#Does Sam explain?
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sastielsfandom ¡ 7 months ago
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I love the idea that Dean wants Sam to agree that Cas is like another brother. The third Winchester brother and Sam is immediately like no. Dean is offended because wtf Sam he's laid his life down for us. While Sam is trying to actively get it through Dean's mind that there is already another brother which Dean waves off. And also it's cool that Dean sees Cas as a brother figure he just doesn't have that type of relationship with Cas. Which is the wrong thing to say apparently. Because well why aren't the two closer? What does it take for Sam to consider someone a brother huh? Does only blood count is that why he considers Adam a brother and not Cas? Meanwhile Sam is just sitting there thinking of all the reasons it would be very concerning if he saw Cas as a brother figure.
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s0fter-sin ¡ 5 months ago
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one of my favourite aspects of supernatural that you very rarely see in paranormal shows is that sam and dean are already versed in the world they live in. there’s no sudden discovery of ghosts and demons and now they have to learn about them along with the audience; they are born into it and already know all about it. it allows the audience to follow their personal story instead of also trying to figure out this new world and its rules
the first season is full of knowledge we never see them learn; “w*ndigoes are in the minnesota woods or- or northern michigan. i’ve never even heard of one this far west.” […] “great. well then this [his gun] is useless.” (1x02), “you don’t break a curse. you get the hell out of its way.” (1x08), d: “it’s a god. a pagan god, anyway.” […] “the annual cycle of its killings? and the fact that the victims are always a man and a woman. like some kind of fertility right.” […] s: “the last meal. given to sacrificial victims. d: “yeah, i’m thinking a ritual sacrifice to appease some pagan god.” (1x11)
almost every episode in the first season is a monster they’ve faced before that they then explain to the audience in a way that should feel patronising; like it’s the same speech given over and over again but instead, the audience almost feels included in the knowledge. it’s stated with such an innate confidence and comfort in said knowledge that it feels like we already knew it too; “spirits and demons don't have to unlock doors. if they want inside, they just go through the walls.” […] “the claws, the speed that it moves; could be a skinwalker, maybe a black dog.” (1x02), “it's biblical numerology. you know noah's ark, it rained for forty days. the number means death.” (1x04), “no no no, not the reaper, a reaper. there's reaper lore in pretty much every culture on earth, it goes by 100 different names.” […] “you said it yourself that the clock stopped, right? reapers stop time. and you can only see 'em when they're coming at you which is why i could see it and you couldn't.” (1x12)
they already know and, at least in the first season, already have what they need to kill whatever they’re hunting; already know to salt and burn bones for spirits, fire for a w*ndigo, exorcisms for demons, a silver bullet to the heart for shapeshifters. there’s only three times in the entire first season that they run into something new to them; 1x14 when sam gets his first vision that leads him to another psychic, 1x16 when dean calls caleb for help on the sigil he put together and he tells him about daevas, and 1x20 when they find out vampires are real- and they only don’t know that bc john thought they were hunted to extinction and not worth mentioning
(there’s also technically two half instances if you count one of them knowing something the other doesn’t - sam figuring out the tulpa in 1x17 and dean already knowing about the shtriga in 1x18 - but those still rely on sam and dean having prior knowledge)
even when they’re uncertain about facing something, it’s not bc they don’t know what it is; it’s precisely bc they know what it is and acknowledge that it’ll be a difficult hunt (“i don't know, man. this isn't our normal gig. i mean, demons, they don't want anything, just death and destruction for its own sake. this is big. and i wish dad was here.” 1x04)
so much of the tension in paranormal shows typically comes from the main character(s) not knowing what is happening to them/the people around them and having to find out how to resolve it. supernatural is unique in that it operates more like a police procedural. the tension comes from solving the clues and identifying patterns to figure out who (what) the killer is and intercepting before they can take another victim
it’s such a different tone to go for when compared to other shows that came both before, during, and after its run. it sets sam and dean on even footing with each other since they both have the same knowledge going in, and it puts them in a place of authority usually reserved for an outside character
the shows i compare spn to most is charmed, buffy and teen wolf; every main character in those shows are brought into the paranormal world knowing nothing, putting them on the same level as the audience, and they have their mc interact with others already knowledgeable about that world in order to overcome their problem/monster of the week. the audience organically learns about this new world as the characters learn about it. it’s a sound writing strategy that prevents “as we already know���-style exposition but something that complicates it is if your world building isn’t unique or intriguing enough, this slow introduction can become boring
we’ve seen shows like these before; sitting through the same tropes of characters learning to use their powers, struggling with no longer feeling normal/relating to the regular world around them, and not knowing how much they can trust the people already involved in this new world gets repetitive. all three shows eventually reach the same level of comfort with their new world that spn starts with but if the characters aren’t enough to draw you in, you can end up dropping it before they reach that point (and often, before the overarching plot can really kick in and evolve the show beyond the villain of the week format)
it’s the superhero origin movie in tv format; dragged out and overplayed. dropping the audience into an established world of course comes with its own problems but you also have the benefit of pre-existing established character dynamics that let the audience slot in like they’ve always been there instead of just getting to know all the characters while the characters also get to know each other
