#Grimm Fairy Tales

[enchantedbook]

'The King of the Golden Mountain', Grimm's Fairytales illustrated by Arthur Rackham, 1909

[diamondsandtoads]

Do you love fairy tales? I want to hear from you!

EDIT: I will be closing the survey on November 9th! Thank you everyone who has participated!!!

My name is Ainjel Stephens and I am a PhD candidate in the Folklore department at Memorial University of Newfoundland. I am currently conducting a research project on fairy tales reception by queer-identifying individuals for my PhD dissertation under the supervision of Sarah Gordon. The purpose of this study is to learn how people who feel queer or identify as queer think about and respond to fairy tales.

Artist: Gustave Dore

If this sounds like a project you would be interested in participating in, then I invite you to take a short survey where you will be asked a few questions about who you are, as well as reflective questions about your thoughts and feelings on fairy tales, and if these tales are “queer.” It should only take about 10 minutes of your time to complete.

The survey asks if you would like to participate further with an interview with myself in order to discuss your thoughts and opinions on fairy tales. This interview will be a recorded hour-long interview through video conferencing platform Tauria or Webex. If you select yes, I will be in contact with you with further steps. If you select no, then that’s it! Thank you for participating.

To participate, you must be the age of majority and no younger than 19, have fairy tale knowledge in English, and identify with the term “queer.”

If you are interested, click the link below to participate in the anonymous survey.

If you have questions or want to chat further, you can contact me at alstephens@mun.ca or through my inbox on my project blog, www.diamondsandtoads.tumblr.com/

If you know anyone who may be interested in participating in this study, please send this post along.

Thank you for reading!

The proposal for this research has been reviewed by the Interdisciplinary Committee on Ethics in Human Research and found to be in compliance with Memorial University’s ethics policy. If you have ethical concerns about the research, such as your rights as a participant, you may contact the Chairperson of the ICEHR at icehr.chair@mun.ca or by telephone at 709-864-2861

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I thought I’d try my hand at fixing-up the Grimm Fairy Tales: 2023 May the 4th Cosplay Special cover up a little. I did my best, but it’s still a little awkward (I also have no clue what her facial expression in the original is supposed to be indicating).

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submitted by @trans-corvo

definitely a major improvement!

[chaotictoon]

Fairy Tale: Snow White

[kabishkat19]

The Grimm Legends Pt.3

The new generation of Grimm Legends…

[illustratus]

Snow White by Walter Zweigle

[toacody]

Bionicle MOC: Little Red Riding Hau

You all should know the quote by now!

Source

Creator: Plague-Doc-Matteo

[creative-creatures]

Once Upon A Dream...

The boy who slumbers in snow awaits his future freedom... but who will ever love the one the queen guards with her life?

Snow isn't easily thawed after all.

Without Ice!

Proof!

Here is some information on the AU if you are curious: "Once Upon A Time..."

Less detailed but here are the characters mentioned from the AU: Characters

[adarkrainbow]

Do you know about Ludwig Bechstein? Well you should.

But do not worry: if you never heard of his name until now, it is perfectly normal. In a similar way to madame d'Aulnoy in France, Ludwig Bechstein was one of the great names and influential sources of the fairytale in Germany, but fell into complete obscurity due to being overshadowed in modern days by a contemporary (Charles Perrault for madame d'Aulnoy, the brothers Grimm for Bechstein).

Ludwig Bechstein was, just like the brothers Grimm, a German collector of fairytales (Märchen in German), and just like them he published an anthology of them. However, whereas the brothers Grimm started publishing their work in the early 1810s with re-editions later on, Bechstein published the first volume of his collection in 1845, and the second volume in 1856.

And here's the thing: Bechstein was MUCH, MUCH more well-known in Germany than the brothers Grimm, for the rest of the 19th century. While yes the brothers Grimm were a big success and a huge best-seller, Bechstein's fairytales were even more so. In fact his fairytales were THE de facto German fairytales of the 19th century - until the brothers Grimm's international celebrity (because their fairytales had crossed the Germanic frontiers into English and French-speaking countries, while Bechstein's had not) came back and made their own fairytales overshadow, and then completely eclipse/bury Bechstein's own fairytales.

Why is this important? Because Bechstein had in his collection several fairytales that overlapped with those of the Grimm: for example, as I will show above, both collections had an "Hansel and Gretel", and " Little Red Riding Hood". But while we know today the Grimm's version better, it was the Bechstein's version that the 19th century children knew about. And there is one big difference between the two sets of tales: while the brothers Grimm were obsessed with an "accuracy" of the stories (or what they believed was an "accuracy"), stitching stories together or writing them so as to create what felt like a traditional oral story as it would be told to you by a random German person, Bechstein allowed himself a more "literary approach". He never reached the level of an Andersen or a d'Aulnoy that would entirely rewrite a folk-tale into a long poetic epic... But he allowed himself to correct inaccuracies in the stories he collected, and to add personal details to make the story fit his tastes better, and to develop the dialogues into more than just nonsensical little rhymes, so while he kept short and simple stories like the Grimms, they definitively were more literary stories.

To give you two good examples of the differences, here are Bechstein's changes to the two stories I described above.

