#Filgo

[4thstar]

This local (argentinian) brand released a line of alcohol-based markers and they're so cheap I bought all 72 of them lol

I did this quick thing to try some out; they're pretty good, very pigmented, but not great for working on very small details; that's why like the hand got messed up for example. Really wanting more pale/soft/light colors, too.

Also turns out this phone doesn't have a great camera and the colors look all off ;w; She looks SO YELLOW ToT

[those70scomics]

Hi hi hi!

So, since you watched the show as it was airing I wanted to ask if Hyde and Jackie were always intended to become a ship and if they were, how do you know? Also, how do you know the original intention was for them to get engaged at the end of season 7, before it was renewed? (Outside from the obvious) I'm so curious

Hi! 😊

I'll start with how I know what I know. The T7S message board at Fan Forum was created very shortly after T7S began airing. When I became co-moderator of the board (less than ten years ago? Around ten?), I read every single post. Including those that were lost in what was called "the purge" by using the Internet Wayback Machine when Fan Forum was called Forum 4 Fans. These are the earliest posts one can find about the show.

This effort took me weeks. I read tens upon tens of thousands of posts and T7S / T7S fandom history. Followed links to defunct T7S fansites (again, the Internet Wayback Machine). This includes reading articles and transcripts of interviews with the cast, producers, writers, and showrunners. Press releases. News about cast negotiations.

Within these posts and fansites are people who went to tapings and wrote thorough reports. People who spoke to producers at tapings. People who (were) connected to people who worked on the show. Wilmer Valderrama posted himself in the board and interacted with fans. Remember, this forum existed before Twitter/X, before Facebook, before Tumblr. These forums were where social media started.

This was also the time of Myspace, and some of the cast posted there, too, which was reported on the message board.

As I found all the info through my research, I posted it in fresh threads on the message board. Facts stick in my head. Once I know it, I remember it.

Anyway, there's the how.

Jackie and Hyde weren't always intended to endgame. The Filgos were writers on the show a few years before they were chosen as showrunners. During Jackie and Hyde's season 2-3 arc, the Filgos became enamored of the chemistry between the characters.

When the Filgos were chosen some time during season 4 to be the showrunners moving ahead (season 5 through the original end of the show, season 7), they asked the current showrunners to break up Jackie and Kelso by the end of season 4 because they wanted to pair Jackie and Hyde in season 5.

In the second half of season 4, one can see the change in Jackie and Kelso's relationship. It grows more and more toxic, a turn from their previous growth away from their original toxicity. It's written in stages rather than a sudden shift, so it's grounded in story and character.

From season 5, Jackie and Hyde were intended to be endgame. During the press for season 7 before it aired, the cast made clear this was the final season.

The Filgos were contracted through season 7. They got their next job since T7S was ending. Topher was moving on to his movie career fully. Episode scripts were written. Shows were filmed and began to air

Then Fox decides to renew the show (safer to continue a popular series than to risk $$$ on a new show). But the Filgos already had a new job lined up. They couldn't break that contract. They hoped whoever was hired after them would follow through on their vision for the show and reasonably expected the new showrunners to respect the past seven years of character and relationship development.

But the showrunners hired were a) probably cheaper to pay because this was their first showrunning gig and b) presented their vision for season 8, which was to "bring it back to the humor and feel of season 1" -- the only season they liked, clearly, but didn't watch very carefully or with any depth of understanding.

W.V. also had in his contract changes for his character, including him ending up with one of the principal female characters. It wasn't going to be Donna, obviously, so that left Jackie. Not a problem for the S8 showrunners who hated J/H and, very evidently, Jackie as a character.

So instead of following through on the storyline the Filgos left them (i.e. reconcile fan-favorite couple Jackie and Hyde for good) to ease them into the role, they destroyed Jackie and Hyde's relationship because [partially direct quotation, partially close paraphrase from a magazine interview published before season 8 aired], "We never understood it. We never liked it. We think it was a mistake for the show to pair them romantically, so we're returning them to their season 1 dynamic. They were originally antagonists, and they should have stayed that way. That's where the humor is."

Fortunately, frustratingly, and sadly, someone connected to the show revealed Jackie's endgame from the original series finale, the original season 7 finale: Hyde proposes to Jackie, and they get engaged. Their season 7 arc is built around this endgame. Despite the script revisions and rewrites made when season 8 was greenlit, their original endgame remains evident throughout the second half of season 7.