sam and dean already knowing about the supernatural lets the audience immediately get to the core of the story; the conflict between sam and dean, the search for their father, and the mystery of what killed their mother
#i could go on forever theres literally so many examples#dean figuring the ‘two dark doubles’ is a shapeshifter sam figuring out the changing ghost is a tulpa#also peak how many of these examples come from dean despite them pushing so hard for sam to be the one knowing hunting theory#this format is why i cant stand watching the first season of charmed despite loving it so much#i just cant be bothered watching them have the same struggle ive seen a hundred times play out again#different genre but sons of anarchy does this well too; all the characters are already in the club life and already have inner conflict#spn having such a natural introduction makes me so glad they didnt go with the original plan of sam not knowing about hunting#that wouldve been Painful#watching spn so young has really shaped my view of media bc i legit cant stand things with a learning curve#give me an established world damnit#lord of the rings never stops to explain what a dwarf is! you just go with it! and it rules!#dean is just as theoretical and lore savvy as sam and id go as far to say he actually knows more#instead of trying to do this bullshit brains v brawn divide they shouldve done new tech vs analogue#sams laptop is famous and he also knows how to hack thing where the second dean doesnt know something he defaults to books#have dean be the one where if its written down he can find it almost like a proto bobby#they even kind of support that by him being the one to find the phoenix in s6 when they go through all their books#but this was 2005 and characters could only be so conplex and theyd already decided dean needed to be the hot one and sams the nerd one#side note how many of these metas am i going to write on this rewatch? tbd#side side note included all the quotes and episode numbers makes me feel so academic#coming out of my cage and ive been doing just fine.txt#carry on my wayward son#talk meta to me#meta#supernatural meta#spn#supernatural#dean winchester#sam winchester#save post
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lambmotifz ¡ 7 months ago
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sam’s demonic blood being framed as a symbol of impurity. dean’s madonna/whore complex and his adoration of “sammy” as the image of the ideal little brother(wife). sam getting the whore treatment during the demon blood addiction era
sam is very much female coded and the show couldn’t be more unsubtle about it
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lucabyte ¡ 1 year ago
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Courtesy of @samhainian: The gang goes on hot ones
Bonus:
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mean to them
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autistme ¡ 4 days ago
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[SAM ENTERS THE SCENE, FAGGILY]
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lordgeneralsix ¡ 1 month ago
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reddit dudes proudly saying they leave sam bc the silver is more important and they don't care about some dude they just met bc he's not actually henry's brother kind of makes me sad bc my god people really are that stupid and they're not kidding huh
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hughesapalooza ¡ 2 months ago
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new london knights video just dropped !!
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sammygender ¡ 8 months ago
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im just thinking abt like. sam (almost) never hits back. only under extreme duress. and i really can't imagine him lashing out at partners either, maybe yelling but never physical. and trying to understand why, like does he actually think he's better than dean by not punching? does he seek therapy at stanford? does he just think he deserves it and feels like he's at the bottom of the totem pole everywhere he goes?
literally makes me feel sick. idk i have a Thing for a teenage sam who is like totally opposed to violence (despite being forced on hunts and into sparring and training and loading guns all the time). there’s that throwaway joke about his idol being gandhi and there’s the fact that obviously sam doesnt Want any of this, this being Hunting and the constant violence that comes with, so i can just see this thing developing where for a brief period hes like sooo holier than thou about it i am better than you and dad cause i read books and i dont solve my problems by hitting things (which tbh he is so right about! <3) but obviously its just his way of coping with the violence that hes been entrenched in since he was six months old. and this is like literally just inside my head. but in my head its true. that was kind of unrelated actually but also not really
and so yeah i think. idk. violence is sooo normal to sam and dean. i think sam doesnt Want to hit back cause its counterproductive and unnecessary and he prefers to talk things through, like that’s just not how he deals with things, what use is hitting back going to do? like then they’d just get into a physical fight. which i dont think he wants. but also 100% even if not consciously i think sam believes he deserves it or at least that its Okay when it happens to him. he literally doesnt even question it. especially like… after s4. i think he tends to just accept deans treatment cause hes got this belief deep down that he’ll always deserve it, and also even if dean isn’t always right he always somehow ends up being right, and….. so awful.
also i do actually think sam went to therapy at stanford but thats just cause i find it fun to think about. like what did he say…. how do you even word the trauma of that upbringing. not sure if he actually took any valuable lessons from it or benefitted from it post short-term.
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violetpurpleviolet ¡ 5 months ago
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Supernatural, Season 7, Episode 12
Time after Time after Time
“I hope you’re watching cartoon smut , because reading Dick Roman crap over and over again is just self punishment” - Sam
“It’s called anime , and it’s an art form” - Dean
hard to believe that Sam wouldn’t know that cartoons smut is called anime.. (ik it’s a joke).
