll see about that. now get your hot ass here so i can fuck you already
Raquel: Patience. It's a virtue you clearly don't have.
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