Hyde tells Eric peacefully and happily (for Hyde) that he's decided [to marry Jackie]. Jackie would have actually left for Chicago, leaving Hyde the note he reads shortly after his decision. Kelso was not involved. But the rewrite, I believe, changed Jackie to having pretended to leave. It's messy writing, but it sets up that Kelso must now drive Jackie to Chicago. He's in her motel room, etc.

Side note: Jackie and Hyde, pre-S8 being greenlit, were not going to reconcile two-thirds into the season. They were going to remain broken up but pining for each other. Then Jackie gets the job offer in Chicago and reveals that she (still) loves Hyde and would give up the career opportunity to marry him. She gives him the midnight ultimatum, which she doesn't honor by leaving Point Place before then. Hyde, of course, is angry and devastated since he'd decided to marry her (after sobering up from his beer warehouse binge-drinking).

After Eric tells Hyde Jackie makes him happy and Leo tells him Hyde loves Jackie (aka Loud Girl), Hyde decides to put aside his pride and propose.

The original scripts likely have Jackie go to Chicago before the deadline she set for the ultimatum. Hyde is naturally upset and angry because he'd decided within her deadline to propose, but she deprived him of the chance after forcing the choice.

Hyde's conversation with Eric and Donna about his feelings (in Hyde's way) was probably in the original script. Donna calls out Hyde, realizing he was going to propose. Later, Eric tells Hyde he recognizes that Hyde became happy once he and Jackie got together.

All of the above is easily discernable. The following is conjecture based on the facts, foreshadowing, the Filgos' intended endgame for Jackie and Hyde, and my education and experience as a writer.

These conversations lead Hyde to break out of his misery and go to Chicago (with a ring) and follow-through with the proposal -- a huge character moment for him. He's going to fight for Jackie even if she ultimately rejects him (a parallel to "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You" in season 5, where Jackie professes her love and doesn't care if Hyde says it back).

Hyde would have knocked on Jackie's motel door. She would've been shocked and asked Hyde what he's doing there. He would have entered and gotten on one knee. The audience would have squealed. Hyde would have proposed in a way true to himself -- not sentimentally but touching nonetheless.

She'd be in shock. "I can't believe you came to Chicago ... "

Hyde says his knee is starting to hurt, so she better make up her mind before he's forced to stand up.

Jackie: "Yes! Steven, yes, I'll marry you!"

Hyde blows out a heavy breath in all kinds of relief, stands up, and puts the ring on Jackie's finger. Jackie and Hyde kiss and embrace. Then Jackie examines the ring and is surprised he didn't go on the cheap like Eric.

Hyde: "Yeah, well, I asked W.B. for help."

Jackie: "But you hate hand-outs!"

Hyde: "It's not a hand-out! It's a loan. I'm gonna pay him back."

Jackie stares at Hyde lovingly.

Hyde: "What?"

Jackie: "This is our first fight as fiancés!"

Hyde laughs quietly then kisses Jackie again.

Fade out.

Other scenes to finish off the series, including the reveal to Jackie and Hyde's friends and family about their engagement.

[frociaggina97]

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[thestupidhelmet]

Is there anyone who was involved in the original show (writers, director, or show runners) that have ever answered questions about Jackie and Hyde? Like were they planned from the beginning? Why don’t they mention their first kiss and Jackie’s obsession while they are dating? And why they never talk about their sex life?

The Filgos worked on T7S before becoming showrunners in season 5. They had a fondness for the Jackie/Hyde relationship as depicted in seasons 2 and 3, so when they were told / accepted the job as showrunners for season 5 during season 4's production, they likely asked for Jackie and Kelso to be broken up by the end of S4 so that they could put Jackie and Hyde together in S5.

That ask would have begun the deterioration of Jackie and Kelso's relationship in S4.

Unfortunately, T7S is lousy with it's own continuity -- both with having characters not acknowledge past events on the show and by retconning or flat-out ignoring long-established character development in favor of a momentary gag or plot point.