“You gonna look more anime or are you strictly into Dick now” - Sam
1944? Eliot Ness (Had to look him up because i’m not American) Apparently he took down Al Capone (Who I know)
I like that Jody is there for them.
OMG, DEAN LOOKS SO FINE. Did Eliot just whistle at him? Woah. Understandable.
Wait this lady in the past? Does she.. have some relation with Bobby? Shes just like him? Idk maybe i’m reaching.
Woah carving Sam into the woodwork… good job.
“I rode him to 1944” Bwahahahaah
This reminded me of like the OG trickster episode
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19catsncounting ¡ 4 months ago
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Admittedly, I don’t know very much at all about the Vietnam War, active military, and I’m particularly bad with math. But I Don’t Think I Understand John Winchester’s Military Service And Timeline. (If you do Please Help)
US military involvement with Vietnam ends on March 29th, 1973, the same year that the events of ‘In The Beginning’ takes place. John Winchester is born in April of 1954, he is a month shy of being 19 at the end of the war. The Winchesters apparently clarified that John illegally enlisted while underage, which I can buy up to a point. But military contracts are 4/6/8 year contracts. Additionally, I believe the line in the Winchesters says that he forged his father’s signature specifically, meaning he enlisted with parental approval, which only 17 year olds could do. (He also had a fiance at this time…)
If John is a free man in 1973 after, at best, a four year contract, then a 15 year old John Winchester fooled an admittedly desperate military apparatus and spent his high school years not just in Vietnam, but also at least briefly as a POW. (It did happen, at least one 15 year old was killed in action and five 16 year olds were as well.)
Now, Dean Winchester is born in 1979, so it is understandable that John has to be able to meet Mary before that point. John also has to have at least a 12 month tour in Vietnam, so being deployed at the latest in 1972.
But I’m not sure that John and Mary really need six years of not doing much between the events of In The Beginning and Dean’s birth? Is it just so Mary making the demon deal to save John when she can’t save either of her parents can be a twisted parallel to the biblical ‘leave the house of your parents and cleave unto your husband’ notion of commitment?
As I understand canon, John is born in 1954, at the start of the Vietnam war, Henry Winchester goes missing in 1958, John forges documentation to enlist at 15 in 1969, serves a 4 year contract and is a 19 year old war vet who spent time as a POW buying his first car in ‘In the Beginning.’ And his girlfriend, Mary Winchester, survives her parents being brutally murdered in a single night, and then we check in five years later and John’s a mechanic and Mary is pregnant.
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sastielsfandom ¡ 1 year ago
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Okay, this vibe:
I know you would love me if I asked you to, but I can never ask that of you. I'll love from afar where I can never force you to love me.
Sastiel, both believing this, especially Cas.
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cupcakewebkinz ¡ 10 days ago
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ananke-xiii ¡ 9 months ago
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S9E1 Castiel being freshly human, not understanding a thing of what's going on, fully aware that a.lot. of angels would very much like to kill him just.because meets a random angel on the street (Hael) and he's like: LET'S GO SEE THE GRAND CANYON TOGETHER, WOO-HOOO!
#do you understand what i mean?#i haven't really explained anything. just describing#but im looking fir people who understand my vision based on vibes alone#castiel#character of all time#spn s9#supernatural#spn angels#that frigging angel. im not gonna say he's the cause for heaven's eventual demise because angels do have a penchant for killing each others#but i love how he would not hesitate to kill his siblings and still asking/wanting to be one of them#and it's not a contradiction because: angels.but it does show how his connection to the heavenly host is not just about grace#when in s15 he tells dean that he and sam have each other. well. that line is fucking sad#because cas' family is the ultimate “family is hell” dysfunctional family#and i'm not 100% sure he's able to heal this trauma before he dies if i'm gonna be honest#like. who broke the connection? yes and no. more like: is the connection really broken?#cause it doesn't look like it. there's still a sort of spark of hope in castiel when it comes to angels#like he KNOWS there's nothing for him there but he still feels a tiny bit of longing that never goes away#it's heartbreaking really#i really wish the show had developed the “my grace is fading. dean” storyline#it came from nowhere and went to nowhere. it was just there to signal castiel's final self-actualization#but i mean did he really? mmmmmmh not sure about that#first and onlt thing we know is that he went back to heaven and reorganized the place. I MEAN. COME ON.#the relationship between that angel and heaven keeps me awake at night. i love it.#spn s9 is complicated
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90sbee ¡ 1 year ago
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one thing you gotta know about me: if you put a tragic beefy blond dude in any sort of media i consume i will simply lose my mind btw. now i have to defend them forever and call them my babies for eternity. i am collecting these men.... conducting my research on why they own my ass like this.
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sampilled ¡ 6 months ago
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Destiel fic with background psychic kids poly send post
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podcasts-in-space ¡ 1 year ago
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sam is so pookie in this new ep, actual blorbo behaviour
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