The main change within Little Red Riding Hood is Bechstein making the girl more intelligent and well-meaning than in the Grimms version, and the Wolf's deception even more devious. When the wolf tells the girl she could go pick up flowers and play outside of the path, like in the Grimm's tale, Bechstein's Riding Hood stops and asks roughly (not a quote I recap here): "Hey, mister Wolf, since you know so much about herbs and plants within this forest - do you know about any medicinal plant around, because if there is an herb that could heal my sick grandma, it would be super cool!". And the wolf jumps on the occassion, pretending he is a doctor - and he lists to her a whole set of flowers and herbs and berries she can pick up that would heal her grandmother... except all the plants he describes to her are poison, and the Wolf just mocks his intended victim. The joke also relies on the fact that all the plants he lists are named after wolves, with the beast convincing the girl it is because wolves are good and great things. (There's the wolf's-foot, the wolf's milk, the wolf's berries, the wolfswort - names which do correspond to real-like plants such as the spurge laurel or the aconit).

The ending is also slightly modified. The hunter is attracted to the grandma's house by hearing the unusually loud snoring of the wolf - he thinks something is wrong with the grand-mother, maybe she is dying, only to find the wolf in her place. He immediately grabs his rifle to kill it but then pause wondering "Hey, the little grandma is nowhere to be seen... and she was a scrawny woman... Better check if he did not eat her". And so he opens the wolf's belly (and the wolf is still asleep during all that, he really is a deep sleeper). When the humans decide to put stones in the wolf's belly, they explicitely reference in-universe the "Wolf and the seven goats" story, which gives them the idea. (Quite a fun and accurate detail since we know that the brothers Grimm attached the episode of the stone to the Little Red Riding Hood story by taking it from the "Wolf and the seven goats" one)

As for Hansel and Gretel, the witch is described differently from the Grimms (she is still a very, very old woman who has something wrong with her eyes, but she isn't red-eyed like the Grimm, rather she has "grass-green" rheumy eyes, and she has no cane or crutches, Bechstein rather insisting on her being a hunchback and havin a very, very large nose.) But the main difference occurs in the climax, which is very different from the Grimm.

The witch still tries to push Gretel in the oven, but she doesn't ask the girl to check if it is "hot enough". Rather she put bread in it to go with her Hansel-roast, and she asks the girl to check if the bread is brown yet. And Gretel is about to obey... when the snow-white bird that led them to the house reappears and warns her of an upcoming danger with human words. The girl immediately guesses the trick, and pushes the witch in the oven. Second big change: the "treasures" the children obtain are not the witch's, nor do they find it on their own. As they exit the house, the treasure literaly rains on them - because all the birds of the forest arrived and dropped the precious items on them while singing "For the crumbs of bread / Pearls an gems instead". As the children understand, the birds were grateful for what they believe was food offered to them (the bread crumbs) and reward the children with the treasure.

Oh yes and the mother (no stepmother here) doesn't die. Rather she and her husband are miserable in their house because they regret leaving their kids, so they are very happy when they return, and with the treasure they all are certain to never go hungry again. Happy end. (Because here the mother isn't a bad person like in the Grimm - she just really, REALLY was a desperate woman who didn't want to see her own children die before her eyes)

[thefugitivesaint]

George Scutaru, ''Basme populare engleze'', 1981 Source

[enchantedbook]

Little Brother & little Sister and Other Tales, Grimm's brothers illustrated by Arthur Rackham, 1917

[castilestateofmind]

"We don't know when fairy tales began or what their origin was, but they are especially prevalent among Indo-European speakers and in the cultures with which Indo-European came in contact on the steppes".

-Brian Hayden.

Arthur Rackham's illustration for The Old Woman in the Wood.

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Grimm Fairy Tales 2022 Horror Pinup Special

[a-bluedream-posts]

Sela - Grimm Fairy Tales vol2 #75E by JoshBurns

[kabishkat19]

The Grimm Legends Pt.4

The reoccurring characters…

[mothmans-wedding-photographer]

Do you guys want to see my mythology/cryptozoology book collection of course you do (specifically the non fiction ones, I also own like retellings and stuff, and i own The Illiad but i wasnt sure if it counted)

Complete list of books shown:

Greek and Roman Mythology by D.M. Field (I forgot I owned this tbh)

Treasury of Greek Mythology by Donna Jo Napoli

Mythology 75th Anniversary Illustrated Edition by Edith Hamilton

Halifax Haunts: Exploring the City's Spookiest Spaces by Steve Vernon

Haunted Harbours: Ghost Stories from Old Nova Scotia by Steve Vernon (I found both Steve Vernon books in the free library lol)

A Folk Tale Journey Through the Maritimes by Helen Creighton

Bluenose Ghosts by Helen Creighton (I dont even live in Halifax why do I have so many Halifax books sjsjdjej)

Cryptid Creatures: A Field Guide by Kelly Milner Halls

International Cryptids and Legends by Kenney W. Irish

Chasing American Monsters by Jason Offutt

A Canadian Bestiary by Todd H.C. Fischer

Twisted Tales: Greek Legends by Terry Deary

Norse Fairy and Folk Tales complied by James Shepherd

West African Folktales with general editor Jake Jackson

Legends and Lore: Ireland's Folk Tales by Michael Scott

Aztec Myths with general editor Jake Jackson

Dragons: Fearsome Monsters From Myth And Fiction by Gerrie McCall and Kieron Connolly (this book was literally my childhood I've had it since forever)

Mythical Monsters: The Scariest Creatures From Legends, Books and Movies with general editor Chris McNab

Grimm's Complete Fairy Tales by probably the Grimm Brothers but it's a fairly new edition so it doesn't credit them (fun fact I found this at a used stuff store for like 2$)

Black Dog Folklore by Mark Norman (I begged my parents for this for Christmas lol)

The Mythical Creatures Bible by Brenda Rosen

Tales of Ancient Egypt by Michael Rosen (I almost forgot this one that's by its in a picture by itself lmao)