This disjointedness makes the T7S universe less cohesive. On Star Trek: Voyager, for instance, Tom Paris would tease his best friend, Harry, throughout the seven seasons about Harry's ... eccentric and often failed romantic dalliances. Tom kept track and never let Harry forget them. This is but a minor specific detail among many large and small ones that the characters remember and acknowledge and make decisions based on in later seasons from earlier seasons. That consistency is what creates a cohesive fictional universe and doesn't break what's called in writing the fictional dream of a story or novel.

As for Jackie and Hyde's sex life, the characters are very private about it. Maybe, partly, because Donna and Eric freaked when they first caught J/H kissing. Maybe, also partly, Jackie and Kelso were public about their sex life, Eric talked about his and Donna's a lot, and neither Jackie nor Hyde wanted their friends in their business to protect it.

T7S does have Jackie acknowledge, though, in S7 that she and Hyde have sex. Kitty says it's time for her (Kitty) to tell Hyde about the birds and the bees, and Jackie says somewhat giddily that Hyde already knows. But upon seeing Kitty's expression, Jackie backtracks.

Except for the Filgos at some point, no one from the show talked about J/H in any significant, positive ways during the show's original airing except for the actors.

Now, it's Retconned Memory Lane for several reasons, but one is that the people who wrote T7S don't or didn't care about J/H (or any of the show's characters) the way fans do. It's a shame -- on its own and because other shows have / had creators, producers, showrunners, writers, directors, and actors who very much care(d) about fidelity to character and not destroying a character for an OOC plot or episode.

[thatseventiesbitch]

Welcome back to another installment of That '70s Show original script analysis! This week we'll be looking at the season two finale, S2xE26 "Moon Over Point Place". There are not a ton of changes, but there are a few cut moments for the Zennies 🥰 (the episode was written by the Filgos, after all).

The first piece of cut dialogue is between Donna and Kelso in the first scene, after Donna calls out Jackie's burn of Kelso.

Next we have this whole missing scene (!!) between Eric, Donna, and Timmy. It immediately follows their scene at The Hub, where Timmy starts chanting "Hey everybody - Donna showed her ass!"

Timmy asks Donna to sign her butt picture in the year book, and Donna does - with a funny quip. But Eric doesn't see the humor in it and is feeling sorry for himself. He makes his "This is the worst ______ ever" joke, which is apparently a Charlie Brown reference

Then we have a small but I think significant and interesting change: in the scene where Jackie approaches Hyde later in the Hub, she originally called him Hyde but in the episode that aired called him Steven. 👀

There's some stage direction that is cut from the episode at the end of that scene. Notice the interaction Hyde and Timmy were supposed to have. Hyde was supposed to bully him, essentially, and steal his food.

So - Timmy had a larger role in the overall episode before certain parts were cut. That's important later...

Eric and Donna's dialogue in their final scene on the driveway is slightly different at the end. Eric insists that he "loves the nudity" and Donna calls him "Prudalicious" 😂🤣

In the next scene, there's a very interesting line change for Jackie.

In the original script she says she got the bag of pot by stealing it from her dad's stash. In the episode that ultimately aired, she said she bought it from her housekeeper. 👀

Hyde's explanation to the cop is different in the script, too. In the actual episode, all he said was "What are you doing man? The bag is mine. C'mon - cheerleader, dirtbag..." In the script, he still encourages the cop to compare he and Jackie, but uses different reasoning.

And after the cop walks Hyde away, Jackie has this cut line 🥺. It was supposed to be a fairly emotional moment.

And then we have this cut line from Laurie in the final moment, when Hyde calls Red from jail.

Finally - remember their classmate, Timmy? His participation in the final "booty shake" circle during the credits makes more sense with the full context of the original episode. He played a bigger role initially, and had more substantive interactions with both Donna and Hyde. (This might seem obvious, but I remember arguing quite a bit with the friend I originally watched That '70s Show with when we first saw this episode! We couldn't agree about who the extra butt was. 😂 Mystery solved. It's definitely Timmy.)

That's a wrap on S2xE26! Thanks for reading with me, your host, @thatseventiesbitch and stay tuned for more 😘

Other Scripts I've Posted:

S2xE20 "Kiss of Death" S2xE22 "Jackie Moves On" S5xE21 "Trampled Under Foot" S7xE8 "Angie"

[puppygirlfearshakes]

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[444names]

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[thestupidhelmet]

I really like your assessment here, and I have thoughts to add. ☺️

While the showrunners and writers in seasons 1 ("Prom Night" [1x19] specifically) and 2 clearly purposefully overhauled Hyde's character(ization), just how deeply they stayed aware of -- or cared about -- these changes isn't evident.

Character development and consistency got chucked for a punchline or plot too often for all the main characters.

Sometimes, though, what the writers had a character do for a laugh, or how the director blocked a scene, ended up being unintentionally characterizing in a canon, positive way (lots of seemingly incidental Jackie/Hyde interactions in season 4, for example).

T7S isn't a show that was created with a unified, consistent vision or purpose (except to be funny and make money). Show-running duties changed hands throughout the run, and those of us who are Zennies are lucky the equally Zennie Filgos ran the show during S5-S7 (despite the atrociously OOC manipulation of Hyde at the end of S5 to create a summer cliffhanger).

The general audience is also lucky, I believe, that for half the series (not necessarily chronologically) plot and humor were allowed to arise organically through characterization. We got a lot of subtext and layers, intentional or otherwise, and an emotionally satisfying show.

Hyde being a consistently thoughtful gift-giver is, imo, a lovely accident. The plots of "The Best Christmas Ever," "Kitty's Birthday (That's Today?!)" and "Whole Lotta Love" required that Hyde give thoughtful gifts. Because the writers understood well enough the character so many people had a hand in creating, they believed giving those kind of gifts fit within the scope of Hyde's canon behaviors. They didn't necessarily have a character bible for him where this detail is written down.

Many fanfic writers love paying attention to specific details (big and small) and consciously building their character arcs with those details in mind. Unfortunately, many of us also do this moreso than professional TV writers.

That being said, TV shows past and present have had showrunners and writers who very much care about character consistency and development. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is a prime example. The showrunner has stated many times that he wanted the episodes and show as a whole to be about revealing character and dynamics between characters. If a script didn't do that, he made sure it did in rewrites.

Frustratingly, because of his boss, the showrunner (and an actor) was ordered to stop exploring a certain queer-coded character and relationship after a few seasons (this boss did the same to Star Trek: The Next Generation. The creator of the show and Star Trek as a whole, however wanted to have queer couples in the background of TNG to show that in the future, homophobia was eradicated. This was in '86 and '87, and he was ahead of his time -- in this regard, regressive in others, always -- and too sick to fight against the homophobia rampant in the other executives).

That '70s Show had to bring in audiences for ratings for commercials in order to make money money. It originally aired close to the time when series creators and networks began to realize audiences enjoy character consistency and emotionally satisfying arcs that also have a lot of humor.

The Office, Parks and Recreation, Abbott Elementary, What We Do in the Shadows, Ghosts -- these are all funny shows with creators, showrunners, and writers who remain with the series throughout their runs (or have so far), and each series puts character first and trusts conflict, plot, and humor will stem from prioritizing character. So far, so good (and hilariously insane where WWDITS is concerned).

I had a thought about your tags in the post about Hyde's gift giving but didn't have the writer brain-space to turn it into a longer character analysis post. However, without having any of the BTS details like script notes or writers testimonies, I have to disagree that Hyde being a thoughtful gift-giver would be an accidental character note. He highly values being noticed and provided for, coming from a background where he was overlooked, left, and made to fend for himself. Trying to avoid my very personal bias for the character himself, I also just feel that from the effort made to paint him as the Pigpen-type character from the start of the show, it's something they would have planned to add in- having him be unusually perceptive and/or emotionally mature as an unexpected juxtaposition to his neglected rough-and-tumble persona Not to assert that anything beyond the first season of T7S was planned out in such a mastermind way, but I just have to disagree that Hyde's gift giving is an accidental thing that fell into his character instead of deeply reflecting many things that are core to why he's the character we have

Hi! I’m so glad you shared your thoughts with me! I love talking about this kind of stuff.

I can understand why my tags from this post that you are referring to may make it seem like I don’t think any of Hyde’s complex characterization was intentional by the show runners/writers of T7S. I tend to use the tags not only for organizational purposes, but for ‘throw away’ comments as well - the kind of things I wouldn’t want to ‘permanently’ include in the body of the post for the very reason that the comment is usually a bit tangential to the main purpose of the post. But tags are not the greatest place to fully-flesh out a character analysis, which can maybe cause some confusion.

And so that is why I appreciate you sending this ask because it gives me a chance to clarify the actual meaning behind that tag here in this post:

First - putting my own personal bias for the character aside as well, I completely agree with you that Hyde’s perceptiveness and emotional maturity absolutely juxtaposes nicely with his neglected rough-and-tumble persona (I love these words for describing Hyde btw; it’s so spot on). It makes for a well-rounded, complex, and engaging character, as opposed to the two-dimensional stereotyped ‘burnout’ he is on the surface.

I’m not saying that I think that some of these aspects of Hyde’s character/persona was not intentional by the minds behind the character (show-runners, writers, etc.), but I just tend to believe that it’s the fans of the show, particularly those of us involved in fandom and fanfic, that are primarily responsible for fleshing out these more nuanced aspects of Hyde’s character and persona. Not to be overtly cynical, but I think that there are minds here in the T7S fandom that have given significantly more objective thought and consideration to Hyde’s character than the show runners did.

But like you said, without having been in the writer’s room, there’s really no way to know exactly how much of Hyde’s complex characterization was intentional. I could very easily be wrong. If Hyde’s personal and thoughtful gift-giving was planned out and intentional, then kudos to the the show runners/writers because Steven Hyde is hands down one of the most interesting and complex characters I’ve encountered in media, especially considering that T7S is a sitcom.

And I have to give the writers/show runners some credit - after all, That ‘70s Show is my favorite TV show. But my passion for the show has been made considerably more enjoyable and enriching by the minds in the fandom.

TLDR; I’m of the mind that the show runners/writers planted the seeds, but it was the fandom that nurtured and grew those seeds into a garden that continues to flourish 25 years later.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

[josephinev6]

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[frociaggina97]

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[thestupidhelmet]

If the original writers had stuck around for the eighth season and we'd gotten a Jackie/Hyde endgame possibly ending with their wedding, do you think the writers of the reboot would have destroyed that in favor of pairing Jackie with Kelso the way they broke up Jackie and Fez? Or do you think there's a chance their endgame would have been preserved? For some reason, I feel like J/H shippers would have been screwed no matter what due to real life stuff.

Many of the original writers stayed, and some of them wrote great J/H episodes before season 8. The show runners changed from the J/H-loving Filgos to the J/H hating duo who took the job afterward.

If season 7 hadn't been decided to be last season and originally written as the end of the show, the Filgos likely would've stuck around to finish out the series (if it was just one more season). As far as everyone on T7S was concerned, S7 was it, and people started looking for new gigs, including the Filgos.

The writers take story direction from he showrunners. If the Filgos had stayed for S8, they would've had to deal with Eric's absence and Kelso's mostly absence. I'd like to believe they would've made sure both characters were still part of the show even if offscreen.

Jackie and Hyde would've been engaged (as in the originally-written S7/series finale). A lot of humor could've been derived from that. Red/Kitty and Jackie/Hyde likely would've had a lot of stories together, comparing and contrasting a long-married couple to a newly-engaged one (which isn't the direction taken during E/D's engagement arc).

W.B. would've been utilized more, hopefully with his character (and relationship with Hyde) fleshed out instead of just punchlines.

Fez would grieve over Kelso, a storyline of its own. He and Donna could bond over their mutual losses. At some point, Fez might misinterpret his new friendship-closeness as romantic, and Donna would have to shut him down. She's still in love with Eric, and she's waiting for him. Ez would think about this a moment and say, "And I will wait for Kelso, too."

Donna: But Kelso's not coming back. He's living with Brooke and their baby in Chicago.

Fez: Then I will go to him.

Donna: And do what?

Fez (emotional): Tell him I love him!

Donna: Okay, when you say *love* ...

Fez: Love, woman! Can't one man love another man in this country without everyone else being weird about it?!

Donna: I suppose father and sons, brothers --

Fez: And best friends. Now good day.

Donna: Fez, we're in my house.

Fez: I said good day!

Out of this we get an episode where Fez visits Kelso in Chicago. Unfortunately the actress who played Brooke didn't love being on the show, but maybe she'd do one guest spot like she did in S7.

What I would love is if Fez runs into Rhonda in Chicago, and the second half of season 8 for Fez is about them reconciling.

Jackie and Donna s storylines have a lot of potential, too. Jackie might say she understands what Donna's going through with having a long-distance relationship.

Donna: Oh? Do tell.

Jackie: Steven has to go to Milwaukee every few weeks for work. That's, like, an hour away, and sometimes he's there the whole weekend to spend time with family.

Donna: Jackie, Eric is across the ocean on another continent. I get letters from him twice a week. I haven't heard his voice in months. Hyde going to Milwaukee for a weekend doesn't compare -- and you go with him for a lot of the overnights.

Jackie: Well, fine. If you don't want my sympathy, you don't have to have it.

Donna and Jackie reconcile sooner than later, though, and Jackie helps Donna come up with the best care package for Eric ever, which Kitty gets nosy about. She tries to slip in a few items her own, and Red catches her. This leads to their story in that episode.

We also have Bob, whom might not have planned to move to Florida but started to date another woman, played by a famous actress (as T7S is wont to do). Maybe someone totally inappropriate for him or insane, which gives him a story arc with all the main characters who have to deal with this new presence and her weird effect on Bob. Not a Caroline/Fez rehash, though.

All in all, I hope the Filgos would feel free to let humor and plot rise organically from characterization. No more alcoholism for Kitty and no put-upon cliche TV husband for Red. R/K would get their due with their characters, evolving as the circumstances around them have changed (e.g., no Eric, J/H engaged, an ever-present Fez and Donna, etc.)

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Absolutely disagree here. JH were originally supposed to be endgame at the end of season 7 (the end of the show, originally, with Hyde proposing to Jackie), but season 8 was then greenlit. The season 8 showrunners didn't like JH together, and probably preferred JK together (given the random proposal ep, and the showrunners stating they wanted to return things to the dynamics of season 1), but Wilmer's alleged demands forced them to put JF together (coupled with Ashton's guest role). And so Kelso moved to Chicago to be closer to Betsy and Brooke.

Furthermore, JH were merely broken up in season 7 twice for the following reasons:

1. Breakup 1. The need for more drama, minus tearing everyone away from the basement (which they didn't want to do, and the characters suffered as a result). So the same plot points were rehashed. A similar thing happened in season 6, with Donna withholding sex from Eric.

2. Breakup 2. The need for a cliffhanger, to give to the season 8 showrunners to resolve. The Filgos (the showrunners from seasons 5-7) wrongly assumed that said showrunners would put them back together.

Unlike some others, I do think Jackie could regress back to Kelso under significant stress. But T9S doesn't give them enough time to do that. Kelso is in Chicago, and Jackie is with Fez (no matter how briefly). Couple that with Jay not being fifteen (which would be a huge stretch), but sixteen, and they deliberately retconned half of the show. So, Jay is a clear replacement for Betsy, imo.

To me, Leia's shaky conception date is to the caliber of T7S's wonky timeline. Jay goes above and beyond that. Since the show had a very clear end date, January 1, 1980, sixteen year old Jay (shown driving on multiple occasions, he's clearly older than Leia, and he seems to be around the same age as Nate) can't even remotely exist within these confines. And the fact that the focus is on Leia's conception date, by comparison, is truly baffling.

Thus, considering Jay's incredibly impossible existence in tandem with the original show, T9S is a universe where JH were never together, simply (also, consider that Hyde seems to have been largely removed from the equation). It's a clear AU to me, since it makes no logistical sense, although others are entitled to believe otherwise.

Beyond the Polyester: Writing That '70s Show feature

This was a feature from the original series DVD's. I believe this one was on the season 7 set.

The only really interesting insight comes from Executive Producer Rob Des Hotel, who says at 4:27, "Basically once a relationship had run its course, we just tried to find something new to do with the characters. We tried to play the reality of every relationship until it had run dry. There was a formula that worked. The characters had to keep moving forward. But as far as I know - I know we never sort of kowtowed to any audience demands."

This statement seems to be about Jackie/Hyde - its played over clips of their final break-up at the end of season 7 - and indicates that the writing team/executive producers knew the Jackie/Hyde relationship was popular amongst the fans but they didn't care - and didn't think it was true to the characters for them to remain together.

I don't think I've ever been part of a fandom where there was such a stark contrast between fans' character interpretations and showrunners'/producers' before, though I'm sure there are others. What a frustrating & strange thing, honestly. Especially given what happened to Jackie's character evolution in the end. 😩 As always, viva la fan fiction!

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